I believe the evidence is overwhelming that Ukraine tried and failed to manufacture a “Russian” attack on Poland that would have justified NATO coming to Poland’s defense under Article 5 of the NATO Treaty and solved Kiev’s dilemma over how to replace the massive number of Ukrainian soldiers that were killed or wounded in combat during the past two months. It is a whopper of a number. And Ukraine is in desperate need of reinforcements that are not available if they rely on only drafting Ukrainians.
Here is the evidence that the S-300 missile that landed in Poland was a false flag.
- The missile was a S-300. Originally manufactured in the Soviet Union in the late 1970s.
- The S-300 only has a maximum range of 160 miles (that assumes it is a S-300VM).
- The missile landed in the Polish village of Przewodów in the east of the country, about four miles from the Ukrainian border. Przewodów is the red dot on the following map.
- The closest Russian ground forces, who in theory could have launched this missile, are located east of Kherson. The distance from Przewodow to Kherson is 613 miles. That distance exceeds the capability of the S-300 by a factor of 3.5.
The S-300 was fired by Ukrainian forces located somewhere to the west of Kiev. It is highly likely that U.S. and Russian satellites recorded this launch. In other words, both sides know where the S-300 originated.
It is highly unlikely — hell, impossible — that this was an “errant” missile that Ukraine fired in a moment of desperation trying to take down an in bound Russian missile. Why? The Russian missiles are flying from the south to the north or from the east to the west. That means if Ukraine is firing an anti-missile defense system at those inbound missiles the Ukrainian missile would travel from west to east.
But that is not what happened here. The S-300 traveled east to west. Unless the Ukrainian operator who launched the S-300 was drunk on his ass, it is impossible to “accidentally” fire this air defense missile in the wrong direction.
Then you have Zelensky’s adamant refusal to accept the evidence.
But repeating a lie does not make it true. You may insist that the Sun rises in the West, but no matter how loud you shout or how many times you repeat that nonsense, it is not true. Same principle applies here. An anti-air defense missile fired at missiles coming from the east and the south does not magically travel in the opposite direction.
I believe this is another indicator of Zelensky’s growing desperation. Think about it for a moment. If Ukraine really had Russia on its heels, why fabricate an easily disproved claim that Russia attacked Poland with a missile? This was sloppy trade-craft. If Ukraine had used another Russian missile capable of flying the distance from current Russian lines to that farm in Poland, then the circumstantial evidence might have ignited the desired fire among the NATO members.
I think one of the reasons the US Department of Defense was so quick to agree with the Russians about the origin of the missile is that the technical data from the National Reconnaissance Office pin pointed the launch location. It the NRO knows then the Russians, who have similar capabilities, would know.
I also think that Ukraine and Poland cooked up this plan without telling Demented Joey Biden. The incident was timed to coincide with the G-20 meeting in Bali. Hence, my title — Epic Fail.
I discussed the failed provocation and other matters with Ryan Dawson on Wednesday evening:
Hello Larry From the first minute of the incident I believed that this was a false flag attack by Ukraine, I wonder what else they are capable of? the puppet dropped its reins like a runaway horse and is acting desperately.
I think Ukraine has more possibilities of “crafting” false flag attack. Using S-300 is lame. They have taken several wearhouses full of equipment. They are destroying russians KA-51 somewhere close to estonian border planting explosives. We are talking about the nation that manager to damage Kerch bridge in so sophisticated manner. Do you realy think that false flag would be bodged this way?
Co Krematorsk a jeho nádraží? A co nákupní středisko Amstor v Kremenčuku, kde podle Zelenského mělo být 350 nakupujících a přitom bylo prázdné…..Jo Banderovci.
YES!
Driving a truck bomb to a target isn’t very sophisticated, nor is the detonation by timer started by a uphill grade sensor (i.e. a well-dampened pendulum), or a radio control device (a radio control unit for a model car is more than adequate) set off by someone in an escorting automobile.
Cocaine abuse is a terrible thing. People who are cognitively impaired lack the ability to perceive how transparent their lies are to unimpaired people. Clueless people with diminished capacity due to drug abuse is just a variant of the Dunning–Kruger effect regarding ordinary stupidity. Intelligent and courageous subordinates could have prevented this, but I don’t believe that ‘elensky has any of those at this point, just yes men.
5 Eyes… seems everybody is jumping on the Cocaine analogy. Disparaging. Which really is irrelevant. I never liked Cocaine, I did my share. Cocaine, pure, smooth, is more like mega-caffeine. Red Bull +. And the ability to stay focused, sharp, encompassing. 2 friends, now ex-friends, one was a floor trader on all the stock exchanges. The other a genius IT networker doing complicated network security for the Govt. The Trader had a very bad days’ trading and 3 non-stop cocaine days later, he came out $3mil up. Focused. The IT guy, would be up for 3 days straight, coked up, devising, writing code and proofs, testing… totally engaged. Focused. Eventually, you have to crash, sleep, eat food. Cocaine is nothing like Heroin or morphine. Not sure why people keep referencing Zelensky with cocaine use. He has his life, and his families, threatened by the Neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine, he cannot negotiate, they already said publicly, they would hang him from a pole, publicly. No Minsk Accords. I don’t envy his position…what would you do….?
You are correct. I haven’t done cocaine, but all of the pharmacology supports your view. The other aspect is that where is the proof the Elensky has an acute cocaine habit or that he even uses it? So he refused a drug test. That’s not evidence.
Is there anything else?
You two guys are both wrong. It is true being on cocaine can give you a temporary boost, but marijuana & LSD can make you write better songs and even heroin or benzos can get you through a tough time 100x better than doing it stone cold straight.
What you two are missing is the cumulative effects of long term abuse of any of these substances that absolutely does effect your judgement, and basically everything actually – in a negative way. That is the point people make about Zelenski, not ‘but I was high one time finally cracked that rubric cube’ or some such infantile nonsense.
Your analysis makes perfect sense. Earlier today Scott Ritter said that any time Russia fires a missile NATO immediately knows exactly where it is coming from. So they all knew it wasn’t Russia.
Yes, a great analysis. I had already written an article on this incident on my News Forensics site or Substack.
https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/putins-winnin-weakness
Then read Larry’s analysis and added it to the article because (as usual it was so good). Now another good article.
OF COURSE, NATO knew that this was not a missile fired by Russian — although a “Russian’ missile. NATO playing semantic games toying with nuclear war?
As I wrote in my Substack article, the REAL reason for this propaganda exercise, taking advantage of the UAF’s documented problems not only keeping it story straight but its missiles too (MH117 anyone?), is to feed the ravenous craw of public hysteria to force NATO countries to ante up to pay for those hugely expensive NASAMs systems (what? a million $ a missile?).
US “officials”, nameless mouths that is, say they are 100% effective in shooting down Kalibr missiles.
NO system is that effective. NASAMS might approach 50% if the US could supply enough systems for effective networking and if the Kalibrs were the older versions that are subsonic, not the newer ones with a Mach 3.5 end speed and end stage maneuverability to defeat systems like NASAMS,
NASAMS is a very complicated system that relies on extensive redundancy but you need a LOT more than the US can supply. Maybe in a couple of years.
The story also helps distract from the Republicans takeover of the House.
Definitely a free-lance operation, probably put together from working with the British. Has “Ukie” written all over it. Poles may have been involved too, though I doubt it. British almost certainly kept hands off on this one, as the know a non-viable false flag when they see one. Plus, the Russians knew about it in advance. The proof: anticipatory withdrawal from Kherson. Some other aspects of timing…
1. Biden meeting with his peers in Bali. Blinken and Sullivan in tow.
2. Burns meeting with Zelenski in Kiev.
3. Austin meeting with contact group in Ramstein.
4. Massive bombing by Russia.
I think this demonstrates several things. First, the Ukies are building structures for escalation. Second, someone with practical operational experience – but weak politically – had a hand in the timing on this one (see 1-3). Third, the U.S. will not abdicate those decisions to a junior partner. Fourth, the Russians are almost exclusively focused militarily on the east. Fifth, the incipient refugee crisis seems to be the next trigger of escalation.
OTyes, but it sure is funny:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vladimir-putin-reportedly-has-a-back-up-plan-to-escape-to-africa-here-s-what-we-know-about-the-claims/ar-AA14bGUr?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=0ccbb01ae0a04bc6beb37dbafc1e1510&rc=1
I thought that was a Babylon Bee parody for sec, but no less hilarious
Of all the stunts pulled by the loonies at Bankova, will this be the one that makes Zelensky’s Western backers realize they are backing a losing team?
Responding to Zelensky’s remarks tonight about the denial,a NATO country diplomat told me: “This is getting ridiculous.The Ukrainians are destroying [our] confidence in them. Nobody is blaming Ukraine and they are openly lying. This is more destructive than the missile.”-FT
Will the U.S. try to hold Europe’s feet to the fire? If so, how much pain can they stand?
popcorn anyone?
Got butter?
I’ll do the counter-argument! Not a false flag. Ukraine S300 locked onto a crossing Russian missile, turned, and tried to follow it. Russian missile hit its target and evaporated. Nothing left for S300 to track, so it continued into Poland and ran out of fuel.
Our SAM’s are supposed to self-destruct at loss of target. I don’t know if old S300s are supposed to or not. Stuff fails, shit happens… I’ve seen failures in our weps and highly suspect the same occurs everywhere else.
While I happily admit to being completely ignorant of things military, your suggestion makes sense, both in the type and landing site of the missile.
Another possibility – how do S300s track their target and could the tracking have been disabled by electronic counter measures? (I’m led to believe the Russians are pretty good at that.)
Larry’s thesis that this was a false flag makes less sense – why use that kind of missile and why drop it on a farm?
Makes sense to me. They did try to take advantage of the situation by blaming the Russians, however.
This is what happens when you fire missiles at night without electricity.
Thanks for the ROFL, I needed that in this year of insanity 🙂
And while I firmly believe anybody whose heart is not crushed by the loss of both Ukrainian and Russian lives is not a human being, if de nazification of Ukraine wasn’t a legitimate objective then why according to this article from the BBC July4 did more people flee to Russia than Poland? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60555472
It seems to me every now and then one slips through the cracks. Just like the article in the NYT in 2014 where they had reporters on the ground(allegedly) and saw the Russians leaving the voting stations in Crimea celebrating with Jubilation they were now part of Russia again!
Try to remember for Russian speaking Slavic people, Russia is a safer place to be than Poland. What fled to Poland was the non Slavic people.
It could/might make sense. Right??? … But why NOW? After all Russia has been raining missiles to Ukraine from MARCH.
Again why NOW? And lets not forget they were 2 missiles.
On the other hand today starts the next big drop on the stock market SP500 going from 4000 to maybe 3200 (hell is the limit) for the next 1 or 2 months.
Dollar down 1, SP500 down 2.
