For those not inclined to read to the end, here’s the bottomline — Israeli sources are admitting that the Israeli military killed its own civilians due to the oxymoronic term, “friendly fire.”
The Government of Israel, in the aftermath of this debacle, worked furiously to proclaim the Hamas attack as mindless terrorism that had no other purpose than to slaughter Jews. Netanyahu’s government lied about Hamas murdering 40 babies and raping women. Not true. The only children killed that day were victims of the Israeli military.
Israeli media reported earlier that a 12-year-old girl, Liel Hetzroni, was killed in the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Kibbutz Be’eri in southern Israel.
According to the reports, following Liel’s killing, her grandfather Avia, twin brother Yanai and aunt Ayala were taken to another location, where they were killed along with more than 10 other hostages and then Hamas allegedly set fire to the building. . . .
However, after Yasmin Porat, who was in the house where the twins were held hostage, had said that the deaths were caused by Israeli tank fires, Hadas Dagan, the owner of the house where the hostages were held, also broke her silence.
In an interview with Channel 12 in Israel, Dagan confirmed that the Israeli army attacked the house where Israeli civilians were held by Hamas with tank fires and heavy weapons.
Recounting the horror over the killing of 14 people in the house, including her husband, Dagan talked about the moment Israeli soldiers arrived in front of their house. “At that point, it was clear to me that our role is to be a human shield between our (Israeli) forces that arrived and them (Hamas).”
The Hamas attack was planned months in advance. We now know that Israeli intelligence officers tried to warn their bosses but were ignored. The Hamas plan was simple and had two objectives — 1) attack Israeli military position and kill soldiers, and 2) capture hostages to be used as bargaining chips to secure the release of imprisoned Palestinians. As I noted in a previous post, Hamas hit elements of the elite Golani Brigade and killed 72 of its members. That is not terrorism, that is war.
YNET News published a piece today on “friendly fire” casualties by the Israeli military and buried this at the bottom of their piece:
Casualties fell as a result of friendly fire on October 7, but the IDF believes that beyond the operational investigations of the events, it would not be morally sound to investigate these incidents due to the immense and complex quantity of them that took place in the kibbutzim and southern Israeli communities due to the challenging situations the soldiers were in at the time.
I guess this is Israel’s version of “Don’t ask, Don’t tell.” Remember the rave in the desert that was attacked by Hamas paragliders? The Hamas attackers were carrying rifles and pistols. They had no weapon system capable of causing this damage to the vehicles. These were hit by missiles fired by Israeli military helicopters.
The GrayZone’s reporting on the October 7 attacks has upended the account offered by the Israeli Government:
Unverified claims circulated by Israel that Hamas militants beheaded 40 babies on 7 October were widely rejected as propaganda which, critics argue, was designed to garner sympathy for Israel to carry out collective punishment of Gaza’s 2.2 million. However, a closer examination of events by The Grayzone tells a different story: one in which the Israeli military itself bears responsibility for numerous civilian deaths. The emerging details not only contradict the Israeli government’s version of events, but indicate that, in the chaos of battle, reckless Israeli fire likely led to significant casualties among the Israeli population.
More evidence comes from witness Danielle Rachiel, who described nearly being killed after escaping from the Hamas attack on the Nova music festival. As she drove to safety, Israeli security forces shot directly at her vehicle until she shouted in Hebrew to identify herself as Israeli.
The Israeli news outlet, Yedioth Aharanoth, is reported saying that “the pilots realised that there was tremendous difficulty in distinguishing within the occupied outposts and settlements who was a terrorist and who was a soldier or civilian … The rate of fire against the thousands of terrorists was tremendous at first and, only at a certain point, did the pilots begin to slow down the attacks and carefully select the targets.”
Meanwhile, footage from inside kibbutzes shows absolute devastation resembling Israel’s repeated bombardment of Gaza over the years. Apache helicopter pilots have admitted to firing continuously without intelligence on targets, while tank crews were ordered to shell homes, regardless of Israeli hostages potentially inside.
People who may have doubted the GrayZone reporting now have additional evidence to weigh in the aftermath of Israeli soldiers murdering three Israeli hostages who escaped their Hamas captors. Israel spent years bolstering its reputation as a professional, capable military force. Now, in the span of almost three months, the Israeli military is facing a pubic relations disaster. Instead of disciplined soldiers commanded by capable officers, the world is seeing an army and air force that is undisciplined, reckless and quick on the trigger. The United States Army was tarred by the My Lai massacre. The Israeli military campaign in Gaza in My Lai on steroids.
All of those years at the CIA and you never once thought to yourself “these people are not our friends”?
Some of us figured it out a long time ago, tried to stop it, and are now under non stop (j.ewish run and ordered) US government harassment; but these articles are very appreciated.
Let me say it one last time; Israel is not our friend. I’m not a huge fan of the Palestinians either, but if I had to pick one, the choice would be clear. It’s the Palestinians land after all; the Israeli “purity” blood tests to for their citizenship test proves that too (and that “they” are 50% more likely to get major mental disorders like schizophrenia, probably why “they” think their “gods chosen”.)
-Remember the USS liberty.
-Remember General Patton was killed for speaking the truth.
-Remember Israel knew about 9/11 before hand and didn’t warn us, then proclaimed afterwards “9/11 was good for Israel”
– Remember that since 9/11 the US Gov has given over ONE TRILLION Dollars in “aid” (our tax payer money) to Israel (the Welfare country that can’t support itself) in the form of cash, weapons, support, discounts, etc.
Bravo brother…. right on every point.
every point except that 911 comment!
Every point including 911 are spot on. Much more could be added, like open borders and instigating WW2, …
The Israelis did 9/11. They didn’t just know about it.
https://www.unz.com/runz/seeking-9-11-truth-after-twenty-years/
More info here on Israeli/Zionist involvement in 9/11:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it
9/11 Missing Links (USS Liberty, Lavon Affair, 9/11)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/f5YW6OyaH7ja/
9/11 The Deception That Changed the World- Christopher Bollyn
https://bollyn.com/public/Solving_9-11_-_The_Deception_That_Changed_The_World.pdf
9/11 Enemies Foreign and Domestic By Ed Hendrie
http://whale.to/c/911LS.pdf
https://www.unz.com/article/911-was-an-israeli-job
And fwiw, important info here from Whitney Webb on the coming false flag cyber attack. US is completely infiltrated by Israelis. We’re being set up for destruction.
Whitney Webb on the coming false flag cyber attack:
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2023/12/press/redacted-11/
More here:
The Cyber Threat Intelligence (CTI) League And The Impending False Flag – w/ Whitney Webb
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Mi4GZ96Ab96j/
(they’ve been doing table-top exercises, lots of Israeli connections/infiltration, maybe no election, martial law, kill ware, they want to make it big like 9/11, but in a different way, and they will probably blame Iran)
Whitney asks: What intelligence agency is in all US critical infrastructure and has a deliberate plan to get the US govt and military to attack its enemies? (answer: Israel)
She adds that however the coming false flag cyber attack is played out, it is guaranteed to be blamed on Israel’s enemies.
I don’t subscribe to the claim that Israel was behind 9-11. There is much that Israel can be accused of but I think that is a bridge too far.
When the five dancing Israhellis (Mossad & IOF) were released they appeared on a Tel Aviv TV show and were asked why were you there? They replied “to document it”.
ZIM shipping (in the news now re Red Sea blockade) moved out of Twin Towers one month before claiming “to save on rent”.
Early in the morning Odigo messaging sent messages to jews and Israhellis to stay away.
NYC, Urban Moving system vans had traces of explosives. When the towers went down the owner of this MOSSAD front fake moving company scurried back to Occupied Palestine.
Fox news did a two part expose on their involvement and it was pulled at the last minute (just like te tower Silverstein said he “pulled”)
Chertoff released all arrested Israhellis.
And on and on and on….
You’ll fully wake up one day Larry. You’re nearly there…
Well yes, “Israel” was not “behind” 9/11, their intel agencies (and sectors of “ours”) assisted though; following the orders of their owners, the Rothschild led banking cabal and world directorate. This cabal also owns (among other things) the FED, and the rest of the world’s central banks, most NGOs, as well as almost all of the publicly traded major international corporations, all major western political parties and most of their significant politicians. Obviously this includes ownership of the US MIC, which greatly profited from the resulting wars and continues to profit from the current ones. The Israeli government does what they are told just like Joe Brib’em but more competently, appearances to the contrary are theatre.
With respect Larry, if you dont appreciate that Mossad and some members
of the US government were complicit in 911 then you have a massive wakeup
call coming your way. Seasons greetings my friend.
WHY,
The gov of Israel has never told the truth, just like their patsy USA, and the evidence is very clear. WHO BENEFITS
BTW, 7 OCT was a replica of 911 no one guarding the hen house
Israelis seized to be God’s favourites, when they killed Jesus. They have paid for it and will pay for it more.
The Russians did warn the US about 9/11 but were ignored so if the Israelis knew about it that means the US intelligence communities wanted it to happen to unleash the carnage that occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq. On the issue of funding Israel, the US populace voted for it so they cant complain.
If they stopped worrying about who will win the football game on the weekend and pay more attention to what’s really important things would be very different.
Just skimming through some comments here, I suddenly find this:
“On the issue of funding Israel, the US populace voted for it so they cant complain.”
I do not know where you get your information, but the US populace has never voted for any such thing. To be more specific and clear, the US populace has never had the opportunity to vote on such a thing, to make such a choice one way or another.
Here in the USA, local and state governments do occasionally place issues on an election ballot for voters to make a choice between two options, a “yes” or “no” selection. That is known as democracy.
Any kind of support to any foreign government is a matter dealt with at the federal government level, which is designed as a republic, where the only choices citizens are able to make in elections is to choose a candidate to fill elected office positions. People in such positions, in the houses of Congress, conduct votes among the members to decide matters of foreign government support, among many other things. Not “the US populace”.
If the government does something a citizen regards as objectionable, a citizen most certainly does have every right to complain. That is how this is supposed to work, one of the most fundamental principles involved in the thinking involved in the founding of the nation.
FPNI
“Never again” has become self-destructive, indeed, suicidal.
Live footage from Oct 7. , well sort of…
https://youtu.be/GJoM7V54T-c?si=hMIW6Y_TTS5hnIUk
Thank you Larry. Your articles are always spot on!
Typo Larry (in -> is) in last sentence.
Exactly how many Israeli civilians were killed by Hamas that day? We still do not know.
The unverified number of 1200 put out by Israel has not been verified so far as I know.
To portray Hamas as barbarians out to kill as many Israelis as possible in as cruel a fashion as possible is a key point in the Israeli counter narrative as Israel is doing that very thing to Gaza’s before the eyes of the world.
