In theory, a covert operation is supposed to be elegant, sophisticated and smart. But that is not the case with the United States these days. Ham-fisted and clumsy are more apt descriptors.
Yesterday’s simultaneous release of a new account of who destroyed the Nordstream pipeline in the New York Times, Die Zeit and a London paper placing the blame on shadowy pro-Ukrainians was not a coincidence. This was a coordinated information operation and the media reaction to this news is quite telling. The same news outlets that strenuously ignored Sy Hersh’s explosive, detailed revelation that it was a U.S. operation with help from Norway stumbled over themselves to breathlessly report that an unidentified pro-Ukrainian group was the guilty party.
Die Zeit provided the most hilarity with their fantastic tale of six people on a private yacht carrying out the deed. Looks to me like Die Zeit was channeling a Gilligan’s Island episode. We had Ginger and Mary Ann, accompanied by the Professor, the Skipper, Thurston Howell and Gilligan. They set to sea with a 1000 pounds of high explosive and used their snorkel gear to plant the charge. I bet you it was Ginger and Mary Ann who planted the bomb, of course, was built by the crafty Professor.
Take a look at Moon of Alabama’s detailed breakdown of the nonsense (read here).
No. You do not dive down to 80+ meter for an industrial size job, involving the placement of hundreds of pounds of explosives in eight individual charges on very sturdy pipelines, from a sparsely manned boat. Such deep dives require special gases, special breathing equipment, special training, a decompression chamber for emergencies and lots of well trained people to maintain all that stuff.
All three articles neglected to point out that you cannot dive in regular scuba gear to 200 feet in an arctic sea. You need a dry suit (as my friend Mark says, you look like the Stay Puft marshmallow man). That suit requires some specialized support equipment that does not fit on a yacht. This is a desperate, juvenile attempt to shift the blame from the United States. I cannot wait to see what happens when Sy drops a new story on Nordstream.
A competent intelligence service would have prepared a detailed story that was plausible and contained enough details to create doubt in the minds of those who accepted Sy’s account. Instead of releasing the same skimpy story in three different media outlets on the same day, the release should have been spread out over a few days or a week. This bungled attempt to shift the blame to Ukraine is just one more piece of evidence that America does not have a competent intelligence service.
Then there is the silliness about two Ukrainian pilots getting an introduction to the F-16.
Two Ukrainian pilots are currently at a military base in the US having their skills tested in flight simulators to see how much time they would need to learn to fly various US military aircraft, including F-16s.
A US military official told reporters traveling with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin to the Middle East that the Ukrainian pilots were in Tucson, Arizona, for “a familiarization event” that he described as a “routine activity as part of our military-to-military dialogue with Ukraine.”
The answer is pretty simple. If the Ukrainian pilots are already trained to fly a SU-25 jet fighter, they would need at least 70 days to become minimally proficient in the F-16. Taking off and landing is not complicated. The tricky part is learning how to do air-to-air intercepts, air-to-ground attacks and transitioning between the two.
Training two Ukrainian pilots is nothing more than a political gesture with no tactical significance. A fighter squadron, at least in the United States, has 20 aircraft. If the United States and Ukraine are serious about getting F-16s in the air in Ukraine they need to come up with at least 18 more pilots. Oh yeah, almost forgot. Someone has to pony up 20 F-16s and, if the U.S. can provide the planes, someone also has to recruit and train ground crews capable of handling and maintaining each plane. In short, this is not going to happen.
Gone are the days when the United States could stage a Gulf of Tonkin “attack” and convince most of the world that the North Vietnamese did something they did not do. Ukraine is the proverbial tar baby for the Biden Administration and Nuland, Sullivan and Blinken do not have a clue how to get unstuck.
Unfortunately Sullivan, Nuland and her underling Blinken are still attacking the tar baby. The have yet to realise they are getting more stuck with every blow.
Speaking of tar baby, here is the “getting stuck” from a Russian cartoon based on that story: https://youtu.be/v4uKWrquiAY
I can’t believe it took the Biden team so long to make up that stupid story.
Nasty but not the fizziest bottles in the fridge.
Mybe this story was cobbled up just in few days after Scholz visit to US there he could have raised conserns about Herhs story getting some traction inside Germany.
It didn’t. They spent the last few weeks convincing themselves that ignoring the Hersh article will make it go away.
They must have come into some knowledge that it isn’t going away (Hersh is about to publish some new stuff, perhaps?) and so they’ve had to scramble to get something – anything! – out in an attempt to get ahead of the news cycle.
And, let’s face it, there isn’t a lot of talent amongst that group, so this may be the best they could come up with amongst themselves when they are on the clock.
You are making the extremely common mistake of imagining that the puerile attempt to manufacture an alternative narrative is meant to be credible. It is not. Credibility has nothing to do with it; in fact credibility would be a significant drawback in what it is meant to be.
Which is, a loyalty test.
Remember the Skeipal hoax? How credible was that? Yet the faithful fell over themselves in their haste to swallow that fairy story. The same thing will happen here. The faithful need a line to tie themselves to; whether it makes sense or not is not just immaterial, the more nonsensical the better, because it will conpel the faithful to tie themselves even more tightly to it.
“Credibility” has nothing to do it. Credibility was part of the old narrative. Today, everything is allowed; everything is permitted.
After so many stories that make even Santa Claus look more plausible, I wonder how anyone can think that they care about appearing credible. But there’s a silver lining, indulging in intellectual laziness leads to loss of intellectual competence. You can have morons proving their fealty by gobbling the most inane bullsh*t but you can’t win a war against an even enemy with intellectual incompetence.
Good point! I thought the compliance with Covid passports was also a sorting exercise linked with surveillance.
Dark times indeed.
Agree re; loyalty test and a line to tie themselves to.
One simple example; remember that within 24 hours of the Russian invasion, everyone in the media was suddenly pronouncing it “keev” when previously it was good old “key-ev” – but Tucker Carlson, the rebel, never changed and calls it “Key-ev” to this very day.
Yes, excellent point. It makes perfect sense. Any schlub would believe a credible story, believing that 2+2=5 is a loyalty test. Just ask Winston.
as is believing virgins can give birth and that imaginary masters cab walk on water
it’s an old trick – testing for obedience-signalling the currency of cults
The stupid masks and non-vaccine + boosters are another example of the loyalty test.
I still see idiots wearing masks when walking outside or driving, alone, in their cars.
Or accepting – or least quietly not objecting – that a man in a dress is really a woman and can have babies…..we could go on all day about how Orwell pretty much nailed it.
Propaganda is the art of fooling your friends, not deceiving your enemies.
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false”
— William Casey (CIA Director, 1981-1987)
“Propaganda is the art of fooling your friends”
Its not an art, it is vector of self-destruction.
@tomo, (by the way I read some of your replies at MOA) this response here is as lame as your response there to derail the conversation. Please stay on topic and if you like to denigrate the Christian religion take it somewhere else.
People are not as smart anymore as they were back in the old days. Today’s school systems “produce” mostly clueless, not well educated and mostly gullible population.
Smart people are smart, because they educate themselves. Spending time doing something productive. Not being lazy but instead being curious about knowledge and the general understanding of “things” running. They often have very good observation skills that enable them to be even more curious and reflective about their social environment.
People nowadays have many distractions not to educate themselves, by being only consumers prepared to be entertained all the time. On the other hand with internet being everywhere and easy accessible, knowledge is even simpler to obtain then ever before.
In my opinion the powers to be don’t have to come up with some sophisticated stuff anymore. The “dumb” masses will take whatever they put in front of them. They simply lack the understanding and self-reflection to see through an obvious lie.
Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity. – Marshall McLuhan
As education is primarily preconditioning for propaganda, those most educated are most easily propagandized. – Jacques Ellul
In 1984, Smith was asked to count the number his torturer showed him. He then had to give the answer the torturer, Big Brother, wanted not what his eyes could see.
You show us that Big Brother is in action. It will reach the level of 1984 where simply thinking by yourself is a crime. He is only in the warming up.