One more ingredient to the deadly economic cocktail: OIL UP (mighty up). I might be wrong some weeks but direction is right. In 2-3 weeks will see the result (economic) of this “holy non waged war” the West started against Russia.
Possibly the Russian missile hit the Spin and Rinse cycle from the chips used in it and went widely off course as a results
Lmao
I agree with you, obviously without knowing what actually happened since I can’t possibly know, that this is very much a possibility. Also, I see it as a possibility that an S-300 battery located east of Lvov might have been unable to target the incoming Russian missile until it had passed, which would give the Ukrainian S-300 an east-west trajectory.
I could be all wet on this, but it’s a possibility. Also, while I have absolutely no doubts that the Ukrainians would be more than willing to manufacture a false flag, take their continued shelling of the Zaporozhe nuclear plant, trying to make people believe that the Russians would be shelling their own troops for months, not to mention the more recent reports of a dirty bomb attack that, thankfully, was avoided by Russian MoD Shoigu by immediately contacting the west for a few examples.
So I’m not saying that the Angry Gnome of Kiev wouldn’t want to pull off something like a false flag attack on Poland, I have no doubts that he would if he felt it necessary, but unless he and everybody around him think that the Polish are utterly drooling imbeciles, they would have known that the truth would be known to NATO almost immediately and that would have been far more damaging to Ukraine than Russia.
If they ARE that stupid, and I certainly can’t rule that out, then I’d imagine that the inevitable decoupling between NATO and Ukraine will happen a lot sooner than anticipated, because I’m quite convinced that NATO knows very well what actually happened.
Emperor Misha… Very valid assessment. Days ago, I was the first to comment that incoming missiles were incoming from the east and the south. Poland 2 missiles were the wrong trajectory for an air defense interception. Later I deduced, as you, if air defense was properly located to the east of Lviv, but fired at missiles passed over it, then trajectory would be toward the west. Ukie has already had much friendly fire from their S-300’s coming down on civilians and railroad stations.
Does anyone know timeline of Lviv strikes and the errant Poland strikes…?
Agreed on Zaphorizhe, I’ve had to explain to many that would mean the Russians are shelling themselves….they don’t follow, they just repeat the media regurgitation. This SMO has really solidified how normal folks have no clue about current events and believe and repeat BS. Same is now true of the EU media, who used to do better.
I saw a comment elsewhere that the last/nearest Russian missile struck target two hours before this landed in Poland, otherwise it makes a lot of sense.
Wouldn’t the target have been relatively close to the ground? Iow, by the time the S300 lost its target wouldn’t it have been headed down?
Already many of the explosions in & around Kiev have been caused by SAMs missing their targets.
This is problably closest to reality. 5V55 has radar, impact and self-desctruct fuzes. Newest missiles are approaching 30 years of age and self-destruct has been known to fail at 50% or so rate.
Problem is not hit. Problem is Ukrainians LYING about, including to country which supported them in all possible capability.
Why should anyone expect Ukrainians not to lie? The US/NATO is running the war to “weaken Russia” to the last Ukrainian. Its not as if the collective west give a flying f— about Ukrainians.
Nice try, but Russians fired no missiles into that area at all that day. None. No, I’m afraid it was the berserk Ukies once again up to their usual.
Napoleon liked Lucky Generals. Zekensky and co…they must have thought we will fire missile into Poland onto a empty field in a farm at night and say it was the Russians, after all the West repeats all our lies anyway, especially the Brits….
Later that night, missile fired, it hit the one tractor in the field out at night and killed two people. Bless their souls.
Next the West refuses to go along with the established game, and tells the truth despite a good start lying in all the British papers. The coke fell out of Zekenskys nose. What to do?
Repeat. Double down. Repeat the lie deny everything.
Could Russia have asked for better PR than this? How they must laugh in Moscow.
Zekensky beware, in Putin, Kadyrov, Shoigu, and Gen. Armageddon, Russia has lucky leaders.
Looking back I think people will see this as the turning point in the war. The West turned away, the Western public began to understand that Ukraine is dangerous and lies. Support is ebbing away.
At the same time Russia is preparing for full on war.
This may well be where it begins to fall apart for Ukraine. Let’s see. Invites to Vogue may dry up. Tell them Kanye.
no way…russis didnt send any rackets to that region
That was my thinking as well. Could be a false flag, wouldn’t put it past Zelenski but more likely an errant missile.
To se ale u Vás děje nějak moc často, že Vašim raketám dochází palivo zrovna nad civilními cily.
I wonder at the decisions an actions being taken by the group (or troupe) of actors from the west. They give up the arms and money with abandon to apparently get it back directly from the Ukrainian treasury. They have sold enough gray market US arms to the various players in the world and given them time to arrange to pick up their new tools. Everything going to plan.
But are they being allowed to, or is there cooperation? Russia is not able to roust a lot of nazis right now but they are destroying the army, the infrastructure of Nato and preparing for something substantial. Are they quietly destroying the nato army as it arrives? Ammunition is now short for the west because they have used up all they expected to need for their practice wars for many years. Uki demands more and use up a nations stock in a few days. No one would be this stupid. This can’t be accidental can it? The 101 is on the ground in 404 and they stand a good chance of being rendered if they attempt to join the battle. Why would they come anywhere near this theater? Does a famous name scare Russia into inaction? Is this the plan?
It seems the only important thing I get out of this is the supply chain for the 155 rounds needed to fight a real war on the ground. This chain is being made to appear as though it has collapsed. Both Nato and Russia claim the other is acquiring 155 shells from other nations. Another hint to lack of supply. But we only have proof that the west has nearly run out.
Nothing makes sense. US/Ukraine/UK all pretend Russia’s gains are actually Ukraine’s gains and Russia has lost thousands of everything. The absolute opposite of reality is what the press in the west is telling they whole world, knowing that it is at the very least of questionable validity, to outright nonsense. The news from the chosen press is almost all fake news that is 180 degrees wrong. But they don’t care. The whole idea of a free press is gone. People believe they can put the truth back together with lies and expend huge treasure in convincing whomever might listen to their story.
Russia (and China) may have planned this so well because as so many suspect, Mr. P has been preparing for this for at least 8 years, but more likely for 20 years. They always knew what they were up against and quietly took care of business. Patience, indeed. The patience of a very large tree waiting on its age to arrive in time and be ready for the future.
The people directing the show in the west are incapable of understanding that while the Russian ants worked out all the details, their grasshoppers wasted it all. Russia was once amenable to negotiations. They may listen, but it is their turn to dictate because they earned it. They know they are up against a cult of mental illness that believes some very strange fantasy.
I bet there isn’t starvation and frozen corpses in the streets of Russia and allies. But Europe is going to see it all, live it all and suffer greatly. Someone demanded that they commit suicide. They volunteered. inconceivable.
They never think it will happen to them. Trudeau, that Finnish dancer, Macron, Scholz, they’re for the chop before too long, just like Zelenski and so many others before him. He does what he’s told or they withhold his medicine. He is in chains, but he wore them for greed in the beginning, only now he can see the gates of hell. I’m an atheist but I love the imagery.
Meanwhile the above democratic leaders haha are willingly sacrificing their fellow-citizens, those of the useless-mouths category. Which is most of us.
MrZ performed all this under orders. He would not dare do anything like this on his own. His Praetorian Guard would make sure he didn’t. His family are all “safe” in Israel.
It’s Europe’s turn now, but we’re next. I mean, we’re easier targets than Russia or China or even Iran. They want everything for themselves, and we are in the way.
Believe there is a Tremendous Creator behind the amazing precision of this mysterious universe. A universe where everything has a timely purpose. Hence, the self disparaging term ‘useless mouths’ is inaccurate.
Believe! Nothing, about any of us, is useless. What you wrote and others read is not useless.
Agree.
Read a book a while back called the Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn. Got it on Apple Books. He actually predicted every damned thing we see to day. Admittedly in America. Called it the “great shaking.” The book says America is done.
An American prophet in the sixties l believe predicted America will be cleaved in half. Many years later they discovered a massive fault line down the centre of America called the Madrid Fault. If it goes the Great Lakes drain into the Gulf of Mexico at a great rate of knots.
Chaos is chaos, it does not have dots to connect nor amazing coincide over and over again.
Strange how evil is always destroyed after normal, honest people stand up and confront it. As amazing luck or timing saves the hero.
By Jove, I do believe you are onto something!
Jonathan Kahn is a scammer. He feeds on gullible protestants of all flavours. He ‘prophecies’ the things tptb want to happen seasoned with bombastic Jewish mysticism.
Christ is real. Ignore false prophets.
“A universe where everything has a timely purpose.” That’s the central assumption
of the age-old science of astrology. Hence after 20 years of socialist activism I started
40 years ago to study it, received stunning insights.
Last week, with the Cherson-withdrawl, I happened to succumb to a classical error
in prognosis. You might be interested to learn, how I reflected on that, and how I
understand the change of ‘timely territory’ this week in the forefield of the ‘big one’.
https://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2022/11/the-self-criticism-of-astrologer.html
and
https://astromundanediary.blogspot.com/2022/11/the-month-of-strategists-doing-their.html
“Both Nato and Russia claim the other is acquiring 155 shells from other nations.”
NATO certainly is, US is buying from SK to replenish its stocks.
The claim is the Russians are buying shells from NK. Both deny it. I believe them. I believe Russia is not “buying” artillery ammunition from NK.
BUT.
NK is sitting on very large stocks of artillery ammunition. Much of it will have over 50% of its shelf life expired. Russia has immediate need for large quantities of ammunition, if only to preserve stock levels. Or perhaps to more quickly build up stocks for the coming offensive.
It makes sense to me that Russia and NK would trade immediately delivery of available older but good ammunition from NK stocks for later replacement by newly manufactured Russian ammunition.
Not buying, exchanging, trading, barter.
Meanwhile, NK has a temporary reduction in artillery ammunition, so it fires a brace of ballistic missiles to distract and put the fright on everyone.
And if R is buying 155 shells from NK, and our spooks have such great intel-gathering resources, we mopes can expect to see proof of the transport of that massive cargo all the way across Russia, or via ship through dangerous waters, to get to the conflict space.
As with the tracking of all the missiles flying around Ukraine and Poland and such places.
Or maybe it’s all the Fog of War.
Waiting for proof…
Transport would be by train.
There is a railway line between Vladivostok and Pyongyang.
Given the existence of a railway connection, it is only ignorance to imagine shipment by sea from NK to Russia.
There is regular train transportation between NK and Russia.
Impossible to discern what is inside a train carriage or container.
If the ammunition is shipped in containers, unless the loading/unloading at source and/or destination were in the open and not covered warehouses, how would they know?
Nevertheless, my point is: if Russia is sourcing ammunition from NK, it is far more likely an exchange of new ammunition for old to expedite accumulation of stocks for the coming offensive.
Not “buying”, exchange.
NK would not want to run down its ammunition stocks, but would likely appreciate an opportunity to reduce the average age of its ammunition.
