On the very day the world learns about the sabotage of Russia’s Nordstream 1 and Nordstream 2, guess what else happened? Well, Ukrainians from the Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporhyzhia and Kherson oblasts voted in overwhelming numbers to become Russians. While that is a game changer that is not what I had in mind.
How about this–Poland on Tuesday inaugurated a new pipeline that will transport gas from Norway through Denmark and the Baltic Sea? That is it!!! What a coincidence!! Or is it?
There is at least one prominent Polish citizen who believes the United States merits praise for sabotaging the Nordstream pipelines. Former former Polish Defense Minister, Radek Sikorski, who happens to be married to Anne Appelbaum, an enthusiastic neo-con masquerading as a journalist, tweeted the following upon learning that the Nordstream lines were now “złamany” (Polish for”kaput”): “Thank you, USA.”
But, perhaps that is a bit of deflection. Poland has longstanding animus towards Nordstream. In other words, Poland has a clear motive for backing the destruction of the Russian pipeline. More than a year ago -April 2021 to be precise–this appeared in print:
Poland strongly opposes the development of Nord Stream 2, which will give Gazprom a subsea alternative route for supplying natural gas to Western European customers. At present, that gas has to pass through overland pipeline networks in Poland and Ukraine, bringing in valuable transit fees and providing both nations – which do not always have cordial relations with Russia – a measure of energy security.https://maritime-executive.com/article/poland-denies-provocative-naval-maneuvers-near-nord-stream-2
One month later, Poland pitched a Kielbasi fit:
Poland has reacted angrily to President Joe Biden’s decision to waive US sanctions on Nord Stream II, warning the move could threaten energy security across Central and Eastern Europe.
“The information is definitely not positive from the security point of view, as we know perfectly that Nord Stream II is not only a business project – it is mostly a geopolitical project,” said Piotr Muller, a spokesman for the Polish government. . . .
Announced following a phone-call between Joe Biden and Chancellor Angela Merkel, the US decision to lift sanctions was welcomed in Berlin, with Foreign Minister Heiko Maas noting that “it is an expression of the fact that Germany is an important partner for the US, one that it can count on in the future.”
The highly controversial pipeline has met with vigorous opposition across Central and Eastern Europe, including in Poland and Ukraine where officials say the project would be used by the Kremlin as a geopolitical weapon, de-facto increase Europe’s dependence on Russian gas and threaten energy security in the Eastern half of the continent.https://kafkadesk.org/2021/05/21/poland-angered-by-us-president-bidens-nord-stream-ii-decision/
Makes you wonder if there was some wheeling and dealing was going on between Washington and Warsaw. Given Warsaw’s critical location and role in ensuring U.S. and NATO military supplies is delivered to Ukraine, the Poles have a bit of leverage to push the United States to take out the pipelines or to help Poland take out the pipelines. Poland’s message to the United States was simple–reverse course on Nordstream and rupture the pipelines or you can find another way to move your military supplies to Ukraine.
But wait, doesn’t this create some real problems for Germany? Sure. But Poland “don’t” (sic) care. There was this little incident called World War II and it seems that the Poles are still miffed at the Germans. If revenge is a dish best served cold, then this sucker is a frozen dinner:
Poland’s top politician said Thursday that the government will seek equivalent of some $1.3 trillion in reparations from Germany for the Nazis’ World War II invasion and occupation of his country.
Jaroslaw Kaczynski, leader of the Law and Justice party, announced the huge claim at the release of a long-awaited report on the cost to the country of years of Nazi German occupation as it marks 83 years since the start of World War II. . . .
Germany’s Foreign Ministry said Thursday the government’s position remains “unchanged” in that “the question of reparations is concluded.”https://apnews.com/article/poland-germany-world-war-ii-warsaw-49b0cf77745a7b1cabfaa884c3bf0035
With this new supply of Polish controlled natural gas, Germany is in a tough spot. Buy from Poland or buy from the United States. Either way, the Germans pay a premium while the United States and Poland make some bank.
Small Axe says
Interestingly, Michael Brzezinski–Zbigniew’s son–is U.S. Ambassador to Poland, while Ian, another of “Mr. Zbig’s” sons is a key member of the Atlantic Council, a major driver of anti-Russian policy and heavily overlapped with the OUN.
Mika Brzezinski holds forth on TV to give us all the “facts,” along with Joe Scarborough.
Larry mentioned the Neocons in particular Anne Appelbaum who is lots of fun to read. Zbigniew Brzezinski hated the Neocons. He was born into an aristocratic Roman Catholic family while the other fellows are just … roaming Neocons. Their forefathers simply did not see eye to eye in their original Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe including Russia itself.
Here is what old Zbigniew thought of the Neocons: https://www.ufppc.org/14-news/us-a-world-news/4916-commentary-brzezinski-says-neocons-pose-mortal-danger-both-to-us-and-israel?tmpl=component
“Here is what old Zbigniew thought of the Neocons” probably framed/moderated as part of his assimilation into “The United States of America”.
” He was born into an aristocratic Roman Catholic family ” in what is now “Western Ukraine” which continues to be in significant part “Anti-Semitic”.
“Zbigniew Brzezinski hated the Neocons while the other fellows are just … roaming Neocons. ”
“Anti-Semitism” was very popular in the Second Polish Republic 1919 – 1939 describing the “other” as roaming cosmopolitans/communists in “educated” polite society: Christ killers in less polite society.
“Anti-Semitism” was also popular in “The United States of America” and is not yet unknown.
However Mr. Brzezinsky’s article contained some useful observations which were perceived by others as not useful.
Small Axe, is it just me, or does Joe Scarborough look strikingly like Zbiggy, at a similar age? Methinks Mika has daddy issues …
There is a satire of the film, Lord of War (Japanese visual novel, Jormungand) in which a younger Mika Brzezinski (aka Koko Hekmatyar, as in Gulbuddin, one of her father’s jihadis who would throw sulphuric acid in the faces of women who failed to wear burqas) plays part Viktor Bout (“Dmitri Orlov” in Lord of War), part Romeo Dallaire (what with training Ugandan child soldiers in Rwanda; note also that Bout flew in the French peacekeepers of Operation Turquoise over Dallaire’s and Kagame’s objections).
In the satire, there is a preemptive parody of the arrest and prosecution of Viktor Bout, published two years before said arrest; the parody is “Pulsar Part One,” in which Hekmatyar (as Viktor Bout) says “We will pretend to take the order and leave” and “Koko Hekmatyar does not take credit” (as payment), thereby mocking USDA Preet Bharara’s notion of mens rea in the “supply weapons to the FARC to kill US officials” two years before the incident in question.
What’s reported here is very, very serious, in particular, the US devils to include The THING and Nuland making threats against this pipeline reported below. We’re talking KINETIC now, which could escalate into WWIII in an instant! How fortunate for The THING’s Regime, just declare a national emergency that you caused to stop the 2022 elections where you were going to be destroyed. Stop and think about that. Nothing is off the table for these devils! At this point, I take it for granted that anyone still capable of rational thought knows that The THING is on the DAVOS payroll pushing the pedal to the metal for the Great Reset!
The following reported on Revolver.com
Revealed: CIA “warned” Germany of possible Nord Stream pipeline attack…
Flashback June: NATO “experimental” BALTOPS underwater mine dives in the Baltic…
Can’t make this up… Iraq War neocon Anne Applebaum’s Polish husband thanks US for blowing up Nord Stream…
Of course, there is always this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8YC7UQVmis&ab_channel=AssociatedPress
These days it is normal for western governments to rule on TV, make multiple daily appearances, make statements and then walk them back in the same day, and of course, announce everything they will do publicly so…. Maybe this is where the Ukrainians learned that it is good tactics to announce offensives with exact locations 2-6 months ahead of time as well?
Yugo chugaweinerbich says
I don’t think the polish pipeline will be long lived, more a pipedream now.
Putin is too conservative for that. And I think it is hurting the cause. Russia should do something brazen kinetically. They should have FSB agents in the field snuffing ppl out all over the world. Like they did to the rogue chechens. But they just dont do this extralegal stuff anymore. Its time they start it again
well, some pipelines in the Gulf of Mexico could spontaneously develop massive leaks. Should push US oil to 250 -350 bbl and gas to 10-15 bucks a gallon and the food wont get to the super market. I am sure it could be done with plausible deniability.
Larry Johnson says
You raise a very important point. This could have been made to appear to be an accident. Taking out both pipelines was a overt fuck you to Russia and germany.
Or if “something were to happen” to the trans Alaska pipeline, even if it only interrupted supply for a short time, the oil in the line freezes, and the entire pipeline is rendered useless forever. The oil in the line is heated at pipeline stations to prevent this happening.
But if the oil stops flowing……
In reply to marku52 regarding that trans-Alaska pipeline and if the line freezes its useless forever. The pipeline is not carry water, it is carrying oil. Which increases in density when temperatures are lowered and will not form crystals at all. Any water that is present is a risk to fixtures and pumps.
The main reason the pipeline is heated is to increase flow rate and reduce wax build up in the pipe. Not to avert its destruction by freezing.
The Norway – Polish pipeline only has a capacity of 10bcm
NS2 = 50bcm
NS1 = 55 bcm
Brother Ma says
Germany still has some gas from the “Europipe”, that goes from Norway directly to Western Coastal Germany. How much does that carry?
This new so-called “ Baltic Pipe” is just a pipe running from the Europipe -before- it -hits – Germany directly to Poland .
Question also is, will this Baltic pipe , now siphon off all the gas that was previously going to Western Coastal Germany ? If it is then Germany’s goose will be truly cooked.
James Robert Smith says
Those existing pipelines should suffer the same fate of NS 1 & 2. Additionally, all EU LNG terminals should mysteriously detonate.
Both NS! and 2 max capacities are 55 bcm.
Also they should blame Norway when it blows, if they follow their “rules”…
It’s an act if war against Germany….the Nord2 pipeline was purely for energy to transit to German end users…. Russia can sells it’s gas to China or India….
The negotiation are ongoing as well as the projects. In mid-term, after conclusion of SMO, Europe even wanting to buy gas from Russia, will find difficulties, since the production may be totally occupied.
Hey Joe, I agree! This is not much skin off of Russia’s nose. This was directed at the destruction of Germany. The people of Germany should be ready for a very cold and years long political winter. Not just the coming seasonal winter.
I think you are right in that the destruction of the pipelines was not aimed at Russia, but at stopping any and all gas to Germany. Recently a few German pols were talking about turning on Nord Stream 2 with Putin very publicly stating “say the word, and we will send you gas via NS2”. Now it seems possible that the pipelines cannot be repaired and may never send any gas to Germany period.
Media hype as I seriously doubt that they cannot be repaired. It is more the cost and having the will to do so. The Germans seem to have lost the will.
“It’s an act if war against Germany”
But not the first act of war against Germany after 1945.
From 1917 onwards “The United States of America” has sought to increase their control over Europe, initially through joining the war against the Central Powers in 1917, using the Treaty of Versailles in 1919 to undermine “Europe” with the use of ethnic nationalism branded as “freedom of the nations” to facilitate “The United States of America” which is sometimes designated as “The American Empire”.
From 1900 until 1945 Danubia – the Danube from Regensburg in Germany to Brailia in Romania was an economic/logistical development area for both the Austro-Hungarian Empire/Austria and The Kaiser Reich/ Weimar Germany/ Third Reich.
From 1991 onwards both Austria and Germany attempted to return Danubia including Czechoslovakia, into their spheres of influence by funding and facilitating the development of Danubia on the demise of “The Socialist block”, the second stage being envisaged as developing riverine connections through the Rhine and Maas to Rotterdam.
The choke point of the Danube has always been at the Iron Gates with the former Yugoslavia on the right bank and Romania on the left bank.
From inception in 1949 the purpose of NATO has always been to keep “America”, constitued as an increasing subsumption of Canada into “The United States of America”, in, Germany down, and “The Soviet Union”/Russia out, ergo NATO was one of the tools which included/includes the EEC/EU, to control “Europe” through cooperation by coercion, facilitated by certain classes in Europe’s fears of the barbarians trying to steal their rice bowls, sometimes known as “freedom”.
From 1991 until 1997 “The United States of America” were concentrating on their attempted colour revolutions in the former “Soviet Union” which in large part were frustrated by “locals and their increasing number of associates” thereby facilitating an acceleration of the ongoing transcendence of “The Soviet Union” by the CIS/Russian Federation, and further frustrations of the attempted colour revolutions primarily in/by/through the Russian Federation.
Consequently “The United States of America”, sometimes known as NATO, began to focus on Danubia as facilitating additional opportunities of controlling “Europe”.
Hence the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999 was not solely targeted at Serbia, but included bombing of the Danube north of the Iron Gates to frustrate the attempted developments/spheres of influence of Austria and Germany, with the Netherlands as potential junion partners, as had been the case from 1900 to 1945, who sometimes as consortia subsequently “won” the consolation prize of involvement in reduced development plans for Danubia “managed” through the European Commision’s PHARE “aid” programmes, with a reminder that after all “Germany didn’t win the Cold War”.
Henry Rech says
Could be the Russians.
Pipelines aren’t that difficult to repair so when the sanctions are eventually lifted they can recommence resupply.
So long term, the Russians don’t lose anything.
However, by rupturing the pipelines and venting the pressurized line pack gas in them they prevent Germany from having access to a limited but useful supply of gas stored in the pipelines. This gas would have been a welcome addition to its stockpiles. Not any more. Contributing to the pressure on Germany to break with the US.
Russia can then spread stories about the US being responsible for the damage to the pipelines and undermining its ally Germany.
Larry Johnson says
You have zero experience in this. Just picking up your troll bucks?
Henry Rech says
By the way Larry, you are welcome to call me a dickhead anytime, however, one thing I am not, is on anybody’s payroll.
I think it is pathetic that you resort to calling people who disagree with you trolls.
Larry Johnson says
Your comments fit the pattern of a troll. You do not seek a genuine dialogue. For example, you ignore the evidence in my latest piece and right off the bat blame Russia. Yet, you do not offer up one shred of evidence. That is what a troll does.
Bill Osborne Jr says
Russia could just turn the valves off no need to blow up the pipelines. I doubt that the residual gas in the pipelines would amount to much. If it did then Germany would have drained Nordstrom 1 while waiting for its turbines to be serviced.
How long will it take to repair blown up under sea pipelines? Much longer than it would take Russia to re-open valves and turn on the compressors. Whoever did this is no friend of Germany.
Yep, blaming the Russians for damaging the Nord Stream lines is about as ‘credible’ as accusing the Russians of attacking that nculear power plant with missiles whilst their own troops were guarding it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the special forces from my country (UK) were involved in this in some way.
It takes the fuzziest of fuzzy logic to think Russia was involved. They spent a lot of time, effort, and money on this. If they don’t want any gas to transit the line, then they will just not send any gas down it from the source point in Russia. Not exactly rocket science.
If I follow this ‘logic’, I would smash my television with a hammer when I wanted to turn it off as apposed to simply switching the power off.
” a troll”
Your previous thanks to contributors and trolls was wiser.
Even wiser still is that “trolls” and “enemies of the people” are opportunities so try not to shoot them, but use them as assets in practices of “education through their work.” facilitated by your silence, although given your probable socialisation this may prove difficult, but probably less difficult than it was for “The Bolsheviks” whom were in part socialised by Narodnaya Volya ?
Can I also call you a dickhead, as you are.