The other key part of the counter narrative is the “explosion of anti-semitism” in the world with elite American universities supposedly a leading part of it – an absurd accusation. Jews in the US are 2.3% of the population but have 10% of the Harvard admissions according to the NYT. And that 10% is likely a low number.
I heard the Israeli deaths is now down to 1000. They counted a lot of dead Hamas fighters as Israeli.
I suspect the number of innocent from Hamas is very low. But they have the excuse they need to implement their plan, which is, expel the Palestinians from Gaza. F#@% Israel! FJB!
“there is growing evidence that many or most of the unarmed Israeli civilians killed in the original Hamas attack actually died at the hands of trigger-happy Israeli forces, suggesting that the true ratio of such victims may now be greater than 100-to-1 against the Palestinians.”
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-nakba-and-the-holocaust/
Gaza is beginning to look like as unrecoverable a PR disaster as when the Brits gunned down unarmed Indians in the Amritsar Massacre.
When the UN General Assembly and most of the Security Council votes against you, the jig is up.
How long before the UN General Assembly demands a change to the Charter Amending Formula which requires Security Council agreement for such amendments, giving the Permanent Members veto power. The US is obviously operating without regard to its responsibilities under the Charter, so cannot be allowed to stand in the way of Resolutions like those on Gaza or the sanctioning of Israel for obvious war crimes.
The Rest of the World has moved on from “requiring” the patrimony of the post-WW2 hegemonic powers. This is a colonialist vestige that has out-lived any benefit which may have been originally envisioned.
The Times They Are A-Changin’
WRITTEN BY: BOB DYLAN
“Come gather ’round people, wherever you roam
And admit that the waters around you have grown
And accept it that soon, you’ll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin’,
Then you better start swimmin’ or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin’ ”
https://www.bobdylan.com/songs/times-they-are-changin/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90WD_ats6eE
Perhaps the human civilizational logic of not killing civilians in a conflict is not applicable in Israel?
Why you ask?
1) You are holding a sacred God given island in an ever increasing sea of enemies. You are Gods chosen people, the enemies are not.
2) Separating combatants from civilians is dangerous, costly and time consuming, either during battle or afterward. Your God will be much better at this than you and he will understand.
3) The sea of enemies around you will eventually flood your God given island and remove you from this sacred ground. Reducing the sea of enemies by death is the only solution.
4) There is no good will, their is only God and you are his chosen people on the land he gave to you! Forget good will …….. killing and smiting all your enemies is your Gods way.
5) You answer only to your God and you are his chosen people. You do not need to care what anyone else thinks – your actions are always divinely right! …. to say otherwise is antisemitic! Shame on you!
6) Finally, when you are Gods only chosen people, everyone else by definition is expendable.
Religious zealots are like the mentally ill – they are impossible to reason with!
Beautifully put. Bravo!
Yes, and too bad God didn’t get the memo out to everyone else, only letting Hebrews know they were the chosen ones. Had God let everybody else know, we could have avoided all this grief. Many aren’t prepared to accept the Jews word on it. Not sure why.
The Zionists (including Christian Zionists) are indeed “God’s” chosen people, just not the god normal people know. Better known as Satan. Satan’s chosen people indeed.
But wait! Why does Israel have to do anything? Couldn’t they just sit back and watch as the heavens open and Yahweh throw lightening bolts and flaming meteorites down at Amelek. It seems to me these people lack faith and should be cast from the land.
It is in Israel’s scripture over and over. It is ignored now, was often ignored
and it was said often as why Israel lost its land, lost over and over. It trusted
in strength of arms or went to foreign powers who denied its God (as it did
in doing so.) This is known to Jews and Christians who read what’s there or
listen and examine their heart and life in prayer. But not to nationalists.
I guess you knew this. But rhetorical questions seem to me to minimize
the reality. I object.
Anyway, it is meaningless now. It is a dead topic. I am going elsewhere.
It sad more Christians in the US don’t read the Bible, or the “Christian” Zionist movement would not exist. As NHRIM hinted at above, according to the Bible, Israel’s possession of the land was contingent on them being an obedient people. When they rejected the promised Messiah, Jesus, they lost that status, and shortly after were expelled by the Romans.
“Christian” Zionism can only exist when Christians don’t read and really think about our own Scriptures. It is a dogma that the political Zionists have used to manipulate America and extract billions of dollars.
But don’t worry, the God of the Bible is not manipulated or fooled. He has great patience, but it is a dreadful day when he settles accounts. And when he does it will be according to righteousness and justice, not the whims of Jewish politicians or godless money grubbing preachers.
Christian Zionism is a US phenomenon indubitably linked to the tax-advantaged commercial basis of US religiosity not present in any other Western society.
It is a country infused with money-obsession in every area of existence and no doubt having money lenders in the temple appeals to judicious funding from the Israeli state
Religiousity in the US has almost nothing to do with tax status. No one gives a dollar to his church to save 20-40 cents on their taxes. Religion in the US benefits from the fact that there’s never been a church-state affiliation. Southern Europeon countries were officially Catholic. Northern Europe officially Protestant. The UK has its Saint Henry VIII. An affiliation with the government taints religion in the eyes of the people.
You know Christian Zionism is a British project :
Is Queen Elizabeth Descended From King David Of Israel?
https://www.latintimes.com/queen-elizabeth-descended-king-david-israel-438470 –
“The idea that Queen Elizabeth II and the royal family might be descendants of Israel’s King David was first introduced by Rev. F. R A. Glover, M.A. In his book titled “England, The Remnant Of Judah, And The Israel Of Ephraim,” which was first published in London in 1861, Glover was able to link King Heremon of Ireland’s heritage (580 BC) to the Israelite tribe of Dan.”
Zionism took off with that. Queen Victoria was claimed to be from King David, thus a descendant of the Davidic family tree that produced Jesus. The British Pentecostalists taught that the tribes of Israel wandered into northern Europe; that by this supposed genealogy, the British are the real Chosen People, and the British Empire is thus God’s empire. Divine Right of Kings on steroids!
So, Prime Minister Disraeli’s Ulster of the Middle East to resettle the real Chosen People.
This Pentecostal stuff permeates the US military. Some have a date with Armageddon whose goalposts move al the time…..
The blind leading the blind. Interpreting the Abrahamic Scriptures?
God of the Bible isn’t fooled? How would people know? That “god” has been pretty much AWOL since Noah (the Flood story which the Sumerians pre-told).
Or a talking burning bush trying to convince a man to kill his son (oh, JUST JOKING said God, as long as you love me more than your child…). That’s sick.
GO AHEAD, hang the Son of God on a cross so you little people are sin-less if you just CONFESS.
OH YA, all found some books of dubious origin which have been rewritten who knows how many times to suit the theological masters of the day… and ONLY 3 main sects, subdivided into hundreds, if not thousands of sub-sects??? THAT BIBLE?
The Zionists and the Rothschilds backing them are merely exploiting the sheeple as only religious believers can be expolited. These days people who believe in things no one can see or scientifically prove, or listen to “voices” telling them to kill others tend to be viewed as requiring psychological/medicinal interventions. But not if you speak in tongues or think God told you to commit heinous crimes in His name…
But But But IT’S DIFFERENT this time, God really means it, Jesus is coming, or coming back, or not coming at all… um, what was I saying… OH YA, the Messiah will come AS SOON AS ALL THE BAD UNBELIEVERS ARE FORCED TO BELIEVE OR ARE DEAD…
That’s about right eh? But it’ll be OK because WE sing the right songs and read the right books. God says so… in that Book, or at least one of them… sorta… if you squint just right, read between the lines.
“Religious zealots are like the mentally ill – they are impossible to reason with!”
Preach!
Fully agree.
But remember Mohammed only needed to see how the Jews divided themselves from other humans and he adopted the same clever tenets of “we are human and God’s Chosen, while others appear human, but are actually cattle for harvest.”
The rest of the World observes, sometimes is forced to participate, with a them-or-us Monotheism battle between bloody-mindedness and reason. Reason, the loser.
The other common tenet with Islam and Judaism is that you can lie about anything and everything so long as it is an advantage to your side. You have a license from God/Allah.
Reason? The loser.
What a strange comment. Do you have any evidence to back this up other than DNA racism that Muslims are brown and brown people lie?
It is not Muslims that broke every treaty they ever signed with brown ( and White Russian people) but the the good old US of a and the British Empire. Otherwise known as ‘the empire of lies and hate’. Those of us who are citizens of this Anglo Zionist empire need to look at our own elites behaviour and our own utter failure to hold them to account for 400 years of crimes against humanity. The genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank is rank testimony to our utter moral bankruptcy. Your comment does you no credit.
Taqiyya is a thing. Look it up. More importantly, Muslims who only quote (to non-Muslims) the peaceful verses in the Quran while knowing – and not telling – that those verses have been “abrogated” are duplicitous. They’ll quote 5:32, but not 5:33.
That doesn’t change the fact of European conquest and perfidy.
I think Sentient answered your allegation. Both Religions allow, strike that, demand duplicity to others outside their religious tribes. Notwithstanding the absolute ingrained Western/British/European/U.S. trickery in dealing with non-Westerners.
All of my writing, without hesitation, demands Israel stop killing innocents, stop lying about how Oct 7th started, including the killings on that day and the subsequent Ethnic Cleansing (murder) of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
The future bill for Israel is looking like one they cannot ever pay. But the blood is up and reason and foresight are like babes in incubators inside a Palestinian Hospital.
Israel will rue the day they let Criminal Netanyahu set up this massacre.
You badly need to read See Samuel Clemens’ book Letters from the Earth.
Mark Twain, the ultimate US writer, released in 1965 for the world to see – praying for Satan.
Read it many moons ago (40 years). The only thing I remember is Noah had to go back for the flies.
Muslims view themselves as gods choosen people? Where did you get that from? The Quran is replete with verses in which God addresses humans/mankind ( “ya ayhun naas”) Asking mankind to reflect on creation and come to the right path and do good deeds .
Just because jews and Muslims are monotheistic it doesn’t follow that Muslims are gods chosen people. In fact Muslims are warned that many of them will be in hellfire as their deeds do not match their claims.
As said by atheistic Zionists.
“Instead of disciplined soldiers commanded by capable officers, the world is seeing an army and air force that is undisciplined, reckless and quick on the trigger.”
Not to mention they were trained to hate everyone who is not like them (Talmud!)… and that can make them a bit quick on the trigger too.
Here’s another article from Unz regarding the death tolls on Oct 7. Long story short is the guy believes Israeli soldiers killed more unarmed civilians than Hamas:
https://www.unz.com/article/israeli-death-tolls-for-the-october-7-hamas-attack-on-israel/
BTW, Larry, I saw one of your most recent articles on Unz now. I don’t remember ever seeing your articles out there, but exposure to the truth is always a good thing. Your article:
https://www.unz.com/article/the-u-s-navy-is-unprepared-for-a-prolonged-war-with-yemen/
As a long time reader of the Unz Review, I would recommend it highly to those interested in an alternative perspective to the MSM. Ron’s American Pravda series is a must. These are typically quite long but now he provides an audio version which makes it nice for listening while driving or doing household chores. Both his series on the Kennedy assassination and on WW2 are a must! He provides links to many books which have been effectively banned and which provide a great resource for those interested in revisionist history and seeking the truth.
