Strange times. Turkey made its move on the eve of the NATO Summit by giving the green-light for Sweden’s admission to Club NATO in exchange for Europe “promising” to let Turkey join the E.U. Erdogan reminds me of Leonardo DiCaprio’s character in TITANIC — he’s running frantically to board an ill-fated ship. I don’t think this will have a good outcome for Erdogan or Turkey.
Then there is the news that Prigozhin and the commanders of Wagner had a three hour sit-down with President Putin in the aftermath of the coup. This supports the hypothesis I raised early on about Prigozhin being a controlled asset of Russian intelligence. This does not rule out the possibility that Prigozhin’s initial meeting with Western intelligence was an authentic, dastardly act of treason on his part. However, sometime after that, Russian intelligence let him know he was on the hook and he flipped back and became a double agent (i.e., convincing the West he was working for them while he was under the control of Russia). If he keeps some of his wealth and continues to walk around without being whacked, then this undermines claim that he mutinied of his own volition and that Putin was caught unaware.
Better than a John le Carré novel. I think I’ll sit this one out and just watch.
“On the eve of the NATO Summit Turkey is giving the green-light for Sweden’s admission into NATO”.
Erdogan has given a handshake Photo opportunity to the Swedish Prime Minister and Stoltenberg,
https://www.friatider.se/klart-erdogan-slapper-sverige-i-nato
After which -Stoltenberg- claims that Erdogan accepts to let Sweden join NATO.
But there are several loose ends to this statement.
The conditions Sweden has to accept are unknown.
The deal has to be ratified by the Swedish Parliament.
The deal may have to be vectored by the Swedish High court for transgression of human rights.
The deal has to be ratified by the Turkish Parliament.
The deal has to be accepted by Hungary.
The deal is also conditioned by Turkey being allowed negotiations of entering into the EU.
The speaker of the EU council have stated on Twitter: EU and Turkey will explore opportunities ahead to bring EU and Turkey cooperation back to the forefront & re-energize our relations cooperation.
As you can sense, this is far from a done deal.
I think this is a publicity scam to prematurely claim that a deal is struck, so that the next step of planed progression will be railroaded into place on falls assumptions, because its preconditions “unexpectedly” falls flat on its nose when the deal is entering the confirmation process at a later date.
The idea is to be able to claim success during high media coverage, and delay the failure until the media is occupied by other news stories.
We saw such Public perception scam used during the EU migrant crisis, the Brexit crisis and taken to the extreme during the COVID crisis.
I think Erdogan knows all this, that NATO is seriously in trouble even to further exist at all, that with Germany going into serious economic trouble there might be no EU any more, and no drone factory in Ukraine is able to be build bc. Russia will wipe the place out immediately. So what’s left of Big E’s offer? A big Turkish laughter for any offer is bs. and revenge to EU for 20+ys on the waiting list for Turkey as an associate candidate for EU in the past. I would not be surprised if he talked about this move with Putin. As Prigozhin was, the next Ukr/EU/NATO embarassement is on its way. They will fall for it for sure, stupid as they are. And the grain deal? Well it was dead anyways, so no possible offence by stopping it at all. So this is the next trap for the west to fall in. Good luck.
Agreed.
What diff does it make if Sweden is in Nato? None. Who would want to join Eu while its circling the drain? Noone. Turkey gives them an empty vote & they give Turkey an empty promise.
Their being played, again.
Nato is backing and practically fighting alongside the Nazis in Ukraine against Russia. They get their ass handed to them every day. All they have left is simply to declare victory because Nato got bigger and Russia could not stop this with their evil attack on the innocent Ukraine. They just re-label whatever they need to declare victory and will be silent on what tragedy they brought upon Ukraine.
It’s a victory off-ramp for them.
Agree 100%
The charming Jens Stoltenberg said at the weekend that what Russia gets for attacking Ukraine is “more NATO on your borders.”
They are scripting for the declaration of victory you describe.
Well… It change a lot… The battle for the artic can and will begin as soon as the depleted stock of the west arsenal will be refilled.
Look at the artic on the map and maybe you will understand better…
The battle for the Arctic will be even more one-sided than the SMO in 404.
Sweden can’t control Malmo … what makes anyone think Sweden can be anything more than a FOB for an alliance that has almost nothing in the way of ice-breaker parity, much less ice-breaker supremacy
This might be true for today… Anyway, for nuclear arsenals they all are a “good depositories and spots…”
and if Nato set up in Asia, China and Russia will be completely encircled…
To refill their arsenals will take years and lots of money. The West has neither as their ec onomies will implode and the dollar will lose its influence. The West simply does not have the industrial power to regain any semblance of real strength in the future. Meanwhile, the US is committing national suicide.
Are going to close the Baltico? And Surrounded by whom in Asia? What are the great powers that Russia and China fear? We keep coming back to the same thing because we never learn. And they don’t all think the same way in Asia-Pacific.
Former Australian PM Paul Keating on expanding NATO to Asia: “Exporting that malicious poison to Asia would be akin to Asia wishing the plague upon itself”… “Of all the people on the international stage the supreme fool among them is Jens Stoltenberg”
Does Meriem know how many decades Russia has been working in the Arctic? Or what they said many countries about the route 20 years ago? Nothing fell from the sky! Europe only has to lose with Finland and Sweden no longer being neutral. And I do not believe that NATO will withstand defeat in Ukraine.
The US will come out and force Ukraine to negotiate much sooner than many think. The losses of the US in this war are gigantic as never calculated. Prestige as a terrorist nation that blows up gas pipelines and steals reservs, commercials and financial with the fall of the US dollar as the global reserve currency. And military with the most expensive weapons systems in the world all burning in Ukraine. The US will not wait for the AFU to capitulate. And Paris, Berlin and London are in a panic about having the “baby” in their arms! As Jacques Attali said. Macron’s adviser to prankeds Vovan and Lexus. Still become Russian heroes!
So what is Sweden? Another pearl in the choke necklace around Urasia a la MacKinder. This is so passe. Typical Euro Elite garbage with their tight suites and big tie knots.
I agree, this is coordinated with Putin, Just like the Wagner affair turned out to be a psyop to fool the West. Erdogan joining the EU enables Turkey to charge transit fees for mixing Syrian with Russian Energy.
The next steategic move is to settle the Syrian question.
Meanwhile, let us not forget Putin’s red line, Ukraine in NATO. The moment this appears to Russia and the Global South as a done deal and another aggressive escalation by NATO, this will be the time for a Russian canine and equestrian extravaganza that ends Ukraine’s existence as a nation and let’s Stoltenberg realize he’s a fool’s fool.
Agreed.
“TALK TURKEY”
“https://www.rt.com/russia/579537-turkey-eu-membership-peskov/
In volleyball sometimes it takes two to make the set-up as allowed by “the rules”.
Russia may be worried that US/NATO is getting ready to throw in the towel… considering NATO’s discussions of the matter as if Russia does not have the battlefield ability to determine the outcome in Ukraine. Erdogan *needs* to stiffen NATO resolve to see their war through to the end… the Russian end.
NATO cannot be allowed to simply pack up and take their remaining boys and toys home. Two of Russia’s stated goals in Ukraine are “de-nazification” and “de-militarization” and they now consider Ukraine an extension of NATO…
Fat lady hasn’t sung yet. Discussion in Moscow seems to be “how can we overawe the Europeans, put the Americans off, and establish a neutral buffer without triggering WWIII?” Not to mention establish a global alternative to the dollar’$ hegemony.
This is shaping up to be a real hearts and minds fight…
“Two of Russia’s stated goals in Ukraine are “de-nazification” and “de-militarization” >
Translation is never an option only interpretation which non-practitioners believe means speculation.
Why do you surmise that the goals only apply in Ukraine which in Russian is “borderland”.
Whom are “the nazi’s” to be de-nazified ?
Whom are meant to be de-militarised ?
I always thought that by demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine it would not be enough, since just a proxy…
There are people in Telegram reporting that the Azov are settling in Switzerland…where Tarya already was….
Very useful for building a new Gladio…
Btw, where is Biletsky? He has not fought a damn for Ukraine….
Everybody in Europe, except the looters, Pustula von der Leyen, Thierry Breton ( who wants to ban social networks so that people do not talk about him…). and the like, will benefit from denazification and demilitarization of Europe….
“Ghost of Mozgovoy says
12 July 2023 at 18:23
I always thought that by demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine it would not be enough, since just a proxy…”
No you never thought;
You assumed like many in the self-misdesignated culture “The United States of America”, that you fully understood the concepts of de-militarisation and de-nazification, and by doing so illustrated your immersion in such methods encouraged/pursued by the self-misdesignated culture “The United States of America” namely reliance on belief, “certainty”, hope, and speculation.
This was previously brought to your attention by the posed question “Are you American?” to which you took offence.
This illustrated an additional reaction prevalent in the self-misdesignated culture “The United States of America” in response to co-operation perceived as “attack/criticism”, a component of why “The United States of America” is agreement incapable, and hence incapable of being “United”, as shared by many including but not restricted to:
Please censor this ASAP says
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Please censor this ASAP says
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12 July 2023 at 22:41
(an approximation of the behaviour of the little girl who attempted to “blackmail” others by saying she would sit in the corner and eat worms, which in various presentations is prevalent in the self-designated culture “The United States of America”, who send “unprepared” people into war zones in hope that such practices will be force multipliers of “hate in facilitation of constant enemies/divide and rule to which you alluded in a previous comment, since perceiving others as merely food sources and human shields are also prevalent in the self-misdesignated culture “The United States of America” requiring transcendence).