US needs to send all the older F16s to Ukraine so Lockheed Martin Marriott can make F16V for US. I disagree with Johnson, you won’t have to worry about having to train ground crews or parts. Only for a short time will you have to worry about what was called MOG capability on airfields. 🙂
Minimum maintenance crews and training required. Just enough to get them in the air. As for the new pilots, enough training to get them into the air. They won’t need to learn how to land the plane – that’s already been taken care of.
The Lockheed F-16 assembly line is closed. It has been closed for so long that the company no longer provides maintenance support, e.g. manual updates etc., to those whom possess them. They do accomplish rebuilds but the airframe must be something that already is in service and inevitably has tens of thousands of hours on it. By the way acft model designations are not necessarily linear up-dates but indicate different “builds” for specific missions/customers/environments.
I think that the hope is to sluff off a lot of these old airframes so that those that donate them have no choice but to procure a lot of additional F-35’s, above and beyond initial orders, to replace them.
Nobody in DC wants the optics of footage of F-16 wreckage on Russian Telegram channels ending up on Twitter after a Russian R-37 missile blows it to pieces from 200 miles away. They say they want to send more advanced weapons (if a non-stealth fighter fielded in 1974 counts). But it could be bad for business.
They are lying to our face and daring us to say something. We are forced on more and more issues to deny the reality and accept the lie. This is destructive to our mental wellbeing. Which is exactly the intent…make it seem hopeless to fight back. Hopeless to fight to win elections, to fight criminal behavior on the part of our government…it is meant to make us give up.
Hi Black Knight!
You hit the sore spot dead nuts with this comment. For the last few weeks I’ve been gently prodding the readers of Larry’s blog, looking for someone who might have an optimistic outlook on the future of our American Republic. Sadly, no one seems to.
While some of us know the difference between reality & MSM propaganda, it does us no good to whisper in “quiet corners”, hoping our Overlords won’t find out what we’re thinking and saying. IMHO, if we wish to avoid the remedy of last resort, political violence, we will have to get off our asses and do the UNTHINKABLE- go to the precinct and county level party meetings, whether you’re D, R, or anything else, find those (if any) who are like-minded, count the votes, and then “Throw the Bums Out!” If there’s no way to replace the existing apparatchiks, start a new party with your likeminded fellows. This strategy seems to be working for us here in Florida, at least on the R side. As our Governor says, Florida is where Woke goes to die.
In any case, don’t let the Deep State suck the life out of you. Keep your wits about you. Laugh and keep living. Make sure your weapons are clean & ready, that you’ve got enough food and water in case the shit hits the fan. Then grab a beer and stop worrying. Otherwise you WILL end up in the loony-bin. Good Luck, Brother!
As someone who has been slogging away at it trying to change the system from within for decades, I think it is important to remember why we do this. It’s like picking up litter: your effort alone makes no impact, it’s too small. You do it for your own sense of purpose. It’s tempting to say “but if everyone did _blank_, _blank_ would happen”, but you are not “everyone”, you’re just you. So meaning has to come from within and you need to seek results on a small scale where you actually know your efforts did have impact.
It is destructive to their well being as well, and that of the country as a whole. This type of loyalty based double think was a feature (disease) of the decaying Soviet system, and if it cannot be cured, it will soon prove fatal to what remains of the American Republic. Furthermore, those trained to ignore “disinformation” (ie. reality) are unlikely to be able to succeed in morphing the dying Republic intact into their “built back better” slave state.
It might not have the desired effect tho … you can’t bully everyone everyday , one day , some will hit back hard enough for the bully to recount his teeth afterward… and that is the “nice” answer.
Excuse my french but the not so nice answer might involve “des aristocrates à la lanterne !” as they said 🙂
The really compelling part of the NS story will be released in the next few days.
It was the Ghost of Kiev, along with a bunch of heroes from Snake Island.
No, the Ghost of Kiev is one of the pilots being trained on F16s along with Grey Wolf.
/sarc
Oh, I thought he was the one that suddenly committed ‘suicide’ after starting to have pangs of conscience about his role up high near MH17 and causing Porkshanks to let out little nervous squeals.
Nah, it was the old man that shot down Su-35 with a shotgun. He went dynamite fishing, as usual, and threw one stick too many. Since he used explosives made by Dynamit Nobel AG, he is automatically eligible for Nobel Peace Prize.
The BEST comment ever!!! 😀
*super hilarious!!!*
What’s really revolting is the prospect of Americans swallowing the nonsense and then “seriously debating” its merits compared to Sy’s masterful truth-telling.
The average American hasn’t even got two Little Gray Cells left to rub together to keep each other warm.
Biden said Ukrainian Navy Seals did the job – despite Ukraine not having a Navy. You can’t make this stuff up. It’s like they’re trying to see how far out there they can go and still have the trained media seals (not Navy Seals) bark in tune.
No scruples nor any shame anywhere with these people.
technically, Ukraine does have a navy, but only just barely:
https://dossier.substack.com/p/biden-officials-claim-rogue-ukrainian
key passage:
“Ukraine, on the other hand, had a barely functioning Navy before the recent flare up with Russia. Moscow has since eliminated much of what was left of Ukraine’s naval capacity, through the capturing of Mariupol and other successful coastal campaigns. Ukraine has a grand total of zero aircraft carriers, zero submarines, and zero destroyers. The rest of its vessels are either decades old or have been damaged or eliminated by Russian forces.”
To think that they would even have a group called “Navy Seals” is of course just some sort of projection by the US. From publicly available information such as the above article, it looks like they may be bottled up in their remaining Black Sea ports. US geographical knowledge being what it is, it’s probable that the difference between Black and Baltic seas escapes most people (UK is not much better: remember when Liz Truss thought that the Baltic states were connected to the Black Sea?)
I posted before reading Bily’s fun joke below about Liz Truss directing the demolition Dolphin from the Black to the Baltic.
Ukraine can’t even lay a line of sea mines without half of them floating away and they want us to believe……..what?
Larry,
What about the successful coup on 1/6 ? Given the latest bombshell video releases, I was expecting a insightful article on the topic.
I’m not sure I can add anything to what Tucker has reported. Good Karma tonight. Senator McConnell fell and was taken to a hospital.
TNY and WP report that according to intelligence sources an agent, who would be in the pay of the Kremlin and would have ties to Putin’s 5th grade teacher would have been personally sent by Putin to make a trip up Senator McConnell.
The officers, who agreed to report under conditions of anonymity and who refused to reveal the nature of the possible evidence or how, when or where they obtained it; firmly assured that there would be some probability that there would possibly be indications that would lead one to suspect that it is possible to affirm with some degree of certainty that Putin didi it.
Isn’t this like the second time Senator McConnell has fallen? Senator McConnell is a Senate Minority Leader. Fell? Or pushed? Was he going to the hospital before, during or after he fell? Falling (or being pushed) can occur on several different levels. Or was McDonnell just another geriatric who fell and was forced into retirement.
Same thing happened to former Senator Harry Reid. Harry Reid was a Senate Majority Leader. On January 1, 2015, Reid suffered broken ribs and broken facial bones, and was at risk of permanent vision loss in his right eye. I remember thinking at the time: “Man, that’s a lot of damage for just falling.”
Maybe whomever keeps pushing Russian ‘oligarchs’ down a flight of stairs decided to give us a hand 😁
McCarthy, McConnell, McDaniel…. Anyone else see a pattern here? Maybe it would help if we changed things just slightly and somehow introduced a Macgregor into the mix…
McConnell fell? God blast him.
You can.
The pilot is just one component of operating an F-16. The numerous maintenance techs are highly skilled as well as the ordnance techs. I assume foreign NATO merc techs will do such work. But from where?
An F-16 is just one part of a combined military effort — air, sea, ground, and space. Ukraine has none of that. Hence the inevitable direct confrontation between the United States and Russia. The Ukraine has run out of bodies. Good thing World War 3 has already started. I was getting worried.
30 ground crew per F-16 I’ve seen reported in earlier Dutch stationings.
US forward operating base in Rzeszów, ahem excuse me I mean non-compromised and sovereign Poland? They don’t need to care about landing as others noted, since kamikaze F-16s would make great optics.