I am more interested in why Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s book “Two Hundred Years Together” is NOT available in English translation
https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/his-writings/large-works-and-novels/two-hundred-years-together
You can listen to it in English here:
https://archive.org/details/200YearsTogether_AleksandrSolzhenitsyn_AudioBook
re: PG – There is a print English translation of “200 years together” at:
https://ia803108.us.archive.org/2/items/200YearsTogether/200%20Years%20Together.pdf
Ariadna and I differ both on our opinions on Solzhenitsyn and this book. I contend that Solzhenitsyn’s “ “200 Years Together” is not history, but “an historical essay (opinion-fiction based on history)” that understates the Jewish roots of the Bolshevik leadership and Terror.
The key for me if one is interested in looking at Solzhenitsyn’s take on the Bolsheviks is Vol 2, Chap 15, beginning on p 435 in this edition. In It Soltzhenitsyn, while both asknowleging Jewish leadership predominance in the 1917 Bolshevik coup (including Trotskii, who was Menshevik originally), the anti-Orthodox (my interpretation – talmudic rooted) bias, and absolves the Jewish participation by by stating:
“As for the Jewish authors, those who denied the Jews’ share in the revolution as well as those who have always recognized it, all agree that these Jews were not Jews by spirit, they were renegades.
We also agree on that. We must judge people for their spirit. Yes, they were
renegades.
But the Russian leaders of the Bolshevik Party were also not Russians by the spirit; they were very anti‐Russian, and certainly anti‐Orthodox…” (p 435, beginning)
He also absolves Russians and Orthodox, keep that in mind, have another quote coming.
Now, considering “Judged on their spirit?” Really? How and who is Solzhenitsyn to know, let alone judge another on “their spirit.” He goes back to refer to that several times before chapter’s end. He is basing his case on that ‘ability’ to ‘judge another’s spirit’ which I find nonsensical, egotistical arrogance.
Back to Solzhenitsyn’s absolving Russian for the Bolsheviks. Solzhenitsyn blames both Russians and Orthodox for Lenin, the prime Jewish Bolshevik is on pg 436, continuing paragraph, fourth full sentence: “. But it was we, the Russians, who created the climate in which Lenin grew up and filled him with hatred. It is in us that the Orthodox faith has lost its vigour, this faith in which he could have grown instead of declaring it a merciless war. How can one not see in him a renegade? And yet, he is Russian, and we Russians, we answer for him.” The rest of paragraph discusses Lenin’s roots and absolves them in the last sentence by: “We cannot, in spite of everything, disown him.”
He spends the rest of the chapter by detailing the development of the Bolsheviks Jewish roots and the predominance of Jews at the top levels and as organizers and the appeal by Bolsheviks to Jews to take executive positions in both the party and new Soviet apparatus post 1917 Coup, while continuing to absolve their talmudic Jewish background.
In my opinion by speaking the truth that “…not all Jews are Bolsheviks and all Bolsheviks are not
Jews…” is not to be used to bury the real predominance of Jews in Bolshevism and their ties to secularized talmudic world view obtained in rabbinic Pale and urbanized non-Pale Russian Jewish society.
Near the end of the chapter, the beginning paragraph, Solzhenitsyn vacillates again in responding to another author during the post- 1917 Coup writes: “But the first to ask the question should be the Jews more than the Russians. This episode of History should call out to them today. The question of the mass participation of the Jews in the Bolshevik administration and the atrocities committed by the Jews should be elucidated in a spirit of far‐sighted analysis of History. It is not admissible to evade the question by saying: it was the scum, the renegades of Judaism, we do not have to answer for them.”
Also recommend Chapters 14, pre 1917 Coup, and 16 the Civil War.
Solzhenitsyn rightly states that “…not all Jews are Bolsheviks and all Bolsheviks are not
Jews…” and lists attacks on Jews, organized in the Pale, and spontaneous in localities due to real, as well as perceived actions by Jews. One does not indict or excuse either.
My interest in “200 Years Together” Solzhenitsyn’s account of the pre- 1917 Coup, the Bolshevik organization and leadership in the Coup and into the Civil War. To see his opinion and add to the other material during that period I’ve examined. I find Solzhenitsyn lacking more in judgement and the analysis of the material he identified ignoring them in an unnecessary attempt to state obvious and avoid reaching a conclusion that may have caused a problem getting the book published.
It is wrong to indict all for the actions of some and is also wrong to excuse and deny the origins and orientation of the not inconsequential, not few, not unimportant some who bear the primary responsibility for Bolshevism, the 1917 Coup and Terror.
Thanks for the link to the audio version!
@Curious
“Ariadna and I differ both on our opinions on Solzhenitsyn and this book. ”
Yes, we do and since I read it and you admitted you did not, but only read the intro and one chapter, I see no point in refuting your opinion again.
re Ariadna – No, I read three chapters as I wrote, v2, Chap 14,15,16, covering Bolsheviks prior to, during, and post 1917 Coup and Terror. That is my interest. Have no interest in the 700 – 800 pages.
Have provided the quotes from the Chap 15 that support the opinion I formed, and my reasoning behind the opinion I formed. Even speculated that Solzhenitsyn’s bizarre claim that the information he provided which clearly showed the predominance in Bolshevism of Jews leading, guiding, directing and recruiting other Jews, but they being “…these Jews were not Jews by spirit, they were renegades.” and absolving them and blaming Russians and Orthodox, may be in some portion an attempt to get it published. Which, if true in any extent doesn’t speak of the ‘myth’ of Solzhenitsyn.
You never respond to the questions I asked of the correspondence in my citations from the English to the French Translation that you read or to the sources the tranlators of the English used. I will assume that the English does correspond and that you ignore them because you are a fan of Solzhenitsyn. I am not.
Come on! No guesses why?
Yes, Alex, I completely agree with your recommendation-I’ve learned lots from his American Pravda series. And I greatly appreciate that he now provides audio versions- that way, you can listen while getting other things done. And his site is probably the best out there for revisionist history.
I like the IHR.org and Barnes Review too!
Maybe by allowing his article to appear in UR Larry is signaling that he has revised the opinion he expressed once that Ron Unz is an anti-semite, the Holocaust is a fact, and anyone who denies it is an idiot or a Ron Unz- not verbatim, that’s just how I recall it.
The inhumane marginalizing and ultimately killing of European Jews is a fact. The “Holocaust” conveniently ignores the many others who the Nazis, both German and Eastern European killed in pursuit of their bloodlust.
And the entire West, Europe and the USA, ignores the Elephant in the room, the Soviet Union, whose military and civilians lost many millions more than the Jews. Without the sacrifice of the Soviets, there would be no European Jews left.
Now, we have Israel, on a lashing out of Vengeance, irrational and steaming mad.
In this heated period of time, few Israeli eyes are looking to what their own future will be, now that Might is Right, is the only yardstick upon which they measure and will be measured.
And their future rests entirely on one nation, so divided, that the only thing left in common is there is nothing left in common.
“Without the sacrifice of the Soviets, there would be no European Jews left.”
According to the Red Cross no more, and perhaps fewer, than 300,000 Jews died in labor camps. Many more died, of course, outside of the camps, but if you rely on the Red Cross numbers and you subtract 5,700.000 from the official “6 million exterminated in the labor camps” your exaggeration is striking.
The camp deaths were mainly from typhus and most occurred in the last months of the war. Talk about supply chain issues. It’s hard to make or ship anything when your whole country looks like bombed out Dresden. But silly people who are shown the pictures from the camps think this was their normal operating conditions. In fact the OSS brought in a Hollywood producer to make sure that impression got in the public’s mind. How else could they justify this senseless, stupid war.
“Thy Soviet Union lost many millions…” Yeah, “lost” them before the war started…
Lost? How careless of them. UR can account for them:
“The death toll of innocent civilians from the Bolshevik Revolution and the first two decades of the Soviet Regime was generally reckoned at running well into the tens of millions when we include the casualties of the Russian Civil War, the government-induced famines, the Gulag, and the executions. I’ve heard that these numbers have been substantially revised downwards to perhaps as little as twenty million or so, but no matter. Although determined Soviet apologists may dispute such very large figures, they have always been part of the standard narrative history taught within the West.
Meanwhile, all historians know perfectly well that the Bolshevik leaders were overwhelmingly Jewish, with three of the five revolutionaries Lenin named as his plausible successors coming from that background. Although only around 4% of Russia’s population was Jewish, a few years ago Vladimir Putin stated that Jews constituted perhaps 80-85% of the early Soviet government, an estimate fully consistent with the contemporaneous claims of Winston Churchill, Times of London correspondent Robert Wilton, and the officers of American Military Intelligence. Recent books by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Yuri Slezkine, and others have all painted a very similar picture. And prior to World War II, Jews remained enormously over-represented in the Communist leadership, especially dominating the Gulag administration and the top ranks of the dreaded NKVD.
Both of these simple facts have been widely accepted in America throughout my entire lifetime. But combine them together with the relatively tiny size of worldwide Jewry, around 16 million prior to World War II, and the inescapable conclusion is that in per capita terms Jews were the greatest mass-murderers of the twentieth century, holding that unfortunate distinction by an enormous margin and with no other nationality coming even remotely close. And yet, by the astonishing alchemy of Hollywood, the greatest killers of the last one hundred years have somehow been transmuted into being seen as the greatest victims, a transformation so seemingly implausible that future generations will surely be left gasping in awe.”
Hopefully this current genocide by the Jews in Gaza will break the cone of silence and guilt shaming that Jews have been supremely good at- and the people in the “rest” of the world- outside the Jewish dominated west will not succumb to the Jewish lies as the “west” has.
Would also be great if many brainwashed western sheep would wake up to this reality as well.
Europa- The Final Battle really woke me up. East European Jews were responsible for 20 million+ deaths in Russia/Ukraine in the first half of the 20th century.
East European Jews are a large % of the population in Israel- and they also owned a high percentage of Ukraine. I recently read Ukraine had the second largest population of Jews after America.
Is it any wonder the 2 worst conflicts are in Ukraine and Israel?
In this coming collapse of the west- I hope this hydra like monster can finally be decisively dealt with so the Jewish led genocides can finally end.
ariadna
There isn’t enough columns on Larry’s site, nor do I have the time and inclination to write a treatise offsetting much of your claims and innuendo.