Win-Win for NK and Russia, but no need for money to change hands, therefore no “buying”.
Itexpat…absolutely valid assessment…on the money.. err, exchange….
And rail would be a lot faster than by sea route.
Exactly:
It’s all bullshit stew.
Confuse and spread nasty girl gossip. The USA is sending billions of crypto fraud and weapons..ditto the EU.
So Russian BUYS ammunition so what, the Black Face Canadian steals money from a single mothers bank account and he is a hero hero Canuck.
Bullshit stew…….”Gravy, lies and turds,” a luncheon speciality of the State Dept. Is this all there is to American leadership?
I think it was all well planned distraction from money laundering via Ukraine through crypto exchange
Mr. Johnson ; i agree; these guys are so incompetent they would find a way to bankrupt a spa with a swimming pool with its own well and power in the middle of the only road through a desert.
looks like ukraine has retaliated
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/suspected-ukrainian-drone-strikes-fuel-depot-deep-within-russian-territory
Xi gave justine castro a good tongue lashing.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-chinas-xi-loudly-excoriates-justin-trudeau-crowded-room
In addition to the trajectory issues concerning the missle, I think if the Russians were firing at Poland they would have used more than one missle. Sending one hail
Marry doesn’t accomplish anything.
Question: what’s with the vein along the side of this missle ? Can someone explain that ?
Don’t you think the Russians might have done better targeting when risking ww3?
No a high value target, to put it mildly.
Russia uses high precision standoff-weapons targeting critical infrastructure or high value military targets to handicap their enemy. They don’t need a volley or similar tactics. The fact, that those two S300 did make it into Poland tells you already, the Poles don’t have any clue what is going on and that they are totally unprepared to defend their air-space. That is NATO standard, BTW! Blind, powerless and utter incompetent.
Russia is the only country having a working layered AD-shield. Israel with its iron-dome can only fend off ballistic projectiles for example. They can’t handle cruise missiles.
US/NATO they both know they have noting against a Russian missile attack, besides their own BS, which is all talk/dumb intimidation but no real substance.
” Think about it for a moment. If Ukraine really had Russia on its heels, why fabricate an easily disproved claim that Russia attacked Poland with a missile? This was sloppy trade-craft. ”
Yes, think about it Larry.
If the US and Russia can identify the launch location and the provenance of the missile can be easily discovered, why would you? You know you are are going to be found out and it would be pointless doing the stunt.
Because the Ukrainians did not take that into account.
Ukraine has gotten away with so many lies, notably blaming Russia for MC-17, Bucha, etc, that they probably assumed that they could get the US/UK choir to sing the same song, “Blame Russia”. What’s different now is that the US went to Russia and threatened it (Burns and Sullivan) but facts on the ground are against the US/NATO and Russia refused to play the game. As Putin said, let them come. So the bullies have been called out and know they’ve lost. So they’re backpeddling.
Which caught the spoiled brat Zelensky, who thought he’d have backup, flatfooted. He probably didn’t bother to ask his boss, to get the go ahead. But as you say, he’s so desperate, he assumed he’d be supported.
I think you have pretty much nailed it. Zelensky and his regime are so accustomed to throwing tantrums, getting what they want, and making false accusations that it never dawned on them they would be called out on the lie.
As Mr. Johnson mentioned, it never occurred to Zelensky and company that they would be called out.
Ukraine is the Karen of Eastern Europe.
Zelpoint man Arestovych tells it like it is: https://twitter.com/i/status/1593132387902574592
“we have to lie because if we tell the truth, we’re finished!’
How do you know?
Especially when their brains are addled with rum and Coca Cola. (or variations of)?
Perhaps the Ukies figured the US is on a hair-trigger and would shoot first and ask questions later, which is easily believed given how easily they bought the MH-17 story.
It is also possible that the Ukrainians assumed that the U.S. would jump feet first into supporting the false flag attack. It surprises me that they did not. It could have worked. The power of the U.S. media to spread lies worldwide is considerable. And once that train left the station…well we all know how a country that goes to war loses all reason and silences all dissent.
Rech thinks the Ukrainians are smart. Just one more thing he’s wrong about.
If the Ukrainians were smart, they wouldn’t have marched to their deaths and dismemberments like obedient human cattle by the hundreds of thousands to preserve the predatory internationalist oligarchy that has been raping their people since the fall of the Soviet Union. Genuine nationalists are fools if they let internationalists manipulate their desire for sovereignty and subvert and redirect that energy towards internationalist goals. Is there a single example in human history of a national people cutting a deal with internationalists, communists or crony cartel corporatists (globalists), and having it turn out well for them?
OT: Is anyone aware of any stop-loss orders for the US military?
Agreed. To make it even worse, this is the second time in less than a hundred years that Ukrainians have fallen for promises of statehood given by human vipers. It demonstrates how poisonous doctrines such as Nazism tend to dull the wits; all that bitterness and malevolence rots any capacity for rationality.
Larry,
“Because the Ukrainians did not take that into account.”
You still have not explained how you know this to be fact.
HENRY
NOT GOING TO WASTE MY TIME RESPONDING TO YOUR STUPIDITY. YOU HAVE NO FACTS AND YOU IGNORE FACTS, YET YOU WANT ME TO PROVE SOMETHING TO YOU WHEN YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF IGNORING PROOFS. SORRY, WON’T PLAY THAT GAME WITH YOU.
I want to wretch ever time I read one of Rech’s silly sophistry attempts.
I’m pretty sure he took the off-repeated technique out of the MSM’s Little Red Book.
Larry
“NOT GOING TO WASTE MY TIME RESPONDING TO YOUR STUPIDITY.”
There you go again.
You repeatedly characterise possibilities as facts – where’s the evidence.
Henry, two pipelines blew up not that long ago.
The German’s knew full well that this was done by the US military, but nonetheless they still blamed Russia for it.
Why? Because the ramifications of telling the truth didn’t bear thinking about.
Zelensky may well have thought the same here: NATO might know full well that the Ukrainians fired that missile into Poland, but nonetheless the Americans and the Europeans would bit their tongue and insist on pointing the finger of blame at Russia.
Only… only…. someone was allowed close enough to take a photo of the wreckage and THE DAMN POLES ALLOWED THE PHOTOS TO BE PUBLISHED.
Damn.
Double-damn.
Once those photos were released the game was up, and so there was no point in Biden doing anything other than to finger the Ukrainians as the guilty party.
Zelensky has kept up with the pretense because they had already decided what their media narrative was going to be and they weren’t nimble enough to change tune.
Those damn Pollocks (it takes one to know one) just had to go and ruin a good thing! Imagine the boatloads of scratch the oligarch triumvirate could have made had they been competent enough to pull it off.
Those silly Poles wouldn’t be a worthy conspirator if you gave them a comprehensive “Psychological Ops For Dummies” guide with colorful illustrations.
It’s a sad day when the capitalist pigdogs make a little less blood money. How will they feed their underaged harem or afford their ever dwindling supply of blood boys? A single tear runs down my face for the senseless immiseration of the bourgeoisie.
Yeah, Right
“Because the ramifications of telling the truth didn’t bear thinking about.”
I don’t think this is a credible position. There would be someone within the German Government, in the know, who would be happy to damage the relationship with the US.
I think the case for the US and/or affiliates having blown Nordstream is strong.
However, there’s one thing that niggles me. The argument goes that the US wanted to totally remove any opportunity for Germany to hook up with Russia. If this is the case why was one Nordstream 2 pipeline left intact?
Larry would say that the US is stupid and incompetent, his pathetic, stock standard explanation for just about everything.
It seems to me, an equally likely scenario would be, that Russia intended to frighten the Germans yet allow them the possibility of going back to Russian gas.
“If this is the case why was one Nordstream 2 pipeline left intact?”
Because working at depth and in the murk is difficult.
It ain’t easy, it is easy to make mistakes, and the divers made a mistake by putting both explosives on the one pipe.
It happens.
Yeah, Right
I am not saying it can’t happen or that it didn’t happen.
We don’t know.
Well, HENRY…….did you ever consider that Germany has been so successful in giving Russia agita of the kishki lately, that it finally let out one enormous belch and the pipeline just couldn’t take the pressure?
We don’t know.
Casual Observer,
“…giving Russia agita of the kishki …”
Thank you for introducing me to a medical term that is unknown to me. It’s always good to learn something new.
I think your explanation is just as plausible and of a similar quality as the other explanations that have been offered.
Dam it! Somebody must know.
I cannot believe that Ukraine, the EU, US, Poland and the entire NATO, by using modern surveillance and tracking technologies -which they own by the way- were not aware of the missile’s provenance since the very first hour…
Utterly unacceptable -and disgraceful- the level of hysteria triggered by the Western media, without taking the time and the trouble to verify the sources before reporting on the incident.
Please take a look at your “strategic maps” and check both the location of the site -somewhere in Eastern Poland- where at least two innocent civilians were killed, and that of the nearest Russian bridgehead in the Ukraine, together with the information available on the type of missile: a twenty or thirty-year-old S300 of Soviet/Russian production, but in both Russian and Ukrainian inventories. What is the range of this missile? 90km? 200km? 300km? Therefore, just by using common sense, it is very unlikely that the missile was launched from the Russian positions.
If this is a false flag -Mr Johnson’s argument- questions should be addressed to the Ukrainian Government. Or perhaps to a “third party” …
Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system
Eva,
It could have been launched from the far south western corner of Belarus.
Not saying that it was.
Sure, it could be, but evidence has to be provided …
But why would the Polish president make these statements in the Ukrainian press?
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/17/7376829/
Eva,
“but evidence has to be provided”
Yes, of course. I’m not saying this is what happened.
In my humble opinion, they were errant Ukrainian missiles and Zelensky should just own up.
Eva,
Presumably the Russians can track projectiles in Ukrainian airspace.
So why haven’t they said: “We didn’t do it. Here is the evidence.”
Let’s work backwards on this a bit, shall we?
Since there’a a major NATO radar station 40 miles from the site, why haven’t the Poles shown them theirs? They are, after all, the alleged grieved party.
Why, it’s because (can you fill in the blank?) _______________. There. that wasn’t so hard, was it? Give yourself a gold star sticker.
You really are a silly snot of a sot. Why waste people’s valuable time trying to decipher your thought patterns. Other than grad students in behavioral psychology, hoping to be employed by Washington think tanks or the MSM, I’d think no one would care.
Casual Observer,
“I’d think no one would care.”
You did. 🙂
Henry Rech
“I’d think no one would care.”
You did.
How do you know I’m not a grad student in Behavioral Psychology, and hoping to be employed by the CATO Institute? Hmmm?
Henry Rech,
“Presumably the Russians can track projectiles in Ukrainian airspace.
So why haven’t they said: ‘We didn’t do it. Here is the evidence.'”
How do you know the Russians haven’t presented evidence? You cannot honestly believe that the mainstream media or the politicians will admit if Russia submitted evidence proving that it was not them. The Russian ambassador to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya, has already provided any information pertaining to the S-300s that landed in Poland, short of actually having investigators on the scene (which is prohibited).