Larry is the owner of this site, you are the troll.
Henry Rech says
So going by your name, I am a genius.
Very generous of you.
Henry Rech says
It is all conjecture based on circumstantial events.
It takes nothing to pull this fact from here and that fact from there and cobble them into any narrative you want to suit your prejudices.
And can you have a sensible dialogue in this place when all any can say is call you a troll? As plenty have done. Even the paid trolls. My only sin is that I don’t blather on with the standard anodyne narratives that are offered up in just about every comment.
And if you (that is you) respond it is with two word sentences. Is that a dialogue?
It works both ways.
As I say, I am happy to be called a dickhead but a two word sentence is disrespectful. Better to say nothing or call me a dickhead and be done with it.
another steve says
You did say could be.
I thought it was quite a reasonable idea. It may not be correct but you weren’t claiming it was.
As you alluded to, its all smoke and mirrors anyway. Nuland may have given the game away though.
What a crew these Americans have.
Aria Yves Poetry says
Henry Rech, you ask “what evidence?” — Larry has provided statements made by various “players” and presented a scenario based on these.
You mention that Larry cobbles facts into any narrative he wants to suit his prejudices. I’ve read your comments on previous posts of Larry’s and noticed that you do this exact thing in your defense of the Kiev Regime even when it’s quite clear that you’re missing a large chunk of information to provide a balanced viewpoint. Judging from you regular contribution to the comment section it appears obvious that you watch a lot of Pro-Ukrainian and western media sources.
FYI: It’s contradictory to ask “what evidence” but then at the same time saying “It takes nothing to pull this FACT from here and that FACT from there”.
FACT is the truth about events as opposed to interpretation. It is a thing that is known or proved to be true.
There is only one fact that you need to concern yourself with….. mainstream media and the Kiev propaganda machine are withholding the truth about whats happening in Ukraine. FACT: You are being lied to!
Henry Rech says
Exactly. I’m not saying it’s the truth.
It’s an hypothesis.
Does it have any value?
How would you rationalize it away?
Henry Rech says
“…in your defense of the Kiev Regime …”
I believe Putin had no justification to embark on a course of wholesale destruction and murder – not just Ukrainians but Russians also, civilians and military.
“Judging from you regular contribution to the comment section it appears obvious that you watch a lot of Pro-Ukrainian and western media sources. ”
You can rest assured I consume a range of media. I endeavour to listen to all opinions. So stop the stereotypical nonsense.
“FYI: It’s contradictory to ask “what evidence” but then at the same time saying “It takes nothing to pull this FACT from here and that FACT from there”.”
It might sound that way when you have deliberately and conveniently truncated and juxtaposed my words the way you have. The statements that Larry quoted might be facts but the conclusions he draws could just as easily be bullshit. I’m not saying it is – but Larry just made it up. He makes a giant leap from quotes to conclusion. He deserves and Olympic medal.
“FACT is the truth about events as opposed to interpretation. It is a thing that is known or proved to be true.”
Sure, a fact is one thing, a conclusion is something else altogether. You accept it because it suits your narrative and prejudices. Fine with me.
“There is only one fact that you need to concern yourself with….. FACT: You are being lied to!”
FACT? – just your opinion.
Lied to? – maybe, more than likely. But of course in your narrative, the Russians are as innocent as the angels.
We lack objective evidence–acoustic signatures from vessels/drones in the area; chemical residue from an explosive (which for obvious reasons may be virtually impossible to detect in any case); or even a random eyewitness (a Danish fisherman who just happened to be in the area and saw an unmanned vehicle with the markings of ‘country X’ bobbing about on the surface, e.g.–an even more unlikely scenario, to be sure).
Without such evidence to indicate who damaged NS-1 and -2, it’s impossible to create a set of well-supported premises upon which to engage in deductive reasoning. That leaves inductive reasoning as a less satisfactory toolset, of which however the very useful question ‘cui bono?’ is part.
‘Cui bono?’ Certainly not the Germans, for obvious reasons. Nor, as Gonzola Lira pithily asserted, is it likely to be the Russians.
Why? An intact NS-1/-2 benefit the Russians precisely because it provides leverage for diplomacy. Russia did not jeopardize gas supplies to Germany at the start of the SMO–Germany itself did via her sanctions and seizures of Russian assets–and Russia has consistently asserted since that time that it is ready and able to fulfil its contractual obligations.
Therefore, an intact set of pipelines benefits Russia–she can deliver gas upon demand (gaining good profit and goodwill by doing so) or she can turn the spigot ‘righty-tighty’ as Lira stated, cutting all gas flow as and when her geopolitical interests dictate she should do so. Russia not only has no ‘overt’ reason to destroy the pipelines, but every reason not to. Granted, she could have engaged in a ‘false-flag’ operation to discredit the US, or Poland, but why? What benefit would accrue from doing so when Russia already holds the winning hand in Ukraine and the EU is showing increasing internal stresses? I don’t discount the possibility of a ‘false-flag’–there is of course a non-zero probability that Russia committed one–but based upon my assessment of Russia’s geo-strategic position I rate the probability as ‘very low’.
So who benefits? There are several possibilities. I won’t speculate further; my point was that Russia is most probably not among the actors who might stand to gain from such an act.
Just my thoughts. I hope you find them useful, and enjoy your Wednesday!
Henry Rech says
“….and Russia has consistently asserted since that time that it is ready and able to fulfil its contractual obligations. ”
And Germany has consistently declaimed its support for the Ukraine, that it is sticking with the alliance and refuses to break the sanctions.
“What benefit would accrue from doing so when Russia already holds the winning hand in Ukraine and the EU is showing increasing internal stresses?
Germany is probably the weak point. So go for the weak point. Wedge the US and Germany.
If Putin is winning why is he risking the destabilization much elevated internal dissent and anger bring with the mobilization?
Why does he need 100,000s of extras?
Putin is desperate for a win. He has to push for finality before it all blows up in his face.
Weakening the western alliance is top of list.
Why would the US risk breaking the alliance?
If the alliance collapses the US may as well retreat home and pull up the drawbridge. (Maybe that’s what it wants?)
The idea that the US would risk this is as dumb as Larry saying the US wants war with Russia at the same time arguing that the US is not prepared for war with Russia. Both of those propositions cannot exist in the same logical space. And to say the US is stupid, is stupid and a cop out.
Well dickhead, you’re welcome.
It’s good when a man knows his place in life, well done for finding your niche as a dickhead.
Alex Thrace says
So Henry, did Ukraine have the right to inflict wholesale death and destruction on the Donna’s republics as they have been killing civilians there for 8 years. Do they have the right to amass an invasion force on the border?
William Quick says
“How would you rationalize it away?”
Occam’s Razor. Of all the possibilities, yours is by far the least straightforward.
If it’s true you do this for free, that’s very sad. And It’s obvious why: You’re so bad at it, even those simpletons at CIA might balk at wasting cash on you.
Instead of rapturing the pipeline in three places Gazprom could have switched it off, the same result, more to the point, Russia could have used the functioning pipeline as a leverage to have some of the sanctions lifted if the coming Winter were to turn harsh, the Germans or the Europeans needed more gas.
It’s totally insane to think the sabotage is a Russian job, it’s has all the hallmarks of the American/British secret services, the Sikorsky tweet confirms it, the tweet isn’t accidental, it’s a part of the sabotage, the Americans want the world to know they blew the pipeline to humiliate the Russians, who have to swallow it, it’s to show the world who’s the top dog still.
You seem to possess the brain of a twat not to see it.
Mike D. says
I know it is not scientific but I recall Neuland
spewing back when biolabs were in news. She
struck me as a compulsive liar with “Who me?”
attitude. There are videos from Nuremburg in which some(not all) of the accused sounded and acted like her. For what it is worth.
Concur Larry. Thanks.
Henry Rech says
You haven’t posted a much earlier comment of mine rescinding the idea that the pipeline might contain gas to significantly shore up Germany’s stocks. As noted in my earlier unposted comment, after having calculated the volume of the four pipelines, the potential volume is minuscule.
However, that does not of itself negate the value of the hypothesis that Russia blew up the pipelines so that it could have its propaganda machine put the blame on the US with the aim of driving a wedge between the US and Germany.
The pipelines are of no use to Russia as Germany has shown no sign of breaking with the sanctions. So it uses them in another way.
Please explain why this hypothesis has no value. How would you rationalize it away? I haven’t presented any evidence to this effect other than the potency of the logic.
Top Gum says
Stop “bothering” people with you far fetched ideas. We all appreciate each others analysis and opinions. They way you act on everyone who is not sharing your views points to a troll. So, get your act together and don’t ask for clarification on any tiny detail that you find not enough from your own personal point of view. We are not here to teach others how to find a common ground or explain to them how things generally work in the real world. That behavior I personally find disruptive, as it directs away from the topic and again is a clear sign of a troll-like behavior.
Also don’t get upset when people see your behavior as that of a (paid) troll. It is how you present yourself here, so accept it or change your behavior to be more open minded and not so much aggressive-defensive about other peoples criticism of your own “ideas” and views. Got it?
Henry Rech says
Gratutitous advice and prejudice seem to go together.
I am reactive, I admit, but there’s a lot of bullshit and mindless droning to react to. 🙂
Anna Zimmerman says
I’m replying to an earlier comment of yours:
“I believe Putin had no justification to embark on a course of wholesale destruction and murder – not just Ukrainians but Russians also, civilians and military.”
I’m assuming that you must be a pacifist, if you do not recognise that nations ever have legitimate grounds to launch a war of self-defence.
If you are indeed a pacifist, why are you hanging around on this blog? You must know that your frame of reference is not only beyond that of the other contributors, but utterly beyond that of normal people, who understand that sometimes one must fight in order to defend what is sacred – the survival of one’s loved ones, and one’s culture in the face of escalating attacks from an irrationally hostile enemy.
I don’t know where you live, but I sincerely hope that you are never put in the position where you must depend on being defended by people with your mindset.
Henry Rech says
Yes, I can understand where you are coming from.
You may also believe the Russian propaganda about Nazis in Ukraine.
Just about every country on the planet has its share of Nazis, Russia included.
And of course, Ukraine was responsible for the appalling pogroms of the early 20th century.
I live in a country (Australia) which has been largely free from external aggression although my parents came from a country (Italy) which experienced the precariousness of life under the Nazi occupation towards the end of the War. So I have some sense of it.
Many Ukrainians hate the Russians, given their oppression by the Soviets. They have long memories of the Holodomor famine, “managed” by the NKVD, which killed millions of Ukrainians.
“… the survival of one’s loved ones, and one’s culture in the face of escalating attacks from an irrationally hostile enemy.”
Ukrainians could fully empathize with the sentiments expressed in your comment.
We can hate all we like. It doesn’t solve much.
Alex Thrace says
The easy answer is that Russia has no need to damage the pipeline. They control the gas supply and can turn it on or off at will. That puts them in the most powerful position.
With the pipeline out of service that power is lost.
It makes no sense and reduces Russia options.
There is a set of switches and pushbuttons wholly under Russia control.
When it starts getting very cold in Germany Russia now has leverage.
Who do you think doesn’t want Russia to have that leverage?
Especially since Biden and Nuland basically already promised to do it!
Use your head.
This happened directly after the nationalist victory in Italy. The globalists see a nationalist uprising worldwide and cannot have it. The vaccines failed and cannot be used for control so war is the only option left. It really is as simple as that.
The Russians have already been destroying food and fuel factories in the U.S.A. The only question remains who is going to be left standing the US and Western Europe or China and Russia to take us to global dictatorship.
“Russia blew up the pipelines so that it could have its propaganda machine put the blame on the US…”
All I ever hear about is the weakness of the Russian PR/ propaganda effort, from both sides of this conflict, and it seems to be the one truth on which both sides agree. So please forgive me if I am skeptical of the idea that the Russians would sabotage these pipelines with the intention of having their “propaganda machine” pin the blame on the US.
The Russians are well aware of their limitations in propaganda warfare and would never make any military or clandestine operation dependent upon propaganda winning the day for them.
And don’t try to sell me on maskirovka. This is not at all how maskirovka works.
–The idea of residual gas was hare-brained, indeed.
–The idea that Russia is not losing anything and that pipelines are easy to repair is not factual. Seawater will get in and ruin the pipes … it is very questionable if the pipes would ever be able to be repaired, particularly under the circumstances.
–Russia does not need an excuse to NOT ship gas … it already has the perfect excuse with Germany not using NS2 and not servicing NS1.
–And why would Russia even need an excuse if it is ‘weaponizing’ energy as everybody claims. FYI, European companies and municipalities are suing their governments for permission to continue their contracts … obviously b/c they are still getting gas, and have no bids on tenders, which, if they existed, would increase costs by 1-12×
–Russia has never threatened to blow up its own assets. Any leverage they have consists in turning the as on/off, not scuttling the possibility entirely. Putin has made it clear that they will continue to deliver gas to paying customers who have contracts, and that the Germans are free to open NS2 to bypass NS1 and get the gas they need.
–All in all, your suggestion seems disingenuous and contrived, especially without any new facts to support it.
Jack Gordon says
I think it’s past time to realize that Henry Rech is a Ukiebot with no object beyond harassment and interrupting conversation. The Kiev regime is not winning, in fact cannot win, on the ground so it invests its energy almost completely in mendacious propaganda hoping to thus keep American money flowing its way. Henry and others like him are essential to that effort. They do their part either for gain or — more likely — because they’re useful idiots, the latter being Henry’s case I suspect. However this may be, Henry and other Ukie lapdogs and lickspittles simply aren’t worth the effort and time necessary to counter the Mt. Everest of bullshit they’re prepared to shovel our way. They are simply not honest brokers.
The Swiss says
You sound like one of the typical MSM users: Anyone who is not in favour of Western war policies must be a Putinist.
Pardon – whoever criticises thinks along.
One reason why the West is sinking more and more into the Ukraine morass is this inability to perceive criticism as constructive. Criticism is always “treason” – that’s what fascists and Stalinists thought…
As long as someone doesn’t call people names or spread open lies, everyone – even a dissenter – should be respected.
Otherwise we are on the same level as the MSM consumers…
That makes no sense. You’re saying that Moscow would deliberately destroy one of the major things that gives it leverage over Europe? Nah.
Look at the map. The damage is all at the non-Russian end. Why would Putin risk such an operation in waters right near NATO countries, when he could just blow the pipes up on Russian soil? Makes no sense.
You’re wrong. This isn’t a Russian op.
And you know pipelines that are flooded by seawater are easy to repair based on your long history in the oil and gas industry? Bull –
Of course you probably never heard of this thing called Google (or . . . actual facts would bomb your narrative).
And, why the hell would Russia ever want to sell gas to “clients” who dont pay.
Top Gum says
Yeah, that is why Russia wants a detailed investigation on that. It is more obvious that Poland or the US did this, Ukraine has no means to pull a stand like that. US wanted to stop NS2 and Biden himself stated that publicly. They also had ships in this exact area at that time too. It’s also very suspicious that this fact is being not mentioned by the media at all.
Poland wants to put more pressure on Germany (for different reasons) and disabling especially NS2 will strengthen their position by a lot, as they are now a hub for Norwegian gas. Germany definitely has a big problem now. As of yesterday they are completely cut off from direct Russian gas access. Now they are dependent on countries like Ukraine and Poland to use their pipelines. Like the article states, this was nothing but a declaration of war against Germany by the US and their vassals. Who of them exactly did it is not that important from Germany’s perspective. They have been played and they will not survive this. Without sufficient and affordable gas Germany’s economy will fold like a cheap ikea chair.