1. You pick your numbers. I will accept the Historical Record, most of which is backed up by the Nazi score-keepers.
2. Yes. Soviets from all Regions were killed, murdered, starved, enslaved, savaged. “Lost” certainly wasn’t a sufficient description. Yet Stalin, the whole Soviet Union responded with the same unchecked savagery against the Germans. Not to forget what other Europeans did to millions of Germans in non-German lands after the war.
3. Your claim that Putin “Jews constituted perhaps 80-85% of the early Soviet government” is not cited, just claimed. While Jews were a large part of the Bolsheviks, whatever the early percentages may have been, both Lenin and Stalin, didn’t trust them and weeded them out. But you ought to know that.
4. You overlook that the Bolsheviks didn’t just show up and take over the lands of greater Russia in one day. It took years, including giving up much of the western lands in a peace deal with Germany, defeating the White Russians. The Soviets murdered their opponents in the same way Europeans murdered each other fighting over turf, like Alsace-Lorraine, Prussia, the division of Poland, etc. None of it is done by persuasive argument, it is done with brute force.
5. A large part of starvation in Russian and Ukraine wasn’t simply Stalinist Stupidity, they suffered from similar conditions that effected the U.S. farmlands in the dust bowl. And the Kulaks, right or wrong, fought hard for the status quo.
@Kam
Don’t write a treatise. Plenty of proof you are grossly misinformed:
1.”I will accept the Historical Record, most of which is backed up by the Nazi score-keepers.”
By “historical” you mean official and no, NONE of it is backed by any Nazi documents, although they were document keepers,. down to the receipts for coal purchases.
2. “Your claim that Putin “Jews constituted perhaps 80-85% of the early Soviet government” is not cited, just claimed.”
It is not my “claim” or Putin’s. It is amply documented and described by Slezhkin, Solzhenitsyn, IUnz and several ex-Soviet layer Israeli Jews. You really are completely uninformed.
3. The Holodomor was similar to the Dust bawl???!!
Whatever you do, don’t write a whole “treatise.” Make it a zionist koan
It should be noted that “The Jewish Century” by Yuri Slezkine was the Jewish book of the year. At least that’s what it says on my copy. They do so love to brag amongst themselves. Only their great achievements in the USSR may not be view with such admiration by those that don’t like mass murder.
@alex says
21 December 2023 at 21:51
The irony is that Slezkin’s “book of the year” they so proudly embraced turned out to be a boomerang: in boasting about the Jewish century, the undeniably well-documented book revealed the depth of the Jews’ participation in, and indeed leadership of the catastrophe that was the Bolshevik revolutio]n
“At that point, it was clear to me that our role is to be a human shield between our (Israeli) forces that arrived and them (Hamas).”
And that statement right there shows us what we have all known for a very long time, the scum that serve in the IOF are true cowards.
They are full of piss’n’vinegar when confronting lone shepherds, farmers, children, mothers, and the elderly. But when against a man with a firearm they literally piss their pants (as 2006 showed).
Hi, do you know what the story is about the adult diapers, or nappies as we call them?
Is this a joke or is there so e sort of truth to it?
Apparently it appears to be true (according to Hamas they have seen the nappies on the dead bodies of IOF filth), as they were embarrassed by the iconic pics of the crying pants pissers taking cover on a bridge in Lebanon showing the piss stains to the world.
But if not true, they are still verified pants pissing cowards. And pants shitters too as we saw on Oct 7th.
It is not a rare phenomenon, and was reported even back in WWII, WWI and earlier. Apparently, regardless of the nation/army, a not-insignificant percentage (some 10-25%?) of people piss/soil themselves the first time they experience combat – real combat as opposed to the turkey shoots against third world opponents that western nations are used to. It just happens, that’s all.
The IDF are not the only ones issued nappies as standard gear.
Not having had direct combat experience unlike other commenters here, I having no comment to make on the fortitude or lack thereof of soldiers facing the enemy
I also have no combat experience, but I can 100% guarantee that I would piss myself, probably shit myself and very likely have a nervous breakdown – unless battle brings about some hidden store of courage previously unseen.
Then don’t worry about it. Men go to war. Betas don’t
Whew!
What? The adult diaper was invented for the IDF? 🤣
For someone like Netanyahu who had previous experience and direct involvement in staging the September 11 attacks killing over 2000 ordinary Americans then blaming it on others, it would have been the best opportunity to kill Israeli civilians (though civilians living in those illegal occupied Kibbutz should not be considered as ordinary civilians since they all carry arms) then blame it on Hamas.
I don’t even know what to think when I read one of the above comments saying Israel had foreknowledge of 9/11.
22 years later & we’re still dancing around this? Every time they get let off with something the next thing is worse. All we do by covering for them is guarantee a future bloody nose.
Scott, it is well documented. Mossad agents were picked up after they were reported parked at an advantageous site and dancing up an down when the plane crashed into the tower.
https://odysee.com/@Borelioza:d/simplescreenrecorder-2022-09-13_14.08.25:b
But it’s worse than that. A whole year before Mossad was conducting an operation in the US where they posed as art students, cased various facilities and harassed officials at there home. Perhaps they were running a cover operation to distracted the FBI from the Al Qaeda operation.
https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Enigma-11-Israeli-Connection/dp/0595296823/ref=sr_1_2?qid=1703158934&refinements=p_27%3AJustin+Raimondo&s=books&sr=1-2
Spanish translation of Raimondo book available for download here:
https://annas-archive.org/md5/5f87457606d7a6181e6c9cd9673c21d3
Israel did 9-11, and Netanyahu personally planned it! You’re about 20 years late with that propaganda.
You have to see the big picture.
Whether it’s Israel, Ukraine, the Caucasus, Africa, Latin America, East Asia, migration, the plandemic, LGBTQ+++, Black Lives Matter, etc. … none of these are isolated developments or events. If we don’t understand this, then we also don’t understand what the goal behind it is. What is planned, at least in the sphere of power of the US empire.
After hundreds of years, capitalism is in its systemic final phase. What we have been experiencing since 2008 and 2011 is the fascist joker of capitalism. Just think of the Patriot Act 2011 in the USA. Or the destruction of civil rights and human rights through the staging of a pandemic with a bioweapon. Think of how critics in the West are permanently and systematically destroyed. In the German media, politicians and the mainstream media were once again able to speak of “pests of the people”, millions of people were called “rats”. They were publicly recommended to be locked up. What we are seeing in Australia and Canada is fascism in its purest form. No, what Hitler and his gang did will not be repeated. I don’t see any similarities between then and now. In the present, the work is much more subtle and effective.
There is a German, Ullrich Mies. A non-fiction author and a highly intelligent man who doesn’t mince his words. He said something that I think is true:
“The fascism that doesn’t want to be.”
About 09/11 and the one after, he said:
“There was already an outward-facing Pentagon and an inward-facing Pentagon was built.”
In his last article, SIMPLICIUS wrote:
“The fact is this:
Colorado just took Trump off the ballot, which almost guarantees the 2024 election to be explosive in ways never before seen. Either mass civil unrest or outright civil war. Tucker Carlson and others have predicted that 2024’s big pre-election ‘October Surprise’ will in fact be a full-scale war, meant to lock down the elections and effect a totalitarian dictatorship by the establishment Democrats.
From X:
“Just like I said, CO opened the Pandora’s box. Do you know what may come next? If Trump gets elected, blue states may not to recognize his presidency; vice versa if a Dem gets elected, red states may choose not to recognize him/her as POTUS either; I.e. road to union split.”
There’s some possibility in this. There are myriad immensely destabilizing flashpoints all converging on the end of 2024 like we’ve never seen before. We already know the year is said to be the most politically charged globally, in history, as it has the most global elections total.
With US veering into war in Ukraine, the Middle East, and potentially China, with the US elections certain to be highly contested and rife with civil unrest, and with the global economy going inverted, with US hyperinflation already shredding the now nonexistent “middle class”, there’s an extremely high probability that the end of 2024 will see some historic black swan level event(s).”
There are too many illusions and too little imagination. First of all, I want to make it clear that I reject violence. I don’t see violence as a solution because even if it succeeds, it creates some new evil.
The entire US empire cannot be reformed. That includes its colonies around the world. Every cell of this body is riddled with cancerous metastases. Only when its “body” has rotted and decayed can something new emerge again. I only fear that this process will cost the lives of millions of people in the so-called West in the coming years and perhaps decades. In one way or another. Please don’t think I’m a “prophet of doom” or a member of a “doomsday cult”. No. Just pay close attention to the language used by politicians and the prostitutes in the media corporations.
What does all this have to do with Israel? What is happening in West Asia is part of geopolitical developments. Why else is “Iran” always mentioned in the same sentence? In Eurasia, Iran is an important building block of the BRICS and the Chinese “One-Belt” and the “North-South Corridor” Russia-South Asia.
I don’t know what will happen in the US in the next 1, 2, 4 years. But I think that China and Russia are playing for time very skillfully. They know about the systemic problems of neoliberalism and their oligarchs. Like in Jiu Jitsu, they use the opponent’s attack energy to use it against him.
Tax the rich and remove their power and it will cease
Also take away the privilege of issuing/printing money from privately owned mafia-like networks to a publicly owned national body that is accountable.
If you read the US Constitution you will see that the power to coin money is given to the Congress not to the US Treasury or the Federal Reserve System which is a system of private banks with shareholders. The Bank of England, founded in 1690 or thereabouts was also privately owned until 1947 since when it has been owned by the British Government. The US system is unconstitutional.
Yes exactly. That’s the root cause of all the evils in the west which in turn creates enormous problems for the rest of world.
Bank of England was nationalised in 1946 as the first act f the Labour Government under Clement Attlee. It was done to punish the long-serving Governor Montagu Norman who ran the Bank 1920-44 and had pushed Churchill into the disastrous Return to the Gold Standard at $4.8675 in 1925 which created mass-unemployment for 20 years
ONLY the United States has a privately-owned Central Bank
WHY ? Oh WHY ? cannot Americans understand NO other nation has such a creation as the Federal Reseerve
See EAEU chief Economist on the Russian Central Bank, is very critical of RCB policies :
https://t.me/s/glazieview/1962 Dr. Sergei Glazyev, EAEU Economics chief, has a very critical discussion of the RCB.
“Balance of payments statistics clearly indicate who the management of the Bank of Russia works for. The main priority is Western lenders, investors and speculators. For the sake of their interests, the production sector of the Russian economy is sacrificed. And a political order from Biden, as in 2014 from Obama: to bring down the exchange rate and fill up the economy in order to prove the effectiveness of sanctions”.
Only China is really insulated.
Curious why Pepe Escobar and friends all fawn over RCB policy?
There was a time when actually owning a bank, central or otherwise was required to control it. No more, “penetrate” (Schwab’s word, not mine) the “democratic” gov’t/politics of the country and have that body install the right puppets and voila, “look ma, no hands”.
The FED is indeed different, where other bankers select the bankers to control the FED, and thereby the money supply.