The Security Council of The Russian Federation, which has always been a collective considering the observations of many sources, have and will continue to define the how-tos in facilitation.
Enjoy your journey and try to remember that in context cake is likely tastier when you remain alive, and your remaining alive probability decreases when you run away.
Alex C. of The Duran told me what he (Big E) got for this worthless PR offer: the right to give Schengen visa for three month of every 6 if one have a turkish passport. Sure, trade etc., but now you can buy into Schengen if you buy a Turkish passport – that’s huge.
Some mentioned Sweden and arctic sea, but this surely is Russia’s turf, so what? Without Russia, nothing goes up there whether Sweden is NATO or not doesn’t even matter. So Mary is right.
Who wants to say Russia what will happen in the Northern Seas? Canada? Big laugh. USA’s Ice breaker fleet? There is none. Iceland? I’m getting silly, please excuse me.
That place sure is Russian turf, but if you ask kindly they might help your ships trespass the Northern Passage which will have an immense worth in the future. The west wants to grab into that turf, as always, but they have nothing to be able to grab into it. Sure submarines, but this would be warfare, the worth comes from commercial trade routes.
Suez canal bypassed by combined Belt-and-Road via Iran, railways, Black Sea fleet etc., Northern passage completely in Russia’s hands – no wonder Lloyd’s London/MI-6 went borderline insane. They are completely out now. But well pirates as they are, who cares except the red shields? I’m none of them, I sit and laugh for the Brits destroyed my land for good so thank you, Russia, that you bring my vengeance on them. If I didn’t already, now I would love you completely.
“I sit and laugh for the Brits destroyed my land for good so thank you, Russia, that you bring my vengeance on them. If I didn’t already, now I would love you completely.”
This is the essential thing, that the people in the West fail to understand. Their “exceptional civilization” is built on the back of others, and now the time has come to pay the bills.
The other day I saw an interview with a protester in France. He didn’t even mention a guy that was killed by the police (aka the reason for protests). He said that his country was colonized by France, and now they want to colonize France, and make them pay for what they did.
This was a long time coming. Russia just accelerated things, acting in self defense, because it was pushed into the corner by the insatiable West.
“Suez canal bypassed by combined Belt-and-Road via Iran, railways, Black Sea fleet etc., Northern passage completely in Russia’s hands – no wonder Lloyd’s London/MI-6 went borderline insane.”
As did Mr. Brezhnev and his faction in the Politburo in 1973, thereby accelerating the ongoing transcendence of “The Soviet Union” by the Russian Federation.
He never sought a medal for that though, even as he realised the outcomes of his endeavours by 1980, once more illustrating that certainty is the greatest weakness.
I think you confused Brezhnev with Brzeziński here, MirrorGazer. 😉
Nevermind…- but this Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzeziński fits even better to your “certainty is the greatest weakness”, especially when it comes to hubris caused by own supremacist thinking, dishonesty to your homeland population, masking of own globalist hegemonistic interests, and wrongfully concepts flawed because of lies, corrupted data and illfated strategies that in the end were utter failures and sheer madness.
Best proof for my thesis is the desolate state of the United States of America of nowadays, while Russia got to the roots of their problems, removed them and are now stronger than ever.
Better clean the own yard than looking to the neigbhor’s to blame his deeds, I’d suppose.
“I think you confused Brezhnev with Brzeziński here, MirrorGazer.”
You didn’t think, you believed and were mistaken on the bases of evidence to which you likely have limited access.
The Brzezinsky father and son were products of the Kresy and disciples of Mr. Pilsudski and at arms length Mr. Wilson due to the metamorphosis of the Kresy from 1920 until 1939 through divide and rule tactics facilitating the subsequent creation of “banderists”; the son publishing Mr. Pilsudski’s concepts of 1923 and presenting them as his own in 1978.
These concepts were adopted by others including Mr. John McCain in modified form such as “Russia is a gas station …..”
Mr. Brezhnev and his faction in the Poltburo facilitated the ongoing transcendence of “The Soviet Union” from at least August 1968 onwards, including with the subsequent complicity of some of Mr. Pilsudski’s concepts of 1923 that Mr. Brzezinski presented as his own in 1978, subsequently facilitating the complicity of “The United States of America” in the ongoing transcendence of “The Soviet Union” by The Russian Federation, interpreted by “The United States of America” as “We won the Cold War”; The Russian Federation understanding by at least August 1968 that “The Soviet Union” was not sustainable and that the opponents would seek all outcomes derived therefrom to be used to their sole advantages, and hence The Russian Federation pondered from 1969 onwards :
How to drown a drowning man with the minimum of blowback ?
“but this Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzeziński fits even better to your “certainty is the greatest weakness”
You are mistaken.
Mr. Brezhnev and his faction within the Politburo, despite advice from various sources of facility chose the “certainty” which sabotaged his purpose of sustaining “The Soviet Union” within acceptable tolerances, which accelerated the unsustainability of “The Soviet Union” whilst affording “protection” from opponents some of whom still believe that “We won the Cold War” whilst a different sum of some try to facilitate it just in case, and the not perceived guided facilitation of their complicity in the ongoing transcendence of “The Soviet Union” and “The United States of America” by The Russian Federation, including by the notices of intent which they interpreted as ultimata.
Like Mr. Kissinger and many others before him whether wearing green horns or not, Mr. Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzeziński was an insecure immigrant trying to make his way as a stranger in a strange land and hence was never certain, mostly apprehensive, which both tried to obscure by manufactured bravado.
Another emulator who was never certain but tried to obscure this initially by manufactured bravado was Mr. John von Neumann, although such behaviour to facilitate ascensions remain quite popular in “The United States of America”.
Consequently many practitioners hold that Mr. Brezhnev is the best current example of certainty being the current greatest weakness, and it is unlikely that he will be superceded by either Mr. Biden or Mr. Trump since the “certainty” that facilitated the complicity of “The United States of America” in their own transcendence was with the agency of many since Mr. Dulles and Mr. Wolff agreed a conditional surrender in the Bolzano region on or about the 4th of May 1945.
Evaluation is a function of purpose and facility including but not restricted to rigorous periodic testing, and in this matter from 1969 onwards has been rigorously applied since another criteria governing output has been “Tell the truth as often as possible, but if not possible say nothing and allow others to speculate.
You may have seen this practice applied but chose to interpret this in a different way.
Mirror, did you ever fell asleep reading your walls of text? I won’t waste my time on this, but in academia you sure are THE MAN.
O my gosh (*blushed*) I’m a bit ashamed, of course I was talking about Belt-and-Road via Iran per railway up to the CASPIAN sea trade fleet to Moscow.
If only I didn’t ditch Geography lessons that much…- my apologize.
“my apologize”
No need to apologise since a blog is a broadcast portal to an audience greater than one, consequently you were in large part the coat-hanger upon which to dress a broadcast through this portal, hence you made the correct decision not to waste my (your) time on this, namely MirrorGazers says
13 July 2023 at 12:45.
whilst practicising good manners.
I don’t care for your worthless illusions. Reality check: you are a waste of your time, mine you do neither control nor is there anything useful for me in talking about manners with a devastated mind fully under MK-ultra control. Realize now that you have lost. Bye-bye
Prigozhin is still in Russia — and still under investigation. This is cleanup time at the MoD and GRU — and for Priggy’s companies.
Priggy was correct — yes–there WAS something rotten in the MoD and GRU–the 400 odd companies in his little empire.
On the other hand, Prigg has been useful. Even the “mutiny” — more like a labor dispute between guys with guns and missiles–has proven useful–as you say.
I doubt, however, that Priggy would ever get “whacked”. Putin is KGB – but also a lawyer and a believer in the rule of law. Priggy might end up having to get some new prison tattoos . Along with Dmitry Utkin.
Well Larry, I don’t suppose Erdogan is psycho enough to think that Russia will destroy NATO and the EU, and Turkey can take over Europe? He has demonstrated delusions of a modern version of the Ottoman Empire. He, of all those in NATO must know that Russia will win, and if NATO/EU commits too much to Ukraine it will finish them.
How about that “black swan” flying around. There’s a lot of Muslims all over Europe that are running out of control. In strange times, crazy dictators come up with crazy ideas. And, looking at how this could all play out, it might not be that far fetched given the mass migration. That’s not to say it has a hope in hell of working, but something a crazed lunatic might try. And after Russia is done with Ukraine, Turkey will be sitting with pretty much all the hardware left in NATO, as they don’t seem to keen to send much Ukraine’s way.
Maybe Erdogan will invite himself and Turkey into the EU. Who’s going to stop him if that’s what he wants? The Turks have been there before. Rally the Islamic world against those infidels and all their blasphemous LGBTQ+ culture. Given the rampant stupidity in Europe right now, it’s not that far fetched.
Indeed, in these crazy times nothing is too far fetched!
Search in YouTube for videos of the UK and the Muslim community. An interesting video titled as follows: “London’s ‘Muslim Patrol’ aims to impose Sharia law in East London”.