Perhaps you have an opinion as to why the Russians are not allowed to form part of the investigative team looking into both the Nordstream Pipeline incident and the incident in Poland.
The S-300 landed on the Polish village outskirts about three hours after the last of the Russian missiles hit its target in Lviv, Henry, the air raid sirens were already silent for hours, it was a false flag op, no question about it.
Poland knew nothing of it, the Patriot defence system that’s supposed to intercept missiles failed abysmally, when asked why NATO’s Stoltenberg said “well, we had no evidence that the missile was in deliberate – attack mode”. That’s the most idiotic answer, what is an incoming missile incoming for? To deliver a message of goodwill and peace or to hit and destroy?
The incident only confirms what Baron’s been saying for months, NATO agitprop is just posturing, with conventional weaponry Russia would be hard put to beat NATO’s 27 strong team, but in a battle of missiles NATO would be toast, hence the immediate denial by Biden of the drug addict’s claim that it was the Russians that fired the S-300.
I am left with a lot of questions:
[1] It’s two missiles. That seems to rule out technical glitches and swerving out of course, as well as debris upon interception and all related hypotheses. Nobody is mentioning this. What am I missing?
[2] I understand it’s standard doctrine to double tap with AD. Another argument for deliberate?
[3] Why has nobody shown a trajectory? NATO says they have them from radars on Air Force planes.
[4] What is the exact timing? Any attempt to intercept a Russian missile would mean that there was simultaneously a Russian missile. These seem like elementary facts for any type of journalistic (or other) inquiry.
[5] The missile exploded? It seems one exploded, but the other did not. Normally these missiles have a fuse or other safeguards to prevent/hinder explosions when they miss targets. Shouldn’t experts be able to provide clarity on this score? Some pro-Ukrainians are saying the explosion means it was not a regular ground to air movement where the war head is inactivated upon a miss; perhaps everybody has agreed to a certain narrative to prevent ww3.
Normally, the surest sign that something is amiss and you are not being told the truth is that all kinds of obvious questions and inconsistencies are not answered, but you are told to believe expert conclusions regardless.
Re: # 5
It appears that the hole under the cart previously existed. Looking at the bracing under the cart it appears that a hopper for a grain elevator may have been in that location. That gave the appearance that the missile created a much larger hole than expected. The grain cart was flipped over but its tires are intact as is the underside of the cart.
I am getting forgetful. Here is the photo supporting the observation
https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/np_file_194320.jpeg
Webej,
All very interesting questions.
We have it all wrong! According to the Washington POST Bankman Fried is Mother Teresa and Albert Sweitzer combined. The article makes you want to puke. Now I am completely convinced he is very bad news for the democrats far better than the lap top.
WASHINGTON POST
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I want to jump in somewhere to talk about the mass suspension of disbelief underway that facilitates ignoring the growing torrent of BS. Events are spinning higher and faster as the public becomes more inured to increasingly outrageous and dangerous acts of fraud or misrepresentation. People I talk to I try to shake and say: aren’t you bothered by how risky and preposterous our so-called leaders are acting? But almost nobody (i am in Canada and work with highly “educated” people) seems to be outraged. Nobody. What the hell is going on!?! In the most general terms, has the cell phone driven information system succeeded in mollifying everyone? Events happening every day seem to point to a hugely complicit leadership class aware that almost nothing is as it is represented and you should just go back to your zoom meeting and wait for the riots to start.
When do people get off their @$$es and demand answers to tough questions? World war is a big deal.
Is this the same Brad Patton who was banned from Saker and MoA for sexually propositioning posters there? You need to find a new hobby.
Oh, Jeez…..just shoot me now & save me from the misery of America’s final descent into abject madness.
Makes one wonder if the NRO has similar data from MH17.
Today a Dutch court will pass the verdict on MH17. Ukraine shoots a big clumsy end-of-the-70’s junk at a slow moving cruise-missile or an even slower moving geranium drone with the same carelessness that was used when they fired their old big & clumsy BUK at the overflying MH17.
They already did. Basically, it was a nothingburger with a bit of face saving mustard, bland with no bite.
The interesting part afterwards was that the Russians promised to send all their collected data to the survivors.
That said, the Russians once came up with the factory log showing where that missile was shipped, once its serial number was publicized. No one ever demanded a forensic analysis of that log entry, ink, paper, style etc.
Maybe Larry has some input on whatever happened to that revelation and why it never went anywhere, beyond the obvious under the rug sweeping.
There is substantial talk about invoking NATO articles and about the offensive and/or defensive use of nuclear weapons.
Does anyone really beleive the the Pentagon and the Kremlin, would escalate matters and trade the possible destruction of NYC, Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Chicago, LA, Miami etc, for European capitals such as Warsaw, Berlin, Paris or London.
I think not, and I trust far more communication takes place between Moscow and Washington than we are led to beleive.
A fully mobilized Russia can run rampant throughout Europe crushing almost everytihing in its path without real concern. Once the European establishment fully understands this reality, they will pursue a political resolution pronto.
I can only hope this happens soon so as to avoid the loss of more lives and the further destruction of Ukraine.
Really great analysis. This really shows how dangerous this regime has become and how much some really want this to escalate to WWW III. I hope that collet heads prevail as Ukraine starts to collapse but I am afraid to save face they will likely find a way to intervene. Thank you again for keeping us informed.
Well done Larry. Yesterday and today. In the analysis of the whole process. An intelligence professional is an intelligence professional! The greatest proof of the attempt to manufacture yet another false flag and of Zelensky’s despair was when he insisted on maintaining the false narrative after the US and Poland itself had extinguished the fire of the incident that could turn out to be very serious at all. It gets to be sad how the comedian completely self-isolated. Not even a Baltic Poodle this time. Which in itself is already quite enlightening.
Sad, unhappy. It is always a very undignified show when a comedian with very little international experience contradicts the guarantor of his own defense. In this case the US! Which also just proves that Ukraine is finished as Mark Milley says that there are ongoing negotiations. Six months ago, the US itself had not killed this incident so soon. Even though as Larry says, today it is almost impossible for a missile not to be tracked in Ukraine! And what the comedian got is that now even access to the incident site has been vetoed by the US. Because the US want to end this circus!
Now that the events that have provoked mass hysteria have settled down, certain details have been missed.
Intel on force composition in Kharkiv/Kharkov caused the Russians to withdraw under fire. (Carried out successfully, an operation that will be studied and taught in detail)
So how did 30000 military personnel and equipment slip away from Kherson without notice? Surely this is a massive C5ISR failure?
Terrorists action in Turkey have been blamed squarely on Kurdish forces under US protection in Syria.
US generated theatrics about possible Iranian retaliation against KSA were met nonchalantly by the kingdom.
Could this be why 2 spy chiefs were meeting in Turkey?
Has Patrushev’s meeting with Shamkhani rattled the neocons?
“So how did 30000 military personnel and equipment slip away from Kherson without notice? Surely this is a massive C5ISR failure?”
Without previous warning? The staging of the withdrawal request was even shown live on Russian television. The question you should ask yourself is how was it possible to remove so many people and so much equipment in a day and a half and without casualties? Nor any outline of the enemy’s attack. Since withdrawing is always one of the most complicated military operations. Remember the Ukrainians in Lisichansk? And how is it that 48 hours later Selensky was already walking around Kherson with the Russians on the other side of the river?
Larry’s movie would not play on my rural, slow set up. Found it here:
https://www.ancreport.com/ex-cia-analyst-larry-johnson-on-ukraine-the-media-ryan-dawson/
Off topic but l’d like to float a theory that Putin would like this war to last at least until 2025. Why would he want that? Because Putin is a big picture guy. This war is costing the US and the Europeans dearly and is tying up and consuming US and European resources at a rapidly escalating and unsustainable rate which will weaken them more the longer it lasts. But here’s the thing: Tying up the US in this quagmire prevents the US from fully concentrating its nefarious efforts against China. By buying China time it allows China to keep building up its military strength at a rate the US can’t compete with but this matters now because by 2025 China may be too powerful for the US to even contemplate for a nanosecond any thought of engaging them in a war. At that point, Putin and Xi could present the US with a fait acompli to stand down now because it’s over and there ain’t anything you can do about it! And the US may have to become an ordinary country with the rest of us and settle for being the second or third most powerful country in the world. Wouldn’t be so bad would it?
Possible and feasible theory. I’ve also thought that Putin seems to deliberately want to drag out this conflict a while longer, although the way I see it, it is up till winter of 2023. May I ask why do you think that needs to take till 2025 for China’s military power to exceed USA? The Chinese are capable of building things incredibly fast, and on the other side, not only USA but the collective West is rapidly depleting their arms and equipment, by sending so much to Ukraine to be destroyed, at a rate that will take many years to replenish. And military power is based on industrial power, USA’s industries are almost all hollowed out including the American weapons industry. Why else will it take take years to replenish what Ukraine consumes in a month?
The 2025 date is what l heard from an online discussion, can’t recall where. As for its accuracy l couldn’t say but even if the Chinese military hasn’t surpassed the US by then it will still be considerably stronger than it is now and probably at the point where US military options against China are off the table and no longer considered feasible which makes the present time particularly dangerous because the nut jobs in control of US foreign policy may feel compelled to act on the basis of ‘its now or never’!
If that scenario is true, then wouldn’t China be an active, if low observable, participant in Ukraine? It seems too clever by half, as the Brits say. Too Machiavellian.
No more than Western countries at least but really not at all because China isn’t supplying Russia with weapons. I think the Chinese are working closely with the Russians on designing the forthcoming new economic world order of the multi-polar world. Russia will do the heavy lifting on the battlefield while China will take the lead in the economic sphere. Russia’s reward will be a leadership role and a prominent seat at the head table.
No. He wanted this war (that he tried to avoid for 8 years) over in a few weeks with DPR/LPR absorbed as republics into the RF and some lesser things related to crimea. He hoped that the US would understand he was serious and put its dog on a leash.
He got the opposite. Russia clearly was not prepped for a long war against almost the whole of NATO’s arsenal and command/control. Hence the April negotiations scuttled by the UK. Now he may be willing to drag it out because the US made a regional conflict a global and existential conflict, and because Russia has the benefit of momentum. But a plan from the jump to bring down the west isn’t like Putin.
I don’t think Putin started out with a concrete plan like what l’ve suggested when Russian Forces rolled into Ukraine last February. The situation has rapidly evolved and many different scenarios have opened up. For example, Putin had no intention of annexing any Ukrainian territory beyond the Donbas. We know that because when Boris Johnson torpedoed the proposed peace settlement last April, Putin would have signed a settlement that included only the Donbas becoming a part of Russia but that isn’t the case now because everything’s changed since then. Back then it wasn’t known how resilient the Russian economy would prove to be and how disastrous the sanctions would be for the Western economies. Unforeseen opportunities have opened up for China and Russia to take full advantage of and they’d be crazy if they didn’t.