But yes, blame Russia for everything. Seems to me you are on a mission here.
Henry Rech says
“Seems to me you are on a mission here.”
And you are not?
I can’t believe the idiocy of people commenting here.
So the West is run by a mob of neoliberal/neocon/globalists – I would say yes to that. (Deep state? – nothing deep about it – it’s there in our faces.)
OK – let’s jettison the globalists.
So now what do we do?
We jump into bed with a bunch of fascists – Putin and Xi (in fact there’s a crescent of them from Vladivostok to the Dniper).
From frying pan into the fire.
Anna Zimmerman says
If you had a shred of credibility left, you would have lost it with that inane comment about ‘fascists’. Please study some history and learn to distinguish differences between political systems.
Henry Rech says
Fascism – autocratic/totalitarian kleptocratic state which summarily, brutally puts down dissent and opposition, coupled with oligopoly capitalism.
Perfectly describes Russia and China.
Top Gum says
Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, both are targeted by the ruling US regime (former too) for disclosing the truth about the US true agenda in committing brutal crimes against civilians in conflict zones and breaking local laws by spying on their own population. US is therefore also a fascist state.
Same goes for every other west country. Take Germany for example. They brutally suppress their true political opponents by openly calling them nazis, by opening phony criminal cases on any wrongdoing of theirs and publicly attacking them on any occasion which is partly forbidden by Germany law, like when they publicly say that people who vote for them are also nazis (voter intimidation). Germany especially targets everyone that is not following the given political narrative and has a notable social role or broad public basis. It goes for journalists / freelancers reporting from the Donbass or in a recent case of a man who went there as an observer to the referendum. Therefore also Germany is a fascist state.
You see my point? You only see what you wanna see. We can play that game until one of us gets really bored. All that finger pointing at Russia and China is useless. The west is at least as much involved in shady and criminal wrongdoing as you accuse the other side to be. In my opinion the west does more bad things than others and we can see that when we look at the recent history. You certainly remember what men like the ex-CIA director Mr. Pompeo did state in public in his “we lie, we cheat, we steal” remark. And they still do it, like in Syria. But you don’t talk about that or point to that. Same goes for the MSM, as they simply ignore all bad things their masters do and only point out the bad things (often lies) of their chosen enemies. This is systematic … we call it agenda.
There is, so to speak, no good or bad opinion. There are only opinions and they may differ from each other, when we (maybe purposely) ignore some obvious and sometimes even fundamental historical facts, just to emphasize some arguments. Throwing bad words at some people/nations and ignoring the rest doesn’t look good … believe me. This also goes for diverting discussions just for the purpose of casting off some crafty statements which don’t belong there in the first place. Again, if you don’t like to be seen as a troll, don’t act as one. People are only saying what they think and you clearly come of as a really bugging fella 🙂
Alex Thrace says
No Henry, it is point for point description of the US and the EU.
Top Gum says
people in here share their own thoughts on the topics presented by the host. The key word here is “share”. You are clearly on a mission to p**s everyone off, by putting provocative comments on “the idiocy of people commenting here”. That is how **you** see people not sharing your fairly propagandist and obviously far fetched ideas about who to blame for what is going on in the world. You are not capable of exchanging views but rather on engaging everyone as an enemy, demanding “evidence” and clarifying common knowledge or simple facts just to put more distraction to arguments you can’t fight/win. If you can’t see the facts and the evidence that is your own problem. You won’t be able to change peoples opinions or their conclusions based on known/available info, in here either. That is not how it works. We simply state our views and accept the other one that may differ from ours. Occasionally we learn new views and facts to consider them further. You don’t see people here demanding evidence or to accept someone else’s opinion as the “only” truth. You are the one that tells people they are basically wrong, they should “get real” or present “evidence” to you. This is how so called trolls generally work and you are one tricky case, that disguises himself as an morally self-righteous holder of the “truth” by your “own” definition. You are simply bothering the hell out of people, which again is what trolls usually do. You see people as “idiots” you get picked up for a discussion. Don’t use words like “truth” and “evidence” in your posts like people owe it to you. This already disqualifies you as someone who really wants to have a sound discussion.
BTW, Mr. Putin is not a fascist. For that you have to take a look at the Ukrainian regime of puppets and especially their master. You already lost that conversation to me, stating that Russia did a move on Ukraine, while they simply acted on Ukraine moving on Donbass.
Dumping your agenda on every topic in here is your mission, I guess. Calling one side fascist while the other has a clear world record of backstabbing/killing/robbing people and countries for decades, shows already what you are up to. That is why I call it “bothering” others. And that is why trolls are usually ignored. They get bored and starve when people don’t fall for their provocations. But be aware that this is an public forum and everything you write in here tells everyone else, who is reading, who you are, simply by seeing how you engage with others. It’s permanent and everyone can see and decide who’s who.
The topic discussed here is about the sabotage of gas pipelines and who could be behind it. You are again on Mr. Putin and now even Mr. Xi, labeling them both as fascist. You don’t like them, fine with me … but seriously, don’t hijack topics to dump your own hateful agenda. We all get it. Do you?
Henry Rech says
Yes, I have been intemperate.
However, I don’t appreciate being told I am a troll on someone’s payroll.
Henry Rech says
And I would like to add that I apologize for the use of the word “idiots”.
Putin and Xi = fascists
Ukraine (since 2014) = democracy and freedom
Well. People believe what they want to believe. And if they want to believe something, they switch off their brains if necessary. That’s just the way it is.
And of course one lies there only too gladly with this Ukraine in the bed. The “master people” or “indispensable people” had neither before nor after 45 too much fear of contact with the same brown nomenklatura …
And just by the way: Xi as well as Putin, would push you and everyone else respectively from the edge of the bed. This follows from a key term: “sovereignty”, which one claims for oneself and moreover expects from everyone else … but now it may already be too difficult for him …
Anna Zimmerman says
It seems that I cannot reply to the specific comment on this blog, so this is in response to what you said earlier:
“You may also believe the Russian propaganda about Nazis in Ukraine.
Just about every country on the planet has its share of Nazis, Russia included.”
I know it is not mere propaganda, because unlike the vast majority of the population of the world (and probably many people contributing to this comment section) I have been following what has been going on in Ukraine for a very long time. Clearly you have not, or you would not lump the very real phenomenon of state aiding and abetting of unabashed Nazis together with the sporadic problem of fringe loons that you get in most countries.
They are not at all the same phenomenon.
In Ukraine, there is a very detailed and well documented unbroken lineage from Bandera, Stetsko, Lebed and their cohorts all the way to the present day. This was made possible by extensive funding and cultivation of various Nazi groups by NATO, in order to facilitate terrorist activities on Soviet territory – an early form of the policy that later backfired in Afghanistan. By the time we get to the present day, the tactic of using Nazis as shock troops and enforcers to instigate chaos and regime change was well established, and this was to prove essential in order to engineer the 2014 coup. Without the Nazi enforcers who created the chaos and violence on the ground, including the shooting of both protesters and police, the coup simply would not have been possible. After the coup, this was implicitly acknowledged by the appointment of high-ranking Nazis into key positions in the government and army – even though they did not have major electoral support.
Since then the situation has only worsened, with the various Nazi battalions being extensively armed and trained by the West – which is only a repeat of an old policy. Moreover, Ukraine is the only army in the world which has officially incorporate openly Nazi battalions within its ranks. They have been at the forefront of the persecution of Donbass Russians even since the coup, used as such due to their ideologically-driven hatred, whereas the ordinary Ukrainian soldier might be expected to have more scruples.
In recent years, there has been a deliberate, state-funded policy of stoking ethnic hatred towards Russians amongst the ordinary Ukrainian population, including the provision of vile Nazi propaganda in Ukrainian schools across the country. I have seen these materials and they are quite disgusting. There can be little doubt that the money to print and distribute them came from the West.
None of this is conjecture – it is well documented. There is a plethora of evidence to prove it, including reports from Western institutions and academics. You might like to deny it, but that would only make you look like the kind of fool who carefully protects their smattering of superficial knowledge rather than staying open to fresh ideas.
Henry Rech says
“…used as such due to their ideologically-driven hatred…”
I don’t think it is that simple.
Many Ukrainians hate Russians and will not forgive past transgressions.
The Russians have never stopped fighting both world wars.
I can understand this. Anybody can understand this.
However, you clearly support the murder and wholesale destruction Putin is responsible for.
You give way to your deeply held feelings .
What will happen is that all parties will be reinforced and hardened in their hatreds.
Hardly a recipe for peaceful co-existence.
John Helmer, at “Dances with Bears” [www.johnhelmer.org], has named Poland as culprit (US backed) in the the sabotage of the pipelines. He points to a political, as well as economic, angle.
Henry Reich , the resident hasbara assigned to sonar21
paid to lie and post western narrative on sonar21
classic hasbara 101 , he will ruin the comment section by posting endless FUD and forcing ppl who got caught in his troll net to waste time explaining things to him
From what I read, this “accident” will be difficult to repair. Seawater has gotten into the pipes, and so on. It may take years to repair. And again, if Russia wanted to shut off the gas, they would have just shut off the valves in Russia.
“Could be Russians”
With this logic could be the Indonesians or Indians or Albanese guys.
What is the evidence?
You ignore lot of evidences pointed to USA:
Biden & Nuland ferms declarations before the conflict
Declasified documents from CIA showing USA, in Regan period, approved and conducted sabotages on gas pipelines in former USSR, so a precedent.
No example in history were Russia or USSR had done a sabotage act on gas pipelines.
A very inform polish stateman congratulating USA after the pipelines explosions.
Protests in Germany wanting to put in operation NS1&2.
Where are evidences pointing on Russians?
Following your (obvious) propaganda I am sure the Northcoreans did blowup NS1&2. They want to help USA to sold more LNG in Europe.
Underwater pipelines can be repaired, but it is difficult and the firms that could do it would break sanctions. The problem is corrosion. How are you going to protect the exposed metal of your repair?
Speaking of which, this line is now full of sea water. It’s corroding every minute. I don’t think these lines will ever restart.
you are a MORON troll.at least put some effort into your nonsense and make it plausable.
Sorry Henry, but “I believe Putin had no justification to embark on a course of wholesale destruction and murder – not just Ukrainians but Russians also, civilians and military”?
Putin has 8 years of genocide against Russian people in Dombass, as well many evidences of chemical labs creating/testing products to put in risk not only the Russians but the entire world. I even did mention the Nazifascism spread in Ukraine, something that has already killed millions in the 20th century.
Thor Odinson says
The pipelines must remain pressurized to counter-act the immense pressure of the sea water column above them. The gas is not just “sitting there” waiting to be used, nor can the pipelines simply be drained and the existing gas siphoned off.
Think of the water pipes in your house, but with 10 times the internal water pressure of a house pipe in order to prevent the external weight of the ocean water from collapsing it like a tin can. Then blow a hole in it.
Rupturing the pipelines causes extensive damage that is not easily or quickly repaired. And with the open threat of another attack at any time, there is no point in repairing the pipelines.
Cui Bono? Or said another way, Who suffers? Germany.
All possible discussion of resuming delivery of Russian gas this winter is now impossible.
chris a says
Everything I read says they are very difficult to repair. Salt water has entered and displaced gas, corrosion will result, requiring longer stretches to be replaced, to name one.
Gunny HiWay says
I agree with Larry. They must pay you to post such tripe.
Russia spent over a decade and BILLIONS of RUBLES to build those pipelines in the hope that their energy may thaw the lousy relations with Germany that were created by the USA.
The USA is the only nation to “gain” anything from this sabotage.
This is ALL the USA being terrorists like we have been for 100 years worldwide.
190 military bases spread around the globe, never ending war somewhere, and all on OUR TAX MONEY!
I am sick of it and sick of GOV-TROLLS like you.
Pipelines under deep salt water are *not* easy to repair. The damage will take months to repair. In hostile territory. Just over a year ago, Polish military attacked Russian workers as they were in final stages of building. Russian military drove the Poles off.
“Pipelines aren’t that difficult to repair so when the sanctions are eventually lifted they can recommence resupply.” They aren’t “easy” to repair at depth in the Baltic Sea.
These are seamed welded on the deck of a ship, where the weld seam can be preheated and kept within proper welding parameters. Then lowered into position. How that is performed to repair sections, in winter, in artic temp conditions, I am not certain, perhaps would require lifting back onto deck of same special ship. The freezing water prevents welding it in place: must be preheated before welding. These are high pressure pipes. B31.3 standard.
Then the pipeline will need to be pigged with a clean pig, removing all salt water, then the smart pig to perform QA on repaired sections…then pressure testing with inert gas…then put back in use. Figure no sooner than 10 months if they start right now…with all necessary material and equipment…which they do not have readily available. This NG…you do not mess around…when it blows? It is deadly. Welds must be 100% flawless.
And there is zero chance the EU can erect the necessary LNG terminals to receive the amount of LNG from overseas sources to power Europe in less than 5-10 years, with EU regs and the time it takes to erect LNG tanks.
Blowing up the pipeline removes all of Russia’s leverage over the EU: why would Russia do that? Only the US-UK regimes benefit.
Looks like the dumbass Biden administration did.
Will we ever know for sure who perpetrated this act of sabotage? Poland and Ukraine are both prime suspects, but one thing is certain: It would not have gone forward without US approval, if not outright logistical support. Over at the Duran, the guys are speculating that the US did the job itself in an effort to foreclose any possibility of Germany cutting a separate natural gas deal with Russia, which would likely spell the end of the western coalition. Though that may seem like a rather extreme level of backstabbing, the US has done worse things in the past.
10 to 1 says
As the Roman philosopher Seneca once said, “the one who derives advantage from a crime is the one most likely to have committed it.”
John Q. Publick says
And as the great LA philosopher (and league bowler) The Dude, or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you’re not into the whole brevity thing once quipped, “It’s like what Lenin said… you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh…”
“I am the walrus.”
Brian O. says
It is hard to understand how much these people hate one another. They are like kids that learned to hate when they were children and never snapped out of it. These kids play with flamethrowers. Do they have degrees of hatred depending on the game board?
Deutschland has just been dealt a hand from a stacked deck. Their best friends have doomed them to collapse without energy. It is looking like they believed new nazi’s when they said they would have their back. That’s where they put the knife.
A compelling analysis I think. The Poles certainly have motive. And the Americans, also. Of course, it is slow motion suicide for Europe to cut itself off from Russian resources, which aren’t just LNG. As Russia develops a new customer base around the world, beyond Europe, the pipeline, which isn’t operational anyway, is less important–and at the same time, these new markets will absorb other Russian resources. American industry IS benefiting from the failure of German industry but that is short term since the US doesn’t really have the industrial base it once did. If nobody buys BMWs, who benefits? Toyota, of course. If no one buys Siemens electronics? The Koreans and Chinese benefit. A global recession? Russia has been preparing for THAT for a long time.
Its really not slow motion suicide anymore. But the CIA neocon scum doesn’t know how economics works. The EU as a whole is a bigger US tsy bond buyer and holder than China or Japan. So the US just shot one of its biggest external creditors in the head. The US already has inflation and bad bond auctions. Wait till they see how well their auction goes when the entire EU fails to make one bid
Plan was to decide to cancel their own debt.
This move is extremely stupid. This will drive a wedge between the EU and the US. Hopefully it will lead to the end of NATO.