Well options are Netherlands, Denmark, Greece, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Romania……..
Since Turkey is third largest operator of these planes I doubt Russian radars lack radar signatures for them
You don’t need maintanace crew for suicide missions.
The government and media treats the population as idiots, sadly though in too many cases they are correct, many will believe whatever the media tells them. There again from a culture that now believes lopping off little boys penises is acceptable to satiate the minority transgender lobby there is little reason for hope for any great awakening.
Or a culture that believes an ugly, fat bureaucrat who wears a dress can or should become an admiral of some kind. Or that a gal who thinks there are countries named the People’s Republic of Russia and Canadia should be the mouthpiece of the chief executive. Or that dementia among public officials is not an issue we need be concerned about.
Many people think that this so-called trans movement is about the destruction of women. I have come to see it as the result of the 60s/70s femlib movement to make men more like women…that was one of their goals..and now we have children of those then children raised to see men as toxic…the final insult to men…dress like women…meanwhile, the actual women are becoming toxic with their power.
Garbage.
The only toxic woman was the one who raised a bleating insecure clueless woman blaming pussy like you.
I bet you beat your wife and your have a small dick that gets caught in your zipper alot and so wear elastic pants.
Dumbass.
“meanwhile, the actual women are becoming toxic with their power.”
Ticiba does have a point. Just look to females in high corporate positions and female prostiticians in particular for examples. Their behaviours and traits have nothing to do with the female psyche.
And their influence does trickle down to the impressionable.
Really. Give examples
For every Nuland there is a Hitler and Leopold or Idi Amin etc..
For every Theranos theranos there’s a Madoff.x 1mn.
On corporate level investment funds led by women out perform men and they do most child and parent care.
It’s not a competition insecure idiots. But there are some facts. One is women are better for the world than men. The second is it has been proven and any trained interogator knows this that men who most criticise women fall in one of 3 categories, violent to women (rape, abuse) paedophiles or masochists/mentally unstable/perverts.
The more you work in that field the more you know who the sick bastards are.
Got an idea which one you are in?
When I was in the military we were informed to expect War propaganda, disinformation and sabotage before the balloon goes up.
Back then I wondered how such operations would be explained to the public.
Now we know.
Even more surprising is how many people accept these infantile explanations from the government and media.
Nothing surprising there. People accept shit because they are afraid of sticking out.
“Gone are the days when the United States could stage a Gulf of Tonkin “attack” and convince most of the world that the North Vietnamese did something they did not do. ”
Actually, those days are still here. In fact “those days” never left. And these attacks are bolder than ever; more wanton and open than ever.
How long ago did the Nord Stream 1 and 2 attack(s); plural because it was not an attack upon just one pipeline, but four (4)?
Last year. September 26, 2022. Five (5) months ago.
And still the “Who Done It” part is being bandied around.
Somebody destroyed $20-Billion dollars of critical civilian infrastructure. Somebody committed the greatest act of terrorism in all of recorded history; an act of terrorism greater than 9/11. Somebody committed Acts of War upon Germany, Russia, and any other country connected to Nord Stream. Somebody destroyed an advanced First World economy (Germany’s).
And the only evidence we have, at this point incontrovertibly, is that whoever is responsible — the culprit, the perpetrator, the fiend, the terrorist — will never be known, and will most likely walk away free, and remain among us doing God knows what else.
It is surprising that no one even bothered to invent a cover story before today, which is yet another sign of “Biden’s” incompetence. It indicates that they didn’t actually care what we thought, all the propaganda about everything else notwithstanding. It’s as if they were saying – What are you going to do about it?- but suddenly lost their nerve. Now we see they still have enough respect for public opinion to lie to us about what happened. You don’t speak truth to power. You lie to power.
I think Biden very much wants the world to know what he did. That is part of his tough guy persona – he really is an in-your-face mean old asshole of a bully from what I’ve been told by people that know him. As far as the American people, same thing, but the media/government tosses out a silly story for anyone experiencing cognitive dissonance to fall back on (i.e. “hey, we’re supposed to be the good guys”). Nudge nudge wink wink it was a Ukrainian group.
Big time. Spot on. He made sure word got out. It was his Obama Bin Laden moment.
“You lie to power.”
That is one way, but a more productive option is to encourage power to believe itself by not doing anything- Mr. Johnson’s contention that seeing is believing, and the going in “The Soviet Union” and the to-ing to The Russian Federation during the 1990’s refers, since not doing does not preclude can doing, thereby encouraging those of a “can do” disposition in relation to the sound of silence:
Hello darkness my old friend
I’ve come to talk with you again.
without payment (bez platna) or unpleasant bending.
“he culprit, the perpetrator, the fiend, the terrorist — will never be known,”
Nonsense.
On the day after the Nordstream bombing I told my PT (who happens to be Norwegian) that the US had just bombed the pipelines that form the lifeline between Germany and their primary source of energy— an act of war. There hasn’t been a shred of evidence in the ensuing months that would prove me wrong.
Speaking of covert vs overt operations, take a gander at the overt operation of another Ukrainian successful gestapo conscription:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/5ZSLukIXCkHy/
How long before this 4th or 5th or whatever army implodes at the seams? Hmmm?
None of those wet nursed Kent State and ‘hell no, we won’t go’ protesters for Ukraine. They’d ALL have been shot on the spot.
I thought the folks at Kent State that died were shot because they wanted peace, not war? “Hell no, we won’t go” was said by millions when they realized the country was lying about everything and was sending them to be killed for nothing but profits. After that the army was made up of the most ignorant people the government could draft.
These folks were fighting against the nazi’s that want permanent war.
Well, Ukraine’s troops did that in Mariupol in 2014, didn’t they. Fact. Killed more than a few point blank in the square (not even protesting) just to keep the others from actually thinking of protesting their coup d’etat.
This is the scum we support. Just the thought makes me nauseous.
Just one small correction, the south Baltic Sea is not within the Arctic Circle, and therefore not Arctic. The Baltic is brackish and not that cold, especially in early autumn. But certainly a scuba wetsuit would not have cut it for this job.
It certainly is riddled with submarine detection sensors. At the bottom of the Baltic is the vast ordnance of poison gas shells and nerve agents from German stockpiles that the Allies sank there after 1945.
The huge eruption of the seabed by this act of war has no doubt disturbed these agents and polluted fish life and the waters themselves.
As for non-military types able to penetrate 18 inches of concrete to reach the pipeline itself – all this concern for divers at 80 metres depth seems to forget those pipes must withstand water pressure – both pressurised with gas – and de-pressurised without gas flow.
Since the US regime tells us non-state actors (NGO ?) with irregular crew blew up 4 major pipelines in waters patrolled heavily by NATO members – Denmark, Netherlands, Germany, Norway, Poland, UK…..and USA………it is time for Norway to be petrified that their extensive undersea revenue-streams to UK and Europe are not subject to similar idiosyncratic destruction
Dear John
Just one small correction.
Agreed/Agreed?
“the south Baltic Sea is not within the Arctic Circle” although some outflows are given currents from Jutland to Narvik being lateral.
But the currents South of Bornholm facilitate a significant chill factor even in early autumn partly as a function of depth and velocity.
So if you take the temperature with some littoral latitudes, it is higher than taking temperature in the flow according to the time of day and season.
Hence “certainly a scuba wetsuit would not have cut it for this job.” because if it was cut it would leak.
Thank you for your illustration of “The American Way” in regard to the sound of silence.
As a long time recreational diver, I’d like to correct a few things.
I’ve ice dived in a wet suit many times. While the first 30 seconds or so is a shock, a good 6-7mm (1/4″) suit warms up within a minute or two and one can easily stay down for extended periods.
Somewhat later I bought a dry suit which avoids the shock, but its primary advantage lay in the fact that you didn’t have to get out of it soaking wet in -20C air after you surfaced.
I don’t know what temperatures prevail at that depth in the Baltic Sea, but assuming they’re similar to say Tobermory, Georgian Bay below 100′ then good recreational gear is quite adequate as regards warmth.
What no normal recreational gear will do is allow extended dives at 250-300′. That takes special gases, special training, a strict decompression regime and specialized support, even for sight seeing. An extended working dive at those depths is something different again.