Well, at this point I’d say you might be right, that any future detente with Europe or North America is a dead man crawling and so why not take on the multi-polar shift with gusto and never look back. It’s a tantalizing conclusion to a bittersweet 30 yr post-Soviet affair of intrigue and deception with the West.
Everything is correctly stated.
Another piece of evidence is missing. Air defense missiles, having lost an air target, self-destruct. Unless the operator has deliberately disabled this option.
This means that the launch of the Ukrainian S-300 initially pursued a provocative terrorist goal.
And – yes, I agree, at least Ukraine and Poland (the hyena of Europe (c) Churchill), participated in the plan.
One other thing… I don’t see much damage to that overturned farm wagon, the huge crater right next to it, as you can see in the photo. I see tires are perfectly intact. Was there an explosion? https://www.moonofalabama.org/15i/ukmedia3.jpg
If an air defense missile, then a fragmentation warhead should be used and at the bottom of the funnel in the ground 100-150 kilograms of steel rhombic or cubic fragments. But, as noted above, the air defense warhead must work in front of the target or, if the target is lost, self-destruct.
Warheads were made of different types, it seems up to nuclear ones,
in the 70s it was a “weapon from the future”)), which is confirmed by its relevance to this day.
For a provocation, they could launch without filling
This is priceless – Alan Dershowitz is butt-hurt because Zelinsky’s Ukraine is glorifying Nazis :
https://rumble.com/v1uxkhi-ukraine-gets-it-wrong-on-israel-and-jews.html
Zelensky will try again
In simple terms, the US began negotiation with Russia without Elinsky’s puppet government as it did with North Vietnam without the South’s puppet goverment, as it did in all its conflict. as it negotiated with the Taliban without the Kabul government. The Neanderthal Nazis controlling Elinsky, find out the rude way. the US was ditching them.
All they had left was to start WW3.
Nazis seem to always rise from a dicothomy of being psychopaths with barely discernable I.Q.
I hope Russia will continue until it scrapes clean the wound the Neocons and their pudgy Victoria Nulander have inflicted on the Ukraine. This is done by eradicating the Nazis, or even better, exporting them to the lowest I.Q. government in Europe, the Neocon puppeted Polish Goverment.
Larry , do you believe that the Pentagon is trying to backpedal from starting any kind of a confrontation with Russia because it knows that it will lose tremendously? I find it hard to believe that Miley has suddenly discovered his spine and is advocating for peace because he has moral fiber but rather because the long distance game that he was playing has now come very close to home with his soldiers in Europe about to be annihilated if they start a shooting war
This crisis, despite being a crisis that in 2 days no one will talk about, is worth a deeper reflection. Because just a few months ago it was proof that perception is worth more than reality and that propaganda kills! And just think how a few months ago the US also knew perfectly well who shot at the Olenivka prison and kept silent! Which in this case could imply an escalation with NATO troops. In fact, wars have already started that killed many men for much less.
And only one question can arise, who defends us in these cases? Well in a normal situation, always free and independent journalism! That’s why they won the epithet of 4th power in Democracy. To scrutinize all public powers. What we all know is not happening in this conflict. Where journalism isn’t worth a dime completely engaged with power in Washington. And let’s face it, no journalist can force a military man to spew a state secret. Like almost everything in the military environment during a conflict. Where we can only really count on the seriousness and honor of both the military and the Govts. Which we all know haven’t been worth a single penny in this conflict. Creating a completely alternate reality! So where nobody saves us from a catastrophe of which we can’t even imagine the dimension if it suits the US Govt as it has already happened in other phases of this conflict. Where never said a single truth!
You cannot make this stuff up, living history becomes street theatre. Western Civilisation stare’s into their phones watching cartoons, porn and football. Nobody cares!
Nice video.
I really liked the fact that Ryan Dawson addressed you as “Mr Johnson” at the start. Old fashioned courtesy and respect is great. His questions and comments were also insightful, as of course were your answers.
Your insight that Poland is in the wrong direction does not seem to have been aired anywhere else and it makes sense. If I think about WW2, the British did occasionally bomb Switzerland by mistake. They never bombed Ireland by mistake!
Not only the British, on 22-2-1944 the Yanks bombed the historic city of the Dutch town of Nijmegen ‘by mistake’. Circa 800 civilian dead.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardement_op_Nijmegen
Rouen (France) was bombed in 1944 … more than 1200 dead.
A punch drunk & desperate prat UK MI6 clearly had absolutely no fingers or hands in this cluster puk,
Nope, none what so ever
Would’ve succeeded otherwise, ahem.
I believe this was a wild and inaccurate firing of a very old and poorly (if at all) maintained S-300 against a missile targeting Lviv. the missile clearly went off track either through a fault or incompetent soldiers. The collective West plus Ukraine tried to take advantage of it to foment the activation of Articles 4 and 5 but that failed. This was because an honest Polish person published photos showing it was an S-300.
We already know from the experience of MH-17 that Russian radar is rejected outright and US data is always “top secret” so never seen despite promises (ala Kerry). They can’t show their hands. The western MSM look like fools . . . again, but no one cares and this will all away to the 15 minutes of fame and they will move on to some other anti-Russian provocation. Everyone is making too much of this and any rational expectations of applying laws to countries equally should be now proven to be based on insane concepts. There are laws and there are rules and these are applied unequally. None will ever see a courtroom unless the collective West is utterly destroyed and perhaps a “New Nuremberg Trials” will happen assuming Russia and China lead the 85% of the planet not under US hegemonic control. Of course, this won’t happen but wouldn’t it be nice if the US were punished using the same laws they use to punish others? But, the US is exceptional. Europe isn’t. In a sense, this really is a game for all the marbles.
There appear to be some potential problems with Larry’s argument.
The first is that there seems to have been two S300 missiles, one exploded and the other did not. If one exploded when it hit the ground, while the other didn’t explode at all, that would seem to reinforce the notion that these ancient (at least 40 years old) missiles are probably in bad condition, and therefore it is probably not necessary to assume that the autodestruct mechanism was disengaged – perhaps the autodestruct on the whole batch of these missiles has a particular age-related fault so that none of them self-destruct.
Another problem is that one Russian article has disclosed that this is not the first time these missiles have landed in Poland, they have done so again and again – but on previous occasions they just landed in the woods, and were ignored by the Polish authorities. Therefore it would appear that these AD launchers in Lvov are not once but regularly facing in another direction to that which Larry expects – the crew are for whatever reason evidently not complying with his expected protocols – perhaps they are improvising. Perhaps the radar doesn’t work or they avoid switching it on to avoid attracting anti-AD fire, and are just taking wild potshots in the offchance that one might hit – in that case maybe they are shooting as it goes past (side view) because it is easier to see visually from the side. (Whether such a practice is invalid and/or incapable of success is irrelevant, if the crews happen to have decided on that practice). It may also be that the crews – knowing the missiles are old and failing, and unlikely to hit a modern cruise missile – are knowingly using them up on easier targets like drones – hence it is more realistic that they may have been firing to the north.
Still another problem is that the Russian cruise missiles are highly manoeuverable, thus they may approact the target from any direction, which has little to do with the direction from which they were fired. Therefore an X101 could easily be approaching Lvov from the north. It may also be that the AD radars are pointing east, the X101 is coming in from the side to evade the radar, and the operator is manually swinging round to the north to take a potshot at the last moment.
Given that the operating crews may have been firing AD missiles in a northerly direction in attempts to shoot down incoming Russian missiles or drones, and especially in view of the fact that this has already happened not once before but again and again, Larry’s conclusion is unjustified. It is far more likely a combination of antiquated AD missiles, poorly trained crews, and the shear sophistication of modern Russian cruise missiles. Therefore unlikely to be a planned false flag (just exploited as such post-hoc, after news that two civilians had been killed).
It could be how you described it. But given the timing and the harsh statements, this seems to have been planned, even thou very poorly and with no chance to withstand a real investigation or a sound and logic explanation taking all facts in account.
Thinking that NATO would step in was a big miscalculation too. Even if they have had pulled it of as “Russian”, they still would not do anything. Dragging NATO openly and officially would have been a suicide sentence for them. What does NATO have to stop or defeat Russia? They are incapable to face any pier enemy. It would have been Ukraine 2.0, but this time with NATO forces being annihilated by Russian military. NATO on many, many occasions has repetitively stated, that they are no part of this conflict, even thou they are very, very involved already and piratically are part of this conflict and have been for some time.
If it was a mistake, Zelensky hadn’t tried to keep the false flag up after the US confirmed it was a missile from a Ukrainian S-300. It was an attempt by Ukraine to force NATO forces into the war! Because in addition to being militarily finished, it has already realized that it will be dropped by the US. Just listen to Mark Milley! Only the boss of US forces!
I don’t understand your logic that all Ukrainian AA missiles have to fly from west-to-east.
The S-300 can fire in all directions. It is perfectly conceivable that Ukrainian air defense radar did get a target-lock on a Russian missile until *after* it was already past the S-300 complex
(One example, maybe this was the last Russian missile to be engaged out of a salvo, and so it was already well past the Ukrainian S-300 complex by the time they could turn their attention to it)
In which case the Ukrainians would be attempting a shot up the tail pipe, and if they missed then their S-300 missile would keep travelling east-to-west.
AD guarding a city doesn’t work like that. You shoot at incoming missiles. Your radar is also facing towards the direction where the missiles are coming from. Also missiles tend to self-destruct if they loose track or can’t acquire target. So that sort of thing doesn’t happen. Someone did something deliberately here.
Zelensky still doubles down on his false narrative. He made himself look like an utter bind and hateful dictator, not accepting any sound explanation other than what fits his propagandist views by again and again blaming others for his wrong-doings. He showed to the world, that he is the mad and morally corrupted war-criminal, an image he so desperately wants to project on others. Suits him well.
“AD guarding a city doesn’t work like that.”
It is an assumption that this particular S-300 complex was tasked with that role, and only that role.
If they don’t have enough S-300 systems (and I’d bet good money they don’t) then they aren’t going to be able to dedicate them to a singular role.
They could well be tracking everything, everywhere within radar range, and if they can get a lock on a Russian missile then they may well be ordered to take the shot, dammit, irrespective of where that missile is heading or what is in its path.
I doubt very much that the Ukrainians have either the time or the inclination for finessing what they do with the S-300 systems they still have available to them.
They have been very unlucky (too incompetent?) to fend off anything so far. Their PR department is making up stuff that defies simple math and usual physics. They obviously cope very hard with reality here. But not only here. They have been begging for AD systems all along. First they begged for better weapons. Now that they got them and nothing has changed, they twist their narrative that with proper AD they will be able to push back. So far they did achieve nothing of significance with that too. Some AD systems seem to have been already delivered and probably in service?