Mixing “Türkiye” with a population of 85 million (!), with a median age of 33 into the EU would be very interesting.
I transited through Heathrow once and thought I landed in Karachi.
No, that would be Birmingham (UK), complete with squat holes in the toilet floors.
Are Muslims in Ukraine? In Poland? IN lithuania?
What do you thinks Muslims will do any worse than the Christians have done? Were there Muslims in Nazi Germany?
Actually, there are Muslim Tatars in Lithuania. They were brought over six hundred years ago as warriors and palace guards and remained, forming a tightly knit ethnic subculture in Lithuania.
If you don’t mind my referencing BBC, they describe it well.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35170834
The turn-about of Erdogan looks so artificial and concessions so meaningless that it really suggests to me some kind of a setup. Particularly done shortly after the elections that he won easily against a west supported opponent. So why ?
The west swollows naively everything, just like in the Prigozin case. Western hope Prigo, barely saving is head in a high treason case, talks suddenly to Putin in Kremlin just 2 weeks after the putch! C’mmon! Let’s expect the old fox Erdo to talk to Putin again, and then soon, basically reversing himself again and announcing something more material – like getting out of NATO, for instance…
Turkey, one wonders why they would want to join the EU, it means being under Brussels rule, all the idiotic green regulations, deification of transgenders and of course being on the hook to pay endless billions to Ukraine. Suspect there was a different sweetener.
Of course Russia is offering, or was at least was, the energy hub, something the EU would unlikely allow. We shall see what Erdogan is really up to in time I suppose.
It means millions of Turks could move to Western Europe. You imagine a real Single Market with Mexico and US with free no enemy of people
which is why the EU will continue to string Turkey along but never agree – particularly now that Turkey no longer has a bargaining chip. My guess is there was a large cash payment (to Erdogan personally), otherwise it is a lose-lose decision For Erdogan (and lose lose for Turkey in any case).
It’s a secret plan between Erdogan and Putin to destroy the EU. 😉
Given Erdogan’s mismanagement of the lira, he probably would welcome the euro. That would freeze him out of any new BRICS currency or interplay with though, which I’m sure he has an eye on as well, so who knows?
I doubt they’ll let him in. They’d have a major money pit to face for starters. Plus, how would he continue his profitable business with Russia?
His moves are strange, that’s all I can say.
The Dutch prime minister Rutte has just blown up his fourth cabinet and will not lead his party into the next election. Reason: Unknown.
My speculation is that he sees the end of 404 when the world will accept that Ukraine shot down MH17. In 2014 three days after the Joint Investigation Team was set up by the Dutch government Ukraine was included because it shot down the aircraft. That way Ukraine could introduce its “evidence” without it being checked by the other members – as my right of center newspaper NRC wrote at the time. Otherwise NRC is a true MSM newspaper. Rutte wouldn’t want to be prime minister when his decision – inspired by then vice president Biden? – becomes part of the scandal.
rutte`s resignation had nothing whatsoever to do with his country`s rabidly hawkish policies towards russia in ukraine. rather, the rutte government in the netherlands broke up due to the impossibility of formulating a cohesive national strategy re: immigration. while rutte was proposing even more liberal policies than are currently being practised(!), opposition parties stood their ground, resulting in rutte stepping down as prime minister.
It is possible these are back door negations of RF and the USA. Let in Sweden and give up Ukraine to end this madness. Either way I am pretty shocked on erdogan.
Just watched the Judge’s interview with OSS plankowner, Jack Levine. Madeline Kahn said it best: “Woof!” Where does he get his information from, CNN?
Was Jack around when the CIA missed the collapse of the Soviet Union? If he was, then why waste time listening to his analysis of Russia? The Judge wishes for a counter argument and balanced reporting which is fine. However, Jack has no logic to be privide a counter argument. It is more like he’s providing counter reality.
Napolitano doesn’t even know that the g in Yevgeny is hard. From someone with an Italian background and I’d assume aware of all the peculiar rules in Italian pronunciation and their gross mispronunciation in English, you’d think he’d be predisposed to spending a bit more time figuring things out. At least he tried with Texeira but even got that wrong.
It ain’t that hard, really. Even the American’s lame pronunciation gets the hard g right, if not the accented syllable.
https://translate.google.com/?sl=en&tl=ru&text=Yevgeny&op=translate
The couldn’t get Iraq right nor Iran right not even the name of the US Vice President right.
What do you expect?
LOL……..Eye Rack, Eye Ran.
Point taken.
Wait until you hear him pronounce Versace. 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iM9Gav-G4c
LMAO…..wow, that’s sooo unchic
Anyway, I’m outta here. Chow ragazzi 😉 Better get it while it’s hot.
Why has everyone forgotten about me? Is my name too hard to pronounce? I can change it, change the laws, whatever you want. – just finish installing me in Caracas. 🙁
@Juan Guaido
It’s better to be forgotten than dead, or in jail. Zelensky won’t be forgotten.
No more Caracas for you. Now it’s “Hollywood or Bust”. If Navalny could get an Oscar, so can you. For advice on changing name to one easier to pronounce, ask Schwarzenegger.
how could prigo be a double agent? if he were so there would surely be some deceivement of western services, while the prigo “coup” didin’t brought anything useful to russians. probably usa won’t take russia seriously anymore cause they can always hope to another “coup” like this. yves smith told that russia can win the war but lose the peace. i agree with her, and i don’t think that russians will let go the man who managed to damaged them more than anybody else, and in the meanwhile he also sold rotten food to the russian army (simplicius showed the pic, it seems that “food” like that can be more dangerous than ukraine army). it was really a shameful page in russian history
Azov guys go back to the front to be shot at. EU for Turkiye a dream only. An arms factory to be blown up at (mainly) US taxpayer expense. Sweden becomes a legit target in war with NATO (instead of being in the way, and a safe haven for NATO forces). What has Erdogan done to harm Russia other than a small PR pinprick? NATO should be more worried about the consequences, and it will now be more difficult than ever to get rid of Turkiye from NATO.
Yep. A good assessment there.
Turkiye are good at playing games, but i’m not sure why anyone would want to join the EU at this point. Turkiye and Ukraine would both benefit from neutrality, and would both be welcome in the SCO/BRICS at some point.
Those Azov fellows could have seen out the war in relative luxury. Now they are likely to end up dead. Not a great deal for them.
I usually feel a bit sorry for Ukie POWs who get exchanged and sent back to the front, but on this occasion, good riddance!
The last country next to the US to ever be booted out of NATO would be Turkiye. It’s a gatekeeper.
Erdogan probably saw all the western gifts showered on Modi and asked “what am I, chopped liver?”
F. Tuijn, you are completely correct. It was the Ukrainian army that shot down MH17 and the Rutte government in a confidential vote decided to blame it on Russia.
In the Dutch Safety Board report on page 239 https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/media/attachment/2018/7/10/debcd724fe7breport_mh17_crash.pdf you will find this gem: “The CTIVD’s investigation revealed that the MIVD and AIVD possessed information that the Ukrainian and Russian forces did have powerful air-defence systems. The Russian armed forces on the territory of the Russian Federation near the border with the eastern part of Ukraine; the Ukrainian armed forces in the west of Ukraine and a number in the eastern part of the country.”
MH17 was shot down over the eastern part of Ukraine. The Ukrainian army was operating powerful air-defence systems in the eastern part of Ukraine. Ukraine should have been treated as a criminal suspect, yet they were included in the Joint Investigation Team that conducted the criminal investigation. That’s like Pablo Escobar being part of the police team that investigates crimes by the criminal organization run by… Pablo Escobar. That’s outrageous. BTW Russia was excluded from the JIT.
The decision to include Ukraine in the JIT had nothing to do with due process, it was a political decision. The MH17 trial was a political trial. The Dutch are spineless US vassals, allowing their own citizens to be killed by an ally and blaming it on an adversary for political expedience. The price you have to pay being part of NATO. Gladio 2.0.
Why would Ukraine shoot down an airliner with mainly passengers from NATO countries? We only have to look at the current situation on the battlefield. Bucha, ZNPP, the Kakhovka Dam. The Ukrainians will do anything to get NATO more involved in the conflict.
There is a reason why Western funded propaganda factories like Bellingcat and OCCRP have moved their headquarters from outside the EU to the Netherlands. They are well-protected by the Dutch government and judiciary.
We can be sure that some of the Ukrainians involved in the downing of MH17 and the subsequent “criminal investigation” made copies of interesting stuff to cover their asses when SHTF. It would cause quite a scandal in the Netherlands.
Is that why the Dutch government is so active with military aid to Ukraine? Lots of burning YPR’s and now they push for F-16’s.
Remember to request the air-control tower tapes, where the civilian aircraft was sent over a war zone.
What ever happened to the Spanish air controller?
It’s that pilot that was so upset at not having been able to save MH17 that he had to commit suicide before the Dutch court could interview him that I fret about.
I’ll give you 4 to 1 odds that Ukraine did it. Ukraine with veto rights on release of the Dutch findings? Give me a break. That was a major tell right there. John Helmer wrote a lot on the proceedings.
Funny story: I ran across two young guys, Dutch tourists in Lithuania a few months after MH17 and asked them who they thought was behind it. Without any hesitation, they said – Ukraine.