Then there’s the fact that there were two explosion sites, some 75km apart and at different depths. One at around 70M and the other apparently at around 110M. Working at 70M vs 110M are two different things, and why would they be separated by such a distance when spots where NS1 & NS2 lie quite close together are available?
My conclusion was that there were 2 separate teams/operations, using different techniques, equipment and protocols. It was also quite likely neither had knowledge of the other. As Hersh doesn’t seem to address these issues at all, I suspect that his source may have knowledge of only one of these operations and that the 2nd was done by some other group.
My conjecture is based on what I’ve been able to glean from the usual sources. If some of those are in fact wrong then my musings are misguided.
That “some other group” is probably the UK. Identified by Russia as a co-conspirator within the first week after the bombing.
That also points to Hersh’s primary source as British Navy which explains why he never mentions the UK.
If I write a comment as ridiculous as Jack Gordons Says’s comment yesterday can I please get as many replies. I’m feeling ignored : (
No.
Deal with it.
It’s “Jack Gordon’s Says…”
So after the Biden-Scholz summit we have German and American “intelligence” pursuing the same strategy with regards to Nord-Stream and the Hersh story. They have suddenly come up with various leads, and the whole MSM is atwitter with excitement at new leads, though nothing conclusive.
This is all BS, but there are some take-aways:
1. The whole MSM is still aboard, nobody is asking any questions, like how this all could have been blamed on Putin the past half year, all in consummate agreement that the canonical narrative must come from official investigations by anonymous intel assets. O, and they’re still talking about how vulnerable all this infrastructure is and how we have to shore it up against attacks by Russia/China, even if it’s the Americans that are doing it.
2. Scholz is in on the plot, but feels threatened by the narrative ungluing.
3. Rather than have NATO blown up by this act of war, Ukraine is getting thrown under the bus, the sacrificial lamb to “save” NATO, but also setting the stage to justify withdrawing the infinite support for Ukraine because they’ve shown themselves to be unworthy bad guys.
we have German and American “intelligence” pursuing the same strategy
You clearly have no idea that BND is a direct subsidiary of CIA and anyone not completely subservient to Washington is spying for Moscow…………..
BND was never a German Intelligence Operation – it even provided “Curved Ball” when Colin Powell needed a cutout to provide his “yellow cake” fantasy for the UN Security Council
BND is not even under control of German regime in Berlin
In all fairness the CIA is not under DC’s control either. They can be found in Israel and London though.
“placing the blame on shadowy pro-Ukrainians”
Earl Bassett : I vote for outer space. No way these are local boys.
The Czechs are pro-Ukrainian, aren’t they? My money is on a Czech deep sea diving team.
You overlooked the most fool proved evidence, that Ukrainians did it. The clever Germans “found” on board of the sailing boat……. ukrainian passports.
Must be a running gag of western services.
All I know is if they found traces of coke on that yacht’s table, no need to look further.
Joe Biden is on the record very publicly stating that he would end NS2 if Russia invaded Ukraine thus whoever actually got wet planting the 4 charges and detonating 3 of them has no doubt been resting assured that they were just enabling fulfillment of their Commander-in-Chief´s pledge with the added bonus 2 for the price of 1 by taking out NS1 as well (which Germans had every intention of using to keep BASF et al solvent). Germany would never have consented to destruction of both NS1 & 2.
1000 pounds of explosives would not rip up hundreds of meters of heavy pipe – it must be multiple thousands of kilograms and the only 2 dive ships in the area June-September 2022 capable of such weights & depths were USS Kearsargent and MI6´s Sir David Attenborough – most thoughtful folks would conclude it to be a joint US Navy-CIA-MI6 operation And the British need to get Russian blame off their backs somehow hence the use of career agency conduit Sy Hersh blaming Biden and now the Dems trying to save Biden with yesterday´s NYT nonsense
Is there any calculations on what is required to really blow the pipeline? The pipeline itself should be protected against the sea, and some form of protection against damage right?
So exactly what is required to take out the pipeline? Hersh has mentioned C4. But if you need a thousand pound of C4(450kg?) for example, it doesnt seem too practical for most ships to be carrying all those explosives, take turns diving down to plant these C4 bit by bit through manual labor. All these would also be really obvious to other members on the ship, which would give a much greater chance for people to whistleblow, which they will not risk. Not to mention if you are right that you need several thousands kilogram of explosives.
Could there also be possibility of certain robots that were used to lay these C4? Or are there alternative types of explosives that may destroy the pipeline more easily?
Note: from Baltops 2022, it seems they mentioned they “collected over 200 hours of undersea data”. So it may not be impossible for them to have spanned the planting over a period. But that should also mean roughly a quarter of the ship should know?
I can’t speak to the explosives needed, but I’ve seen submarine oil pipe. It’s almost 3/4” thick. NS was also encased in reinforced concrete and at least partially buried to protect against anchor drag.
“A competent intelligence service would have prepared a detailed story that was plausible and contained enough details to create doubt in the minds of those who accepted Sy’s account.”
If they wanted to.
“A competent intelligence service would have prepared a detailed story that was plausible and contained enough details to create doubt in the minds of those who accepted Sy’s account.”
If they wanted to.
“Ukraine is the proverbial tar baby for the Biden Administration and Nuland, Sullivan and Blinken do not have a clue how to get unstuck. “
That is useful, as in television cooking programmes’ dishes prepared earlier if
MacArthur’s Park is melting in the dark
All the sweet green icing flowing down
Someone left the cake out in the rain
I don’t think that I can take it
‘Cause it took so long to bake it
And I’ll never have that recipe again
(Oh no, oh no).
Working on special projects in a machine company, I was struck by a report in the German newspaper “Die Zeit” some five years ago about this special project from the manager of the company.
The report was pure fantasy. Nothing in this project worked, but the report claimed it was standard and put us ahead of the competition.
I was shocked as a sober working engineer.
Lessons learned:
1. Journalists are stupid.
2. Managers obviously don’t understand what really happens.
3. They don’t like you when you bring bad news.
4. The company still operates with a good margin, because the main business runs anyway. I am well paid despite of my open criticism. Money doesn’t matter obviously.
Is there a parallel to the government?
I fear yes. Presidents can be blind and stupid. But the state still works.
To me it looks simple: The USA only still exists because everyone fears its nuclear power.
Anyone wants to test whether this really works?
“1. Journalists are stupid.
2. Managers obviously don’t understand what really happens.
3. They don’t like you when you bring bad news.
4. The company still operates with a good margin, because the main business runs anyway.
I am well paid despite of my open criticism. Money doesn’t matter obviously.
Is there a parallel to the government?
I fear yes. Presidents can be blind and stupid.”
“What is” is an attempt to describe the world predicated on facility – From each according to her/his ability, but not to each according to her/his needs” refers, whilst some have different facilities.
You have outlined an incomplete list of opportunities for some who have different facilities.
“Working on special projects in a machine company”.
Divisions of labour are not unalloyed disadvantages in co-operations.
” The USA only still exists because everyone fears its nuclear power.
Anyone wants to test whether this really works?”
That has been ongoing by some since at least 1969.
“The report was pure fantasy. Nothing in this project worked, but the report claimed it was standard and put us ahead of the competition.”
That is one of the reasons for the alchemy of gold into promises, promises.
In different forms, primarily but not exclusively with the complicity of Gosplan, that was emulated within The Soviet Union, whilst some observed:
“It was the same old song
(but not) just with a different meaning since you’ve been gone”
So many became gone in some degree even without “benefit of formal education”, whilst their opponents were MirrorGazers immersed in themself (singular) until the schmoozer from Krasnodarsky oblast and his “associates/kommando” experienced an “oh fuck” moment, and tried to ameliorate things by making them worse.