Exactly. Russia could not have dreamt of a better gift. Already the internet is aflame with Austrian and German outrage. Beyond stupid — plus the incredible damage to their holier than thou “open democracy” rule of law image. Nothing in my life time compares except there may be things we never learned about but I doubt it. We as a country have dramatically gone downhill since about the time of Obama. And it is accelerating — Trump raid — that idiotic scene from hell back drop to Biden’s speech in Philadelphia. We are being run by school children now
Robert Lindsay says
Germans and Austrians angry? Who are they blaming, if anyone. TIA.
What’s up with rumors that USS Kearsarge was steaming around there a while back?
But… I believe, though, that if stealth was that important, a submarine or other submersible is the better choice. Divers.
drone(s) would be my bet
Gunny HiWay says
The Kearsarge was in the area with it’s nav turned off.
It is an AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT VEHICLE and is totally capable of launching every submersible that we have in inventory and was designed to do just that for Seal teams and Spec Ops.
It’s sister ship, The Bonhomme Richard burned to the waterline 2 years ago in San Diego after some queer crewman melted down over a dissed lover.
Brad Patton says
Either way Biden/Nuland and USA caused it. There was great footage of Nuland with an evil grin saying Nordstream 2 would be dealt with ditto potato head himself Biden. Kind of a dangerous move right now with WWIII not some joke. These people don’t care they are on the moral high ground with their progressive woke climate jihad.
Ever wondered what kind of foreign aid the US gives? It goes for roads bridges irrigation projects small business help and maybe some health care and primary education projects right? Wrong. I copied the following from the USAID.gov site:
1) RESTORE U.S. CLIMATE LEADERSHIP $6.3 BILLION
2) PROMOTE DEMOCRACY AND EQUITY INCLUDES FIGHTING DIGITAL REPRESSION =(FIGHTING MISINFORMATION)
3) MORE THAN DOUBLE OUR COMMITMENT TO WOMEN’S EMPOWERMENT $2.4 BILLION
4) PROVIDES $6.5 BILLION IN ADDITIONAL MANDATORY PANDEMIC PREPAREDNESS FUNDING.
5) REVITALIZE OUR WORKFORCE (MORE IMMIGRATION) $2.9 BILLION
Tucker Carlson had the footage of Biden and Nuland talking about shutting down Nordstream. See my link above.
10 to 1 says
Of course, the Polish leadership has forgotten how Poland treaty its German minority population, which it gained after Germany was castrated and divided up after WW1. It was this treatment which help drive the decision by Germany to invade Poland in WW2.
And the US leadership has failed to learn what America’s founding father, George Washington said in his farewell address, for Americans to set aside their violent likes and dislikes of foreign nations, lest they be controlled by their passions: “The nation which indulges toward another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave.”
Bill Osborne Jr says
How did the Pole burn his face? Bobbing for french fries.
David Collins says
I like hot, fresh french fries, but sheesh…not that fresh.
USN Devgru has the underwater demolition skills & equipment to damage the Nord 1& 2 pipelines. Pipeline only 80 to 100 meters deep. Not sure how deep it is buried.
Virginia Class subs, modified for SEAL use, designed for shallow water/littoral use. Zero surprise if US did it. You’d expect it from a stone cold USA national security interest standpoint. Plus stick one Ukrainian on the boat and you can turn it into a Ukraine Op.
The US military information support operations MISO, or trying to shape the environment (propaganda, distraction) is turbocharged.
It is football season and I think Americans have lost interest in Ukraine. Ha!
Eric Newhill says
Where does Poland get its natural gas? Let’s see. Poland produces only a small amount itself. Over the past decade or so, Poland has obtained 50% of its gas from Russia. Poland is projected to receive enough gas via the new pipeline from Norway to replace Russian imports for Polish internal consumption and then a little extra, but the little extra isn’t anything remotely close to what Germany requires.
So it looks like Germany is in more than in a tough spot. Totally screwed is more like it. It would seem that NATO itself is totally screwed by increasing infighting amongst its member states.
Just wait until the Norwegian pipelines start exploding, from Britain to Poland.
Eric Newhill says
Good one – and a likely one. In what appears to be a developing war of everyone against everyone, I wouldn’t sell these pipeline companies an insurance policy.
It’s almost as if NATO hasn’t thought this through very thoroughly. It’s kind of like the US hasn’t either.
Phil Garber says
Glass houses, stones.
The West is no longer interested in producing commodities. Only fake numbers in a computer. A better move would be to cut all Trans-Atlantic cables…
It wouldn’t even replace Russian gas (~10 bcm) because the EU funding of the project requires gas to be shared with the Baltics. So Poland receives at most 5 bcm from it.
About 25% of US oil production comes from offshore wells, mostly in the Gulf of Mexico. Something to consider if you start attacking energy infrastructure.
How many facilities in the US make artillery shells? (I know the answer.) The US will not win a non-nuke war of attrition.
Motive + Means + Opportunity . . .. . . More False Flags Coming
Corresponding with someone who is much better informed of past events than I, he says:
There is a MAD [Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine] loophole. Russia will definitely counter-attack against any nuclear attack on Russian soil, or even the Donbass, Kherson, and Zaporhyze. But they would not counter attack if there was a nuclear detonation in the far west of Ukraine.
The purpose of a nuclear false flag would be to get the nations that are sitting on the fence to get on board with sanctions, and also to kick Russia off of the UN Security Council.
The USA got hold of a lot of Russian Plutonium back in the 1990s when we “helped” them demilitarize a large segment of their nuclear missiles.
Suppose the [CIA or other demonstrably bad actor(s) known for mounting dozens of false flags around the globe] made a small 15 kiloton nuclear warhead with that Russian plutonium and saved it for a rainy day.
[NOTE: Fission products from nuclear explosions are similar in general, but leave distinctive “fingerprints” in particular. Therefore to falsely pin a nuclear detonation on the Russian Federation, the bomb-grade material must have come from Soviet, or legacy Soviet, or Russian Federation stocks.]
Rain having come, they choose a location near Lviv where Russia has previously struck with Kinzhal missiles. They bury the nuke in a bunker and have a remote detonator and sit 20 miles away, waiting.
Then, they order a weapons shipment, preferably something high value such as HIMARS. They leak it to Russian ears that this shipment will arrive there on such and such date and time. Then park the HIMARS near the nuke and wait for the Kinzhal [hypersonic missile, capable of being armed with conventional or nuclear warhead].
When the Kinzhal arrives, press the detonator and boom, a small mushroom cloud. Pre-positioned cameras catch it all on film, which is immediately leaked to the MSM. Then the MSM screams that Russia nuked Ukraine with a Kinzhal missile. The United Nations General Assembly convenes and the U.S. proposes removing Russia from the Security Council.
That’s the game I think they will play.
I had previously thought that all of the U.S. had obtained Soviet plutonium in the deal in which Russia was also paid to down-grade it from 96%+ to about 4% for blending with our 4% enrichment material for use in our commercial nuclear power plants–a source that contributed between 10% and 20% of our domestic use depending on time and location–until President Obama infuriated the Russian Federation, which refused to renew the program back in 2014. To which my friend responds:
There were many cases of Soviet plutonium being sold on the black market. I expect some was obtained in that way.
Be that as it may, I see the Russian Federation’s Ministry of Defense having every incentive NOT to make first use of a nuclear strike for many reasons. Russia actually has COUNTER-motivations for resorting to nuclear weapons. Among these is that its terrifying hyperbaric weapons–both the tracked multiple-launch TOS-1a unguided rockets, and air-dropped bombs–especially delivered in the rolling barrages that appear to be Russian Army doctrine–are as effective as nuclear explosives while leaving no need to either decontaminate from hazardous fission products, or abandon great swaths of land.
The West’s media and “expert” talking heads consistently refuse to acknowledge–or even deny–that Russia need do little if anything differently from its now-extensively and deeply proven attrition through massively overwhelming artillery barrages. What Russia is doing differently is gradually and systematically adding manpower to what might be thought of as the Ukrainian Eastern Front, reflecting the additional territory that is about to become part of Russia. Russia has shown that it could grind along like it has been doing recently for months, but the latest wisdom I have come across plausibly suggests that Russia wants to wrap things up by Christmas or the New Year.
Various whining wise men have slagged Russia for “failing” to deploy its most advanced systems in support of the Special Military Operation. The truly wise take on this seems to be that extensive reserves of manpower, materiel, and technical capabilities have been carefully held back to meet the hoped-against contingency of having to fight Poland, one or all of the maniac Baltics, or indeed NATO amassed. Given the depth to which NATO members have depleted their arms reserves, open conflict would seem a remote possibility, but then the EU-NATO have become self-destructively unbalanced, at least unless you can think of some other way of describing doubling down on sanctions that have only damaged Europe, probably about as irreparably as committing hara kiri.
Another friend wrote to Texas Senator Ted Cruz asking him to cease enabling, funding, and encouraging the regime in Kyiv, but with a kind of a “Rah’rah” response. It would take a veritable flood of letters before Senator Cruz or anybody else in the Congressional swampland would respond. Such a flood seems like a dubious proposition right now . . .Sincerely, Your friend Cassandra
Nice analysis. Concur.
Bill Osborne Jr says
I agree. Excellent analysis.
Well thought out, thank you.
Canuck Pipes says
Very nice. And yes, why would Russia resort to nuclear weapons when they have a massive arsenal of conventional rounds? The message that Russia is running out may lead to the false flag scenario. This will play to the uninformed (Majority of US pop).
It s odd that the Germans did not see this coming, or their leadership has been severely compromised. They should have realized it would go from bad to worse when it was “et tu Justin” when the turbines were delayed. You know you have very few friends when we stiff you. Many Canadians other than those in the prairie provinces with large Ukrainian pop follow the war and the economic/financial reasons. Exciting times indeed, but I sense that the US is fooling no one when African nations are calling them out now, and the Solomons wants nothing to do with them. What comes around goes around; sometimes it takes decades, but eventually, it happens.
The likelihood of false flag use of WMD has been crossing my mind since the beginning.
The Russians have been going carefully and methodically, avoiding civilian casualties wherever possible, something that is not likely to change quickly.
This attitude is emboldening the neo-Cons, as with this pipeline, who think that Putin does not have the balls to do anything truly risky or brazen, and always sticks to the most conservative options.
South Bird says
I suspect the US has been feeding delusions in Poland about polands greatness, and how the us will make them the greatest economy in Europe, is not going to go down well in both Germany and Poland, in a few years after de industrialization in Germany, Poland is going to find itself carrying the cost of the EU apparatus that Germany used to fund.
with a sad twist this is going to turn some of the German industrial classes against both the US for destroying there business and Poland for taking advantage and potentially driving Germany into much closer association with Russia.
I don’t know where the industrialists will move too, but if the US was such a great place to operate out off don’t you think they would have moved there already? this could be it for companies like BASF, just picking up there entire city and relocating and carrying on is just not practical. if it is to move whole product lines will be shed as they are only ancillary processes of the main industrial unit.
And as to US promises to provide all of Europe’s energy needs, well that’s a sick joke, those are literally empty promises as the US cuts off energy exports when needed to lower internal us prices, and total potential supplies from the US are a fraction of what had previously been supplied.
Its going to be lights out for Europe and Poland will sink with it as it produced parts for the German industrial empire, as the Germans move the poles will find no markets and reduced orders for existing products.
The Rand report might have been fake but it seems that it is playing out with a great deal of synchronicity.
Over a million Poles had jobs in UK another 1mn plus in Germany. Directly and indirectly Poland is dependent on Europe has zero ability to self sustain. Their EU pot will also collapse of Germany goes down. France is already in serious trouble. UK is out of EU (formerly second largest contributor) and Italy is well Italy.
If these major nations go down that little pipeline is not going to do shit for Poland. All the Baltics and Poland die economically with Germany.
That is what makes this so insane.
Merkels choice of von DER leyen, Germanys most unpopular minister, to head the EU was insane at the time and absolutely disasterous for Europe. She is completely fucking nuts. Even that drunkard before her would have been better as he actually cared for Europe.
Tony Blair is now officially advising Liz Truss in UK.
All stars on incompetence wierdos have aligned for those who wanted this war.
Except that the Eastern leaders are not all incompetent. Nor are they over emotional.
Wait another pipeline was just completed today. Blow up the Russian pipeline and control the competition.
Smells fishy anyway.
Band Itkoitko says
From the videos and pictures of the leak, it’s definitely not a whole section of the pipe but just a single location. If teams went ahead straight to fix it, probably it would have been OK once finished. However, the political situation means that this pipeline may not be visited to get fixed for months or years. That essentially means that it is bound to become permanently nonoperational as it loses pressure and is exposed due to the damage. This would probably lead to quick and major deterioration. So now NordStream is literally in a state of “use it or lose it” forever. Europe is about to lose a major peace of its energy infrastructure permanently. Noone will build them a new pipeline after that. It’s done.
Probably Russia can salvage part of the pipeline by redirecting it completely to Kaliningrad, but that’s expensive and not quite justified.
So it seems that the pipeline will end up rotting on the bottom of the sea like a symbol of the rotting of Europe. It’s a monument of dying Europe now.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Not too hard to replace a section of pipe, but for a sub-sea pipeline, it must be done very quickly.
Then to remove the seawater, and to decontaminate the seawater residue and corrosion products is more difficult, and this difficulty increases rapidly the longer the repair is delayed.
And of course, the cut out section of damaged pipe would prove beyond all possible (never mind reasonable) doubt whether the “leaks” were due to pipe or weld failure or external explosion.
HMS Terror says
Poland puts itself at dead centre of the bullseye again. If Poland was a boxer, it would lead with its chin.
100s of years ago, they were smart enough to elect foreign kings to rule them. The last century makes it obvious that the ancients were on to something.
I was thinking the same thing after it became obvious that they were behaving unwisely, but then it occurred to me that it probably takes generations to cultivate a competent ruling class from scratch, preferably during a time of peace. Their current lot seems to be very emotional short time-frame thinkers. It will be very much more difficult, if not impossible, if they allow the norms of American-style corporatist fake democracy to take root.
The internationalists blame nationalism for all the strife, but I think that (1) they just to want rule over and enserf everyone and so desire to suppress all nationalism to prevent collective self-defense, and (2) most problems come from nationalism denied. It is normal human nature for people to want a measure of local self rule ensuring a perpetuation of the investments they make in their own families, communities, and culture. It’s why America’s former federal system worked well for so long before it was destroyed by multiculturalism.
The people who have embraced neo-Nazism in western Ukraine are an example. I think that they want self-rule and to get it they cut a deal with both locally situated internationalist oligarchs (Kolomoisky etc) and their kindred and fellow travelers in the larger globalist movement (Nuland, McCain etc). The wealth (natural resource extraction, industry, quality farmland) in that polity is in the east where live Russians and Russophilic Russophonic Ukrainians who were not interested in being culturally or physically cleansed. The deal was that the western Ukrainians would provide conquest and occupation troops in exchange for funding the trappings of local sovereignty like locally controlled self-defense forces, with training provided through their local oligarch’s globalist contacts in the US. It is looking more unwise with each falling artillery barrage.
All modern wars involving European civilization are started by internationalists attempting to increase their capability to harvest other people’s natural and human resource. Deals cut with these people never end well. Poland would be wise to be cultivating good relations with its actual neighbors rather than dying empires whose ‘brand’ is rapidly becoming “degenerate rogue state.”