I don’t think Turkey really wants to join the EU, in my opinion Erdogan wants EU money
For years that the negotiations have taken place, Turkey has received billions of euros from the funds for upgrading before accession.
Once again, friend Rejep will have what he wants: the Europeans will pay.
I would not be surprised if Biden decides to give Ukraine NATO membership since it seems to me that citizens of the EU are very quickly beginning to realize their real enemy is the US and not Russia. The US needs The EU to buy US oil. The US is not depend on Arab oil anymore.
“it seems to me that citizens of the EU are very quickly beginning to realize their real enemy is the US and not Russia.”
I wouldn’t hold your breath.
People always assume that Wagner was classical mercenary outfit, where mercenaries work for money and follow their leader.
However, my impression always was that they are mostly the strongest RU hardliners – people who are willing to do everything for the sake of RU, willing to go to the other side of the world and fight for RU’s interests without even getting official acknowledgement or support, and willing to die for that cause – basically, external army of hardcore patriots.
Ofcourse, there are always exceptions, and as for prison inmates you cannot be 100% sure, but here I was talking about Wagner core fighters and officers.
If my impression was correct (and I think it was), there was literally 0 percent of a chance that Wagner could be used to bring down RU government, so I don’t know how anyone serious could think that it could work out, especially against leader like Putin who did bring RU up from abyss and made it into super power again
People always assume that Wagner was classical mercenary outfit, where mercenaries work for money and follow their leader.
Who are these “people” ???????
It is blatantly obvious that Wagner was a cutout for the GRU able to act as if it was not the Russian Government using sovereign forces – US has its cutouts in Blackwater/Constellis and Spear Operations Group and Triple Canopy and Unity Resources – Britain has its own cutouts using former SAS/SBS on outsourced government work
It is so commonplace – Israel must have quite a few off-books groups
It allowed people to join who did not want to be in the regular structures and who liked side-deals
“Classic” mercenary outfits rarely survive if they are not congruent with government policy like Sandline – they are outsourced from MI6 or MoD itself…………after you work in “Forces Research Unit” in Northern Ireland you might not find regular work appealing…….
Britain used Hessian Mercenaries to fight in the War against the Rebel Colonists in North America and in Scotland…….
There are plenty of people, even on these boards who keep talking like you can’t trust mercenaries and things like that – of course that is true, but only if we talk about real mercenaries which Wagner absolutely was not consisted of…
A side note here – some Hessians settled in the Appalachians after the war and in at least one place in West Virginia their descendants are still referred to as Hessian.
That’s after they fragged their English commanders, right?
Possibly POWs who never went home.
Larry,
Off topic (apologies) but is there anything akin to VIPS on the military side?
I ask because it seems to me a public statement from respected former senior military officers might have a chance of breaking through the muffled zone surrounding Ukraine. If the signatories to any such statement carried sufficient weight, it might even persuade some serving officers to break ranks and speak honestly.
This can’t be a new thought but I don’t recall seeing anything of that nature. Would appreciate your thoughts, and those of other readers here.
No, but great idea.
Best someone get the ball rolling then before we’re all walking ads for Day-Glo.
Regarding Turkey every thing is about money.
GCC, China and many others are tired of bailing him out.
Once it takes IMF loan to bail itself, all of us knows how the story ends.
>>Once it takes IMF loan to bail itself, all of us knows how the story ends.
Yes, but in this particular case the ending could be even worse than usual. Once they’ve got you to the point where you’ll agree to anything – well, use your imagination.
It’s not about money, as much as it’s about haggling. Erdogan can’t help himself. He would rather haggle to a worse deal, than accept the original offer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2iZjxSGca8
All the World’s a Turkish Bazaar.
The fact is Prigozhin is immensely popular in Wagner because he looks out for his men. Wagner may be created and armed by the GRU, but it isn’t any regular army general who came to Artëmovsk to stand with the Wagnerites while they were fighting the nazis. It was Prigozhin who put hindsight at risk repeatedly. It was Prigozhin who flew to St Petersburg in the hold of a cargo plane with his injured men, eating the same food as they did. Without Prigozhin Wagner’s morale, the crucial factor that makes them, is gone. Putin must recognise this.
That is a good point. Andrei Martyanov
berates western education and praises the math and science capabilities of Russia. Leadership skills in most endeavors is critical to success in the United States. He loves to denigrate George Patton and his battlefield skills. Patton commanded to win and kill the enemy while limiting his own casualties. His troops thought he was an odd one but were confident in his
guidance. My now deceased WW2 uncle called him a rooster. Perhaps the caterer studied the rooster instead of physics.
The fact is, you have no clue – ” Prigozhin is immensely popular in Wagner because he looks out for his men”
Absolutely, a commander who “looks out for his men” would obviously recruit thousands of men from prisons by offering them false hope of a pardon if they fight for 6 months, while actually sending them into battle with just 2 weeks of training, where they are killed by the thousands.
If I was Putin, I would personally put a bullet in Prigozhins head, live on TV, and then spit on his grave. Double agent, triple agent, quadruple agent, whatever, Prighozin is just scum, by any measure.
Anyone who doubts this should waste some time by watching Prighozins many videos on Telegram, where the progression of his mental illness as the war went on is clear for all to see – he evolves from “eccentric” and “highly opinionated” at the start of the SMO, to full on delusional mental illness by June of this year, as his brain slowly melts down. If you look into his eyes, do you see any sanity there, because I don’t.
Every one of Prigozhin’s “mentally ill” rants is highly scripted and choreographed down to the slightest detail. Why when he is “unhinged” does he never ever criticise Putin? Why is every gesture rehearsed, like the one where he told his cameraman to get a video of the bodies of dead Wagner? Prigozhin is making himself a political base in Russia. He’s not stupid, he’s a highly intelligent individual with strong political ambitions and more name recognition among the population than any other potential Putin successor than Medvedev.
Being crazy and being stupid are not the same thing. He’s a highly intelligent individual, that got lost in a delusions of grandeur.
Many fell for his BS, and now are ashamed to admit it. It’s easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooled.
I think the US flipped Erdogan by throwing the Kurds under the bus. Kurdish resistance is Erdogan’s biggest problem and the source of tensions with Sweden. Erdogan got a free hand to deal with them and got some kind of concessions from the EU. NATO got Sweden and some Black Sea deal.
Israel used the Kurds as a point of leverage against Turkey, Iran and Iraq. They won’t be happy with the deal.
I remember walking past a Turkish tourist & industry promotion center just across from the UN maybe 40 years ago that that morning had the glass facade blown out by a bomb – Kurds of course.
That problem ain’t going away anytime soon.
It’s a shame…I really like their coffee, baklava and shish kebab.
Regarding Prizhogin, Winston Churchill said: “I cannot predict Russia’s action for you. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, within an enigma.”
As for Erdoğan, a very natural or genetic curse of Khazar-Donmeh, Crypto Jews, mega greed and when they can mega looters and cruel mass crimes. And the Russians know this very well, because they are the millennial enemies of Russia.
BBC broadcast 1939 was: “I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest.”
It’s real simple, actually. I always let out a guffaw when I hear mention of this much ballyhooed ‘moral high ground’ that the West likes to wrap itself in. What Ukraine failed to appreciate, nor the West after it…is that when you rip the rights off your citizens backs in a violent coup like so much hot flesh, treat them as unwelcome foreigners in ‘your’ land (gifted by Lenin, no less) – and never mind how many centuries they’ve lived there, label them all as terrorists for voicing their dissent, then begin sporadically murdering them just because you can, then early or late – you’re cruisin’ for a major bruisin’ – and that’s just what they got. There’s your moral high ground for you. The West better figure that out before it’s too late. The Ukrainians? I doubt they’ll ever learn.
Banderites did it to the Poles living in the West and their ideological descendants began doing it to the Russians living in their East.
Bandera’s goal was “the creation of a fascist state devoid of minorities”. (the arch-russophobe T.Snyder’s own written words).
No rocket science needed here. It’s simply called ‘ethnic cleansing, in deed and thought.
America will forever live in infamy over their role in this disaster, no matter how hard it tries to massage the historical record.
Who did Erdogan ask for his EU membership ? Brandon. So much for EU independence.
Anyway there are many reason why the EU won’t let Turkey in : Cyprus , the migrants questions , economic balance , sanctions applications etc… it will just saw more divisions in the EU garden : the place will end-up more fractured than before but this time the breaking point will be the willingness to please the US or the willingness to continue existing as a “working” (big word!) custom union.
He wants to destroy EU from the inside, and feed leftovers into New Ottoman Empire.
As regards Ukr not getting to first lines of Rus Defense? I read about the new Ukr ‘tactic’ of overrunning the trenches in smaller groups and taking hugh losses – as the Russians are retreating and allowing Ukr have the trench only to be shelled and lost. Horrendous.
Those trenches are not the first line. They’re in front of it. There are videos of Ukrainian soldiers jumping in, only to detonate the land mines waiting for them.
Hi Larry,
there was an interview in the german media with Kujat (Generalmajor a.D., Generalinspekteur der Bundeswehr):
https://www.emma.de/artikel/russland-will-verhandeln-340083
(It’s german so you have to translate it)
– Merkel 2014/Minsk II
– russian offer for peace right at the start of the invasion
– german MSM
The strange part: ‘Emma’ is an old-fashioned feminist magazin. Not MSM. Strange that someone like him has to go there to have an interview.