Russia is meanwhile knocking out one critical system after another. Their recon drones seem to be able to fly without any interception too. Meanwhile Zely is still begging for a no-fly zone. Nato is not that stupid though.
Just as with everything else so far. Wishful thinking and pure BS. It is a waste of time to read what the Ukie side has to say. They are wrong 99% of the time anyway. How the public in the west believes that crap is beyond me. Decades of propaganda 24/7 payed off I guess. People are really brainwashed there.
Maybe it’s time for Russian to decapitate the government of Ukraine once and for all. Zelensky and his gang were being kept around to sign a surrender document but there completely insane neonazis. Taking out the government might allow a sane person to come to power and put an end to this madness of stroking the nuclear button. The Ukrainian RADA just voted 380 to 0 to have Russia removed from the G-20. Crazy is as crazy does.
Good point, Raven.
The drug addict from Kiev addressed the G-20 told them that once Ukraine was ‘freed’, he would be freeing the Kuril Islands amongst other places.
Not unlike the global warming Greta, the Kiev coke fuelled fruitcake can get away with any imbecility he likes, a total absence of common sense seems to bother nobody, the hatred of Russia beats the search for truth hands down.
You’re completely right, of course.
What hasn’t been mentioned is that a number of reports were saying that it was fired hours after the last RU missile landed in Lvov, and that the air raid sirens had been quiet for ~2hrs.
If that’s so, then it rather strongly indicates the Ukies were either shooting at the moon, or trying another stunt.
The fact that it landed so close to the border suggests another thing. That it may not have come from Lvov at all, but from a position at/close to maximum range from the border, perhaps by a rogue crew en route between stations.
Except, given range advantage, Russian cruise missiles can be easily routed in a way to come at target from multiple directions. These are +1500km weapons, flying at targets < 300km from border.
not the S-300. Stick with the facts.
These cruise missiles that you posit out of thin air also have massive warheads, which generally kill more than 2 people when they go boom
All I needed to know to ascertain the truth is that there were only 2 Polish civilians killed. So, were they trying to say that, Russia’s military command, after hitting Ukraine’s MOD building and putting out the lights in most of Ukraine decided to go for the coup de grace by killing 2 Polish civilians
And then when dissenters said, “But that could trigger the entry of NATO and a possibility of nuclear war which could kill millions of our civilians.” …. are they trying to say the answer to that was “We’ll just have to take that risk; we gotta take out those two Polish farmers.”
Ну конечно! .. Well, of course
typical German press headline today
… Selenskyj bestreitet Raketen-Fehler – Nato-Diplomat entsetzt: „Ukraine zerstört Vertrauen“…..
Translation : Zelensky argues missile was not Ukrainian. NATO diplomat
Horrified – „Ukraine is destroying our Trust“
https://www.merkur.de/politik/rakete-polen-tote-nato-abschuss-selenskyj-putin-strack-zimmermann-schuldige-diplomat-russland-krieg-91921395.html
I have no doubt that everyone knew where the missile was fired from. I don’t see this as a solo Ukraine effort. But the optics needed to be played all over the world. Headlines screaming that Russia fired on Poland was the mantra of the day. Sadly for the idiots, social media posted pictures of the missiles almost immediately. Mantra didn’t last even 24 hours. In the face of being too embarrassed, JoeBama and crew backed off fast. Truth is an amazing disinfectant.
When the monkey tries to control the organ-grinder, the monkey is in for a painful beating.
True Blue, Cobber!
Though I’m fairly certain that any talk of spanking monkeys will result in a harsh word from Dame Edna.
LOL
Yeah, typical Ukie crap. BUT, they keep at it. They continually are trying something. Pushing, with a lot of energy and plain inventiveness. Fighting far harder than was ever expected.
Meanwhile, the Russians look like stunned ducks. Always on the defensive. “Issuing statements”. Never creative. Always appearing apologetic. Their infantry can’t get its act together. Their whole campaign has collapsed. They will never get to Odessa. Weak, feeble, lacking grit and resolution.
Right, kind of like literally anyone fighting Muhammad Ali.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope
I recommed you Volunteer for Zelenski forces. He fights with a lot of energy and plain inventiveness by repeatedly sarcifising lives for yet another sucide charge. Looking good on Instagram is what it’s all about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF3g4Ua5e7k
As I said earlier : red lines are drawn.
Hellenski can have all the humanitarian aid, weapons , condottirero , money , cocaine and hookers he wants , but the US won’t commit NATO in …despite Poland and the Baltic craving for it.
Yet , most medias still relay the kakhols claims “Russia did it” this morning. It might not be intentional, but if it is, what’s the goal ? Blaming Hellensky for everything in the end and trying to get out of that shit before it’s too late ? Maybe : everyone is trying to settle a peace in the west right now, and Russia leaving Kherson is more presented as a Russian commitment to a long winter campaign than an AFU victory. They didn’t use those kind of words before , as if this war begin to be too long for them to bear.
Dude. Nobody in Poland is “craving for War”. Except few Ukrainian trolls and NGOs of dubious origins.
A significant part of the condottiero fighting in 404 speaks polish already , they use polish T72M and other poles-given weapons , most of them are trained in Poland.
So much for a country where nobody is “craving for war” that it can redefine pacifism itself :þ
Duda officially call for “article 4” , and was not that far off from calling the next one in the list… Boy , it’s no mystery than the Poles and the Russians are not buddy-buddy.
Remember the “thank you USA” after NS sabotage.
Were the two people killed targetted, or just astronomically unlucky?
Astronomically unlucky farmers, basically working in proximity of equipment that could have provided contrast for the guidance system.
Nice interview with Ryan, Larry. and at RT last week. I almost spit my coffee when you and Ryan touched on the more nefarious activities in all this business with FTX. MSM is treating FTX as just a series of bad breaks, poor guys, went broke. I had no idea prior to reading and then hearing you and Ryan this morning the depths of this thing.
But I’m curious, me being being a New England/Tampa guy, what happens to the FTX Front Man Tom Brady, now embroiled in this along with his now-ex wife, in a class action suit brought by lower-caste investors? Could he have been aware of the depths of the financial depravity committed here? Would that be the theory of the suit? It’s all very new, can’t wait to see the paperwork which isn’t out on the streets yet.
You and Andrei Martyanov, throw in Phillip Giraldi, Ryan moderating? I’m in! Amazing Smoothiex is still on U-Toob. I get his podcasts a day or three before they hit his blog and Saker’s and that’s handy. Thanks be that there are other venues.
Cheers!
One note about missiles. S-300 is moniker for TWO families of A2A systems, basically S-300P and S-300W, made by two design bureaus and wild collections of missile types employed by both. Russia has reportedly scored 215km hits with S-300W (V, depending on transcription) which they seem to own exclusively. Other S-300 systems are in use in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. However, range is usually given as _effective_ range against manouvering air target – ballistic range is number of times greater. Some missiles are comparable in size with SM-2/SM-6 and range, of especially later one, is monstrous.
Most of these missiles are OLD – basically, late Soviet build but capable of fighting in 360 degrees around the launcher. Largers missiles for S-300 carry 120-150 kg warheads (that’s more explosive than in Mk.82 bomb).
US-NATO warmongering has officially reached the absurd level. It is a natural consequence of constructed lies. Just watched an episode of the Little House On the Prairies. An alcoholic father keeps battering his young son. The entire Walnut Grove Village elders are concerned about the boy’s unfortunate state. Charles Ingalls tries helping the alcoholic father. It turns out the father has been lying to himself since the son was born, blaming him for the death of his mother at birth. To cover his lies he turned to alcohol. The story is very similar to what the current US global posture is all about, a crazy addict who has been lying all along.
Today, “der Zelensky” has backtracked a wee bit..well, a bit like a child caught in a lie and whose defense is that no one really knows %100 what happened. Only that something happened. As adults, we all understand that to mean he is morally, emotionally and intellectually incapable of accepting responsibility.
Imagine waking up in bed, naked, with a women other than your wife in bed with you. When questioned by your wife your only answer being, “Well, honey…I don’t know what happened. All I know for sure is we were both naked and in the same bed.”
Anytime attitudes begin to shift ever so slightly toward even the slightest hint of ending this conflict, the party of chaos and their agents cook up new ideas for its continuation.
Staged bodies of war crimes atrocities, false flag missile attacks on civilians at train stations, barrages of nuclear power plants, shelling of hydroelectric dams,
economic terror ops like bridge and pipeline sabotage, and on and on.
It’s so predictable now, does anyone take it seriously anymore? That outside the mainstream media lie propagation organizations.
Question that I have is how valuable to the establishment is Zelenski now, with a failed false flag and FTX scandal out in the open? I can see martyrdom coming soon.
“You may insist that the Sun rises in the West, ”
Isn’t it a grave humor euphemism for a NUCLEAR ATTACK?
Perhaps this incident is intended to move the growing FTX scandal off the front page, so that the scam can be kept alive longer for the benefit of all DC and Kiev. Z and his cronies have estates to pay for and running dogs to support. Ditto the DC establishment. Note that GOPe as well as Dems got FTX money. Also the perps have to be protected from actual justice, like John Corzine.
The question is: What next to remove attention from the scam? My vote is an FEC investigation into Kari Lake and her campaign, accompanied by a quick GESTAPO raid and imprisonment at Spandau. Oops, I meant the FBI and the DC jail. As Obama running dog David Plouffe wrote ” Its not enough to defeat these people, they must be destroyed”
please document the “GOP”ers that received FTX funds…….not what I have been reading….almost a purely democrat slush fund
I’ve read at least a dozen pieces on FTX, between Zero Hedge, CTH, Unz and bell ringers at Gateway Pundit, so nailing down the exact piece isn’t in the cards. Pls note:
– The donation was small compared to Dem ones.
– It was made to McConnell’s Senatorial PAC, hence GOPe, not GOP. The “e” is a key distinction.
– There is a video also out there, a well made and sober one, that stayed away from the political stuff but said that FTX is organizationally related to abt 70 companies. The presenter thought this a shell game.
i certainly understand why you asked, particularly in view of my disgust with the US political establishment. Its good the people do.
Anybody can post abt anything on the web. I’ve found ZH, Unz , CTH and this site to be far more right than wrong, hence that’s where I go.
“FTX is organizationally related to abt 70 companies. The presenter thought this a shell game”
Sounds to me just like Kolomoisky’s m.o. What are the chances that he’s in the thick of it.
Serendipitously, Zero Hedge lead article, just posted “This is unprecedented: Enron liquidator overseeing..” outlines FTX org chart and Corp controls. Built for scamming.
McConnell’s slush fund got $2.5M.
Thanks! Count on Mitch to be bipartisan.
I think FTX supplanted earlier money laundering schemes. I recall G Beck outlining an entire network; took him an hour. He is irratic, but his researchers aren’t. Trump stuck his nose In it and got impeached for his efforts. That scheme ran a lot wider than the Biden family.