Your analysis makes total sense.
Assuming it’s a Polish/US op, it appear to be a direct attack on critical Russian infrastructure and must come close to an act of war against Russia, as well as being state sponsored terrorism and a crime against humanity. If that’s the case, forget Ukraine, we are in new and very frightening territory.
A question arises : assuming you are correct, was DC/Warsaw hoping for plausible deniability ? After all, wouldn’t the smart play be to do as little damage as possible to wreck the pipelines, and to slink away leaving no fingerprints? Or to maybe weaken the pipelines so that the damage happened slowly over time, creating distance between the opening of the Baltic pipeline?
If the aim was to create deniability, something appears to have gone wrong. The damage seems to be devastating. I am ignorant about these things, but is it possible that the Poles/US team screwed up and (say) used too much explosive, causing far more extensive damage than was planned?
On the other hand, it could be that those behind it didn’t want plausible deniability at all and simply don’t care if Moscow knows. Worse, they may want Moscow to know. To me, that would be an act of such recklessness and insanity that it defies belief. But then again, we are talking about the arrogant imbeciles in the Biden administration, so it’s possible.
Wrong target. The perps want the Germans to know and that there is nothing they can do about it (at least while the EU exists).
Bill Osborne Jr says
@Scipio: This insures sky high gas prices going forward. Even selling gas at a discount to market prices will allow Russia to more than compensate for the lost revenues from the Nordstrom pipelines.
It will result in a major loss of Russian leverage with Germany as there is no longer an option to turn the pipelines back on. It is highly unlikely that Russia will repair the pipelines in the current political environment so they will lie unrepaired and rust away requiring complete replacement if the lines are to ever be brought back in service.
Once you realize that the government is out to kill you then everything starts to make sense – Ralph Evans.
“On the other hand, it could be that those behind it didn’t want plausible deniability at all and simply don’t care if Moscow knows. ”
Non practitioners have a misinformed notion of “secrecy” by being non-practitioners.
Secrecy is never an absolute but a function of interactions of time and other facilities of interlocutors.
Hence some would suggest a more illuminating redition of your interpretation would read:
” It could be that those behind it didn’t want plausible deniability at all and simply don’t care WHEN Moscow knows.” since there is no other hand.
As to non-practitioners, they often conflate capturing data-streams with “intelligence/surveillance” and hold that is the key to “intelligence control/ hegemony”, an illusion encouraged/maintained by “intelligence services” with varying vigour – the STASI being the glutton who tried to gobble all the sausages and died from indigestion.
Like the US dollar and “representative democracy” intelligence is mostly an attempted confidence trick.
Look up, waaay up.
The destruction of the Russian gas pipelines is another negative consequence of the SMO! After such a horrific event, I hope the Kremlin quits referring to the west as “partners”! The slow-go SMO gives the west ample time to plan all kinds of provocations, crossing every red lines and daring Russia to respond. How timid is Russia and will the Kremlin change their tactics? What’s the point of having all these fancy weapons if you don’t use them? If the Russians don’t respond decisively, and boldly devastating the west, our CIA will have conquered the Russian federation, because the Kremlin does not realize the gravity of forces against it.
There are splt views on this in Russia.
But Shoigu, defense sec, is still trusted by Putin to call the shots. He has no military experience but is technically trained in defense.
I think Russia knows very well this will only end in one way. With nuclear strikes on the US and Europe and return strikes.
Their energy is on limiting damage from what is now increasingly inevitable.
There is going to be a nuclear war. If things don’t change.
Russia and China did a joint formation naval drill off Alaska this week.
The problem for the West is when they say ok let’s stop, it will be too late.
Public opinion is also tightly controlled and the West thinks they can manage this.
Maybe the CIA genuinely does own people in senior Russian positions. The degree of recklessness doesn’t make sense unless they have some safeguards built in to be able to deescalate or control Russia.
Anyone thinking this is not an economic problem for Russia is naive. More countries are giving in to US sanctions, not less, and the US is beginning to turn on some heavy screws.
Very difficult for Russia as they never wanted any of this.
Unfortunately America and Britain want this very very badly and they have nothing to lose medium term and everything to gain unless Russia attacks directly which it has shown little appetite for.
It can also be asked, how desperate is America. This was foolishly and possibly hastily done.
If America wanted to turn Europe against it, it has done the right thing.
Poland is a bit of a shithole that became less of a shithole only because of massive EU jobs, remittances and subsidies.
As Churchill said, ‘poland is the jackal of Europe’. A populus, corrupt, traitorous, greedy, nation. Drunk in access to power.
British tabloids are trying to portray this as a Russian act but all comments on from usually rabid anti Russian commentators say it’s obvious America did this.
If anyone had brain to pause for thought, what America just did will stop many Europeans cold.
In my view, this is a PR disaster for the US and where they begin to lose control of the narrative. Because now Europe will fear them. And hate is the twin on fear.
Ash, your comments here are always thought-provoking and well-informed. I’m just an enthusiastic amateur, but I’m going to differ with you, at least a little bit, on one topic.
I very much doubt that the CIA has high-ranking Russian assets. I think the Kremlin and the Russian defense ministry are a big black box to America’s spies, from a human-intelligence standpoint at least. If the Americans can’t see it on satellite photos or hear it on communications intercepts, they’re clueless, utterly in the dark. They have no grasp whatsoever of Russian decision-making.
In fact, it appears our lack of insight is of long standing and pretty openly acknowledged:
I absolutely agree with you that Washington’s recklessness makes no sense. But as an American myself, let me remind you that Hanlon’s Razor is especially applicable to Washington, especially in the 21st century, especially under the Pedo Pete administration: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
Malice, in this instance, would imply having Kremlin assets in place to manage the situation.
I think you hit closer to the mark with your next comment, where you suggested desperation and haste might be to blame for the recklessness.
HMS Terror says
While it may work in day-to-day contact with institutional apparatchiks, I think Hanlon’s Razor inverts when it comes to high level power politics.
While stupidity is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for being catapulted to those levels, I’d wager that being malicious is both. Or, more accurately, a maliciousness tuned to the prevailing ideology is both necessary and sufficient providing one’s stupidity doesn’t overwhelm it to the point where it can’t be exercised.
Votre examen de la position américaine manque l’essentiel de la donne, et c’est dommage ! Parce qu’en grande partie, vous ne posez pas la question suivante : pourquoi le bloc occidental en vient directement à la guerre quasi-direct avec la Russie et en grand risque avec la Chine ? Le temps travaillé pour la Chine et La Russie. Vous mettez de côté une grande victoire russe récente : savoir l’échec manifeste de l’isolement tenté par Washington, et pire que cela, il y a la montée de l’Iran, l’éloignement entamé de l’Arabie saoudite. Suprême honte :le pétrole russe est revendu par les saoudiens et font du bénéfice avec…Si vous ne voyez pas, là, des échecs américains, c’est bien dommage ! Curieusement, vous ne voyez que l’aspect militaire, comme si c’était le seul. Or, justement les Russes sont persuadés qu’ils doivent noyer le front militaire dans un champs a multiple facettes. En Afrique commence à se dessiner une agitation contre les sanctions qui en fait sont aussi dirigées contre les économies africaines. Voyons quand ce front va se déclencher, et alors apparaîtra le vrai vainqueur de l’affrontement. En Asie, les USA ont d’ores et déjà perdu. Voyez seulement où en est la tentative avec l’Inde, et pourtant Modi est loin d’être le plus pro-russe des premiers ministres indiens…
Carl Schurz says
Rapid and total annihilation of a powerful enemy does not correspond to military strategy in Russia. Napoleon’s campaign against Russia showed how a very powerful opponent lost. General Winter, the well-known cliché, is not the main reason. Winter was also too cold for the Russians. Russia did not face Napoleon’s advancing troops because winning a major battle would have cost an extremely high price in well-trained soldiers and valuable materiel. It would have been very difficult to procure enough soldiers and material for another battle. Russia withdrew as far as Moscow. Napolen moved into Moscow and had nothing. Withdrew and was then defeated by Russia in retreat. During this time, the Russians gave Napoleon’s army small pinpricks and gradually demoralized Napoleon’s troops. The Russian army had very good logistics. The civilians assisted in scouting without interfering in battles. Russia had time. Time and patience is something Russians can handle better than the hyperactive westerners. It also seems clear to me now that human capital and the efficient use of materials are more important to the Russians than to the West. You can handle the time factor better. Because the training of qualified soldiers and the production of war equipment takes a lot of time. Above all, highly qualified human capital can only be obtained in the long term. While losing these things can happen in a matter of seconds. Russians always take this into account in their deliberations. The West lives in the mistaken notion that it can quickly replace everything and everyone.
Well put, Carl!
Canuck Pipes says
Hyperactive westerners, exactly. lol
Master to Westerner, “first you must learn patience my son.”
Westerner to Master. “okay, okay, how long will this take.”
It’s obvious you should be on the Russian General Staff 😒
K. Talaat says
@ Hass… you don’t need to be on the RGS to understand the “Death of a Thousand Cuts.”
Here is a nice way to learn about what happened to Napolean’s Grande Armee by listening to Mark Knopfler’s song “Done with Bonaparte” from the Album “Golden Heart.” Cheers.
Russia doesn’t need to blow up gas pipelines. Just close the valve. By the way, do you know why Deutsche Bank has yet to go bankrupt?
Very clever from the US. Dastardly evil but clever.
Will they hit US and Poland where it hurts or just let it slide. Again. Like with their navy ship
The Kremlin will not respond, for revenge is a plate served cold!
Germans have no idea what is going on. They cannot imagine that the US is not our friend or would go kinetic against us. Most are not even aware that we are a vassal, they think we are allies.
Canuck Pipes says
Best to “know many, trust few and paddle your own canoe.” Perhaps the light will come on for you, Germany…oh wait. Forget that.
Batten down the hatches, Larry.
May be the US got a sniff that Germany was about to agree to have Nord Stream II start operation before the SHTF.
Jason Hawes says
I would remind everyone about Mark Twain’s warning about arguing with idiots (trolls in this case). They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Larry, good luck in the coming days. As a resident of the New Orleans metro area, I know what you are about to deal with. I look forward to all of your writing.
I really do hope that the Russians have a long time plan for the Pols and the Baltics. Those people need to be taught an important lesson.
Blue Thunder says
Them and everybody else. The entire West has become a bunch of hooligans, accomplices or prison bitches. Total mess. Regretfully Russia will fare better cutting all ties with the West and warming up to the East – despite the fact that historically they share a common bond with the West.
Hitler commented about Russia: “All you have to do is kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will crumble to the ground”. Well, I’m thinking at the rate we’re going, this quote will be amply applicable to us in the West.
Sorry guys. We’ve grown fat and lazy, while our Eastern neighbors have dutifully ploughed on. We’ve become the cricket and winter is coming!
Louis Hissink says
The problem with Germany is that it is not a sovereign nation and hence its political actions are essentially proxy vassal actions at the direction of its master(s).
Holle Honig says
My first thought was, how convenient for the German government that they can now tell all NS2 supporters that an opening is now unfortunately no longer possible. But that’s too bad …
So, we have another suspect, who has the means and the motivation.
A little added comment. Remember a little while ago when Scholz went to Canada, and Trudeau sold him this insane nonsense to use windmills to change ‘industrial water’ into hydrogen and then somehow ship it to Germany. If Scholz bought this crap then he’d buy anything. Who wants to sell him the Brooklyn bridge?
What is the most interesting? Almost 24 hours have passed since Sikorski’s twitter announcement, and one could expect the German media to be thundering about this recognition, the war declared on them by the USA. But if you type “Sikorski, danke, US”, you will find only the shy text of the Berliner Zeitung. So much for a nation of 80 million that fell without a shot being fired.
Hello Larry, you should know some spicy thing. The Navy battle group around the USS Kearsarge was in the Baltic Sea last week. She passed Bornholm around Wednesday. Interestingly, the transponders used for identification were turned off in that area and only reactivated later when the ship left the Baltic. As German media (who are usually cheerleaders for U.S. troops) enthusiastically reported last week, the battle group was leaving the Baltic because its mission was accomplished. Coincidence? I don´t think so.
Bert Huber says
In Europe Politicians are accusing Russia to have done this. Such a ridicilous propaganda. Putin just had offered Scholz in the phone call to deliver gas through NS2.
Nato is cruising in that region.
They have the means to do this.
I think there are people in the west interested that relation between Russia and Germany is completely cut, and no way back.
I forget to mention, Bornholm is the region where the damage to the pipeline is located
Carl Schurz says
regarding Poland. Poland has gone through three partitions and is partly responsible for them.
The Polish dreamed and still dream of Greater Poland. After WW1, Poland had been constantly running small SMOs against Germany. The list of provocations up until the 1930s is legendary. For a short time there was some calm between Poland and the German Reich, as Hitler agreed on a kind of peace agreement with the Poles. When the English (again) promised the Poles unlimited support, the Poles began to provoke again. On February 1st or March 1st, 1939, general mobilization was announced in Poland and the Polish generals raved about marching through the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin in three weeks. The general mobilization in the German Reich was only announced weeks later. Source: “1939 – The War That Had Many Fathers.” Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, Major General a. D., former NATO general. ISBN 978-3-95768-210-9.
And today? Poland (nationalists) once again believes in the USA and England that with their help they will come a little closer to their Greater Poland. I wouldn’t be surprised if Anglo-Americans drop Poland if it serves Anglo-American interests. A fourth division at the end of a long story?
Just a quick thought on ‘trolls’ and ‘trolling’:
Above all else, when I respond to a blog post, or to another reader’s comments thereon, I try to be mindful that I’m ‘a guest in someone else’s home’. Therefore:
1) I am respectful;
2) If I have a query or disagreement with the blogger, or another reader, I try to phrase it in a friendly yet direct manner–no insults, no ‘you’re a moron/you can’t read English/you’re just a ‘X’ (supply whatever slur you wish)’ Verbiage such as this simply short-circuits the conversation, and lamentably its existence helps to create ‘confirmation bias’ in most if not all blogs and chatrooms to some degree or other by driving out genuine disagreement, no matter how mannerly;
3) If the blogger/other reader replies to my comment, I only then continue the conversation IF I need more, relevant information to understand the blogger’s/reader’s response. Otherwise I merely say ‘thank you!’, ending the conversation on a positive noe.
A ‘troll’ is one who seeks to disrupt for his/her own purposes. This is not the same intent as that of a person who, perhaps, does not entirely understand the blogger’s/reader’s original remarks and seeks clarification, nor is it the same as the person who states a genuine disagreement–even a disgreement based upon clearly incorrect information. In the latter case I try to present my own position as clearly as possible in hopes of persuading my interlocuter.
I find that those who are truly interested in knowledge will be respectful toward one another; will be patient (to a point) and will exercise forbearance toward those who appear to lack knowledge–in which case I will attempt to impart it.
Ultimately, however, it is the blog owner’s perquisite to decide how they wish to manage their blog and its comments If that person–who has invested considerable effort in his/her blog–wishes to limit your remarks, for any reason or none, then one has the choice to either accede to the blogger’s rules, or else to strike one’s tent for more congenial sites.
I am always mindful that I am only a guest, and if I am labelled a ‘troll’–which can occur for any number of decidedly un-trollish reasons, to be sure–then it is time to move on. The intent of any true seeker is to learn, and if one is being considered a ‘troll’ then one cannot really learn–either you yourself are at fault, or else the site (whatever it may be–I’ve seen some acrimonious cookery sites, let me tell you!) is populated by those who don’t share your views and have no interest in doing so. In either case, the polite thing is simply to depart, quietly and without fuss. Either you, or the others on the site, are failing to communicate, and thus no useful information exchange is possible for either party.