This is not strange at all. Emma is pretty much the only magazine left where opinions are published that don’t reflect the MSM narrative.
Regarding Erdogan: we must keep in mind that “all politics is internal politics”.
Erdogan almost lost the last election and it seems it had to make concessions to pro-EU politicians. As an example, the new Ministry of Treasure is a British citizen that has previously worked for the US Embassy in Ankara, as well as for European banks; the new governor of the Central Bank is a former Goldman Sachs executive.
He is betting on economic recovery with the blessing of the west to stay in power, hence his attitudes towards EU and NATO.
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/erdogans-new-cabinet-should-improve-ties-with-the-west
“TALK TURKEY”
“https://www.rt.com/russia/579537-turkey-eu-membership-peskov/
In volleyball sometimes it takes two to make the set-up as allowed by “the rules”.
Reading all the analyses and comments made in the West on the Prigozhin enigma made me realize that the whole world outside of what “we” control has become opaque and incomprehensible to us.
We used to think the Chinese were “inscrutable.” We thought, however, that we had the Russians down pat: backward, simple-minded drunkards.
And now the Russians are inscrutable! When did they become impossible to read, comprehend and predict?
Or is it that we never felt we needed to get to know them and now we discover that we have always been arrogant in our ignorance and stupidity and may not have time to wise up?
“outside of what we control”
“become opaque and incomprehensible to us.”
No.
Almost evarything everywhere has been and remains opaque and incomprehensible almost constantly; hence Mr. Chomsky’s observation “My country doesn’t lie, because to lie you need to know “the truth”, and Mr. Sinatra sang:
Fairy tales can come true
It can happen to you
If you’re young at heart.
and when he says “my country” he means the US? just askin’
I may be on the petty side of the spectrum but Prig needs to go. He embarrassed his country, in time of unprecedented threat no less, by engaging in bizarre antics that served no visible positive purpose. I hope the Russkies are just biding their time and considering options before he gets his comeuppance.
“I may be on the petty side of the spectrum but Prig needs to go.”
No.
You are not on the present spectrum of significance even given the spectrum is lateral.
Here is something that will be deemed outside the spectrum :
Who is responsible for the decision to send the Azov commanders to Ankara instead of keeping them in Russia to face a real warcrime tribunal???
We can assume that this decision was NOT taken by a low ranking military officer. So who is responsible for such a gigantic insult to all the families of the victims of the Azov Battalion since 2014??
And THIS PERSON expect me to believe the purpose of the SMO is the denazification of Ukraine??? Really!
Excuse me! I kind of forgot that some question must never be asked! Freedom of speech is so important.. Especially on this website….
If I remember correctly, the decision to allow the Azov commanders to go to Ankara was a compromise necessary to allow the release of many Russian POWs who were being tortured and mutilated by Ukraine. Ukraine refused any prisoner exchanges that did not include the Azov fighters. I said at the time, that the lives and well beig of the Russian POWs was worth much more than punishment or vengeance of the Nazi criminals. If I was the wife/mother/sister or friend/family member of the freed Russian prisoners, I would glady exchange any number of Azov for my loved one.
“Freedom of speech is so important.. Especially on this website….”
No it isn’t.
You have “freedom of speech” to ask questions, but not to receive answers including on this website.
” I kind of forgot that some question must never be asked!”
As above you are mistaken – all spectators can ask questions, and all practitioners can decide whether or not to answer your questions, whether you believe that you are entitled to receive answers or not – an illusion which is predicated upon and facilitates speculations upon what are “representative democracies”.
“THIS PERSON expect me to believe the purpose of the SMO is the denazification of Ukraine”
THIS PERSON doesn’t care what you believe since you have little or any agency ergo outwith the spectrum even given the spectrum is lateral, whilst some persons continue misguidedly to be immersed in if-only-the-papa-czar-knewness and that “blogs” are agora not broadcast portals.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You say : FREEDOM OF SPEECH is NOT IMPORTANT.. Congratulations for revealing your true personality.. You are a champion of censorship! YOU SHOULD HAVE LIVED in the 13th century…
and even better :
Receiving an answer is a privilege on this website… Great!
You should be a university teacher!!!!
If controversial questions are forbidden, then we are slowly drifting to the kind of conformity of opinion found in a sect!!!
Mirrorgazers : you dislike freedom of speech?? YOU HAVE ALL THE SKILLS TO BE A PERFECT SECT LEADER!!!
Create your own sect! And of course, you should NEVER answer a question coming from someone who is NOT in YOUR SECT! Farewell inquisitor! Reply to me as much as you want, I will never read you again.. NEVER
I agree that Prig must go… But there is someone else who should be removed for betraying ALL the civilian and military victims of Azov since 2014. I am not surprised to see how skillfully this topic is CONSTANTLY avoided on this website as well as many others..
The question is :
Who in the Russian Federation decided that the Azov Commanders should be moved to Ankara instead of staying in Russia to face a real warcrime tribunal?????
Who is the traitor who repeateadly told us the purpose of the SMO is the DENAZIFICATION of Ukraine! LOL LOL LOL
Who is responsible for sending the neonazis to scapegoat Erdogan??
A low-ranking russian officer??? An employee of RT??? An employee from Gazprom??? LOL
Certainly not someone in Moscow!!!!! Certainly not the President!!! LOL LOL LOL
It looks like very few persons in this website are genuinely concerned about the families of the victims of the Azov Battalion since 2014!!! Not impressed to say the least!
I was reading all the previous comments and then I saw yours… Suddenly I became temporarily blind! My eyes could not cope with the pressure of seeing someone who implies that Putin could have been involved in the decision to give a second warcrime life to the Banderites!!
Hey… The purpose of the SMO is DENAZIFICATION of Ukraine!
So ( wink wink ) sending Denys Prokopenko back to Kiev via Ankara had to be the best decision ever!!! Prokopenko should at least say Thank You publicly to the unknown person located in Moscow!
Now I just recovered my sight so I will pretend that your message does not exist!!!!
I identify your message as non-existing! THE CASE IS CLOSED!
“I was reading all the previous comments and then I saw yours… ”
You have replied to your own comment.
Sarcasm is a useful tool inside an environment where insults are typically used to avoid discussing important topics.. One asks a question and the answer is “take your pills” or STFU Nato troll.
If controversial questions are forbidden, then we are slowly drifting to the kind of conformity of opinion found in a sect!!!
Us and Them… as used to say some US warcriminal
Feel free to block me permanently.. I will not reappear under another nickname.. I can live without the insults coming from some of your followers!
Here is the answer to your unallowed question :
The person responsible for the SECOND EVACUATION of the Azov Commanders is anybody except Putin!
There were very few options available to allow the Banderites to avoid a russian warcrime tribunal.. While still boasting that the Champion of the Multipolar world is
striving for a FAIR and JUST alternative to the Empire of LIES..
It is like doing a cartwheel AND a backflip at the same time!!!
Not easy, but UNICORNS can do that! Otherwise, it is easier to relocate your question under the rug!
BTW Was Hermann Goering released before the Nuremberg trial???
Someone in Russia decided that they also can BUILD BACK BETTER!!! LOL
You need to take your pill before posting, not sniff the powder. This schizophrenic stuff is having countereffect. Slava Cocaini!
Great answer to the question!! LOL Hard to answer any question after a lobotomy!
Much easier to vomit insults…
We, the Teletubbies, are famous for our low IQ and unability to answer even a simple question!! Instead of using our brain cells, we just avoid discussion and rely on insults!
Way to go Prigozhin! We are really proud of you!
I know you worship me more that Jesus, Galina moya! That’s why you are so easilly triggered by someone disrespecting your saint. Slava me!
Who is responsible for allowing the neonazis to avoid facing a russian warcrime tribunal???
Certainly not Putin… Because?!??! Because he was not informed!!! OUF! I found something…. Another successful Unicorn backflip!!!
The real answer is :
The guilty guy is Navalny!!! If Putin tells us that it is Navalny’s fault, then WE ( The Woked Unicorns) WILL BELIEVE IT!!!
After all, Putin is the one who is fighting the Empire of LIES…
Andrew Korybko wrote * that the pressure was “serious enough for President Erdogan to conclude that his country’s national interests are better served by complying than defying.”
Maybe the pressure was serious enough for Erdogan to conclude that HIS interests are better served by complying. I also don’ t rule out that he offers Putin something in return.
* https://korybko.substack.com/p/revisiting-putins-praise-of-erdogan
Larry’s comparison of Turkey joining the EU with someone joining the Hell’s Angels was hilarious. It is great how he can add a touch of humor to serious topics.
The German chancellor Scholz said, there can be no connection between Turkey into EU and Sweden into NATO. Funny guy. His master’s voice, doesn’t he hear it?
Scholz would make a good butler. Anything else, forget it.
Regarding Turkyie and Erdogan… Well Turkiye is a sovereign country and can decide what is the best for them.