Perhaps an aid to understanding the Gosplan trajectories likely still in “moderation” circa broadcast through this portal 0630 EST 09th March 2023.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/russias-economic-future-semiconductors
you know it`s about SHTF-time, when Arnie the gubberdouche pitches in to save the chosenites…
german chancellor scholz meets US president biden for what is effectively an unprecedented secret meeting. only three days later, in an obviously concerted effort, “revelatory” articles in all major german and US newspapers appear, placing the blame for the nordstream attacks squarely on a “renegade ukrainian outfit” working out of a rented yacht where, most conveniently, the obligatory (9/11, paris “charlie hebdo” etc.) terrorist passports were later discovered.
adding insult to injury, we are assured that whoever they were, the plucky ukrainian terrorist group had no connection whatsoever to the zelensky government: so far, so good! we can all heave a sigh of collective relief.
in short, they must think the western public is stupid and, judging by the number of people that got jabbed with deadly mRNA “vaccines” against a flu variant, they are indeed right.
for more evidence on the nordstream sabotage having been conducted during the “baltops 22” NATO exercises, hear this firsthand account by a NATO officer from john mark dougan`s youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6DWe-M9_w4&t=332s
The Americans in charge are simply not smart enough. And I mean simple IQ. The president is senile, the foreign minister a clown, and whenever anyone in the administration or in the top military brass open their mouth you only hear childish garbage. Same goes for Congress/Senate. That’s what you get when there is no meritocracy. They can’t even secure their borders or maintain their infrastructure. But fight Russia and China simultaneously? HELL YEAH!
History is full of such examples where a state rots because of inbreeding and legalized corruption. Russia before Peter the Great fixed it comes to mind.
Not can’t…..won’t
👍
This is true. The Ivy League is producing nothing but idiotic midwits these days who are fed a steady diet of fluff about how exceptional they are. Then, upon graduation, they go into the DC bubble and they never get confronted with the consequences of their own mediocrity. They just get dumber and dumber. It is of course, a mixed bag. On the one hand, it leads to disasters like we see in our foreign policy. On the other hand, if I’m going to be ruled by despotic assholes, I would much rather them be mediocre idiots than actual practical and intelligent people.
The problem is that truly the intelligent people are running the major industries like MIC, health, etc. And they’re the ones making the actual rules. Very much like Italy 80-100 years ago.
The dumbing down has mostly happened in this millennium. George Bush Jr wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed but his men (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, etc.), however evil, weren’t stupid.
It’s gone so fast that I think phones/Internet must play a big role in the general deterioration of the leaders’ as well as the public’s mental capabilities.
It is estimated that the western education systems cause a 10 IQ points drop per generation.
I couldn`t put it any better myself.
“Few lies carry the inventor’s mark, and the most prostitute enemy to truth may spread a thousand, without being known for the author: besides, as the vilest writer hath his readers, so the greatest liar hath his believers: and it often happens, that if a lie be believed only for an hour, it hath done its work, and there is no further occasion for it.
Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale hath had its effect: like a man, who hath thought of a good repartee when the discourse is changed, or the company parted; or like a physician, who hath found out an infallible medicine, after the patient is dead.”
– Jonathan Swift (1667-1745)
So true
Thanks for this reminder
Seymour Hersh is a remarkable journalist.
For those who have not read it, I highly recommend his 2007 piece “The Redirection” where he informs us of the plans to start a proxy terrorist war against the Syrian Arab Republic.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection
The war unfolded a few years later.
It’s chilling just how organised and planned these wars are. No doubt the proxy war in Ukraine was planned years before the Maidan coup.
The original plans for destabilisation of Syrian Arab Republic were developed 1957 by MI6…….
Indeed. And of course support for the Muslim Brotherhood against Nasser etc.
“And of course support for the Muslim Brotherhood against Nasser etc.”
And the Suez Canal in October/November 1956.
So NATO’s internal score is at least:
UK 1 (Suez 1956), Germany 2 (Bombing of the Danube by the Iron Gates 1999, Bombing of Nord Stream 2 2022)
since “special relationships” were never special – life can be disappointing even if you follow Mr. Chamberlain’s advice – try,try,try again as in 1943, 1945 and 1947 and ….
No wonder some are asking – Is she really going out with him?
indeed. the “orange revolution” (2004-2005), instigated by western intelligence in tandem with george soros` open society foundation preceded the maidan coup by a full ten years…and it wasn`t the beginning of western interventionism in ukraine, either.
Wesley Clarke also laid it out in numbers before.
The one decent thing that weasel ever did in his life.
it was not a yacht;
it was the Viking ship with Erik the Red propelled by Joe the Slipper’s tailwind;
At the oars the neocon band
Regarding ukranian F-16 pilots: they are used to instruments based on metric system. Go try some hard maneuvering in an F-16 with that ingrained in your brain.
here`s for hoping the imperial system (who came up with that pathetic term anyway) goes down alongside the US…i mean the US in it`s current state- common Joe and Jane are not to blame…
British Empire came up with the name “Imperial system of units”. Other proposals were “Royal system of units” and “Her Majesty’s system of units”.
True story, the reason Britain lost her empire is because she gave up imperial measurements. And for the metric system? Really? The Nazis killed all those people with the metric system! 8.8 cm! 8.8 cm! What conehead thought it was a good idea?!
And don’t get me started on “maths”. Every Anglo Tom, Dick, and Harry on the internet tries to correct you whenever you say “do the math”, but 50 years ago the butcher would “do the sums” when he rang up your sausage and chops. Now he goes to the till and “does the maths” like some particle-physicist Oxford Don. They’ve even got the television presenters saying “maths”, because those poor bastards just read whatever scrolls by on the teleprompter. Seriously, “math” is a contraction of “mathematics”, so what the hell is “maths”? “Mathematicss”?
Nation of silly buggers.
Math is not a contraction, it’s is a shortening of the noun mathematics.
A contraction is a word made by shortening and combining two words. Words like can’t (can + not), don’t (do + not), and I’ve (I + have) are all contractions.
Maths is correct and is proper English. Bastardised North American “English” in many examples uses simplified versions of the correct forms.
How about….’just another pathetic attempt at hegemony’ system of units.
That’s a different one. Its Wikipedia page even says: “Not to be confused with Imperial units”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units
The US military uses the metric system. Aviation may have some imperial units (e.g. flight level in feet) but that’s common all over the world.
Mundane Astrology provides for consciousness, what ist constellated to become, unconscious to us.
In the best case our conscious acts are in accordance with the constellations. Long since V.V.Putin’s
decisions are of such quality. Crucial Question: Why is it so? The answer has to be found by coming
astromundanly educated thinkers.
For now:
“Attack and Solution for Two Weeks”
https://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2023/03/attack-square-dissolution-for-two-weeks.html
Given the reports that Russian fighters are reduced to using trenching spades maybe the eventual confirmation of Bahmut’s fall should have this as an intro/anthem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbvWn1EY6g
“A competent intelligence service would have prepared a detailed story that was plausible and contained enough details to create doubt in the minds of those who accepted Sy’s account.”
Agreed. Which is why I suspect this nonsense didn’t originate at Langley.
The Oval Office, more likely. Sullivan, Blinken and Biden sitting around a table, which some occasional input from the bloated toad in the corner. The one eating all the cookies.
If it’s amateur hour you’re reading then, honestly, there isn’t a more amateurish bunch on the world stage, is there?
As ukrain blew up the Jerman economic lifeline, it allows them to stop sending money and weapons to the (n)ukries. Y/No?
Stephen Karganovic (Strategic Culture Foundation) quotes Carl Rove: “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors… and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/03/08/making-snow-black/
Alexander Mercouris analyzes the NYT story which blames Ukrainians for the sabotage as a proof that there exists opposition inside the US elite, who Mercouris calls ‘the realists’. These ‘realists’ want to counter the Seymour Hersh disclosure with blaming ‘Ukrainians’, which already in itself means a fateful weakening of the unconditional US support for Ukraine.
In the thinking of Carl Rove this means introducing shades of grey instead of calling white black. This shades-of-greyness is exactly what the neocons hate the most, because the inversion of grey produces the same outcome: another same grey ‘reality’ (the proverbial tar baby does produce greyness as well). As soon as reality stays the same under the acts of the Neocons to produce ‘a new reality’ this means that the empire of the West is showing its clay feet.
mind you, they will more likely then not come up with a follow-up story, with definetly indefinite proof it was those pesky ukro-nazis, who basically run poor Zelensky and the whole shabang…
cue the `rescue Zelensky`plot…
They have just issued a “Happy story”.”Russia announces it will mothball the nordstream pipe lines for future use by Europe”.For energy sales to EU in the future!I am not certain EU has a future.