Just my thoughts on blog etiquette.
PS: I believe Larry’s site to be an extraordinarily ‘high-information’ resource. Larry’s posts are concise, free of irrelevant emotion, and well-reasoned–almost, darn it all, as if Larry was either trained as, or perhaps simply is, an ‘analytic’ sort :). His posts often remind me of the typical military sitrep, so they do.
I am sure that I will disagree with something Larry writes at one point, but it hasn’t happened yet and I suspect won’t anytime soon.
Concur. Good set of etiquette rules.
Thank you for the kind remark!
Funny this, as a Spaniard living in the U.K. for the last 29 years I’ve been finding my commitment to the European project and the pride that came with it steadily diminishing over the years. It’s nearing zero now.
I’m of the generation that saw Franco die and was mainly raised on the democratic ideal and the push to modernise to “join” Europe, values that my generation took for granted and by which I lived all my adult life. But all that it’s sorely tested now.
There’s always been in certain quarters in Spain a certain disrespectful mirth at Europe and Europeans, bordering on contempt, which I always put down to Spanish chauvinism. But what if there was a kernel of justification?
For myself, I’m starting not to care for Europe, as an entity it doesn’t seem worthy of existing. Without solidarity there is nothing but hell.
The “European Union” is a “unification from above” in the sense of Bismarck’s unification of the empire.
The unification of the empire was preceded by the bourgeois revolution of 1848, which was decisively shaped by the idea of unification, the understanding of a “German people”.
Such an understanding of a “European people” never existed and still does not exist today, even if this so-called EU citizenship more or less simulates it.
The character of this so-called European unification has fundamentally changed with Maastricht, becoming first and foremost an imperial project, with, one might say, traditional expansion to the East.
The synchronization with the Nato expansion is almost evident.
This European Union pursues the goal of eliminating the historically grown nation-state democracy and replacing it with a kind of financial-economic technocracy.
The central concept, which due to its inconspicuousness is also cross-dangerous, is “privatization”, ultimately of the state – what then remains is only the misery-administration and repression apparatus.
The constitutional principles of this EU are these 4 so-called fundamental freedoms in the context of this single European market.
From this follows that every barrier, which provides the European or national law for the transfer of competencies of the nation-state to the EU, can ultimately be undermined, because you can somehow subject virtually everything to the above-mentioned constitutional principles. The so-called principle of subsidiarity is thus a mere necessity variable when the EU wants nothing to do with certain problems.
The EU is therefore taking over more and more competences; we have recently seen a few nice developments in press and media law, where I do not see the EU having any competence.
The final decision in a dispute is made by the ECJ, which, in contrast to national courts, does not pronounce law “in the name of the people”, but always in the sense of the above-mentioned fundamental freedoms.
And the question why no one resists this is also quite easy to answer.
The progressive gutting of the nation-state has also led to its spiritual gutting – especially in the context of the prevailing economic ideology, privatization, globalization, etc., etc., the understanding of the importance of the state as the linchpin of civilization has been lost or eradicated.
This ultimately culminates in the fact that parliamentary laws are no longer drafted by the state apparatus, but by private large law and business firms, usually Anglo-American large law firms.
The consultant scandal in the Federal Ministry of Defense under v.d. Leyen stands for it just like the recent poverty testimony of Habeck in connection with some energy levy or the like.
The state apparatus no longer has sufficient expertise of its own, this is simply lost, and the ideological orientation towards “EU integration”, combined with inflationary EU legislation, does the rest …
Brilliant overview! you should write an article elaborating those points even more.
Larry , i suggest you ban this troll henry the reich as he already trying to ruin the comment section by posting FUD and lies and never engage on discussion but constantly shift his comments. Time and place are wasted because many ppl not realizing he is a troll continue to engage with him.
this hasbara SOP 101 typical troll attempt to destroy a site comment section by flooding it with nonsense post and having ppl responding to him while he never even try to engage in real discussion.
just an opinion
Top Gum says
He may be a troll, but banning should only be done if he breaks rules, in my opinion. Best way is to recognize him as someone disruptive and ignore his posts. I know it is not easy to let things go like that.
But in the end, Henry is only hurting himself by writing all that stuff and pointing only in one direction. Everyone can feel his hatred and that says a lot about him already. If someone wants to make himself appear closed minded and hateful, so let them be and let everyone see for themselves. He won’t make many friends in here, he won’t get peoples respect either.
Very, very interesting text. Or the German government wakes up or it will be in enemies hands, since neither Poland nor US can be considered business partners in this moment. A serious investigation must be conducted by Germans and Russians to discover who/what is responsible for the damage. German MUST restart buying gas from Russia asap at lower cost than that offered by US/Poland. Germans, break up the legs of these evil bastards.
Germany as a economic powerhouse nation truly ended when merkel step down , seem like even the german people do not care enough to protest their current govt. That means majority of them are happy with the current govt policies. It wont be a real efent until economy really collapsed and people start rioting , until then the order-loving krauts will suffer in silence.
maybe in the future some historian will wonder why the german people continue to be silent even when their nation was led into destruction..
as the the pipeline , i suspect the russian will do their own covert ops to retaliate. the question is where ? will we see more refinery fire in US ? or fire on polish LNG ports ?
This retaliation act from a sore looser is a bigger trigger than anything else ; I’m eager to see what will it set on fire first 🙂 , The EU ? The NATO ? The dollar ? The nukes ?
Anyway : it was booth stupid and suicidal for whoever did it. Everything point at the US so… The poles politicians are a bunch of weirdos , but they know very well than without the EU, they can’t even feed themselves and nobody will support them if or when the Russians seeks for revenge.
This event is not a diversion, it is a terrorist attack.
And this is a real blowup to NATO.
If Baltic is NATO sea (as they say), this just proved that they are not even able to protect their own infrastructure from terrorist attacks.
Don’t forget, NS is not just Russian pipeline, it is almost half a west’s pipeline too.
“one prominent Polish citizen who believes..”
Romanticism has been popular since the Polish/Lithuanian Commonwealth facilitating one man the vote, instead of one man one vote.
Beliefs whose outcomes aided the various dismemberments of the Polish state, and diminutions of the populations of Poland, including but not limited to through “The Warsaw Uprising” of August/September 1944 partially commenced at 17-00 hrs CET on 1st August 1944, where not everyone turned up for the event, which in respect of members of the A.K is attempted to be obfuscated by blaming “The Russians”.
Putin is probably beginning to realize how out of US league Russia really is.
He can dance around, and give clever speeches, but when push comes to shove, Russia is a midget.
I don’t mean that as a disrespect to Russian people, but they have a constant misfortune of being governed by bad leaders, who get them in trouble.
Putin gave them 20 years of peace and relative prosperity only to f*ck it all up in the end.
That kind of self projection always amuses me a lot.
Maybe it’s time to reconsider how ‘out of league’ is USA considering civilizations older than 1000, 2000, 5000 years.
The toilets are better now, I think.
But hey, they believed the Earth was flat 2000 years ago. Are you one of those flat-earthers ?
Your ‘first on mind’ argument is also very amusing, refreshing an self-projecting.
Is this really the only thing you think first about culture and civilization?
Than I think you probably using the same towel to wipe your mouth and ass. no difference either.
Just one information for your ass( or head): 2000 yrs ago ‘they’ knew how to calculate circles, today we THINK we know but it is only illusion, and that is the reason we are not able to exploit the energy in full.
Maybe you are not as amused as you claim since you’ve started throwing insults.
Because of people like you we might indeed end up reinventing basic math.
It’s remarkable how many modern states can trace their ancestry back many hundreds or thousands of years: China, India, the Middle East, Egypt, etc. When the Greeks were busily sacking Troy, Egypt had already been a going political, cultural and social concern for two millennia (at least). Settlement at Jericho dates back some 12,000 years. Humbling for those willing to consider the implications.
The US is a comparative late-comer. This fact speaks nothing to the value (or otherwise) of its cultural, social and political contributions, but does help to place its assertions to be the ‘uniquely indispensable nation’ into a broader context. How many lands, I wonder, have in their day thought likewise?
Ave, Roma Aeterna! 🙂
Blue Thunder says
@wizz: Russia was forced to act.
Read Lavrov in UN speech this Sept. 24th:
“Russia had ‘no choice’ but to launch ‘special military operation’ in Ukraine, Lavrov tells UN”. https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/09/1127881
But better yet, read RAND corporation articles!!
“Overextending and Unbalancing Russia”, dated 2019!
After some thorough digging, we should reconsider the main stream media narrative.
Of course it had a choice.
What would have happened had Russia not invaded Ukraine ?
Phil Garber says
You are right, no one including Russia can compare with the US in terms of malign recklessness.
I’d call what is happening in Ukraine today recklessness.
Russia is throwing thousands of rounds of ammo daily and barely managing to hold on to what it captured, yet a few well placed pounds of TNT and the bear just lost a major source of income and its main bargaining chip.
The US is a predator, Russia is just a desperate, angry bear.
It’s obvious you’re not a regular reader, because you just aired a bunch of invective and talking points that Larry repeatedly has debunked, right here on this blog.
Everyone here is onto you, just like they were on to Henry the Fourth Reich.
That’ll be all. One of the first lessons we learn in emergency medicine is, ‘Don’t argue with the crazy guy.’
In every forum/blog comment section I encounter people like you. People that treat blog owners with near worship. People that read every post like it is religious text and then refer to that material as an absolute source of truth.
I don’t know who “Henry the Fourth Reich” is, nor have I read everything that Larry ever wrote.
However, I ask you. Do you have your own voice ? Can you partake in a discussion with your own arguments or is something right or wrong just because the blog owner said so ?
Canuck Pipes says
Wizz, think for yourself, use your critical thinking skills, do an ‘estimate of the situation from the Russian perspective, and you will find your answer. Patience is a virtue, and Russia has waited long enough; they understand the end game and geography regarding national security.
I am aware that Russia has enemies that are out to get it.
What I do no understand, why it had to invade Ukraine and put millions of civilians into harms way destroying their lives and livelihood ?
You consider today’s America at peace?
Safe, free and fair.
I would say the contrast is internally Russia knows and is at peace with what it is.
Internally America has always had a constant low level war that never settles, occasionally explodes. Right now internally America is on the verge of an uprising.
Does running from Somalia, Afghanistan consititute non midget?
If so when Russia runs from Ukranians armed with AK45’s it will be in the non midget level. Tough one.
When US man’s up and enters their proxy war
Alex Thrace says
If by bad leaders you mean ones that never thought the US could act as evil as it has been and believed that they could actually be reasonable, then yes.
The open question now is will Russia escalate this or just leak enough evidence pointing to the real culprits than sit back and watch.
there are plenty of bad leader to choose from:
– Tsar Nicholas II – under whose watch Russia seized to exist and Bolsheviks came to power. His whole family got murdered even.
– various communist leaders who conducted deadly persecutions and caused immense death and suffering of their own citizens, ill prepared USSR for WW2 which caused millions of casualties
– post war communist leaders under whose rule USSR continued to decline economically, including Khrushchev that transferred Crimea to Ukraine
– Gorbatchev, under whose watch USSR disintegrated
– Yeltsin, a drunk, whose rule was characterised by economic calamity and war (remember when he order tanks to fire at the Russian white house ?)
– Finally, Putin who failed to efficiently combat corruption and build a robust political system, and after 20 years of rule is now undoing everything positive he accomplished.
Alex Thrace says
The only group l/nation that benefits is the US White House.
Remember that they are wedded to the Ukies because the Ukies will spill the beans about Hunter and the Big Guy if we waiver and pull back.
Cutting the pipeline doesnt hurts Ruskies all that much it is potentially devastating to Europe. More importantly however it says to others that if they get in the way of US designs, horrid events will befall their industrial facilities and resources sector.
The US did this. There are no other credible suspects. This officially makes Washington DC a terrorist state.
Hurts the Rooskies a lot. All Russias energy leverage is gone. USA took it away from both Russia and EU. Genius attack by USA if you ask me, as it forces EU into USA corner. Especially the way EU citizens are indoctrinated by the MSM to hate on Russia. EU politicians cant capitulate because Russia offers nothing for them now. Want to stay warm? Pay US prices and continue to do what we say.
Phil Garber says
The Americans may be patting themselves on the back in the short term, but in the long term they’ve gained for themselves a continent full of enemies. EU media may look the other way but the people in charge know very well who did this.
Alex Thrace says
Not really because when the truth finally emerges as truth tends to do over time, the US federal government will finally be seen for what it is.
There is no going back from there.
Russia has already sold/contracted 50% of what NS2 would have produced for them. Russia does not need the European energy market. Before the war, energy as percentage of Russian GNP was 15%. In contrast, energy is 9% of the GDP of the US. Which really goes to disproving that Russia was a gas station with nukes.
A very interesting commentary at Moon of Alabama:
In particular, this caught my attention (roughly halfway down the piece):
“On September 2, interesting maneuvers performed by an American helicopter with the call sign FFAB123. Then it was assumed that this board was from the USS Kearsarge [part of a recent NATO joint exercise in the Baltic–EJ] air wing, and today more details were looked.
“According to the website ads-b.nl , this call sign was used by 6 boards that day, of which we managed to establish the side numbers of three. All of them are Sikorsky MH-60S.
“By superimposing the FFAB123 route on the scheme of yesterday’s accident, we get a rather interesting result — the helicopter either flew along the Nord Stream-2 highway, or even between the points where the accident occurred.”
[several intriguing images follow-EJ]
Blue Thunder says
Very interesting!! Thanks!
I have heard the Germany is contracted to pay Russia for a considerable minimal amount of gas each year whether Germany wants the gas or not. Which country is responsible for the shipping safety in the contract? Will Russia insist on payment regardless before ever resuming trade with Germany?
Is it wrong to think that Russia selling lots of gas to China, India and Turkey will displace previous sellers of gas to these 3 countries who can now sell to Germany but at full price?
I feel sorry for the average German citizen–their priorities are unimportant to both the EU and their own politicians who seem to be leading the totalitarianism trending in Europe and the US.
Cui bono? Absent definitive proof of the culprit, China seems to be the prime beneficiary. They’re already retailing Russian LNG to Europe at a huge markup. This episode will only increase the markup. Would I put it past one or more NATO actors? Of course not. And I don’t like coincidences either. I simply question the ability of a country like Poland to pull this off without the aid and complicity of others.
Act of war means any loss or damage arising directly or indirectly from, occasioned by, happening through or in the consequence of war, invasion, acts of foreign enemies, hostilities or warlike operations (whether war is declared or not) by any government or sovereign, using military personnel or other agents, civil war, rebellion, revolution, insurrection, civil commotion assuming the proportions of or amounting to.
NO ONE seems to have realized yet that destruction of billions of dollars worth of infrastructure critical to Russia is a de facto ACT OF WAR. How can the Russians see it as anything less? How will they react?
“I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.” Yamamoto in the film Tora Tora Tora…
Peter M says
Considering that Germany so far was the powerhouse of the EU, and it was Poland who benefitted most from the German largesse to finance or back up most of the EU’s spending, I wonder if as usual, Poland shoot itself in the foot.