Wonder if Vindmann saw some backhanders out of it; figure his Congressional testimony cost far more than the typical O5 can afford. $1500 an hour for testimony, prep coaching, etc. Big bill!
Grandiose sense of importance, paranoia, manipulation and a Zero sum mentality are hallmarks of narcissism. Western foreign policy is narcissism.
“It’s so predictable now, does anyone take it seriously anymore?”
Good question. I’ve lost touch with my fellow citizens, so I really couldn’t say, I only talk about sports and the weather these days.
On day 3 or 4 of this SMO I told my brother that this war is over, what follows from here, whether it lasts a month or a year, whether thousands will die or tens of thousands, this is now a mop up operation, and the Russians will take in Ukraine, that which suits their purpose.
My brother knows that I, at all times, strive for objectivty in such matters, yet he immediately denounced me as a Putin Puppet, slammed the door and we haven’t talked since.
My brother is highly educated man of 61 years. Now does he believe that the average Russian soldier is a viagra filled madman that loves nothing more than to shirk his duty so he can go off and rape babies by bayonet?
I don’t know, and I don’t want to know, as I’m afraid I won’t like the answer.
Whatever it was that made my brother mine, has vanished into The Narrative.
The funniest thing about Viagra story, besides it already being used in Libya, is that it implies that Pfizer cooperates with Russian military. It also sounds like the most convoluted product placement ever because they are “using” Viagra and note some domestic or Chinese stuff.
Russians feel about Ukrainians the way you feel about you brother. Imagine what would you do if he was to attack you in some way.
Some say that one should not contribute to malice what can be contributed to incompetence. Ukrainian S-300 missile stock is older than the state of Ukraine itself. You don’t even need drunk operators for them to malfunction and go who-knows-where.
This is not even the first incident of this type. Their AA has managed to hit so many building on their own territory, that they had to come up with the story about Russians using S-300 missiles for ground attacks (because they ran out of regular missiles).
This is also not the first attack on NATO, because half a year ago they have sent big old Soviet drone over multiple NATO countries.
P.S. This looks too dumb to be false flag, even by Ukrainian standards.
These cruise missiles that you posit out of thin air also have massive warheads, which generally kill more than 2 people when they go boom
All I needed to know to ascertain the truth is that there were only 2 Polish civilians killed. So, were they trying to say that, Russia’s military command, after hitting Ukraine’s MOD building and putting out the lights in most of Ukraine decided to go for the coup de grace by killing 2 Polish civilians
And then when dissenters said, “But that could trigger the entry of NATO and a possibility of nuclear war which could kill millions of our civilians.” …. are they trying to say the answer to that was “We’ll just have to take that risk; we gotta take out those two Polish farmers.”
Ну конечно! .. Well, of course
https://twitter.com/Pysia_M/status/1592986658823364608?s=20&t=whmeTJdD1B7sfpNR-1l-XQ
There was almost a Polish Beirut.
I’m assuming 15 meters…
If this bullet hit the fertilizer storage (ammonium nitrate), then there would be no bullet marks and nothing within a kilometer radius.
By a tiny bit…
This rocket was intentionally aimed at this object.
Thanks for the link. The presence of ammonium nitrate nearby puts the event in a whole new light. I’m inclined to agree with the author that it was very likely to have been the target.
Had it been hit, most/all of the village would’ve been levelled with casualties in the tens or even hundreds and the likelihood of finding recognizable missile fragments would have been greatly reduced. The carnage would’ve catapulted the narrative, already on hair trigger, into hyperdrive with the Mighty Wurlitzer cranked up to 11.
The voices of reason we heard coming from the West came much too quickly when they shouldn’t have come at all. It had all the earmarks of pre-emptive damage control rather than any sudden conversion to truth-telling.
I think you have to separate a deliberate false flag from just a cock up and an opportunistic lie.
Kramatorsk where the “for the children” was painted on in Russia was a deliberate false flag, albeit not a very well thought out one, it was simply some nazi that wanted to shell the bastards in Kramatorsk and kill some locals, who added a distracting sign on the missile.
The claims Russia fired at the nuclear power station weren’t part of an elaborate plot to frame Russia. just someone decided to cause trouble by firing at it, and someone else thought they could bluff their way out of it. Opportunistic lie.
MH17 was almost certainly a cock up by one on the 3 or 4 Ukrainian BUKs within range (rather than the mythical Russian BUK that charged magically into Ukraine, picked up Ukrainian rebels as drivers, fired once and ran away without any one seeing as much as a puff of smoke).
That US/Kiev got so quickly on the propaganda trail to blame Russia does suggest they knew what actually happened early, but not that they planned it.
(It might be that it wasn’t a BUK at all – the evidence for is weak and supplied by Ukraine intelligence; in that case all possibilities are open).
Przewodów was clearly an accident. Moon of Alabama is good on this – S-300s are fired in pairs and have a range of 75km – these two landed 70km from Lvov and were fired at about the same time as Russian missiles were incoming.
Zelensky is an idiot, and he doesn’t have a reliable intelligence network reporting to him. Yes they are very good at making up and broadcasting lies, but very poor at establishing truths. It would be very hard for Zelensky to get an honest story out of his staff.
Much easier for Duda or even Biden.
Could something more damaging be imagined, planned and perpetrated on a Western civilization already in its death throws to help finish up its last feeble attempts at self defense than this Ukraine ignominy?
Humanity is under attack by forces that seek to destroy Western civilization and replace it with a medieval Dark Ages like neo-feudalism.
With America dead and replaced by the socialist Venezuerica and eurabia subject to the Brussels neo-nazis and invaded by replacement pisslim orcs the Ukraine ignominy is just a tool for the further erosion and dismantlement of human civilization.
And every juicy morsel of bullsh!t we are being fed is another PSYOPS.
What do the Ku Klux Klimate cult, the Branch Covidians covidiocy scam-demic and these S-300 missiles false flag have in common?
They are all PSYOPS by an emerging religion of utter collectivization taking over the planet.
Messianic and aggressive, this modern Maarx Moloch cult of social justice and bullshitsectionality and feminazism and seeing humans as a planetary pathogen and so on and so forth is just a tool in the hands of feudal lords wannabees that are getting away with anything they devise because we, humans, are so full of bullsh!t and cowardice that we don’t want to see what’s happening.
The exhaustion of our military resources and supplies (that would take years we won’t have, to replace) aims at the same objective as the general destruction of our military by wokeness: weaken Venezuerica so the next peer to peer war is lost and the last remnants and memories of America sink into oblivion so Maarx-social-justice-Moloch and its rabidly fanatical followers can take over and reign and the Davoser World Economic Forum and its accomplices, enablers, thugs, goons and orcs triumph and get away with the murder of human civilization.
Welcome to slavery, human.
“ARBEIT MACHT FREI”
that article got it wrong..that racket came from Lvov, not kijow!
I picked this up, from Friends of Russia. I cannot confirm its accuracy:
”’The head of the Lublin City Council has called for a review of Poland’s policy towards Ukraine after Ukraine struck:
“I don’t understand at all the actions of our President and government… This is a Ukrainian missile. This is a provocation on the part of the Ukrainian authorities… The missile could not have been mistakenly launched 100 km in the opposite direction. The purpose of the provocation is to speed up arms deliveries to Ukraine, to intimidate Europe with a scary Russia, so that civil society demands that European governments increase aid to Ukraine. Today our president should not reassure us with tales like “it was not so much the rocket explosion as the explosion of fuel that was there” and “it was an accident”, but make it clear to V. Zelenski that Poland will not tolerate such behavior of the Ukrainian authorities anymore! I urge you to reconsider Poland’s position on this war in case of another crossing of the red line!”
One thing to remember, this is not a Ukranian war. This is a conflict largely created, funded, organiser and driven by the West. Primarily USUK and France and Canada tagging along.
Biden Admin and the Europeans have openly called for regime change and break up of Russia. They have himiliated, threatened, robben and punished Russia in brutal economic and diplomatic behaviour that tore the fabric right out of any semblance of decency between states and objectivity of international institutions influenced by the West. It didn’t just tear Russia relations, the fissures tore all across a world affecting everyone and everything. This was an act of enormous global harm reaching every part of the planet.
Is it so surprising therefore, that Ukraine thought they were giving the West the excuse they needed to get involved more directly and openly in the war?
Imagine their horror when the West turned away. They in their minds are fighting as much for the West as for themselves. For themselves they would have negotiated in March. In fact they did. USUK scuppered that. Now with over 200k killed or injured, a devastated economy and winter coming. The West just turns away.
Imagine that. Just like that. Ask the Kurds and the Northern Alliance.
Public opinion may turn in the West, eyes may open. But imagine the sense of betrayal felt in Ukraine. They get it now. They are the ones who must die. Just them.
Blowback. That is what will happen when Ukrainians realize that they are just pawns in a greater geopolotical game.
It will be real and painful for Europe.
Wait till millions more innocent Ukrainians seek refuge in Europe over the next few months. They are leaving everything behind, including famiy members and with each passing day, have less to go back to.
Western Europe, deluded and in bizarro world for the last 8 months, will soon seek peace at all costs. Europe simply cant afford to feed & house millions upon millions of angry Ukrainians who will never forgive them for their role in the destruction of their country.
“They have himiliated, threatened, robben and punished Russia in brutal economic and diplomatic behaviour that tore the fabric right out of any semblance of decency between states and objectivity of international institutions influenced by the West. ”
That is what they believed they have done, and they believe that they continue to do, hence a salesman attempted a fear close in hope of “negotiations”.
The head of the committee of chiefs of staff of the US Armed Forces claims that he tried to get through to the chief of the General Staff of the Russian Federation regarding the situation in Poland, but could not – media — Intel Slava Z
Whatever Burns’ warning in Ankara, Russia’s reply is spooking the Biden Administration. Zelensky’s repeated denials of a “stray” Ukrainian S-300 landing in Poland (a plausible explanation) and assertions of a Russian “attack” being dismissed in the West indicate a sudden shift in sentiment. Previously, any Ukrainian claim of war crimes against Russia would be immediately and uncritically echoed and amplified by Western officials, politicians, and media.
But not this time…
I have no doubt that it was not our missile and not our missile attack. — Zelensky
“It’s getting ridiculous. The Ukrainians are destroying [our] trust in them. Nobody blames Ukraine and they are outright lying. It’s more destructive than a missile,” a diplomat from a NATO country told the Financial Times… — Intel Slava Z
Zelensky only made this claim because the West, and specifically Western media, have uncritically supported every Ukrainian claim — up to this point. (And, apparently, started to amplify this one as well…)
Hmmm. The meeting. A warning. Russia launches one hundred and fifty missiles in two days. An attempted Ukrainian false flag with potential to escalate the war and directly involve NATO. Immediate (and emphatic) Western denial of same…
And now this —
U.S. runs out of stocks of some weapons and munitions it promised to supply to Ukraine – CNN
We are talking about 155-mm artillery ammunition and Stingers.