Turkyie has been knocking at the European door, it is say for 50 years… The opposition during the presidential election campaign promoted the idea to make all what was necessary to become a member of the EU should they win. Erdogan who just initiate his new mandate “might think” that many in Tukyie would like to see that happen, even if I wonder why and I always wonder why a country would favor this choice and loose in this way, di facto its sovereignty… Erdogan is an astute politician…I doubt Turkyie will ever become a member of the EU…The have postponed this idea for so long because, for sure, it would be a “pain in the ass…”. The Eu have already difficulties with some member countries that are disobedient and enquire too much… Why should Europe add Turkyie, a country that do not really belong to the European realm…It is all a bluff… Russia is right not to comment to much on the entry of Sweden and Finland in Nato… They just have to secure their flanks… So let wait and see .
I still do not believe that any Russians died in the so-called “coup”.
If anyone has any ACTUAL PROOF of this (bodies ? funeral notices in a Russian paper ?), please reply.
But to date, I’ve only seen:
— a video of a relatively large smoldering plane on the ground (who uses a large many-passenger plane to “attack” a convoy ?) – no bodies, no proof that this wasn’t a five-year old video or an old plane they blew up in a field for the “take”
— another video of some smoking metal with some disinterested firefighters spraying some water on it – again, what ties this lump of metal to “the coup” ?
— and one local Russian newspaper article claiming a certain two Russians (no pictures) were part of the coup’s deaths.
Sorry, not enough. Even when Putin said the “hero pilots” (and some translations said “fallen pilots”)… ehh, not enough to just put out a casual statement in amidst other things being said. It’s the kind of thing you would say to convince the West that there was an “actual coup”.
But with Priggy still kicking and eventually headed for Belarus, or the fact that Wagner is now basically on Belarusan soil less than 200 miles from Kiev… it all adds up to a fake coup staged for the West, who might or might not have bribed Priggy with the hopes of an overthrow.
Apparently, Putin was willing to take 5% less votes next time from all his own citizens who were convinced this was a coup attack and think that Priggy should be arrested. But until I see more evidence of an ACTUAL coup, I will not buy it.
Someone… please convince me otherwise. Thank you.
“Someone… please convince me otherwise. Thank you.”
No, I am with you as this was Maskirovka Theater to accomplish several different objectives.
One of which is letting the speculation foment about what did happen. Judge Napolitano, God bless him, thinks 20 Russians were killed though as you stated there is not much proof. The Mi-8 may have been an operational accident on that day and they folded it into the story and it could also be the same with the electronic warfare plane if that one did happen.
Another is allowing Mikhail Khodorkovsky, whom I believe was the one President Putin was truly ticked off at from previous dealings, publicly expose himself thru his social media account encouraging a rebellion. He should worry about hotel windows, not because Putin will have him do a triple lindy out of it, but because his Master will see he is now useless and want to cut costs (Wealthy evil ones are also cheap azz bastards).
Then we have the “March of Justice” column cruising up to Moscow before the Martial Qum Ba Yah moment right when they needed to make the left at Voronezh to head west to Belarus. 8000 men places a Motorized Rifle Division trained in urban assault operations above Kiev and Kharkov. You did see how Otan started moving forces along the border with Belarus when this happened. And now the news drops that Putin had a heart-to-heart conversation with these Wayward Soldiers allowing them to do penance. Though what interests me about the news is several (including Commander Lotus, the other visible figure from Bakhmut) are saying Wagner forces are not in Belarus yet. Messing with West in military mind games.
Some key moments in the war this year are that Russia started their Spring Offensive on the Information Front being much more open in other areas than official channels (see Surovikin with the machine gun on his knee in the appeal to the mutineers, Shogiu, and even Mr. Shy himself, Gerasimov appearing in more published articles and videos, etc.) And The Ukrainians did start their Great Spring Counter Offensive on May 12 in the Bakhmut area, which is still ongoing today, that except for hitting the 400th Motor Rifle Brigade headquarters there was not much to brag about, so they held off on the PR operation until this Summer Offensive got underway. Also, Russia does do Redline Retaliation which was what the Six Kinzhals of March were as they entombed the crew at the Lviv Command & Control Center by taking out the two Patriots protecting the place before sealing the deal. The Russians walk the walk with very little talk. (I am making an assumption on the Patriot Batteries from Putin’s talk when he said 5 total systems were destroyed and it seems 3 in Kiev in May so that the other 2 would be placed by such a high value target such as a C&C center).
The Rus Ruse.
We just have to watch and see how all of this plays out and what new information pops up to fill in the pieces of the puzzle.
Thomas
Agreed !
Putin was ALSO willing to take less votes from those who believed the Azov Commanders should face a russian warcrime tribunal and be punished for their crimes in Donbass since 2014!!!!
Did he say DENAZIFICATION of Ukraine???
Look at who is fighting against the Empire of LIES
Are the relatives of the russian soldiers who died in Mariupol supposed to applaude the SECOND EVACUATION of the Banderites??????????
I remember Mariupol and rumors of high ranking NATO and a few copter flying away across the Black Sea to somewhere the Russian must know about because of their radar coverage of the Black Sea. Saker said they couldn’t shoot them down as they were flying only 17 feet above the water(???)
They flew over Azov sea, and over land in Zaporozhie/Kherson regions (NATO must have found holes in air defenses). Multiple helicopters have been shot down (over sea and land), and a couple of survivors were captured and filmed. Some helicopters managed to get away. They did fly extremly low. 5m is not a problem, over calm waters (unless there is a fighter aircraft in vincinity, because nothing can help then).
The Prigozhin & Erdogan shit-shows, and the apparently delusional statements across the board aren’t (indeed can’t) be what they appear to be. Something else is going on under the carpet.
To me, the whole suggests that a deal is in process between the US and Russia. Everybody knows the West’s UA gambit to gain control over Eurasia has come a cropper and that there’s no reversing that in the near term. Either the failure is to be managed so that it doesn’t cascade into a global disaster, or it’s Armageddon.
The immediate result is that Russia’s resources will stay Russia’s, and China’s wealth will stay China’s. Without gaining control of those, the IMF $ystem is out of runway. It’s now all about preparing the field for the $ystem to execute a wheels up belly landing as softly as possible, rather than the crash ‘n explode it was otherwise headed for.
Everybody is positioning themselves as best they can. NATO, Turkey, the EU (jointly and severally) as well as Wagner, Saudi Arabia, BRICS/SCO etc, etc are taking steps to accommodate whatever the deal may bring their way, with many steps of both omission and commission yet to come.
I hope/expect that any deal would be based on some mutually acceptable version of Russia’s Dec 2021 (non-)Ultimatums. We might see what it looks like before the year is out, but expect the unexpected until its details emerge. There’s a mind-numbing number of moving parts in play., and they aren’t all connected.
Yea, right, a deal. It would be signed by Biden himself, and also Erdogan as a guarantee that it holds. There are also some great new deals on real estate in the area between Energodar and Nikopol, at dirt cheap prices.
Hoping for World peace is what competitors for Miss World/Universe talk about. Speaking of those, recently a man won in one of EU countries.
In the Netherlands (vomit)
Is it possible for Turks, if being inside EU, can reside anywhere in the EU?
If so, Turkey can solve the Cyprus problem. While not unlimited, their population is younger and there are enough of them to migrate and create a majority in Greece or Bulgaria.
They can also charge Bangladeshi and Pakistani guys USD10k for turkish passports, and force them to settle in specified areas in the Balkans.
The Swedish media (lib) Dagens Nyheter, from Jonas Gummesson:
“Too high price in the Turkish bazar: The appeasement to Turkey is big. Hooked up in Erdogans fox trap. A new and close relationship is forced upon us. Two written deals with Erdogan,in Madrid, 2022, and one in Vilnius.
When Ankara soon calls and want purchase Swedish arms, quite good, to fight Kurdish insurgents,what Sweden trained in the Afghan war, for 15 years, for the US/Nato, (and lost) just answer and deliver. The, Madrid deal, 10 points focussing on terrorism, the Vilniusdeal, , short but over broad fields. But the ratification in Turkeys parliament is still not clear.
“A cooperation against terrorism, bilateral, called Security Compact, meeting once a year, working groups, but not detailed. Sweden must present a ” road-map” to counter terrorism, in all manifestations, Al-Quran burnings, PKK-demonstrations .
“Sweden must support Turkey’s application for EU, being Turkeys extended arm and mentor in Europe, customs with EU-Turkey, , and visa for Turks to EU.”
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Another DN-voice: Göran Greider:
”That the ”neutral Sweden” cease (200 years) to exist makes the world more unsafe. But Erdogan is Putins best friend, and take no part of the sanctions. With that autocrat, Sweden now will fight terrorism, but worst how come that Nato in confidence, allowed Turkey to approve Sweden, a far more demo-cratic nation -so What the hell is Nato by that ¨for kind of organization ? ” and soon Sweden will rule over the use of nuclear missiles.
But just a year ago, the then Social democratic government was dependent of a former PKK/YPG gerilla girl in the parliament, Amine Kakabahve,, but Sweden didn’t learn. But she manage even she, the Turk´s bazar methods.
As we see, Erdogan playing football even with Russia.
But this right government, can’t survive, next election. Requiem for Sweden.
Erdogan’s drama is becoming more and more similar to Prigozhin’s drama and in fact the drama is all ours in the West, as we draw hasty conclusions from ongoing processes. In fact, I don’t think that anything substantial has changed in Prigozhin’s case since the agreement with the Kremlin on the evening of the 24th. That spared Prigozhin’s life and a bloodbath in Russia. The problem is that we wanted Prigozhin to be in Belarus already on Sunday and the process is much more complicated. The idea I have is that Prigozhin, when realized he couldn’t gather the support he thought of in Russia, started collaborating with the Kremlin.