Not “also” but start with that!
Tax the rich is just an easy answer. Define rich. Weekends off going to some mind numbing sporting event= rich. Sending kids to some useless college to find themselves only to have them learn how to binge drink=rich. Spring break for these same poor overworked pansies=rich. Golf membership=rich. Big RV in driveway=rich. You are correct tax the shit out of the rich.
And who is going to tax the rich? Their own quislings who are in almost every seat of power?
Mostly agree with this👍.
you mention capitalism’s “final phase.” this is something that doesnt get mentioned enough by critics of US foreign policy. For example, on “Judging Freedom” Judge Nap et al correctly critique the neocon and liberal interventionist globalist elites. but the critique is almost always in isolation apart from economic considerations and superficial…these elites are portrayed as unhinged zealots (which of course they often are), and little attention is paid to the economic ideology that underpins their geopolitics: they are first and foremost agents for transnational monopoly capital and private banking cartels (eg the CIA has been referred to as “capitalism’s invisible army.”) the raison d’etre of the security state apparatus–ever since the Pinkertons, US Marshals and the OSS–has been to function as an extortionist bloc for private capital over and against labor and against any hint of collectivism or mass democracy/populism forming domestically or in foreign regimes. Big Capital drives disastrous U.S. foreign (and domestic) policy. this is why it is absurd to refer to liberal elites like billionaire oligarch Soros or the Clintons as “the Left.” Privatization and monopoly capital are anathema to the Left, as well as the wars and domestic policies that serve the interests of oligarch capitalists rather than workers.
Capitalism. So many “isms”. Mostly to divide.
The U.S. gave up Capitalism in 1913 when the U.S. Government created the Federal Reserve to benefit a handful of New York Bankers. And ever since, the unlimited guarantee of all the assets of, and inside the boundaries, of the United States of America became the Collateral for money creation and credit by an entity designed to keep select Private Banks liquid. This is particularly helpful when those very same banks squander their own money and can dip into the Federal Reserves unlimited funds (printed, conjured, or borrowed, to cover their gambling losses. “Too Big (connected) to Fail (survive)” isn’t just a jingo. It is a slap upside the American Taxpayer’s head.
Capitalism, supposedly consists of private savings (capital) where a Free Market, consisting of many buyers and sellers compete, unfettered to find price discovery, where products come to market and that clearing price fills voluntary orders by buyers.
I submit to you that no such Marketplace exists in the United States; that all commercial markets are controlled by very few well capitalized, dominant, corporations (see the Fed, above) who operate by direct control of pricing (Monopolies, Oligopolies) or by wink-wink, nod-nod, say no more, say no more.
And perversely much of the Left, including Government Unions (monopolies), are pigs at the trough of bastardization of “Capitalism”.
Yes, there is a big picture, but unfortunately, you missed it and instead spout a bunch of left wing drivel.
Bravo! Excellent summary.
Apparently, religious fanaticism makes people believe that Israeli crimes, including those committed against its own people, can be justified in the name of the fight for freedom and democracy. It is more monstrous than imaginable.
And it is assumed that all this was known to the West from the beginning and that there was no attempt to stop the killing but rather to advise that the killing continue but without attracting so much attention.
In the civilized world in the 21st century.
Jewish fanaticism is the bain of the world’s existence. From Jewish Bolshevism, to instigating WW2, to the Neocon’s endless wars and their constant maltreatment of the Palestinians. And yet somehow, they are always the victim.
Yes there are nice and wonderful Jewish people. And Jews have contributed much to the good of modern society. However, most Jewish people provide financial backing to the multitude of Jewish organizations that behave in self centered and destructive ways. These people need to wise up and stop supporting organizations like AIPAC, the ADL, B’nai Brith, World Jewish Congress, ….
back to Alexandria in ~50 A. D when the ruler declared they were the universal plague of man. The london museum has a tablet in greek with the story.
Revilo P. Oliver, who hired William F. Buckley for the national review, tells the story in his The Jewish Strategy.
Long before the Bolsheviks came the Narodniki and the Social Revolutionaries and Bund
Anyone who reads serious history books knows that Jews have generally enjoyed a reputation for producing many of the world’s greatest swindlers and frauds, hardly surprising given their notorious tendency to lie and dissemble. Meanwhile, the Jewish community also seems to contain far more than its fair share of the emotionally disturbed and the mentally ill, and perhaps as a consequence has served as a launching-pad for many of the world’s religious cults and fanatic ideological movements.
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
Long term inbreeding will do that, which is predestined by strict Jewish marriage practices. Genetic diseases, of which Ashkenazi Jews carry several, often arise from continual breeding within a defined population.
https://arupconsult.com/ati/ashkenazi-jewish-genetic-diseases-panel
The European aristocracy still suffers from this, despite efforts to get “commoners” into the gene pool. Neither Princess Di nor Princess Kate are THAT far removed from historical royal bloodlines, both have aristocratic roots. I guess Chuckie of the Flappy Ears was warning enough, being the product of “distant” royal cousins.
Here’s an interesting little write up since we’re on the topic.
https://nationalvanguard.org/2020/05/we-live-in-weimar-2-0-but-what-was-weimar-1-0/
Thanks for the link. It is he most extensive piece I’ve seen on the topic.
Also this focusing on the soul-destroyingh depravity (using the same illustration):
https://www.scribd.com/document/235381891/Lasha-Darkmoon-The-Sexual-Decadence-of-Weimar-Germany
@alex
Case Study
several years ago I read a pair of very thick volumes on the history of organized crime by Gus Russo, one of our leading investigative reporters on that subject and discovered that important elements had been airbrushed out of Bazelon’s celebrated background. Bazelon had been elevated to the bench at the age of 40, becoming the youngest Appellate justice in American history. But prior to that, his personal legal activities had been of a rather different type.
After beginning his career as a young mob-lawyer for Al Capone’s Chicago Syndicate, he had then played a central role in looting the property of the dispossessed Japanese-Americans of California and distributing their billions of dollars worth of seized assets to other Jewish families with Syndicate ties on extremely favorable terms, while becoming very wealthy through the huge kickbacks he collected. Thus, during exactly the same years that Zionist settlers were dispossessing and looting the property of the unfortunate inhabitants of Palestine on racial grounds, their Jewish cousins in America were doing much the same thing to a different group within the United States:
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-nakba-and-the-holocaust/
But also Jewish people played large roles in fighting Apartheid in US and South Africa.
Apartheid was a good thing. Destroying it was a way to destroy the White South Africans via Black South Africans.
Bain is the bane of Mitt’s existence
Touche’
Israel keeps the report on Deir Yasin under top security but nevertheless uses its findings to accuse its enemies of its own crimes
“Remember Israel knew about 9/11 before hand and didn’t warn us, then proclaimed afterwards “9/11 was good for Israel”
MAYBE they did not but lots of other countries did : something big was brewing and European Intel agencies went into red alert mode.
Why that did not ring a bell at D.C. is a mystery but I do not think Israel should bear the burden for the 9/11 disaster.
“The Hamas plan was simple and had two objectives — 1) attack Israeli military position and kill soldiers, and 2) capture hostages to be used as bargaining chips to secure the release of imprisoned Palestinians. … That is not terrorism, that is war.”
Actually that depends on what kind of “hostages” Hamas took. If they’re military personnel, they’re POWs not hostages, and in this case indeed Hamas’ actions could be considered an act of war.
If those hostages are civillians – that’s terrorism, plain and simple, no matter how Mr. Johnsom tries to white-wash it.
Then Israel is a terrorist state because it routinely picks up and imprisons Palestinians for no reason and no charges. Time to BDS this terrorist state.
No argument there – IDF is perpetrating war crimes om hourly basis, but you seem to have missed the point – my comment concerns Hamas’ actions, not IDF’s.
George, all I can say is shit happens. Once someone comes in, steals your land, and brutalizes your people, they set off a chain reaction of “tit for tat” and human misery. Sure, we can get all wrapped around the axle about applying labels, but, in the end that’s unproductive. What the term terrorist is generally used for is to delegitimize one side. I don’t accept the delegitimization of Hamas. They were totally justify in what they did. One man terrorist is another man’s hero.
Oct 7 was NOT an act of “terrorism pure and simple.”
–Resistance to occupation BY ANY MEANS is acknowledged as legitimate by international law.
–Furthermore, Hamas did not attack Israel or “Southern Israel” as they liked to call the area of military outposts and squattlements.
That is Palestinian territory illegally occupied, as recognized by there UN.
As the user “Alex” above you seem to miss the point – my comment is not about IDF’s (or by extension – Israel’s) actions – no one would argue that they’re commiting war crimes in Gaza.
My point is that the attempt to call taking civilian hostages by Hamas a “war” is a white washing – the organized violence against civilians (and taking them hotages is an organized violence, like it or not) for political purposes is one of the definitions of “terrorism”.
No, you missed –or rather intentionally ignored–my point on why the Hamas attack of Oct 7 was NOT a terrorist attack.
Your logic is flawed – what constitutes a terrorism is defined by the actions commited, not by the intentions. That’s my opinion, and it’s not going to change.
Without wishing to upset you terribly, Hamas is a political organisation Ḥarakat al-muqāwama al-islāmiyya ‚ or “Islamic Resistance Movement”
Think of it as Americans like to think of “Sinn Fein”
The military arm is “Al-Qassam” named after an Arab Resistance leader killed by the British in 1935
Think of it much as Americans think of “IRA”
Now Protestant Unionists always spoke about “Sinn-Fein-IRA” as one movement much like you speak of “Hamas”……..yet Sinn Fein is a major political party in both parts of Ireland, and in Dublin they are working hard to keep it from being the government.
So Hamas ran the civic affairs in Gaza, collected garbage etc………Al-Qassam and other Jihadist groups combined to attack Israeli military outposts in Palestinian territory garrisoned by Israel ILLEGALLY……..even the Kibbutz are illegal on Palestinian sovereign territory
Not sure how acts of war are “terrorism” but I acknowledge that is what Hitler called USAAF bombing raids ‘ “Terrorflieger” and why some bomber crews were murdered and others disposed of in concentration camps……..
French Resistance – Maquis – were “terrorists” to Wehrmacht occupying France……..
Quite how people under Occupation are supposed to behave is not clear – perhaps you could elaborate…..?
Israel was founded by Terrorists – the IDF is built on Hā-ʾIrgun Ha-Tzvaʾī Ha-Leūmī b-Ērētz Yiśrāʾel, and Lohamei Herut Israel – Lehi,…………………..the latter stated:
An article titled “Terror” in the Lehi underground newspaper He Khazit (The Front) argued as follows:
Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: “Ye shall blot them out to the last man.”
But first and foremost, terrorism is for us a part of the political battle being conducted under the present circumstances, and it has a great part to play: speaking in a clear voice to the whole world, as well as to our wretched brethren outside this land, it proclaims our war against the occupier.