If the German industry will go under, there will be no more freeloading and Poland might have to see what other idiot donors will help them survive.
I expect the EU, as their lead countries Germany, France, Holland and Italy will enter a deep recession, should the energy crunch not be resolved, (which it likely will not, as aside from gas delivery decline, the Schwedt refinery was lately “nationalized” by Germany, which means they have to search for feedstock that can replace the Russian one the plant has specifically be designed for, or they have to make the plant work with a variety of different stocks, not that easily done), I expect the EU to slowly disintegrate through the internal contradictions that without sufficient funding available cannot any longer be plastered over.
The Poles, like the Kurds and their brothers, the west Ukrainians, have a propensity to tear down with their arses what they build with their hands.
It always amazes me how some people have an affinity for absorbing propaganda while others have developed high immunity. Comments sections of these highly valuable blogs/sites illustrate this.
Sooo… is trolling conducted on purpose or by accident? A couple accidents can be forgiven. At some point, too many troll accidents lead to the conclusion that either it’s being conducted on purpose or the troll cannot seperate the propaganda from reality. Either way, it becomes subversive.
Good points, Rogue. I entirely agree: it can be difficult to discern when someone is ‘trolling’ versus simply trying to understand a given issue or position.
Part of the problem, I believe, is that in ‘Net conversations one possesses neither the visual or aural clues one would (usually) obtain in a face-to-face exchange. Were I to go up to a friend and state ‘you’re a jerk’–but with a grin, and a friendly inflection to my tone–said friend would consider those inputs as well as the context in which I’d made the remark (he’d actually just done something kind for me, so I was being ironic, e.g) as well as the fact that he knows my personality and could assess whether I was just being wryly humorous.
In NetWorld, we enjoy none of these inputs, so someone who, let’s say, registered on a blog host today, and has no prior history (engendering immediate suspicion), could be viewed as a ‘troll’ for asking a perfectly sincere question (I’ve seen it happen).
I guess one can only observe whether the putative ‘troll’ simply argues for the sake of argument, and most critically whether s/he simply refuses to accept objective facts when presented to him (or her). OTOH, I can actually understand at least some ‘concern trolls’ as actually being those who 1) don’t know much about the SMO (for example) and 2) are sincerely worried about the future. I take their remarks at face value in the first instance, and then observe going forward whether (as someone else here remarked) whether that person sticks to reasoned debate or simply tries to stir up a negative emotional response.
Years ago I participated in a forum whose moderator was quite clever: she never ‘banned’ anyone (which for a troll might perversely be a victory of sorts–he’s seriously annoyed the moderator); instead, her forum’s participants wisely refused to respond to a troll’s comments once he’d been identified as such. Eventually the critter would grow bored and depart, usually with some parting fling at the moderator and forum participants.
Old Microbiologist says
No offense to anyone but haven’t you learned not to feed the trolls? Henry is obviously one and has made an effort to hijack the comments. Best advice ignore him.
k. Talaat says
Here comes the false flag.
It is not destroying Nordstream 1&2. That is act 1. Act 2 is blaming Russia for cutting the Com Cable between New York and London.
I bet no one will believe the empires of lies.
I used to think, there will come a day when the US hegemony will need the Global South for help and it will find none. Today, I wonder when the rest of the World will sanction the West?
Re: the Nord Stream pipelines, see John Helmer’s article at: http://johnhelmer.net/the-bornholm-blow-up-repeats-the-bornholm-bash-poland-attacks-germany-and-blames-russia/#more-68966.
As for disinformation by Ukraine to cover up its own crimes against the civilian of Donbass, etc., see the 9/27/22 Russian Foreign Ministry Statement with photos and sources, at:
See, also, Russian Amb. Nebenzia’s statement at the 9/27/22 UNSC briefing on Ukraine (https://russiaun.ru/en/news/270922u.) See also Lavrov’s 9/24/22 remarks before the UNGA at: https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1831211/ and his press conference following his UNGA address at: https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1831220/
I don’t want to get involved into an argument with Henry Rech or any ad hominem attack, but IMHO to ignore factual documentation of eight years of savagery and ethnic cleansing perpetrated against the ethnic Russian population in the East- people classified as ‘terrorists’ by John Brennan shortly after they held a referendum endorsing their support for their constitutionally elected president and government- and treated as ‘untermensch’ by the Ukraine putschist regime which for over 7 years failed to comply in any way with the UNSC endorsed Minsk Accords, but instead proceeded to kill civilians and destroy civilian infrastructure, defies belief.
I read helmer’s article and believe that he is giving “credit” to the poles for this crime without much physical evidence. He does not mention the us naval activity in the vicinity of the crime by us naval vessels keersarge and two others with active chopper activity. https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7886712.html
(escobar has details also on his blog).
To be sure, most if not all of the nato nations along the baltic have underwater drone/torpedo capabilities but in my mind this was planned and executed by the use, i.e. by mad dog nuddleman and her lackies or useful idiots in the pentagon.
The poles were of certain probability aware of the plans and prob also the danes and the swedes. But in my mind this was a us op and crime from the outset. And to now say that they warned the Germans of the possible attack is not even disingenuous, it so obvious on the service that the the cia needs to improve their playbook if they even care.
Considering the behaviors of the German Greens, and what seems to be the German desire to destroy themselves economically, it seems possible that they would have done it themselves.
Greens are most infiltrated intelligence controlled parties in Europe. Anti-gas but they still fart.
In response to an assertion in the comments that pipeline repair is easy, its not.
due to the damage and corrosion from seawater intrusion. Damaged sections were at high points, so intruding seawater will flow down the pipeline rapidly and for long distances.
Oblomovka daydream says
The water of the Baltic sea is rather brackish than salty. Many ship wrecks from the 17th century have been preserved perfectly underseas.
Interesting–I hadn’t known that fact! So is the Baltic similar to the Black Sea in its salt content? As I recall (from somewhere or other) the latter is also anoxic below a certain depth.
Larry and his commenters seem to have all the serious stuff covered, from whodunnit … all too obvious … to how Russia and Germany might react.
Henry the Fourth Reich troll has all the obligatory Ukronazi FUD covered, in all its cringeworthy lameness.
All I can think of to add is, it seems the Pedo Pete Administration calculates an act of war against Germany, by its own ‘allies’, threatens NATO less than Germany getting fuel from Russia.
That suggests NATO is pretty much done, in any case – a dead man walking. Good riddance.
The way to make the comment section work is to STOP responding to commenters like Henry what’shisname. Stop providing him with oxygen and we can all breath easier.
“The way to make the comment section work is to STOP responding to commenters like Henry what’shisname.”
Of course, although this will increase his over-extension initially, which some will deem a disadvantage, whilst others will deem opportunities to use his datastreams as examples of what is hoped to be the plausible belief of the day, its contents and its framing logic.
Mr. Kaganovich in conversation after he was rendered redundant made this observation in respect of Mr. Stalin’s remark that “The Bolsheviks learnt to talk, whilst he learned to listen.”
In societies where seeking attribution/visibily are encouraged such as “The United States of America”, Mr. Stalin’s observation is often truncated to “All learned to talk virtually simultaneously, but few learned to listen”.
Mr. Rove was primarily referring to “The United States of America” in his “We are an Empire, We create our own reality, To which other(s) (Americans) respond” routine.
You are understandably misguided in respect of “Stop providing him with oxygen ..” since you may start to realise that providing oxygen is more productive by maintaining silence leaving a greater oxygen supply available for others – the most “active” strategy is to do nothing, which some opponents deem to be an oxymoron.
Alex Thrace says
To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.
— Henry Kissinger
Cris from Caracas says
Every citizen of a US ally country should have that phrase tattooed on their forehead….
Alex Christoforou outlines another possibility in his video today, also titled ‘Cui Bono…’ (I’ve never seen so much use of this Latin phrase in recent memory, LOL! Takes me back to my University days….):
What if no state actor is responsible for the NS-1/-2 sabotage, but rather the ‘Deep State’ as he call it it, referring to either embedded special interests within the US domestic power structure, operating entirely independently of the formal federal Executive; or else a trans or supranational group of those with the same interests, carrying out the attack?
Is such a thesis probable? I don’t honestly know. Is it possible? Certainly, with enough money and the resource to conduct an attack.
If Christoforou’s conjecture is correct, it simply confirms that the United States government is not the only actor within the US capable of, and willing to, engage in such activity. If the actor is instead a transnational group comprised of those drawn from various nations, we have instead of a ‘national deep state’ a ‘transnational deep state’ willing and able to engage in such activity.
Pessimist that I am, I’m convinced that the deep state exists at both national and transnational levels and has the capacity to conduct actions which benefit it/themselves without reference to the adverse effects on nations or their citizens.
Sorry for the proliferation of pronouns…walking in the Hall of Mirrors which appears to comprise the modern geopolitical landscape is linguistically and semantically difficult effort, at least for me.
Nonsensical from him I’m afraid.
There are satellites and all kinds of intelligence under water and on land that pick up exactly who it is and US and Russia both know who dunnit.
Even if it’s a delayed detonation you can go back and figure out who did it.
So a rogue actor would not get away with it and the reaction would be far more voiciferous. The muted response indicates a state actor who is known.
Even with some of the twits running things this is an act of war on a scale that requires presidential sign off.
Note this is a war crime as civilians can die or suffer as a result.
Jim S says
Alex C sees quite clearly that we are staring down both barrels of the Great Reset, and he deduces of whose finger is on the trigger. The impoverishment, suffering, and culling of the West’s peoples are not the accidental results of our leaders’ bumbling, but intended consequence. His partner in crime, Alex M, isn’t quite there yet in integrating the West-Russia conflict into this bigger picture.
(One thing I admire about Alex C is how he never imposes his views on his partner or their guests, or even contradicts them, yet still finds the right place to express himself.)
Peter M says
B has a nice writeup and collection of facts and observations regarding this act of war (which I think any destruction of infrastructure, strategic or otherwise, is)
“The U.S. allegedly warned Germany of sabotage of the Nord Stream system (in German).
This reminds of President Joe Biden’s warning of a Russian invasion in Ukraine early this year.”
And as to the prospect of Europe:
“It is easy to predict such events when you are the one who intends to cause them…..
Over the last decades Germany has financed the Euro zone with up to 1.24 trillion Euros. (See also this thread). This was possible because Germany was exporting lots of industrial products and had a yearly surplus from its trade. With Germany’s industry going down because a lack of cheap energy that surplus will vanish. Europe, all of it, will become a poor continent.
This does not happen by chance or fate. It is part of a long term neoconservative plan for continued U.S. supremacy over the world. The Anglo-American axis is the only party to benefit from the recent events.
I wonder if Russia just will ignore this aggression, likely perpetrated by the USA or Poland (or both in conjunction), or respond to this escalation,
I think the US/NATO just shot itself in the foot, and Russia will avoid playing pipeline tit-for-tat. Instead, it will shoot US/NATO in the other foot, which stands in Ukraine.
k. talaat says
The Neoconservatives don’t give a flip about America. America first and prosperous was never their goal. Look up all the neocons and see what is the common denominator amongst them.
They all slept with Hunter Biden.
Cris from Caracas says
This episode reminds me of the Hernán Cortés story of burning the ships…wonder if the Germans; by that I mean the populace, not the card carrying political class; …will feel the heat soon enough to affect change…..if I were a gambler, I’d bet against it….
Seems just like my country….going down without a fight or a single shot fired ….poor devils, welcome to the club….
Germany has criminalised reporting and information against Ukraine. Yet some brave folk still get up and protest. That right there. Human spirit. Someone always gets up.
1) expend manpower to capture Mariupol, waited for 1 month at Azovstal to capture the Azovites, transfer them to prison in preparation for trial, then kill them in a rocket attack
2) expend manpower to capture the Nuclear Power Plant, wait for 5mths, then shell it whilst its own troops are there to threaten the west with a radiation leak
3) Build a pipeline costing millions, then blow it up as a threat to the West to corner EU
If this isnt propaganda, not sure what is!
The West is deranged… they are sowing seeds of hatred themselves. As someone in the comments pointed out- the only parties that benefit is the US-UK and the military industrial complex (China if you consider the reselling of oil and gas).
RUS must be patient, this affair is going to last awhile… but keep the innocent in mind and whilst we fight to defend, don’t lose faith and forget to give peace a chance!
Performance Matters says
Eeee Yahhh! As my childhood adult family friend, Johnny B, a refugee from Hungary in the 1950’s would often say, “Just you know Vhat I mean!” It’s all about the $ when the German’s tuchases turn Blue from the cold winter and they don’t have gas to heat their buns. They end up with a cold blue colored Ashe , also known as a Blue Asche, which is a common ailment of drunks who stay out all night drinking and relieve themselves in the bushes during the cold winter… We can all speculate who financed the sabotage, but in the end, the German’s, who gave it good to the southern EU countries by forming the EU and bringing all the jobs out of southern Europe into Germany with the novel idea of a “Eurozone”, leaving Italy, Greece, Spain, etc., in tatters saddled with a backbreaking load of intolerable sovereign debt, while Germans got fat during the last 25 years. Just, you know, what goes around comes around, and the payback is … how do you say? something like a female dog in heat? You know Vhat I mean! and In case you don’t, its Poland’s turn to smile knowing they are now holding the winning cards, or actually the …. Gas! How Poetic that German’s are desperately seeking (Susan’s) Gas … Who’s gaslighting you now Baby! that’s from another 1970’s TV show about a well dressed NYC city detective famous for his bald head long before it was “standard cool” to wear bald. We go back again to Mr T … There is and there will be….PAIN! who was it who said….”I love it when a plan comes together”? Yes Larry, this one is a frozen dinner and it aint from everyone’s first love, Sara Lee.
Larry, this is one of your best ever … all your shots are in a tight group right inside the red circle! Damn well done! Thank you!
The Borg’s CNN asked on Feb. 8, 2022:
“What is Nord Stream 2 and can Biden kill it?”
Mission Control, we may have our answer.
Ms. Nuland: How much more do you and your overlords want, to completely “F**K the EU”?
None other than the Poltergeist Biden has said repeatedly to Europe and to us: “We’re Back.”
Yes, and “They’re Here.”
TC Nguyen says
This is the best analyis I have seen so far!
Also benefits Ukraine greatly. Not to mention western politicians and their cronies who had a pretty nice money laundering operation through transit fees.
Ukraine to Germany “You want gas? We want tanks.”
If I were Russia I’d completely shut off gas through Ukraine.
Alex Thrace says
I have a feeling that Russia knows exactly what happened and who did it.
If Putin truly wanted to permanently wanted to give the finger to the US he’d let the anger build then dribble out the evidence at peak.
Oblomovka daydream says
On Moon of Alabama and in the comments here lots of fuzz is being made about corrosion of the sabotaged NS1 & NS2 pipelines in the Baltic sea. Well, corrosion cannot be excluded, but the Baltic sea has 1) mainly a brackish environment and 2) there exists a peculiar lack of oxigen at the Baltic sea bottom. In order to have corrosion you need a salty environment and you need oxigen.
Just have a look at ship wrecks from the 17th century and you will be surprised to see cannons in top condition, just as other iron items on these ships. So instead of pro-active panicking about the possible irreparable loss of these pipelines, just wait and see. My guess is that this technical difficulties can be overcome.
Another story however is the US / NATO having transformed itself in terrorist organisations indulging in sabotaging ‘allies’. After the downing of MH17, the Skripal affair and the biolab origin of Covid19, this is another event that exposes the US (/NATO) as a rogue state with Nazi methods.