This does not mean that Prigozhin will ever again lead Wagner or do big business with the Russian state. It means that he will not die now and will provide the name of everyone involved in the coup attempt. Because no one thinks that anyone who says that Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason and is stealing African resources has not attempted a coup. Of course they tried. With internal and external accomplices. And there are not only coups against the Minister of Defense! Quite possibly Prigozhin and Wagner were so involved with Russia’s foreign policy that it is impossible to close a case of this size in a week!
Turning to Erdogan, after 24 hours we also realized that almost everything he announced has zero value! How to proceed with the Ceareal Agreement without Russia. LMAO. Russia however has already bombed the port of Odessa and ended the agreement for good! And I think Martyanov is right when he points to the grain agreement as the main reason for the Sultan’s “betrayal”! Which is far from being a betrayal that only indicated that the Sultan was very weak. Yes, strong leaders keep agreements! And it is also true that Erdogan was once a stronger leader!
And I speak of Andrei Martyanov because the Syrian theater of operations was also mentioned! Another conflict work in progress for several years and where Erdogan has to accept that Russia is stronger! Like in Ukraine. Even Sweden’s entry into NATO today seems to have been another attempt to take advantage of NATO for the Vilnius. Propaganda! After all the promises of the last summit in Madrid! It seems that Turkey’s “yes” is also dependent on Turkey’s entry into the EU?! LMAO. Which Turkey itself does not want today either. That is, when chickens have teeth, Turkey and Hungary give Sweden the green light. In short, Turkey loses the grain deal and sends 5 bastards to Ukraine! And Erdogan will continue to try to rule Turkey, with less and less force. Internal and external, especially in Sirya! The drone factory is another old joke! And Vilnius is a huge failure, regardless of the propaganda!
Dear Larry,
Sir, Again deep Thanks for your Blog !
This Russian Special Military Operation -with its apparent disorder- is still today, for us, phenomenally incomprehensible.
I spare you the unbearable and boring military-technical descriptions already repeated -ad nauseam- by bloggers and retired soldiers on television channels and social media.
It was emphasized that the Russian civilian population and the Russian military lines of defense would be so terrorized, -by some ferocious attack- that the Russian military and citizens, seized with panic, would overthrow the Kremlin.
Thus, the next stage would’ve been an agreement between top military members opposed to the current government in Moscow.
Now we’ve been witness about a ‘matrioshkas’ exhibit collection,
secret services build within secret services…
The doll that we’ve see here is a huge ‘matrioshka’, inside they are several embedded one in another, a dozen of small precious ‘matrioshkas’, all the same colors and varnishes. But each one of them -from the largest to the smallest- carrying and important different meaning…
An efficient secret service works to solve a unknown equation,
several ‘matrioshkas’ share a secret.
But then what about if there is no secret ?
Well, they build one and transfer the performance from one doll to another, hence still entertaining the audience…
Then, Up on time ‘The Bolshoi Ballet’ perform the most beautiful and moving ‘soirée dance’ – with Anna Karenina always on board of a train – and she would made us cry with emotion from Saint Petersburg to somewhere else…
All the above is part of the Russian culture !
Turkey President Tayyip Erdoğan -for sure- is not a ballet dancer graduate from the Bolshoi Ballet Academy !
In a shocking turn of events, Sky News made a video worth watching. An Irish Rambo ran away from the frontline, because he was almost killed. He got chased by a big T-72. You can’t make this shit up. The only thing missing is someone with the call sign Brave Sir Robin, running away with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J_wBx-FBcc
These scum came to help literal swastika tattooed Hitler saluting Waffen SS pride parading blueyellow ragwagging prisoner-murdering nazis murder Russian speaking civilians, and now when they find out what war is really like they run as fast as they can with their tails between their legs. I find it very funny.
And it’s a good indicator of how the Westernaganda is suddenly changing, all at once, from the nonstop deluge of lies about Ukranazistan’s “inevitable victory”. Even funnier.
Thanks for the link.
SCUM is indeed a perfect choice of word..
I would use the same word to describe the person in Moscow who decided to evacuate Prokopenko (and the other banderites) from a russian jail to Ankara!!!!!
The stinking scum in Moscow is now enabling the Azovites to resume their warcrimes, torture, execution of russian POW and the rest!
OOOPS, I forgot that we are not supposed to talk about that!!! My mistake!
OOOPS, NAFO.
There is a shitbag organization called NATO who have been acting like real nazi collaborators for years.. Washington, the neo-cons, NATO, all the EU leaders agreed to send money and weapons to the Azov Battalion. Warcriminal Zelensky gave a medal of Hero of Ukraine to a stinking neonazi pig named Da Vinci ( this mofo is now dead.. ). I always celebrate the death of anyone who supports the Banderites or NATO warcrimes!!
Now, you know my opinion… Go for it, call me a NATO troll… Genius!
Vovan and Lexus have repeatedly and effortlessly fooled so many Western “leaders” and lesser nazi lovers, like the piece of human garbage Stephen King, that they were Elensky, that it raises questions about the mental capacity of these “leaders”, to say nothing of Stephen King.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-russian-pranksters-posing-zelensky-dupe-kissinger
I posted this here yesterday, it got dumped. ZH got a twitter English link.
The famous pranksters Vovan and Lexus called up Sir Henry Kissinger, posing as Zelensky with questions! Sir Henry has reversed his opinion on Ukraine and NATO over the last year.
https://rutube.ru/video/0daf7989c17fbde5a14dfaa0526111bb/
English with Russian dubbing.
Sir Henry Kissinger, Honorary Knight Commander in the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George (KCMG), said he thought Ukraine blew up NordStream !!!
Has Sir Henry ever heard of Sy Hersh!
Replying to Please censor this ASAP says
You claim free speech as the reason to be allowed to call for Putins removal as a traitor and if anyone challenged you then your free speech is being denied or you are being censored, well that’s just a way of stopping anyone challenging your views. Your view is sending these NAZI commanders to turkey as prisoners was a crime because Putin disrespected all of the people who were killed and their relatives in the Donbas from 2014 to Now. Your claim to free speech gives you the right to say anything you want but it doesn’t mean that my free speech has to be cut because of your claim. A troll is still troll even when he uses free speech as the justification for making these claims and in my opinion which by the way is just as valid as yours you are being devious, even the handle you use is devious challenging people to oppose your views which are the only ones allowed or you are being censored. You don’t know anything about the reasons for the NAZI’s being sent to Turkey no one does with any certainty so your claim that Putin is a traitor is just trolling do you have facts that would stand up in a court of law not one of your corrupt courts as in Ukraine or the west US/UK/EU where Julian Assange is being persecuted or the US where Trump is being politically persecuted to stop him running for president again or where a corrupt International criminal court put out an arrest warrant for Putin on absolutely corrupt trumped up charges by my country the UK
If anyone is guilty for the deaths of the 15,000 or so people who died in Donbas and the 300,000 who have died in the war it is not Putin or those NAZI commanders who were just doing what the US/UK trained them to do kill Russians it is the a$$holes who started this war in 2014 Obama/Biden with their agents Nuland, Mccain, Lady Graham CIA, NED and whoever else was involve from the darkside
Crystal clear!
The troll asked the question “who is responsible..???” and the answer is…. NOBODY!!!
Noone knows why the nazis were sent to Turkey… This actually proves that Putin was not involved. Who gave the troll the right to make an assumption??? This is ILLEGAL and UNACCEPTABLE! Please censor this ASAP should be put in jail!
Who is to be blamed for the transfer of the Azov commanders to ANKARA???
Nuland!!!!! Blinken!!!! Soros!!! Let me add another suspect : Epstein after his suicide!!!!
LOL
Someone will have to explain to the troll (Please censor this ASAP) that the person who is responsible for the mysterious evacuation of the Banderites to Turkey is NOT someone living inside the Russian Federation! Therefore it is NOT someone in Moscow!
As dictated by simple logic!
Who is responsible? I would guess that the grandfather of V. Nuland is a primary suspect.. Or maybe Sam Bankman-Fried?!!! However it will be even easier for anyone to convince me that it was organised by Zelensky’s friend : the guy with the non-existing laptop!!
My only wish is that the Azovites will receive the same punishment as Goering had in 1945… A meaningful historical opportunity has been MISSED!!! How and Why?
By saying that, I am providing evidence that I am a troll..
“Someone will have to explain to the troll (Please censor this ASAP) …”
All those posts are written by the same person, you. You are either the worst troll ever, or you are having a mental breakdown in public. Taking pills, and leaving this site is what a doctor would recommend, probably.
Wrong!!
Who is responsible??? Either Mikhail Tuckachevsky or Trotsky’s daughter Zinaida…
Who is the mastermind behind this complex operation???? Kamala Harris obviously!
Case is closed and trolls should now stop asking such irrelevant questions!
LETS BE SERIOUS!!!!
Who is responsible for the miraculous evacuation to Ankara?
It must absolutely be a low-ranking backbencher in the State Duma or some low-ranking officer from Vladivostok…
Still I would rather guess it is someone living in the Collective West.. Maybe Lee Harvey Oswald?!??