So I wonder if Lehi could translate these statements into Arabic and understand their meaning ?
The KISS principle :
George Galloway, British, knows the British – who actually created the problem in South West Asia, and in Ireland :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBUNq0f0rws Ulster in the Middle East
Balfour 1917 “Britain created Israel as a ‘little, loyal, Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism’, as the record shows. So that Britain could rob the region” to loot i
A British project, the Chosen People of the Empire, Queen Victoria descended from King David, with an Ulster in South West Asia.
You should also mention the word Hamas is Hebrew has a singular meaning which is “violence”
Any civillian which came on its own into somebodys land has himself to blame. Settlers are not civilians but armed land thiefs.
You know how cattle rustlers are treated?
So:
Two days ago, Larry claimed that the IDF was responsible for the “majority” of civilians killed on Oct. 7.
Today, Larry relates that “Israeli sources are admitting that the Israeli military killed its own civilians due to the oxymoronic term, “friendly fire.”
And today, Larry quotes the Grayzone (the “bottom line” guys?), who say: Israeli sources are admitting that the Israeli military killed its own civilians…the Israeli military itself bears responsibility for numerous civilian deaths…[and]reckless Israeli fire likely [sic!] led to significant casualties among the Israeli population…
What happened to “the majority”? We ain’t even close to “the majority” in this piece today. (Did I miss an actual number? An approximate number?)
Either more evidence should be forthcoming, or Larry owes the IDF, the civilian dead, and his readers, an apology.
(Could you also revisit coverage of the hospital that Israel destroyed that is still standing. And the hundreds upon hundreds of civilians killed there…YOUR own Bucha, in my opinion.)
The IDF is committing massive war atrocities in Gaza and yet you are incensed because Larry can’t put an exact number on the amount of innocent Israeli citizens the IDF slaughtered. Wow! I don’t know what moral calculus drives Paul Schneider, but, I suspect it amounts to Zionist are always right and can do as they please. Hopefully this little episode will unwind the Jewish power that is corrupting the West and make the stupid, exploited Goy wake the f up.
For a long time your comments defending the terrorist Jewish state were repulsive, causing indignation. A response that in some perverse judaic way (victimology) may have provided you with some satisfaction. Now, through sheer, dogged repetition of the same idiotic niggling over and over again you are BORING.
Slither away and tell them to send someone with a new hasbara shtick.
ad rem et non ad hominem
As quoted from https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rkjqoobip:
“Casualties fell as a result of friendly fire on October 7, but the IDF believes that … it would not be *morally sound* to investigate these incidents …” [my emphasis].
“Did I miss an actual number?”
How do you expect to find out when the Israeli authorities refuse to examine the killing of their own citizens by their own military. In any case, why is the IDF making this decision? Is it answerable to the civilian government or is Israel now run by a military junta?
!Hola! Well, well! טרול מסביר (hasbara troll) Pauli ‘the habbarbarian’Sched* (sched = שָׂטָן = devil, see pg 52 in “Talmud UnMasked” by Rev. I.B. Prenaitis) is back and in faux reasonable lying mode!
Merry Christmas to the talmudic troll!
ad rem et non ad hominem
Here’s an “ad rem” for you:
“et non” as you back translated it from English makes it pig Latin. I don’t keep kosher in anything except the Latin language for which I have reverence. Granted, Latin she is difficult, no?…
To appear erudite next time you censor the comments of others say
“Ad rem sed non ad hominem.”
Non sunt separati
Besides your attempt at Latin translates as ‘to the thing and not to the person’ soooo….. Laughing!
My reply meant for ‘bar says’
It won’t work dude. It won’t work anymore. Don’t you realise the world has changed ?
Just wait for some more time likes of you will be the first ones to face the consequences of supporting and justify murder amd mayhem.
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You will lie when you feel strong.
When you feel weak, you are afraid of being caught as a liar.
That means, as long as the west thinks of itself to be strong, they will lie.
Why should the West think that he is weaker than the rest of the world?
Israel now for weeks attacks Gaza, and there is nothing the 1300 million Muslims do except for complaining. Will this stop the IDF? Definitely not. Israel thinks it is strong, and therefore controls the truth.
The IDF is suffering significant casualties which they do not report for fear of public backlash. However, this can’t go on the too long without repercussions. Also the intentionally distruction of all civilian infrastructure in Gaza is very clear to the entire world. Even boneheaded Christian Evangelicals will have major cognitive dissonance, trying to square this with their religious beliefs and the teachings of Christ.
Netanyahu and the IDF are sowing the seeds of Israel’s destruction. The populations in the Moslem nations are providing the water and fertilizer. Once this evil act is over and humanitarian groups go in to rescue what remains of the decimated population, the Jews will be the new Germans, always having to apologize for the evil their tribe perpetrated.
“Even boneheaded Christian Evangelicals will have major cognitive dissonance, trying to square this with their religious beliefs and the teachings of Christ.”
You underestimate their blindness. For them, the cognitive dissonance must be defeated not with reason, but by what they call ‘faith’.
I used to be one of them.
Michael Yon has a very useful aphorism, “Culture is a way of seeing and not seeing”. There are many things the evangelical cult-ure will not, cannot see.
I am praying for the victory of the islam over the zionists.
“You underestimate their blindness. For them, the cognitive dissonance must be defeated not with reason, but by what they call ‘faith’.”
Yes.. maybe what’s needed is a kind of “miracle,” a Christian zionist Fatima… a young girl having a grand mal seizure in church during which Jesus himself talks to her and tells her the fat crook televangelist and all the church leadership are the disciples of the Antichrist and whoever sides with Israel will burn in hell forever…
Jesus Christ as a soldier. This is what they should try to imagine. How many enemies did Jesus kill?
You are thinking like a televangelist, you are not thinking like St. Thomas Aquinas.
Think. Think anew.
Make no mistake, there is in the Muslim world a recognition that they need to gear up to the task of taking on the forces of evil both outside and those within who corroborate.
Not just that there is also a recognition that societies need to gear up to the challenges of running a modern state which is technologically as well as economically strong and independent.
There will emerge leaders and substantial masses dedicated to these goals. I can see this recognition percolating down widely in Muslim societies.
These shocks by the forces of evil have not gone waste. At first is the recognition that the ideology of the west has nothing to offer to the Muslims. All thanks to the various wars, incessant but ineffective propaganda, the vile statements, one might think that people have forgotten those as mere media blimps. Those are seared into the public consciousness in a way most in the West don’t realise.
DID ISRAEL KILL MOST OF THE ISRAELI CIVILIANS?
Some “Emperors” have new clothes; some of them being prone to blue on blue.
I remember seeing a man striking an injured man in the neck repeatedly with a garden ho, a young woman dead and distorted in the back of a truck celebrates by a cheering crowd, and a woman with the back of her pants bloodied.
All Israel?
I also remember later stories saying her pants were not bloodied (images were black and white, not in color) but soaked with urine– a normal reaction to fear.
Wow.
No condemnation of the IDF plowing a live Palestinian under a bulldozer or the latest reports of the IDF digging up and exhuming recently murdered Palestinians in Gaza?
How about Israel just admitting a Palestinian prisoner was beaten to death by 19 guards and his autopsy was “inconclusive” and the head of prisons describes Palestinians as “human scum”
Fuck Israel.
“No condemnation of the IDF plowing a live Palestinian under a bulldozer ”
Not if you are an Israel-supporting American who did not condemn the IDF for running over Rachel Corrie. TWICE.
Or it could have been menstrual blood. Or a mix of bodily fluids down there.
I’m wondering if Jordan has also seen the poor little injured Palestinian kids who had big stains in the crotch of their pants as they were being wheeled on gurneys in the now-no-longer-viable hospitals.
Jordan Richmond: Cherrypick much? As a Hasbara, you’re not a success. So beyond filling the comments with crap to wade through, what’s your job here?
Everybody please welcome Jordan, an “Israeli” troll, crying victim for the Genociders (who have been holocausting the Palestinians since 1948 (or before)).
Two things for Jordan:
1) Are you being paid ?
2) Please, tell us all about the Talmud. You can state your diverting generalizations. And after that we will give direct quotes. What do you say ?
Shit stains, and she was IOF not a “woman”.
But do keep on Jordan, with your pathetic attempt at deflection. Your tribe will no doubt thank you.
Did someone call?
In line with all the reprehensible actions in Gaza taken by the “chosen ones”, let’s find out what their Talmud actually says about how they may treat non-Jews (the goyim).
What is written below is from this link in Quora: https://www.quora.com/What-did-Talmud-say-about-Goyim
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The Talmud holds that only Jews are true human beings and Gentiles are “goyim” (meaning cattle or beast). The following are shocking but exact quotes from their various books.
Sanhedrin 59a: “Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal.”
Abodah Zara 26b: “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”
Sanhedrin 59a: “A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.”
Libbre David 37: “To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.”
Libbre David 37: “If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death.”
(They contest the previous two)
Yebhamoth 11b: “Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age.”
Schabouth Hag. 6d: “Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.”
Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Do not save Goyim in danger of death.”
Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Show no mercy to the Goyim.”
Choschen Hamm 388, 15: “If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.”
Choschen Hamm 266,1: “A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people.”
Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.”
Baba Necia 114, 6: “The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.”
Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: “When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.”
Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.”
Aboda Sarah 37a: “A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.”
Gad. Shas. 2:2: “A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.”
Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: “If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible.”
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: “It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces.”
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: “All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples.”
Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: “How to interpret the word ‘robbery.’ A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy.”
Seph. Jp., 92, 1: “God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations.”
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: “When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.”
Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: “A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean.”
Nedarim 23b: “He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, ‘Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null’. His vows are then invalid.
So two cases? The same talking points being trotted out by a thousand outlets and hundreds of thousands of commenters.
You think people are fools not to see the mass campaign.
Try harder, Try harder!!
All the Israeli witnesses seem to be grossly understating the culpability of the Israeli military, perhaps because of fear of repression, perhaps because of a reluctance to acknowledge the obvious reality. But of itself the “hundreds” of cars hit by hellfire missiles at the rave alone is enough to confirm that massive numbers of Israelis were murdered by the Israeli military.
It was claimed that many of the cars were driving towards Gaza, with the implication that they were driven by Palestinians and/or Hamas – but that is just another totally unsubstantiated allegation of the Israelis like the beheaded babies, and designed to “justify” the murder (when the real reason for the murder was to realise the genocide of Gaza). More credible sources say most of Hamas left hours earlier.