CNN sources believe that there may be difficulties with Javelin, HARM missiles and GMLRS.
“It is not yet possible to quickly establish in the United States the production of weapons and ammunition, the stocks of which have been reduced, just as it is impossible to request them from allies in Europe.” — Intel Salva Z
I believe that the United States and the Russian Federation are currently in talks to end the conflict.
I believe, the two parties are quite a ways from an agreement. The United States will, in my opinion, want a result that allows a ‘Peace withHonor’ claim. While Russia needs a result, that is a clear Russian victory.
I wonder if our man Zelensky fears that if these talks go forward his value as a second rate comic may be eclipsed by his value as a dead martyr. The missile attack may have been a desperate attempt to sabotage the negotiations.
Or, perhaps this is being stage managed to make Ukraine seem less attractive to the Western public. Less victim; more crazy. That way, when the US sues for peace, it will be more politically palatable. It will appear less like the US lost to Russia and more a pragmatic move for the good of the world.
I wonder if our man Zelensky fears that if these talks go forward his value as a second rate comic may be eclipsed by his value as a dead martyr.
BINGO!
This whole business failed because The Atlantic Council had Eliot Higgins busy mopping floors in their executive suites instead of doing what he does best.
Hey, the man’s on payroll. Gotta keep him busy somehow.
Things seem to make sense. Almost immediately Soltz said there are no plans for a no-fly zone which the pro-Ukrainian zealots wanted like yesterday. I would guess the French, Germans, and probably the Italians are not keen on Poland and cocaine Zelensky forcing them into a shooting war with Russia. Appears Biden and Co. were not happy about it either. Fully expect Western press to turn on rock star Zelensky.,
Ukraine launched a false flag attack on Poland. Never mind if it’s true or not, whatever makes them look bad is fine by me, and since when has the truth ever mattered to them anyway?
What about this ? US/UK looking for an exit from the Ukraine mess recruited some Ukrainians military to launch the missile to Poland in order to decredibilize the Kiev regime, and prepare their public opinions to a withdrawal from Ukraine, and some negociations / capitulation talks.
They intentionally fired at an inhabited place to kill Polish people. They succeeded. They are blackmailing the continental United States with the threat of a nuclear attack because the unstated reality is that they can use a bigger missile next to hit a more densely populated place with desired increased savagery of outcome. Today they shot 74 people in Kherson who they claimed were collaborators and 5 soldiers in the Eastern areas publicly for being insufficiently submissive to their need for human Cannon fodder. No one believes what the Ukrainian say, even their supporters.
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Attack on Polish soil deliberate provocation.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/11/17/pers-n17.html
I don’t know anything about missiles. Is it normal that they look undamaged, like someone just laid it down there?
I get the impression support for Ukraine is definitley on the wane, the price of this proxy war is becoming too heavy a burden for Europe to bear.
Germany and France had private discussions with Lavrov at the G20.
Read into that what you will.
“”Today I had a short conversation with President Macron, who confirmed his intention to continue contacting President Putin to find some agreements that will settle the whole situation,” said the Russian Foreign Minister”.
“Lavrov added that he had short meetings with Macron and Scholz”.
Biden just asked for $31 billion more for UKR and lap dog Milley went out there and begged for it too. So, while UKR might be on the wane, the kickback scam is alive and well. Long live the MIC.
Kudos again to you Mr. Johnson. I do not miss a post of yours. This war truly illustrates the short attention span and ADHD of the Western World. The minutia analyzing and navel gazing truly amuses me. Big picture. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
1) The EU economy is dying. Their energy costs tripled. Even if they survive winter, they cannot economically compete without cheap Russian energy.
2) NATO members NEVER met their financial commitments before their economies died. How do they refill their armories that are now empty with no economies?
3) The US Army is not filling enlistment quotas. There is an ongoing purge of the US Military to refill it with “woke” warriors. The Russian Army mobilized 300,000. They had 80,000 VOLUNTEERS who signed up.
4) The Russian Army is tuning up. They are finding out what Generals fight. What weapons systems work. This is their Spanish Civil War redux. And we nominate more steers and queers who never fought to Flag rank.
5) The Western World is realizing the inevitable. The Washington Post is talking about “negotiations”. Winners don’t negotiate. Losers ask for a table to talk at.
6) Even the Europeans are realizing their biggest threat is not Russia. It is US foreign policy.
7) As the infrastructure dies, a flood of Ukrainian refugees will head to broke and cold European countries. The pressure build will be exponential.
Big Picture. Russia could hold the current lines. Just sit there. And Ukraine and the EU will be destroyed.
My reply is a bit late 😎… thank you Larry and thank you for the link to your talk. I found your analysis interesting, as always. Only Scott Ritter and you maintain (as far as I can see) that the missile was fired purposefully. Others – Alexander and Alex of the Duran, Brian Berletic….etc – talk about a malfunction of the old Soviet air system that Ukraine is using. What I found interesting is the response to the constant lying of Zelenskiy. Maybe there is a hope of some shift in MSM reporting; but I doubt it.
Aaron: “…A massive fault line down the center of America called the Madrid Fault.”
Actually, it’s the New Madrid Fault, named after New Madrid, Mo. (Pronounced New Mad’rid, not Ma’drid). It bucked up considerably in 1812, reversing the course of the Mississippi. Since the population of Missouri then was in the thousands, if that, no real damage done. Those log cabins were sturdier than they looked.
A lot has been written about the fault, and it is said to rival the San Andreas Fault. Here in Missouri, some of us are downright proud of that…take that, California!
But thus far it hasn’t blown. I know it’s said it might rip up the Mississippi past New Orleans, making St. Louis a possible sea port, but all the way to the Great Lakes? That’s a new one.
It seems another doomsday urban legend . Being 70 I’ve heard a doom and gloom prophesies for decades. Troubling that Ukraine could be the real deal, although it feels lame now, with the missile scandal. They can’t even peddle a false flag story anymore. Sad how lying is so accepted now. In my younger days, there was a hypocritical dignity in falsification. No more. They just don’t care what they say.
Perhaps Zelenski is a hostage to the military hardliners. They simply provided him with “evidence” and talking points about the missiles. It seems strange that he would be willing to blatantly contradict his allies and sponsors.
” In my younger days, there was a hypocritical dignity in falsification.”
Agree.
Woke up late on the day in question, to news from the wife that Russia has bombed Pooland. “Nah – that’s gotta be bullshit” was my immediate reply. “The Kalibas & the hypersonics are SUPER Accurate – either Pooland has done it to themselves or the UkroNAZIS have done it on purpose” Once I brought up some of the images I voiced the opinion that there was a faint chance that it may, MAY have been caused by an undiscovered WW2 munition unearthed by a plow or some such, but that that was unlikely . . . . but stranger things had happened at sea. { I know, I know – it didn’t happen at sea . . . . It’s just an expression I use 😉 } Luckily, someone had taken some photos & they’d uploaded them. If that had NOT happened & the ‘authorities’ had had full ‘narrative control’ who knows where we would be now . . . . nowhere good that’s for certain. We {And by ‘we’ I mean Russia, Europe & countries north of the equator in particular} may not be so lucky next time round. Because there WILL be another attempt at a false flag by the psychos in Kiev who are DESPERATE for direct NUTO involvement. They can only hide their catastrophic losses in men & material for so long. Anyone actually paying attention is already well aware of the realities on the ground . . . . we’re waiting for the rest of the world to catch up !!
Cheers Larry from “Nuclear Free New ‘Eland” {the “Z” is banned don’t you know}
Of course it was a false flag. ALL false flags of significance since 9-11 – after – and before were jew instigated ( meaning jews and or jew allies like USA) As a former 60 Green Beret paratroop commander historian and author publisher of several books on foreign policies – I can safely state that America has never had a friend it did not betray or an enemy it did not embrace. School kids haven’t a clue to the FACT that OUR OWN GOVT guaranteed the success of mega murderer Marxist monsters like Mao and Stalin.
Think that is a crazy baseless statement? Check it our for your selves. I can’t speak for the readers -but I hate being made a fool of by the lies and deceit our own govt has handed us.over the years. ALL REAL Americans should DEMAND TRUTH!
History will eventually bear me out. We will see that the gas line sabotage as well as the bridge destruction were also created from Tel Av iv. If it is anything that will foment more wars and misery and destruction and human suffering – jew fingerprints will ALWAYS be present. These people have been treacherous since they demanded the murder of Christ.
I lived among these demons as an insider many years ago. In 40 year and over 31 nations I have traveled to none have been so psychopathicly evil as the jews . Thee was good reason that Jesus exposed these creature as satan’s spawn – 2000 year ago!
This false flag operation was carried out by the Ucro-Banderites in full agreement with the Polish government. The Ukrainians need NATO’s involvement and the Jewish “government” of Poland needs to postpone the spring elections, which it must lose. Already on November 9, a spokesman for the “government” warned against a possible outbreak of war on Polish territory. He spoke of it as something SURE.
Poland is very well in on the false flag. Immediately after it happened Duda made a public statement that there’s going to be an emergency meeting with rest of EU to invoke article 4. The same day the meeting Poland was to have to invoke so-call article 4. Biden publicly pour cold water on the false flag nonsense. Then European Union officials put out a statement saying. There will be no article4. It was only then Poland started backtracking fast. It was embarrassing & cringy to watch Polish officials in lock-step with Ukraine. European Union leaders do not Trust Poland after this. & EU was already annoyed Poland is trying to be kingmaker in Europe. It’s over for Poland & Ukraine.
Excellent analysis Larry. I also don’t believe it was an accident.
I’d also like to point out how the timing of this false flag attempt corresponded quite remarkably with the release of the Dutch court findings that found three men guilty (2 Russians, 1 pro-Russian Ukrainian) of the murder of 298 people onboard flight MH17, which of course was always going to be blamed on the Russians.
All designed to invoke more hate towards Russia and possibly trigger Article 5 of the NATO agreement.
The wretched Rech is only here to fill up the blog with his spurious posts in an effort put off sensible posters, in other words he is trolling. Do no fee the troll.
Dear Mr. Johnson, may I post an update on the missile incident?
According to this source, the first reporter who provided the (mis)information has been fired:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/11/21/james-laporta-associated-press-poland-russia-missile/
https://apnews.com/article/nato-europe-business-8a51b03362facdaa232a8e1846834157
A former USMC intelligence chief?
Thanks for reading and publishing.
What does not make sense is that LaPorta’s editor was not fired as well. LaPorta’s work was reviewed by at least one, if not two other levels of editors. Where is the accountability for them?
According to the New York Post, the editors would be:
AP European desk editor Lisa Leff
AP vicepresident for news and investigation Ron Nixon
AP deputy European news editor Zeina Karam
Gonzalo Lira has a verrry intereztink take on what MAY have happened re the ‘Russian’ missile hitting Poland. I wonder if any of your viewers might be able to find any evidence to confirm or deny this theory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0qIp16Cx_o