White House greenlights troubled arms deal with Türkiye
The Biden administration has agreed to the sale of F-16 fighter jets after Ankara dropped its opposition to Sweden’s NATO bid
https://swentr.site/news/579572-white-house-approves-f16-sale-to-turkey/
RT .
Turkey got canned with F35’s so they get F16’s instead.
They’ll probably opt for MIG-35s after they see how fast S-400’s take out any F-16s in Ukraine.
Well;
a) Wagner & Prighozin are military intel (GRU) assets.
and
b) Their theatrical “rebellion” was a huge psyops in order to appear to be in disgrace (gone rogue) and distance themselves from the Kremlin & Putin, ……..but why?
Just Plausible Deniability for the Kremlin when the Wagner guys start new covert and/or illegal operations on foreign soil. Some bright “Red Lines” can now be crossed without accountability for Putin…. remember in the West … these guys are seen as a bunch of lawless criminels on the loose.
Always under GRU supervision and as an excellent urban combat unit….I see them showing up in Karkiv or Odessa real soon… and after that who knows?
The Kremlin can always officially declare “We have nothing to do with this”…
You know, just like Washington has nothing to do with the NordStream bombings.
It’s all smoke & mirrors….
Seymour Hersh: I have been told a different, secret story about Erdogan’s turnabout: Biden promised that a much-needed $11-13 billion line of credit would be extended to Turkey by the International Monetary Fund. “Biden had to have a victory and Turkey is in acute financial stress,” an official with direct knowledge of the transaction told me. Turkey lost 100,000 people in the earthquake last February, and has four million buildings to rebuild. “What could be better than Erdogan”—under Biden’s tutelage, the official asked, “finally having seen the light and realizing he is better off with NATO and Western Europe?” Reporters were told, according to the New York Times, that Biden called Erdogan while flying to Europe on Sunday. Biden’s coup, the Times reported, would enable him to say that Putin got “exactly what he did not want: an expanded, more direct NATO alliance.” There was no mention of bribery.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/fear-and-loathing-on-air-force-one?
MirrorGazers says 13 July 2023 at 09:18,
“Enjoy your journey and try to remember that in context cake is likely tastier when you remain alive, and your remaining alive probability decreases when you run away”.
Do I run away? In what way? Where from, whom from? Clarify, please…
In my real life, I try not to run at all except for catching a transport mean that I can not lose, a bus, a flight, otherwise I hate running….
Walking, on the contrary, is my faovurite way of exercising…
As in the past, I have the uncomfortable feeling that you are either menacing me or warning me…I would prefer it is the last option….I saw you talking to another commenter about me referring to explosions….
Why in the Earth anyone would try to kill me, being as I am so insignificant and absolutely without facility, as you usually insinuate?
I am an average citizen who takes care on informing himself, why I would not remain alive?
I am not planning to imolate myself, do not worry, that I have already learnt….anyway I do not live in fear….during the past three years I refused to jump through the hoop as they do the 70%…it was not easy in Europe, as you may know, but then Russia was not either an option…Considered Mexico as a more convenient destination…still here and alive, and well….
On the other hand, I am decreasing the ammount of cake as I age, since not conducive to well being…
Enjoy your journey…
https://youtu.be/MLXL13XvlQ4
Are you a member of the RFSC?
“Do I run away? In what way?”
Evaluation is a function of purpose.
Purpose precludes an “answer” which you may not accept due to lesser experience/facility in evaluation, whilst excercise is a requirement to sustain health irrespective of cake intake.
Enjoy your journey.
“Why in the Earth anyone would try to kill me, being as I am so insignificant and absolutely without facility, as you usually insinuate?”
Certainty is the greatest weakness and hope the second greatest weakness.
Practice is a function of perceived purpose and perceived facility.
Striptease has many presentations.
In the vicinity of striptease spectators tend to “analyse” the attributes of the stripper, whilst practitioners “analyse/analyse” the audience.
When striptease lessens its attractions to spectators and hence its linear facility/utility, another play is often performed facilitating linear opportunities for some “practitioners” who “analyse” the spectators, and simultaneously lateral opportunities for practitioners who analyse the spectators.
It is likely that such a moment in the ongoing lateral process will appear within a not too distant time thereby encouraging a different play, the choice of which being informed by perceived facility and contingent planning undisclosed.
In the event of being anytime cornered, I will always try to reach the sea, where I have the best chance…
https://youtu.be/HpbFkfQ8Z1U
Vuela al viento espuma del mar,
Vuela al viento y vuélvelo a volar.
Mezcla el mundo, ruge mistral,
Mezcla el mundo y mézclanos con él.
Ahórrate esas palabras de amor
Que nadie va a comprender,
Ni tan sólo yo.
Si lo que vas a decir
No es más bello que el silencio,
No lo vayas a decir.
Que hable el mundo y calle el hombre,
Calle el hombre y vuélvase a callar:
Mezcla el mundo, ruge mistral;
Mezcla el mundo y mézclanos con él.
Ruge mistral, vuélvenos locos de atar
Y con tu antiguo furor
Llévate a aquel que ose hablar.
Mientras todos duerman te amaré.
Cuando todos hablen huiré.
Lejos, muy lejos, en silencio.
Lejos, muy lejos, en silencio.
Cuando el bosque te hable te hablaré;
Cuando el mar te tenga te tendré.
Murmullo de una oración
Minúscula y dulce;
Murmullo de tu respiración
Al despertar.
Ruge mistral, medio dios;
Llévate el mundo de aquí,
Peina la espuma del mar
Y llévanos muy lejos, muy lejos …..
“In the event of being anytime cornered, I will always try to reach the sea, where I have the best chance…”
Quite so, but on land when you arrive somewhere always first establish various ways of leaving since Valparaiso and other places are restricted, and try not to swim in a Northerly direction.
Thank you for the transcendence of un pueblo unido and the meek will inheret the earthness.
“Thank you for the transcendence of un pueblo unido and the meek will inheret the earthness”.
“Pueblo unido” revealed as a very mean mass, willingly adopting the balcony gestapo role and helping hospital janitors bully those who deared to enter without European Comission instituted “Shame Pass”….( did you know that some janitors tried to inmovilize, USA police style, mothers who had their children in hospital care?…I refused to go through that and slided into to take care of my older brother avoiding such mass linching at the entrance door….
“Pueblo Unido” led to its self-destruction during the past three years… which quite helped the trascendence of it and so called “the left” which lacked time, once in power, to exert a harsh sanitary dictatorship on those willing to remain sovereign in their body frontiers, and to sell the country and its people to the best postor….an ongoing process …..
They will inherit nothing except a crippled health and quite some incapacities, plus a ruined country and future….
Anyway there is movement… and change always come from a willing 30%….
P.S: I am not in Mexico yet, really, but looked out that possibility….and keep it as a first option…
“the left”
Left and right are within linear spectra partly to facilitate “revolutions around fixed points not requiring contact” with the complicity/participation of useful fools: one example being the Zubatovschina based upon if only-the-papa-czar-knewness not restricted to January 1905 or September 1973.
“and to sell the country and its people to the best postor….an ongoing process ……” which did not lack time, but you had an illusion of expected time which was not achieved which you interpreted as “which lacked time”, like useful fools who believe they can lecture the Security Council of The Russian Federation since they are fighting the war wrongly.
“Anyway there is movement… and change always come from a willing 30%….”
“Movements” is another description of dances, “and change always come from a willing 30% (un pueblo unido)?”
No.
Lateral change is a constant within which the variables include but are not limited to trajectories and velocities, which by being perceived in some degree can be encouraged with the complicity/participation of opponents not restricted to dominoes (chequers) in facilitation in some degree of transcendence.
““Pueblo Unido” led to its self-destruction during the past three years… which quite helped the trascendence of it”
No.
More likely “helped the mutation of it.” given possible future trajectories in possible facilitation of subsequent “the meek will inheret the earth” , some graves being marked and some graves being left unmarked given possible future trajectories, encouraging the precautionary principle to the wise with limited facilities; those attempting to become los caballeros de la Rosa likely becoming “blowback” as illustrated presently in Ukraine, whilst their children moan in their sleep, presenting daily bed-wetting and other symptoms.
Tourists in war zones tend not to enjoy continued well-being or well, being: a component of why hope is the second greatest weakness.
May be of interest….
«Marxismo cultural» y Escuela de Fráncfort
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW7nBS-3wCg
“More likely “helped the mutation of it.” given possible future trajectories in possible facilitation of subsequent “the meek will inheret the earth” , some graves being marked and some graves being left unmarked given possible future trajectories, encouraging the precautionary principle to the wise with limited facilities; those attempting to become los caballeros de la Rosa likely becoming “blowback” as illustrated presently in Ukraine, whilst their children moan in their sleep, presenting daily bed-wetting and other symptoms.”
In the vicinity of striptease spectators analyse the attributes of the stripper, whilst the wise analyse the audience.
Part, not all, of the context.
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/07/13/bidens-corruption-led-to-ukraines-destruction-fmr-kiev-diplomat/
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/07/07/caitlin-johnstone-return-of-a-disgraced-neocon/ not restricted to former areas of interest.
“Part, not all, of the context.”
and part one of another part of the context is:
https://www.informationclearinghouse.info/57672.htm