Masha again gave the best description of this ridiculous shift of blame from America for the destruction of the North Stream. Beautiful, smart, witty, everything that Karine Jean-Pierre is not
“Maria Zakharova joked today that future investigations might pin the Nord Stream bombings on a ‘demolition dolphin’ that escaped from Crimea. And the only evidence tying in the ‘Anglo-Saxons’ will be Liz Truss’ voice directing the animal ‘from the Black Sea to the Baltic Sea’.
Liz Truss cannot direct or locate either of those seas. When she visited Russia as foreign secretary she insisted two Russian territories would never be part of Russia when what she meant was Ukrainian Eastern territories.
How that ship has sailed.
A reasonable expectation: They will give F-16 to the Ukraine, and they will be flown by Polish pilots.
All that is left to do is to make up some story how the Ukrainians can quickly learn to fly F-16’s.
There are fundamental differences between the Artificial Horizon Indicators and Attitude Indicators that make transitioning from Russian aircraft to Western aircraft, or vice versa, problematic. This was highlighted as a contributing factor in an episode of Air Crash Investigations.
With Russian AIs, the horizon stays centered and the aircraft indicator moves relative to the horizon. With Western instruments, the opposite is true, the horizon moves relative to the aircraft. Can be a big problem in poor visibility when something is going wrong… and it’s more likely to manifest under high G’s in an aircraft than in a simulator.
At least these two guys are getting some timeout from the military-technical solution in their homeland.
As for the tall tale of snorkelling sailors yachting round the Baltic blowing up pipelines – c’mon man! Walt Disney’d do a better story than that. Like something out of Looney Tunes.
Next thing you know they’ll be saying covid came from bats and the jabs are safe and effective.
https://www.rt.com/russia/572682-medvedev-nord-stream-ukraine/
Ex-Russian president mocks Western media’s Nord Stream claims
Reports that a “pro-Ukraine” group was behind the sabotage of the pipelines sound like a B movie, Dmitry Medvedev has said
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has ridiculed Western media reports alleging that the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines was carried out by “pro-Ukraine” vigilantes, saying that the sole goal of those publications was to “bamboozle” the European audience.
On Tuesday, the New York Times claimed that a “pro-Ukrainian group” may have been behind the September explosions that disabled the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, which were built to deliver Russian gas to Europe via Germany. The US paper’s anonymous sources stressed in particular that “no American or British nationals were involved” in the operation.
On the same day, a number of German outlets reported that the country’s investigators probing the Nord Stream blasts had discovered that a yacht allegedly used in the attack belonged to a Polish-based firm but was “apparently” owned by two Ukrainians.
In his post on Telegram on Thursday, Medvedev made it clear that the idea of sabotage of such scale being carried out by “loners” without the involvement of state actors was simply laughable.
The story offered by the Western outlets to their readers was “blatant low-rating B movie stuff,” the official, who is now the deputy chair of the Russian Security Council, commented.
“Six hardened saboteurs, with a lady among them, a femme fatale (how can there be a movie without one?) went out on a yacht into the stormy Baltic Sea. They took half a ton of explosives on board and performed a beautiful dive. And then they blew up two huge pipes at the bottom, before disappearing into the sunset. Unspotted by anybody. In the sea, full of NATO ships and international surveillance systems. They also returned the yacht to the owner, being brutal, but also law-abiding,” he wrote.
“The goal of this cheap flick was to bamboozle the Europeans,” who are already getting tired of having to pay for the EU’s support to Ukraine amid the conflict with Russia, Medvedev said.
However, he pointed out that the “film flopped right after its premier” as the audience began asking “uncomfortable questions,” including why the initial claims of Russian involvement are now suddenly being abandoned or why must the EU keep sending arms and money to Ukrainian radicals if they were the ones who destroyed the pipelines.
Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov suggested on Wednesday that those articles were published in order to divert attention from last month’s report by veteran American investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, which blamed Washington for the sabotage.
According to an informed source who talked to Hersh, explosives were planted on the pipelines in the Baltic Sea back in June 2022 by US Navy divers under the guise of a NATO exercise, and detonated remotely two months later. The White House has denied the report by the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist as “utterly false and complete fiction.”
“Tar baby”!!! I have held that same conclusion for the last 8 months. I’m glad you made that point!!! Thanks.
Better get on the hip-waders, folks — it’s getting even deeper:
West knows who is responsible for Nord Stream attack – The Times
https://www.rt.com/news/572636-west-knows-nord-stream-culprit/
Other question: how would the pro-Ukrainian group know where exactly to find the pipelines ?
The “The Gilligan Theory”. Love it.
I would not at all be surprised if somehow the Baltic pipe carrying gas from Norway to Poland gets blown up and blamed on the Russians. These bought and paid for criminals in Europe would probably get the Norwegians to participate…..again!
Better to disrupt main arterial pipelines to UK from Norway……..Langeled and Vesteled
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langeled_pipeline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interconnector_(North_Sea)
https://www.oxfordenergy.org/wpcms/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/NG-63.pdf
I’m not sure the CIA is any less ham-handed now than in the past. The difference is the internet and the ability to share and access information outside of the official channels. When most Americans got their information from 3 news networks it was very easy to hoodwink them.
Heck, even with the internet it still is easy to hoodwink most people. Look at the Russiagate story. It was totally ridiculous on its face, but, a lot of people bought into it If people hear something repeatedly, it gets accepted as the truth. Mass media is the perfect vehicle for stampeding the herd. Billy Graham, the evangelist TV preacher, knew this and tried to warn Nixon.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/03/us/billy-graham-apologizes-to-jews-for-his-remarks-on-nixon-tapes.html
I hope everyone has seen the fainting pig series on Stanislavs. They are a riot, and a great way to introduce your friends to the reality of this war.
https://stanislavs.org/fainting-piglet-aka-unconscious-pig-satirical-cartoons-explain-the-core-of-ukraine-and-why-smo-was-unavoidable-with-future-updates/
That’s a good window into the mainstream Russia view on the Ukrainian clusterfuck. Very revealing.
It is a shame how pathetic are the west media and authorities involved in the West x Russia conflict. They really think that they are talking to idiots, brainless people. If you make something you want to hide, the first thinking is how you will explain it convincingly.
It seems that they are so confident that the people will accept their stupidity, that they simply do not care.
Ukraine was pummeled overnight with really big shovels. Gonzalo Lira hasn’t posted anything on his twitter account so I would imagine Kharkov was hit hard or there’s no elec/cell connections.
Shovels you say? Maybe the Russians got some technical advice from this guy.
https://thechive.com/humanity/diy/apparently-you-can-make-an-ak-47-out-of-just-about-anything-25-photos/
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/russia-ukraine-singapore-shanmugam-small-countries-regional-cooperation-rivalry-3333796
Singapore’s view seems nuanced. Definitely not something worth supporting the united states.
Hey Larry…LMAO, the Gilligan’s Isle analogy is priceless 🙂 It’s only missing the part where the Howells finance the operation with USAID money. The latest NYT and other MSM attempts to pin the NS2 attack on a Ukrainian covert operation is just another example of the frickin’ clown show that we live in.
F16s…at this point, I really hope that the UKR gets 20 of them…the Russian Air Force needs some peer on peer live fire practice if nothing else. But seriously, the real risk here is if one of those F16s gets shot down and falls into Russian defense engineer hands. The F16 has been around since the 80s and is not the USAF top fighter but it has been upgraded and has advanced technology that the Russians and subsequently the Chinese would love to get their hands on.
Is Joe deranged enough to send F16s to the UKR even though he said he would not…I think the answer is “yes” and Russia, China and others can’t wait for him to make that mistake.
“The F16 has been around since the 80s and is not the USAF top fighter but it has been upgraded and has advanced technology that the Russians and subsequently the Chinese would love to get their hands on.”