Alex Thrace says
Yes, I agree, the situation will take several months, it certainly won’t be fixed by winter, so the Germans get a little reverse schadenfreude, maybe swing Olaf and the Greens from lamp posts, a good learning moment for all.
Agradecido pela objectividade.
Construir uma opinião obriga a estar bem informado.
O que nao acontece no meu Pais (Portugal).
«com o tempo, uma imprensa cínica, mercenária, demagógica, corrupta, formará um público tão vil como ela mesma».
by: József Pulitzer, jornalista norte-americano, 1847-1911; ou,
“No silêncio dos olhos
Em que língua se diz, em que nação,
Em que outra humanidade se aprendeu
A palavra que ordene a confusão
Que neste remoinho se teceu?
Que murmúrio de vento, que dourados
Cantos de ave pousada em altos ramos
Dirão, em som, as coisas que, calados,
No silêncio dos olhos confessamos?”
– José Saramago, em “Os poemas possíveis”. 3ª ed., Lisboa: Editorial Caminho, 1981.
(primeira vez a comentar)
“[…]Sikorski citou o presidente dos EUA, Joe Biden, que ameaçou em 7 de fevereiro, antes de a Rússia iniciar sua operação militar na Ucrânia, que se Moscou agisse contra Kiev, “não haverá mais um Nord Stream 2. Vamos acabar com isso”. Quando um jornalista pediu esclarecimentos a Biden, ele disse enigmaticamente: “Eu prometo a você, seremos capazes de fazer isso”.
De fato, há relatos de que dois grupos de navios de guerra dos EUA foram avistados recentemente a 30 km do local do incidente onde o Nord Stream foi atacado.[…]”
Penso que um rastreio (fita do tempo) de satélites poderá denunciar o agressor.
Um acto que demonstra que não há países amigos e quem se mete com os USA, leva….
A Alemanha que se cuide.
Pensar nao custa: a quem interessa que a Europa e, em especial, a Alemanha fique sem
Why is everyone feeding the troll(s)?
Rule number 1:
Never feed the trolls
Rule number 2-5:
Do Not Feed The trolls
A mile long thread discussing vapors from msm and ukrop ipsos on one of the best blogs of our time 🤦♂️
Please stop clutter up the entire comment section by feeding trolls guys and gals.
Spirit of the wind says
Germany the Globalist poster child for woke, Green, surveilence of their own people, they obeyed everything Globalist Incorporated asked of them, and now their wages, chucked under a bus for a quick profit.
But beware of a wounded Germany, they have “form” on this situation, they have a tendency to become revenge monsters.
Henry Rech says
There’s been a multitude of comments about my comments.
In the first instance, I offered an hypothesis. I did not say it was the truth.
Larry’s response was to call me a paid troll.
My subsequent comments across the board, as far as I can recall, were in response to others.
Many commentators responded to my initial suggestion by calling me a troll or offered some form of abuse.
So I respond.
It also appears people don’t read what I have written, content to construct a strawman which they then proceed to burn down.
I have never justified the, at times, appalling behaviour of the western neoliberal/neocon/globalist regimes.
However, saying that, I recognize that Russia and China, presently and in history, have also engaged in equally appalling behaviour.
In the West, at least an individual can generally speak his/her mind without being thrown in gaol or taken off to a forest for further “processing”. Try and contradict the regimes in Russia and China and see what happens to you.
Russia and China are clearly fascist regimes.
Look at the Hitlerian, Franco and Mussolini regimes. They were brutal autocrats (who presided over compliant and bogus democratic institutions) who brooked no dissent and who worked hand in hand with the corporate elites in their respective countries. This is fascism pure and simple and aptly describes the Russian and Chinese regimes.
My underlying thought is, be careful what you wish for.
Dan Farrand says
All the talk of US attacks on pipeline and what Russia may do. Thus far, I would just be impressed to see the Russian stop Ukraines progress outflanking the Oskol River line in Lyman.
The Russian seem supine and appear to be leaving their forces around Lyman unreinforced to fend for themselves. One wonders if there are preparations for a big Russian counter-attack there, but such buildups cannot be kept secret these days and all past talks of Russian counter attacks have resulted in little in the way of decisive action.
If the Russians cannot rouse aggression on the battlefield, there is little likelyhood they will respond to the pipeline being blown up. They seem to be in the hands of McNamara like, gradual escalation policy makers.
Russia believes time is on it’s side. But with mobilization, and the US becoming increasingly provocative without paying any price, that is no longer true. Time is no longer on Russias side.
If Russian resistance breaks in Lyman, there will be no spinning that as anything other than a sign that the Russian Army is a hollow man in important aspects.
Bert Huber says
On CNN today:
“The US Embassy in Moscow issued a security alert overnight that again urged US citizens to leave Russia immediately while there are still options for departing the country. ”
are the US preparing something ?
Eric Newhill says
I saw that, but there are qualifiers, I believe. That is that the warning was aimed more at dual nationals and the concern is that they might get conscripted into the Russin military and the US won’t be able to assist getting them out of it. Another is that CNN says that Russia is arresting American protesters.
So not sure if the warning is a red flag for impending war, though personally I think there is an impending war.
Not off topic, stick with me. Looks like China will occupy Bagram airbase and with a military contingent. Remember the US troops cleaning the facilities before they departed and that bit of odd behavior was widely thought to be for the Taliban at the time. The current regime in Washington is ass deep in with China just below the surface and with the Davos Great Resetters just above it. Both outside parties have a shared interest in taking the US down a few notches. Ostensible opponents recognising a win win situation. Remember too, all of the hoopla only a year ago about this being the Chinese Century. And how, even in a multipolar world, it would be China with the biggest seat at the table. Xi has been needing covid lockdowns to keep it all together at home and Russia is all of a sudden showing up very big on the game board with a self sufficiency that China cannot emulate and weapons systems that actually work. They are suddenly a threat to the big seat. One should, at least, suspect a wink or a nod from China to the Davos co-conspirators running the US foreign policy terrorism and sabotage machine. Cui bono? Who wins a nuclear war between the West and Russia?
Henry Rech says
“Who wins a nuclear war between the West and Russia?”
About five years ago the US went from MAD to “winning” in its strategic planning. Winning in the sense of being the last man standing, or crawling, as it were. China sits it out and picks up the pieces. If the warfare is less than total so much the better because the result is the same with fewer problems.
I believe Larry is pointing to the right nation as thee saboteur or co-conspirator. Destroying the pipelines smelled of reckless reactive aggression. And this points to Poland which seems to hate Germany as much as it hates Russia. Poland has been stewing over historical grievances regarding both countries for a long time now. Heck, the Polish interior minister went so far as to blame the Paris terrorist attack on Paris in 2015 on the Russians.
” And this points to Poland which seems to hate Germany as much as it hates Russia. Poland has been stewing over historical grievances regarding both countries for a long time now.”
The present “Polish” government is quite democratic – it hates almost everybody including itself – the belief in unappreciated “martyrdom” and “saviourness” is quite widespread more in emulation of Mr. Roman Dymowski than Mr Josef Pilsudski.
The illusion of for your freedom and ours, still has significant half-lives, as is also the case in “The United States of America”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2zrI8V0FEE This sums it up about Nord Stream II. The German government are fools if they think Russia did this.
wrong video link, this one: https://youtu.be/tFQJJYb7YJM
I’m sure the German government knows who is responsible. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Americans told them directly (behind closed doors, of course), along with a message that other “unfortunate accidents” could happen if they deviate from the script.
Pres. Biden: “If Russia invades…then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Reporter: “But how will you do that, exactly, since…the project is in Germany’s control?”
Biden: “I promise you, we will be able to do that.” https://t.co/uruQ4F4zM9 pic.twitter.com/4ksDaaU0YC — ABC News (@ABC) February 7, 2022
SO, DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE TO CONVINCE YOU WHO DID THIS SABOTAGE ON THE NORD STREAMS?!
Pres. Biden: “If Russia invades…then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Reporter: “But how will you do that, exactly, since…the project is in Germany’s control?”
Biden: “I promise you, we will be able to do that.” https://t.co/uruQ4F4zM9 pic.twitter.com/4ksDaaU0YC — ABC News (@ABC) February 7, 2022
There are many reasons for taking out NS 1 & 2. The US, Ukraine, Poland have provided ample opposition to both and laying blame on Russia is a fool’s (and troll’s) game. Question is, what and to whom was the message for? This was carried out in waters controlled by NATO and Sweden and most damaging to a NATO member, Germany. Was this a warning/threat to Turkey and Saudi Arabia? How will Serbia and Hungary now react? Reminds me of that movie scene, ‘The Untouchables’ nervous “friends” sitting around the table with the Capo walking around with a baseball bat explaining how everyone should stick together, One Big Team! The Team wins! ………..Whack!…. Follow up question, how long will fear hold the “team” intact, considering the other side carries a bigger bat?
“‘The Untouchables’ nervous “friends” sitting around the table with the Capo walking around with a baseball bat explaining how everyone should stick together, One Big Team”
Mr. Ness and his associates operated in the 1930’s.
After the Mafia wars of the early 1970’s resort to bats were minimised, but not to the same degree or urgency by all – detente being facilitated mostly by other means in recognition that “sharks” shouldn’t attack other “sharks” unless other “sharks” undermine the habitat of all “sharks”.
In the early 1990’s there was an increase in bat usage by some and so some so misguided were reminded that “our gang is bigger than your gang and undermining habitat is always misguided” which was re-emphasised with decreasing necessity to those who still believed they were oligarchs from March 2000 onwards.
just saying says
Not long ago NATO did not allow Lavrov to fly to Serbia out of pure spite. Of course they will try to do something against gas flow. Serbia and Hungary will react doing everything they can, which is noting. They are surrounded by the enemy.
You know what annoys me? There is no place left where you can find (read) decent, honest, objective reporting or opinion pieces. And get to have an open objective critical conversation about shit that happens. Because in the end, we’re all guessing. Yes even the ‘experts’.
It always ends in ‘You’re either with us or against us’. And then everyone starts rambling their opinions and it’s like you’re in kindergarden again.
What surprises me most is Larry’s reaction to one of the commentators here. I don’t know the man, maybe he had a bad day, some bad personal news, whatever. Just didn’t expext that reaction to someone who offered a different view without first publishing an essay about it.
Same is happening at MoA and Andrei’s blog.
The tone is shifting, and all the objectivity and critical thinking is being shit on. It is starting to look like the counterpart of the western MSM.
Us vs them
Black or white
Democrats VS republicans
West VS east
Democracy VS Communism
Good VS Bad
Anyone else noticing a trend here?
Critical thinking? Nope not allowed.
Different opinion? Nope not allowed.
No shades of grey.
Stop falling in this trap. It’s exaclty what the system wants.
How in earth do you expect politicans, world leaders, policy makers, what the fuck ever to solve world problems when even regular people can’t set aside minor shitty differences in a goddamn comment section.
Thank god Putin is showing a lot more restrain than most of the commentators here.
another steve says
Yes , wageslave, the comments sections are pretty well ruined everywhere , taken over by those who yell loudest, or worse, are most conforming. Even by those who espouse a free exchange of ideas.
As for objective reporting , and you may not like it, I would recommend , US colonels (Retired) doug macgregor and daniel davis. Good luck.
Worth Pointing Out says
There is a massive tell when you watch Antony Blinken’s presser with the Indian(?) foreign minister, when Blinken had no choice but to start that presser with a statement about Nord Stream 1 and 2.
If that had been the work of Anyone Else But Uncle Sam then he would have thumped that lectern and insisted that Germany must – must! – get to the bottom of this craven and dastardly attack on all that we all hold dear.
Only he didn’t.
His prepared statement had him admitting that, yeah, maybe, it looked like sabotage. But nobody knows for sure, and even if they did they couldn’t know for sure who did it – not that he was admitting that anyone did anything – and anyway it’s to nobody’s advantage to do this and, let’s be honest here, it’s no big deal even if it was sabotage, no that he was saying that it was but, you know, just sayin’… and anyway why don’t we all talk about something else coz’ this is kinda’ boring.
Blinken knows that the USA did this. And he knows because he signed off on it.
Oblomovka daydream says
Hope that Larry is safe and well in his place of living (Tampa, Florida).
Amen to that! I pray Larry and his friends and loved ones are safe and sound, too.
Barry Sheridan says
Destroying the pipelines has to be seen in its true light, it is an attack on the people of Europe. Knowing who did this is important, and given the public pronouncements by the President of the United States and Under Secretary of State that America would ensure gas supplies down these lines would be prevented, then we can assume this act was carried out by, or on behalf of its government.
The right response for European nations is to bring an end to membership of NATO and at the same time request all US forces in Europe to leave. It is, even without this act, obscene that American forces continue to be camped on European soil. A debt to America is due for its support through the long years of the Cold War, but it is time for a true peace to settle on our globe, we need to begin with finding an answer to the Ukrainian conflict via diplomacy and not HIMARs missiles. If the United States and its British satrap cannot help, then European nations should do so alone.
Scarfell UK says
Larry, Peter Zeihan has a slightly different complexion on matters Russian:
Difficult to know what to believe.
Diana Johnstone has posted an excellent article on Consortium News, re: the Nord Stream pipeline attacks, which cites solid German reporting and sources. It is at:
Diana Johnstone has written an excellent commentary on the NordStream pipeline sabotage, with excellent German journalistic sources. It is at: https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/28/diana-johnstone-omerta-in-the-gangster-war/?unapproved=442220&moderation-hash=596718eecaf3904177476904e3fe57a0#comment-442220
carl schurz says
In the NATO area, citizens are already being prepared in the media for a nuclear attack by Russia. First demands: hit back hard. Poland will then be ready to let NATO into the country. (LOL. This has been going on for over a year. Just look at RADAR and flights from Ramstein and England).
I now seriously assume that they want to lure Russia into a trap. Detonate a small nuclear bomb in Ukraine, far away, at the moment when a Russian hypersonic missile hits. In order for this to work, give the Russians clues to the storage location, which was fed with lots of NATO weapons.
Monica Sortland says
Monica Sortland says
Biden did it.
Jim S says
Here’s a question:
How much of the readership of this blog would support breaking up the United States, at this point in time?
Would you be more likely, or less likely to support it if the US was in some form of civil war?
Jim S says
I was out earlier and saw that one of my neighbors had tried to throw a load of trash into a dumpster down the way, with only partial success. One of the items that didn’t make it in was a cheap, faded American flag. I couldn’t believe it. Who knows how many people saw it on the street and passed on by before I found it? I folded it up as best I could and stuck it under my arm. I’ll dispose of it properly tomorrow.
If anyone does read this by chance, you probably don’t believe me, do you? I suppose I wouldn’t either.
Dazed and Confused says
Larry, I am confused now.
The USA was part of the Allied Forces, including Russia, to fight the Global bogeyman, Hitler. Russia is the one who crushed Russia in WW2.
Today, Germany doesn’t buy natural gas from the USA, but instead buys natural gas from Russia.
The USA declares an alliance with Germany and declares Russia an enemy.
Why is Germany and the USA masquerading as allies while German is giving its money to Russia for natural gas, instead of buying natural gas from Germany’s “Ally” the USA?
This is confusing to me…
Is anybody else as confused as I am?
“Dazed and Confused”
Dazed and Confused says
My error … it was Russia who crushed GERMANY, not RUSSIA as I incorrectly typed above