How many passengers did each car have on average? How many hundreds of cars? If there were, say, 400 cars with average 2.5 occupants each, that would be 1000 murdered at the rave alone. As a minimum, it is I believe known from Hamas videos that some civilians were killed in crossfire between Hamas and Israeli military. But from (1) the “hundreds” of rave cars destroyed by hellfire, (2) the known murder of civilians in the kibbutzes using tank fire, and (3) the admissions of helicopter pilots that for hours they were firing full loads of missiles and cannon fire as fast as they could at human targets without the feintest idea whether they were friend or foe, then dashing back for a refill and repeating – it ought to be clear as daylight that almost certainly the Israeli military alone killed virtually all the Israeli civilian victims.
“Clear as daylight” does not overcome iron clad demented ideology
It’s not a, court.
Do you remember the Massacre of Béziers during the Albigensian Wars in the early 13th century? Archbishop Arnaud Amaury then famously said: “Kill everyone. God will recognize His own.” I see an analogy with the events in Gaza.
Alistair Crooke and others have mentioned that Israel may be considering expanding the war into Lebanon. Of course this would be a disaster, but, Netanyahu probably considers this ixds a good way to drag the US more deeply into this conflict. Essentially this narcissistic, psychopath, is willing to risk it all on a chance to save himself and establish his legacy as the architect of a Greater Israel. The US has to wake up and say “hell no” to this reckless plan.
https://www.rt.com/news/589412-israel-lebanon-second-front/
I have no doubt Netanyahu is NOT in control but that Yoav Gallant is out of control. I believe they want to attack Lebanon and Syria and provoke Russia.
They intend to seize this one chance to bring it all down and force the US into the fray – THEY do not intend to end up like Zelensky encouraged by US and then abandoned
The “breakaway ally” game.
Exactly.
Why “pragmatic” , “whatever works” popular Uncle Sam-uel Clemens, Mark Twain, transcendentalists could get us all killed.
See Samuel Clemens’ book Letters from the Earth.
See Samuel Clemens’ posthumous Mysterious Stranger,
and : “Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws or its songs either.”
—Mark Twain in Following the Equator
And some pragmatic blunderers quote Rotschild about “currency”!
Superstition is rampant in NATOstan! Russia knows th!s!
Nothing new here. I doubt there will be a day Johnson realizes that no military
cares for life or any war defends it.
I thought I was brilliant when I came up with an idea to counter my personal guilt for getting distracted again by the doings of the dead,
I’ll share because nobody will take any gem seriously or learn not to hug their gun.
I mean if you cast your pearls, you lose your time but nobody will pick up the pearls.
My morning prayer said this world’s story is no longer mine. Don’t expect anything.
Relax.
Jesus said the dogs will turn and maul you Maybe. But hopefully they’ll go for subscribers.
It is said historical knowledge is necessary to prevent repeats. It is said that history is written by the winners. Two commonly unexamined narratives in support of war
stories and I guess movies. And toys and games?
But the winners don’t write the whole story. And so maybe that is why the don’t repeat
button never works, or maybe learning what happened has nothing to do with you, who
wasn’t back there doing it. Impossible to check, I think.
It’s important to read about Karbala. How the victor lost and the one defeated won.
Wow this is a great recap of what I believed to be true early on in this conflict. The sad truth is it really does not matter because a hurt reputation will change nothing is modern society. It is about the money and Israel and the West have it and the rest of the Middle East has been westernized. China and Russia along with the rest of the world will condemn it but in the end will do nothing because they like the money as well plus they are scared of conflict with the US. As I said from the beginning, nothing will change and Israel and US will do as the please. Sad but true. Thank you as always for the great updates and analysis.
I thought I was a pessimist but I am starry-eyed, exuberant optimist compared to you.
I don’t believe that nothing will change this time. I think the picture is like a kaleidoscope in which all the colored bits are the same, none added, non subtracted. But a big twist caused by a confluence of events made them all shift, change places and create a very different image, which has yet to be fully revealed.
Will it result in a beautiful new world, humane, at peace, with justice? No. But the US hegemony, with its succubus, Israel and the tyrannical dictates of zioglobalism are doomed.
A plurality of of less-than-ideal world powers is preferable. I think the WEF schemers know it: Klaus Schwab recently expressed his concern that people (he said “people” but meant “useless eaters”) are revolting against globalism.
I wonder if Al Gore, who once said he invented he internet, rues the day he did … The internet in general and social media have given millions, maybe billions, of useless eaters the means to peel away masks and debunk lies. Once you see Gaza you cannot unsee it, just for one example.
Change is coming.
Let’s ask the “public impact” question more rhetorically :
Would a single plane on the pentagon been enough to start a war in Afghanistan AND a war in Irak ?
Come on, if you don’t have enough civilian casualties, the public is not enraged enough , the public needs someone to identifies to , civilians like them to be brutally murdered to be enraged …
Ever the same tricks for internal PR , over and over : “Same instructions sir ? … yes , same instructions.”
The problem for Israel is that scheme works the same in the Muslim world. How many more dead civilians in Palestine before the breaking point ? Who knows ? Certainly not Bibi …
Me think the breaking point is long passed but who cares about what I could say anyway ; remember the first attack on the hospital ? It’s the day the limits were reached, all that came after that was only worsening the future blow-back…
So 1,400 dead, 72 in the Golani brigade. That leaves 1300+, who were not all civilians. A singular report of one woman driving a car getting shot at by Israelis until she identified herself. That report leaves out the obvious question of just how close to WHOM was she driving, how fast, and just how anyone could distinguish this person from someone driving a car bomb. The later never having been used in the ME before.
There are prior reports on the helicopter attack, they did not say how many vehicles were shot nor does the embedded video of the now moved wreckage show damage consistent with anti-tank weapons fire or missiles. There are also previous reports of an Israeli general calling for artillery fire on his own base which had been over-run. Again, a singular report of an event not unheard of in combat before. The MidEast Monitor quotes exactly two woman who were at different locations. That’s hardly confirmation of “did Israel kill most of the Israeli Civilians.”
You are obsessional……who really cares about 1200 or 1400 and what they did for a living before being incinerated ?
There are thousands dead in Gaza, hundreds under the rubble…….many simply dying of thirst or starvation or infected wounds……..
It is a bit of the old Private Eye record News Report……..”The city of New York was today destroyed in a series of thermonuclear explosions. No Britons are reported amongst those killed”
Or the common reporting on events around the world. 2500 dead in Tsunami in far East tens of thousands reported missing. Most US citizens in the area are safe . 15,000 dead or missing in an devasting earth quake. All but three Americans are safe, three yet to be located.
The people running Israel care and they are the ones pounding Gaza into rubble. That should be obvious even to Larry’s resident trolls
Dear Larry
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Site below what?
What are you talking about?
Click on Malcolm’s username leads to some Putin-is-a-clone nonsense.
Suppose the Putin we see is but a clone. If I were you I’d be terrified to pursue this further, like asking myself:
“What if I, “Malcolm,” am a clone invented by clone Putin or any other clone? Does “Malcolm have independent reality or is he a clone’s clone twice removed? The surest sign that you are a clone is if you deny it. Do you deny it, Malcom?
One of the most important take-aways from what the Grey Zone has shows is that false flags are THE NORM. Go back through the history of rich old dudes dragging the younger generation to slaughter. It is not wild conspiracy theory. It is what usually happens and we should smarten up. The ridiculous satire Wag the Dog is embarrassingly close to the mark.
Terrorizing their own. Israeli police brutalizing the anti-zionist orthodox Jews for putting up Palestinian flags in their neighborhood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE98ZJZSraQ
That photo of the rubble in Gaza is amazing and almost unbelievable.
And now, since we’ve helped to finance the creation of this human wasteland, we’ve got the whole Mohammedan world fighting mad at the U.S. And why? Simply because “America” can’t stop being the world’s biggest woke “Democracy” worshipping busybodies.
And who can blame the Mohammedans? Israel is by no means the “pure as the driven snow” entity it makes itself out to be, especially when “soldiers” are given a license to treat noncombatants like rabid dogs. America’s greatest American patriot (by far), that strict Christian Sabbath-keeper and man of steel, the truly great George Washington, would NOT have tolerated such behavior on the part of his troops. No, not for ten seconds.
When are these evil and disgusting Marxists and RINO neocon political hacks ever going to learn to mind their own country’s damn business? They’ve already got the blood of over 500,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers on their hands. But I guess that isn’t enough.
Every “American” who likes to think of himself as a REAL American should read Davy Crockett’s “Not Yours To Give”. To read it, go to this link (Trinity Reviews) and type into the search bar the words “Not Yours To Give”. Here’s the link:
https://www.trinityfoundation.org/archive.php?s=1
From MoA:
“On Wednesday, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights published a report alleging that Israeli forces carried out a mass execution of civilians in Northern Gaza, separating 11 men from their families and summarily shooting them.”
The Holocaust by bullets, initiated in Ukraine 1941, has been resurrected by the few Holocaust survivors of The Great Patriotic War. The kapos brought their ever darkening shadow to Occupied Palestine.”
Stop using phrases like „Holocaust Survivors“
The definitions in use are a joke….it is meaningless as a concept
That was a quote from MoA.
I will make sure to sure quotation marks with the term if I use it.
Like ‘everything’ we in the West support, the truth of these events will NEVER reach the media. Americans prefer to hear fanciful stories of how righteous they and their allies are while fighting evil. Honestly, they cannot handle the truth!
I tried to explain the obvious outcome of the situation in Ukraine to some relatives, but they don’t want to hear it. And they certainly don’t want to see photographic or video evidence of disaster and failure. Instead they prefer to believe the evening news fantasies and watch football.
Houston! We got a problem!!
At first I thought Hamas went all Nat Turner on Israel, but now I see that was not the case. Too bad so many people have an emotional attachment to the original IDF disinformation on the attack. They are unwilling to accept the results of the ongoing investigation.
Site below what?
What are you talking about?
It is incredible to see here all the time something Russia knows all about :
To think of the trouble caused by a forgery (The Protocols of the Elders of Zion) from the Okhrana (Russian Czar secret Odessa police) faction committed to the ruin of the Romanov’s. Run by agent Rachkovsky in Paris, and Matvei Golovinsky. The forgery was based on French anti-semitic Maurice Joly’s The Dialogue in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesqiueu.
Russia well remembers the result.
“Western” idiots here have NO idea what Russia knows.
“Forgery” is a wrong term. It implies it is a document meant to represent itself as an authentic copy of an existing document.
If we mean to say it is false document created “out of whole cloth” then we should call it “apocryphal.”
If it is completely false (apocryphal) then it is more extraordinary by several degrees of magnitude than if it were real.
Absolutely phenomenal predictions in mind-bogging detail.
Let it be said once every so often:
THANKS LARRY FOR PROVIDING THIS FORUM FOR US TO ALL LET OFF STEAM REGARDING THE MANY EVILS GOING ON IN THE WORLD.
Thank you, LJ !