Advanced technology probably made by Chinese and Indian migrants to the US or possibly even Slavic ones. They account for the majority of US tech and science advances.
How much will these wars begin to test loyalties, especially if you know your or your parents adopted country is in the wrong.
Blood is thicker than water. Biden Admin are thicker than blood.
Biden administration is thicker than brick.
“… the real risk here is if one of those F16s gets shot down and falls into Russian defense engineer hands.”
No need for the Russians to spoil the F-16’s paint job by shooting it down. One of the Ukrainian pilots who has been subjected to Woke indoctrination by high-heeled lipstick-wearing trannies while training in the US will decide to fly the plane to Russia and hand it over in exchange for never having to hear anything about White Privilege ever again.
At some point over the last 30-35 years, the USA completely gave up any pretense to, or even a facade of moral leadership.
Its because we gave up any pretense to being a Christian nation and have effectively become neo-Marxists.
“Its because we gave up any pretense to being a Christian nation and have effectively become neo-Marxists.”
Perhaps the opponents also helped?
When was the U.|S. ever a Christian nation, it was secular country with separation of church and state you alt-right ignoramus. Then again your view of neo-Marxist conspiracies says it all, your corporate run capitalist state is coming apart at the seems yet make up some BS about non-existent socialism to explain your own ideological and social economic contradiction. You and the rest of the alt-right are weak and pathetic simple minded cry babies.
“…it was secular country with separation of church and state…”
I hear what your’e saying Mike but does the official take reflect reality?
Where I live and in many other ‘western’ countries the secular trope is touted all the time. But in reality government inserts Christian religion in to official documents, prostiticians publicly mention (their white Christian) God, call for prayers, and fund churches and religious groups and schools with public money.
If you are going to stoop to name calling and attacking other posters, please choose a different user ID. I don’t want a finger pointing at me for your attacks.
Being as the US “leadership” is rabidly supporting a Nazi regime in Ukraine, I’d have to insist the proper term is in no way “neo-Marxists”. Try Neo-Fascists or just Neo-Nazis — the tag is far more appropriate.
And indeed, this country was never a “Christian nation”. Many of the Founding Fathers were actually Deists; they espoused a belief in God, but refused to allow any establishment of religion; try reading the First Amendment! (Hint: It’s in the Bill of Rights.)
▪️Kharkov : at least fifteen explosions sounded in the city. According to some reports, the operation of CHPP-3 and CHPP-5 was stopped. Local residents reported power and water outages, communication and heating problems.
C’mon, Larry, the SU-25 is NOT a “jet fighter”, it is a ground attack aircraft (albeit jet-powered). You mean the SU-27.
There is a video somewhere on YouTube of a Ukrainian pilot several years ago, having flown both aircraft, comparing the two. He was most assuredly NOT impressed with the F-16.
FWIW, I saw either that video or another, likewise with a Ukrainian pilot who’d flown both. What I remember him saying of the F16 is “Nice airplane, I like it. Of course, it can’t be compared to the SU-27”.
At the time, I chalked his assessment up to his doubtless vastly greater experience with the SU-27. Now I doubt that fully explains it.
The SU-27 “Flanker” platform underpins the current SU-35. FWIW, rumours coming out of Syria say even F-22 pilots consider it a no-fly zone when the SU-35 is in the air.
The US/NATO cannot afford an air war over Ukraine. The risks are just too high, even with their vastly greater numbers. The AWACs and aerial tankers would become primo targets. Borders blur in an air war and NATO’s airforce is utterly dependent on both.
In October, 1997 a North Carolina employee of Loomis Fargo stole more than $17,000,000. After watching the documentary about what all transpired, I dubbed these idiots the gang that couldn’t shoot straight; they screwed up everything in every way. I believe they just lost that title to these idiots of the last 26 months. It would be more humorous than pathetic if it didn’t involve my country.
Whatever false flag they are planning to try to keep their plausible deniability going, I hope it blows up in their faces, BIG TIME.
Tonight’s top stories:
“breaking CNN: ‘Goat of Kiev’ arrested in Peoples Republic of Russia for bombing Nordstream Pipelines. The Goat had fled to the PRR after evading attempts to make him a Goat Roti at ‘Elenski’s Fine Nazi Dining’ in Kiev failed last autumn. Police recovered a special goat-sized deep-diving suit at the scene. More at the top of the hour.”
Most likely Russia but a tip off from a man I know down the pub said his friends wife saw a an advertisement in a Chinese takeaway regarding Nordstrom having a sale about the same time!
https://a.co/d/21uKju4
Expect sanctions on China to follow.
There has never been a time when so many evil imbeciles had so much destructive power in their paws, it seems inevitable what will happen. But since I can’t stop being a fervent capitalist, I’m opening a new business (mainly for the British), it’s “Poseidon” model surfboards for this big wave to come. (30% off for the first orders)
The Hersch report left out the infamous “It’s done” text by Liz Truss, allegedly sent on an insecure phone to Blinkin moments after the detonation of Nordstream. The head of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service Sergey Naryshkin has claimed that he has “indirect confirmation” that the SMS allegedly sent by former UK Prime Minister Liz Truss was about the sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipelines.
Yep, I have been wondering the same thing: is Sy’s “expose” paid for by the excrements running MI5 / MI6 / tiny-Brits in an attempt to whitewash micro-Britain from this whole fiasco?
Dumb Truss, whose cell phone was bugged by FSB, did text Blinkin, the Khazarian buddy of hers “it is done” literally 1 (one) minute after the NS explosions. This implicates Brits as the “doers” and the “Yanks” as the slave-masters (Germans are of course just a disposable diaper in either case). Whereas Hersh’s article puts the blame just on the Yanks, not even mentioning the micro-Brits.
Makes you wonder….
All Anglo-Saxons and their ZOG masters (jews Nudelman, Blinkinman, Sullivan) are the obvious terrorists. But Hersh is seemingly whitewashing the Brits.
Why?!
Stupidity? Blackmail? or Money?
Jeez, how many times have you counted your girl friend or wife cheating on you before bedtime?
Well, if it helps you sleep ….. who am I to judge?
john mark dougan`s report from a NATO whistleblower who witnessed at least parts of the actual diving preparations for the nordstream sabotage during the “baltops-22” exercise clearly confirms seymour hersh`s account:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6DWe-M9_w4
Tar baby 🍼 👏.
What is interesting to me is also how what the Russians are now doing is complete a mystery to even soldiers and former soldiers which may mean they are about to do something.
Initially what they were doing , with which units, was clear. Super clear.
Now there is a bunch of Wagner’s taking key towns like Bakhmut and not much known elsewhere.
Military build up in both Transnistria and Belarus, huge in Belarus.
Combined military drill with South Africa and China around now also. Ok.
The big infrastructure strikes are quiet and rare. The video footage limited to Wagner.
All eyes on them right? All eyes on Bakhmut and Wagner. So what are eyes not on. Alot. I believe. Is happening.
Not reported the Italian PM, recently did her slides on immigration. She said the question is not understanding why people want to come to Europe but understanding what created the conditions to force them to leave their countries.
She blamed European/ Western economic and political actions in this area, pointing out how France forced leaders of West Africa former colonies to place HALF their money in French banks. If they do not France kills them. She gave other examples and slides.wow.
Her point was stop interference and exploitation and immigration will stop.
Worth watching on YouTube before it gets lost somewhere in the binary nob binary.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj3Vy728dso
Meloni Italy PM calling out French economic and military exploitation of Africa which is a major reason for migration.
Ditto US and South America. Bulk of migrants are from US deatabilised and Western explored countries. All. Wealth sucked West. All commodities ripped out. Nothing left behind.
On propaganda re nord stream. Its not that people don’t want to know the truth. It’s just that they don’t care. Even knowing the truth they don’t care.
All westerners know their government does bad stuff. They don’t really care.
Do they care about Russiagate,JFK truth about overseas wars. Naaaah
If it’s not on their soil affecting them they don’t give a f…
So why make huge effort to counter what they might think when you know they don’t care?
CIA doesn’t have to do anything. Better to give it little. Westerners don’t care and if they do most will be proud US dunnit to damn Ruskies. Rest of the world can’t do shit even if they think different.
Why not train the Ukies on F-35’s? The F-35 should be more simple to fly because air force websites say it’s not a dogfighter, is a QB. You are supposed to be able to detect and launch missiles before enemy aircraft can even see you on their sensors.
I don’t think the U.S. wants the embarrassment of showing our top line jets being shot down by Russia. If we were confident in the F35, we would be eager to test it in an actual combat situation.
Larry,
From the 780,000 foot level where Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin sits, you just cant see the details!
In this video Colonel Douglas Macgregor says of the Nord Stream explosions, “[German Chancellor Olaf Scholz] is presiding over a Pearl Harbor inflicted on Germany by the United States.”
I think this is why we’re seeing a sudden tidal wave of propaganda on those explosions: Scholz desperately needs political cover, some explanation however thin for why he’s doing absolutely nothing in response to his country’s Pearl Harbor moment.
Scholz probably stole into Washington a few days ago precisely for this reason: to beg for cover.
So that’s why the recent Nord Stream “theory” looks inept: it was a rush job in response to Scholz’s pleading. The disinformation doesn’t have to be credible: it’s a smokescreen for obscuring the truth just long enough for the issue to go away (as the US Americans hope it will).
The issue may not go away; the Nord Stream bombings represent a major rupture in US/Germany relations.
And I personally hope the bombings will cost Scholz his job; Berlin should wrench itself from Washington’s death grip (don’t ask me how) and end the war in the Ukraine. And I want the war to end as soon as possible, not only because it is causing so much woe, but also because the longer it goes on the more we risk a global nuclear doomsday.
If you were going to put together a good story about a non-state actor being responsible, this is the worst version. It would have been far better to revolve this story around Russian nationalists who think Putin is too weak. You’ve got the angle of Russian oligarchs and the possibility of cracks in the topmost echelons of Russian society. The non-state Russian actors wanted to embarrass Putin, maybe force his hand to escalate and to destroy good relations with the west forever.
It still fails at the technical aspect of doing the act. And it’s not really believable if the reader has a grasp of Russian society. But it keeps the blame on Russia (who was initially blamed) and it can be sold to the public. It could leverage the Prigozhin – MoD spat for believability. It even has the potential to make some Russians wonder if things are as unified at the top as they seem.
But instead we got this stupid story that makes no sense unless it’s actually a story to start the process of letting Zelensky and the Bankova gang hang.
The story of the sportsdivers is not credibel:
https://dykketabeller.no/onewebmedia/NDTT%20Ed%205.pdf
we are talking about 80 meters depth, 6 divers, there is no mentioning of additional proffesional equiment, you would need a lot of it, no decomperssion chambers.
Sportsdivers usely dives within the 20-30 depth range. Everthing deeper means that you need special airmixes. And a lot of air. Or an advanced aircompressor.
This is a divingjob for a big proffesional diverteam and is a highly complicated industrial task.
How many proffesional deepsea divers do Ukraina have? 50? 200?
This is a blocked (in Norway) link
https://newsingermany.com/nord-stream-how-does-a-dive-at-80-meters-feel-like/
Commercial divers at 80- 100 meters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgqEmtjCQCg
Yes, they where pro-ukranian. But that is the only true statement in the claim
Best regards from Norway
The story of the sports-divers is not credible:
https://dykketabeller.no/onewebmedia/NDTT%20Ed%205.pdf
we are talking about 80 meters depth, 6 divers, there is no mentioning of additional proffesional equiment, you would need a lot of it, no decompression chambers.
Sportsdivers usely dives within the 20-30 depth range. Everthing deeper means that you need special airmixes. And a lot of air. Or an advanced air compressor.
This is a diving job for a big professional diver-team and is a highly complicated industrial task.
How many professional deep-sea divers do Ukraina have? 50? 200?
This is a blocked (in Norway) link
https://newsingermany.com/nord-stream-how-does-a-dive-at-80-meters-feel-like/
Commercial divers at 80- 100 meters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgqEmtjCQCg
Yes, they where pro-ukrainian. But that is the only true statement in the claim
Pls. call any diving center and ask them about the claims they make
Best regards from Norway
“Sportsdivers usely dives within the 20-30 depth range. Everthing deeper means that you need special airmixes. And a lot of air. Or an advanced air compressor.”
It’s not a question of depth, but a combination of depth + time to yield a dive profile that allows calculation of the decompression protocol required. We used to have to calculate our dive profile manually using charts, but nowadays there are dive computers that do that instantly.
Making a long story short, a recreational diver can go routinely to 50M (I have) but only for short periods of time unless s/he’s prepared to decompress in increasingly numerous and lengthy stages on the way up. Unless one has a rebreather, air supply/consumption has to be included in the calculation.
Larry’s characterization of the Ukrainian War disaster as America’s Tar Baby is the perfect metaphor for what America’s “leaders” have done to the world, our reputation, and most especially to the Ukrainian people. If these “leaders” had any sense of decency and humility, they would immediately sue for peace and try to come away with the best deal they could get.
But you know what’s probably stopping them? The world would find out that Vladimir Putin and the Russian people are not the monsters the lying traitors in the media have made them out to be. Instead, the world would find out that the conditions for peace would likely be fair and reasonable.
Of course, our “leaders” in the West couldn’t allow THAT to happen. Such an occurrence would require them to humble themselves and admit that they were wrong all along. True, tens of thousands of lives would be saved, but what is that compared to all the benefits they reap by perpetuating the Big Lie.
How do I know that Vladimir Putin is not the totalitarian monster the West wants us to believe? For one thing (among others), the way that the Russians treat the Ukrainian war dead.
“But you know what’s probably stopping them?
The world would find out that Vladimir Putin and the Russian people are not the monsters the lying traitors in the media have made them out to be. Instead, the world would find out that the conditions for peace would likely be fair and reasonable.”
Well many in the world have already worked that out as they are aware, its just that they are not sure what bit of the above many in the world have worked out, since doubt is the basis of science, and certainty the basis of belief, and anyway if some did try to tell them they would likely choose those with curved balls to believe to achieve certainty.
I think the story has some truth to it. It said that it was done by a pro-Ukrainian group.
Well … NATO is a pro-Ukrainian group, right?
NATO is a pro-Ukrainian group as much as Pfizer is a pro-health group.
The elites could only attempt to get away with these absurd cover stories and lies after the societal disorientation caused by the covid scam. They believe we are all in a state of cognitive dissonance.
One thing that everyone overlooks is that just finding pipe on the floor of the sea is extremely hard – its like searching for the needle in the haystack – its not like they left signposts saying “dive here to find the pipeline” – just imagine finding something 1 meter wide on the floor of the sea that is dozens and hundreds of kilometers wide, on a depth that cannot be easily accessed or even seen, in order to comb it out…
So yes, you need exact coordinates of the pipeline and that is something that unrelated oligarch cannot provide by himself for sure…
Basically, its not only impossible to do it with a simple gear, but is also nearly impossible to find it in the first place…
Why would we use divers when the Kearsarge was there practicing ‘removing’ underwater explosives and the Seals have mini subs which can plant magnetic explosives, which could be launched from the Kearsarge?
We hear about increased gas transport via Ukraine to Germany. Quite strange that the “enemy in the east” is still supplying gas to Ukraine despite supposedly blowing up its own pipelines in the Baltic Sea. Even more strange is this increased gas supply if it is the case that it was Ukraine that blew up these pipelines. That they took 200 tons of explosives on a recreational sailboat, dived down to 80 meters and detonated a powerful explosion that ended all other transport of gas to Germany. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russian-gas-europe-via-ukraine-transit-rises-2023-02-01/
Sy Hersh gives his view on the Nord Stream coverup:
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/the-cover-up
2023-03-22
“Two weeks ago, after a visit by German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to Washington,
US and German intelligence agencies attempted to add to the blackout
[of Hersh’s original Nord Stream story]
by feeding the New York Times and the German weekly Die Zeit false cover stories
to counter the report that Biden and US operatives were responsible for the pipelines’ destruction.”