Afaik, standard armament of the Apache helicopter is a 30 mm (1.18 in.) cannon and various rockets and missles. The gun fires explosive rounds. So if those cars were attacked with Apaches, there ought to be distinct dents, gashes, and holes on the metal parts which cannot be easily confused with damage caused by AK rounds. This evidence will disappear soon after any human remains are removed.
The 30mm gun can fire DU rounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2eu0sio23s
Larry claimed, two days ago, that the “majority” of the civilians killed on Oct. 7th were at the hands of the IDF.
Today, he’s dropped the descriptive “majority”, and references the Grayzone.
The link above is from today. Listen carefully. Nowhere, and at no time, does Max give any numbers to support anything like “most of” the civilians were killed by the IDF.
Assume 800 civilian deaths on Oct. 7. Did the IDF kill 400? 500? 200? It’s a critical question,
and Max doesn’t come close to answering it.
The evidence shows that an unknown, but significant, number of civilians died by friendly fire. But a majority? Upwards of 400? Or more.
We’re a long way from any kind of “bottom line” in this regard.
The lurid stories about beheaded babies and burnt bodies all attributed to Hamas are very likely almost all the result of tank & missile attacks by the IDF; Israel has been completely disingenuous about sorting out any of the details, which very fact implicates them (you cannot expect documentation from Hamas). The lurid rape allegations are supported by very dubious often indirect testimony and no physical or documentary evidence, and like the beheaded babies, the claim about rape so violent that pelvic bones were fracture, obviously made up BS, and therefore taint all Israeli “revelations” as predominantly propaganda.
Reposted from a reply to you, earlier:
[begin repost]
As quoted from https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rkjqoobip:
“Casualties fell as a result of friendly fire on October 7, but the IDF believes that … it would not be *morally sound* to investigate these incidents …” [my emphasis].
“Did I miss an actual number?”
How do you expect to find out when the Israeli authorities refuse to examine the killing of their own citizens by their own military. In any case, why is the IDF making this decision? Is it answerable to the civilian government or is Israel now run by a military junta?
[end repost]
And finally, at least 20 times the number of Gazans have been killed (so far) than any estimate of Israeli dead on 7th October. And no, Mr Scheider, the Gazans have NOT been killed by misfiring Hamas rockets.
You cannot nit-pick away the appalling Israeli behaviour in Gaza.
Like Henry Kissinger once stated: “You can’t make an omelette unless you scramble a few eggs.”
Looks as though Gaza is going to be turned into beachfront property complete with condominiums and settler housing.
“On ne saurait faire d’omelette sans casser des œufs.”
First attributed to Francois de Charette, France 1742, in justifying the deaths of many for a political cause. Perhaps incorrectly, I’ve always associated the expression with V.I.Lenin, again justifying killing people “for the greater good.”
You can see the real estate advertising: “Some beachfront without people for people without a beachfront” etc.
thanks for covering this Larry – many in the alternative media steer clear of gaza.
appreciate the integrity and giving voice to the fallen as to what happened…
“many in the alternative media steer clear of gaza.”
Not true. Maybe you mean in the MSM, or maybe you should define what you mean by alternative media.
Duran comes immediately to mind…
And Moon of Alabama, Philip Giraldi, Unz Review, Judge Napolitano and his guests, the Greyzone, IfAmericansKnew, Kevin Barrett, Laurent Gyenot, Tobias Langdon, Mondoweiss, and others
Jackson hinkle
judge has done a fantastic job of covering gaza – and Jackson Hinkle.
not sure what you are referring to?
@masr says
22 December 2023 at 07:22
Yes! Quite a remarkable (incredibly young) man.
This just in… “In armed solidarity with Gaza, the IRAQI Islamic Resistance just bombed Zionist occupation army positions in “Eilat”, scoring direct hits!”
Yemen started it. More are now in on the wave.
See this: https://t.me/Cultures_of_Resistance/23394
I maintain my prediction that the Israeli Jew will embark on a large scale exodus. This time real, not like the mythical one.
Mythical “exodus” ? Are you sure about that ?
Jesus refers many times to Moses and his words and actions during Moses’ time in the exodus.
In additions, Jesus also said this to the Jews of His day (John 6:49, NKJV):
“Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.”
Jesus speaks of this very specific “wilderness” (exodus) thing clearly, so to reject it is to call Jesus a liar.
(Note: Jesus also refers to the manna that God miraculously provided for 40 years to the Jews to eat.)
You might not have any religion, of course, and that’s your right.
But IF within yourself you claim to have religion, do you really want to be found disagreeing with Jesus ?
I ask for your sake, not mine.
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To any others who claim they are Christian (not that ariadna claims that), keep this in mind…
Any self-declared Christian who does NOT believe ALL of the following still has plenty of room to Grow in the Faith:
— that God created all of Creation, including human beings;
— that human beings existed from the beginning of Creation;
— in Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel;
— that marriage consists of a man and a woman;
— that there’s a devil and his evil angels;
— in Noah’s ark and the Flood;
— in the burning sulfur destruction of Sodom, and the death of Lot’s wife;
— in Jonah’s evangelistic adventures with God;
— in Miracles;
— in the Truth of Bible prophecy;
— that the Two Most Important Commandments and all of the Ten Commandments are still in effect;
— that we are to cease all willful sin and sin no more;
— in Christ’s Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Ascension;
— that Jesus is returning to the Earth a second time in the clouds above with all the Holy Angels;
— that the dead remain asleep in the grave until the End, to be resurrected either to Life or to condemnation; and
— that those who continue to practice Lawlessness will have both body and soul destroyed in Hell Fire.
Keep in mind that Jesus speaks of these things CLEARLY, so to reject any one of them is to call Jesus a liar.
Will the Kingdom of Heaven contain anyone who thinks Jesus is a liar ?
Not preaching and not looking for arguments.
Just trying to prompt considerations within people based on what Jesus and the Bible says.
Sorry, there was no Exodus because they were never slaves in Egypt, Moses did not part the Red Sea, there were many floods but there was no Noah who built an ark and then lived some 200 years more, etc. The Bible is not history. Not for me.
But I respect anyone’s right to believe all that.
Jesus spoke in parables meant to teach morality. He preached to Hebrews so he talked to them in terms they understood, with references to an imagined past he himself had learned. And while he affirmed that imagined past he tore to pieces the fundamental tenets of juidasm
I happen to believe that Christianity as articulated by Jesus in the NT is the most ethical religion of all, proposing an ideal humanity that people must strive to asymptotically, but never quite reach (Turn the other cheek! not An eye for an eye)), which upended the entire foundation of judaism.
The God of OT (cruel, capricious, excluding most of humanity, unjust and blood thirsty) cannot be in any way reconciled with the Christian God (loving, forgiving, welcoming to all).
Christianity is not passive and turned inward (like Buddhism), it is engaged, good Samaritans are praised, it is not bellicose like Islam… etc.
“Just trying to prompt considerations within people based on what Jesus and the Bible says.”
Thanks. If I were to to try to “prompt consideration within people” of anything at all, it would be that everyone’s spirituality is his own and must be respected as such.
I agree. God provides free will, and all can believe as they see fit.
But if you say “mythical exodus”, I reserve the right to simply remind you (and all who read what you wrote) of what Jesus Himself said about it.
Now, whether any want to believe or not, that’s up to them.
And please know I mean no offense toward you, Ariadna.
But, while we’re “talking”, let’s also mention this, because you mentioned “parables”.
Besides just teaching morality (as you said) with parables, Jesus taught many other things too with them.
Here is what Jesus Himself gave as the *reason* He spoke in parables (Matthew 13:10-15, NKJV):
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’
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In other words, Jesus wants us to use the Spirit within us to “reach for” the meaning of the parables, instead of our mere, surfacey “flesh” which walks around mainly by mood and instinct (i.e. Spiritual blindess), not truly seeing or hearing or considering (or truly understanding) much about the “mysteries” (i.e. wisdom) of God.
You may have the last word if you wish.
Again, I mean no offense toward you, Ariadna. And God Himself knows I am grateful you provided these opportunities for discussion.
100% true, No Name. Can’t disagree with you on a single point. 100% Biblically true and 100% applicable to every human being on the planet — and to those who have ever lived, and to those who ever will live. Very well said.
I got a tweet that said official Is. casualties were down to 750. There was a lot going that day, so I didn’t look at the provenance of the tweet. It’s messy because, Palestinians came out through the breaches in the fence. The civilians were pretty nasty, for some reason!
Holocaust studies are a whole, separate, study area, inside WW2. Historian Browning has the latest & most comprehensive; 3 volumes, each the size of a Russian novel. It’s like when the Soviet files were opened; a shallow reading could prove anything. There are some unknowns; did more Jews (&&) die from typhus & dysentry, than the gas chambers?
When the dust settles on this ongoing Zionist atrocity, and the lies are exposed I am hoping it will compel more people to speak out about the illogical story that is the Hollowhoax.
Soon we will be hearing that Palestinian fighters made some lampshades from the skin of dead Jews. No proof will be offered as an Israhelli missile destroyed the evidence!
I agree. Israel s the house that the holo myth built. It will founder if the myth crumbles
Israel tells as many truths about October 7th as the US does about the war in Ukraine. Bibi is implicated in the 7th of October to the last hair and that’s what the Israelis are thinking too. It was a joint venture of the old wartime allies in Syria. The Hamas faction of the Muslim Brotherhood, an ally of the US – who also wanted to leave the UA and re-divide the region to regain the power of influence lost in recent times to China and above all to Russia. And Bibi wanted to save the political corpse and a reason to exterminate the Palestinians and just had to loosen security in Israel. The only possibility for Hamas to have entered the IDF barracks.
Mediator: Qatar, the US base in the Middle East that continues to search for the lost Caliphate. I just wanted to know what the other Palestinian liberation groups knew, including the Hamas faction closest to Shiite Iran and Hezbollah, when they were invited to the joint venture only few hours before.
Meantime, it seems that the Qatari Cooperation Minister who was invited to Israel’s new War Cabinet for the hostage exchange thought she was only among Netanyahu’s friends and said too much. And the new Cabinet members immediately realized that Qatar had participated in Benjamin Netanyahu’s conspiracy with HAMAS to attack Israel on October 7th. The political climate in Israel must be sharp. Worse perhaps only Washington. Israel, after this war, has already promised that it has two countries to destroy. Russia and Qatar. If it doesn’t finish first, of course.
Award-winning Documentary: Two Jewish Americans go to Israel and WAKE UP:
https://www.israelismfilm.com/
Israel and Israelis have no honor.
It’s plain to see.
“Israel and Israelis have no honor.”
They have “situational ethics”
Netanyahu and his government believe that if they clear the Palestinians with resolve, ignoring world opinion, they will get away with it as there is no one to actually stop them. They likely believe that after they have done their dirty, filthy deed, that the world will heal in time and forget and they will enjoy zionist rule for Jews only from the river to the sea.
Despicable people.
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The Unwanted Detritus Doctrine?
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