I will apologize up front that I made the mistake of wearing ear buds and did not have time to clear the cache. That means you will see the uneven video, including an occasional freeze and garbled voice. My fault. But I have now fixed the problem. I finally have a new fiber optic internet and can connect the CAT5e Ethernet cable direct to my computer. Going forward I should have 500 mbps up and down. I want to thank all of you who have been so kind to offer advice and guidance on this issue. Good to know that my readers are smarter than me. Sets a high bar and motivates me to try to excel.
Now, here comes da Judge:
I have one more video that is gripping and horrific. My wife emphasized that I must warn you that it is GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING. Not recommended if you are younger than 18. I am not posting this to glorify the violence or pander to those enthralled with military porn. This video will educate you on what it means for an armored column to drive into a minefield and how a few casualties can disable a thirty man platoon.
Regardless of your feelings about who should win the war in Ukraine, this video is heartbreaking and shows both the desperation and courage of men trapped in a field laced with anti-tank and anti-personnel mines. The soldiers who are not wounded do not abandon their buddies. They risk their lives and limbs, literally, to save the wounded. But this video also makes it clear, notwithstanding the bravery of the Ukrainian soldiers, why Ukraine is having so much difficulty penetrating the Russian defenses.
You will observe that these beleaguered souls have been well-trained in one skill — how to self-apply a tourniquet to save their own life in combat. Again, WARNING, this is GRAPHIC and DISTURBING.
Heartbreaking and angering video. All this life is wasted so joe biden and his cronies can keep the dirty money flowing.
Anybody remember Nuland’s ‘our guy’ Yats?
Looks like he’s having some regrets: https://www.bitchute.com/video/8YRQXb0TRlBF/
Day late & a dollar short, chump.
BTW: How’s that chicken wire border fence coming along?
The little kapo was literally giving the Hitler salute standing next to open nazi and Svoboda party boss Oleg Tyagnybok in Kiev in 2014.
Too late now. If you dance with the devil, you don’t stop until he says stop.
Fish swim,
Birds fly,
Jews lie!
I have known many Jews and none of them ever lied to me!
Antisemitism is a disease! There are plenty of non Jewish liars The Clinton’s, Barack Obama, The Bush Family, Bill Gates, Joe Biden…
Amen!
So that Victoria Newland can get revenge for what Tsarist Russia did to her grand and great grand parents in late 19th Century Odessa/Ruthenia, too.
It’s certainly a good thing that the banderites saved what remained of them. Latest Ukrainian grade school primer I believe describes babi yar as a rest and relaxation spa administered by the OUN.
Or more appropriately: what her kin did to Tzarist Russia.
If I had one wish in this world: I`d love to see a video of them all transplanted to this minefield. All of them.
Plenty of Jewish owned/run factories churning out goods in Tsarist Russia that lost it all to the Bolsheviks too, so it’s not an all or nothing issue. I’ve met a few of their descendants there.
Your mouth to God’s ear. I made myself watch it all the way through, bearing witness to what my government is doing.
So much for women being natural-born caring peacemakers who were going to save the world from itself if only given a chance. Dick Cheney is a blushing bride next to that vile steaming pile of warmongering horse manure topped up with a tub of lard she calls her face.
You are too kind
Newland – Nuland = Nudelmann
Don’t forget “10-percent for the Big Guy.” Or. If you’re just a lowly American, or Ukrainian, or Russian grunt — an arm and a leg.
If these insane neocons keep this mess up someday soon, we will hear about Washington, DC having been nuked.
How will we know? Not while reading a newspaper. Nobody reads anymore. Save the trees and all that woke stuff. A dumbed down people don’t read anyway.
How will we know? Not by turning on the boob tube. A fully addicted pubic never turns their TVs off. Just ask a large portion of our elderly population that keeps a TV in their bedrooms and cannot go to bed unless the TV is ‘On’.
Same thing with all these smartphones. “We interrupt your fugue state to bring you the following propaganda.”
Not because our fully owned, fully controlled, fully manipulated “Famously Free Press” will never report on Washington, DC (formerly known as the nation’s capital), having been nuked. Or. “Their” country having even suffered a defeat of any kind.
Some morning we will wake up and notice something has changed: peace and quiet suddenly and swiftly having been miraculously returned to the planet.
That’s what 10-percent really looks like. Five (5) 25-megaton nukes (each) dropped (one each) on the Pentagon, the FBI, the CIA, the U.S. Capitol Building (formerly known as the “People’s House”), and the White House.
At the time of 10% for the Big Guy, dopey Joe was second banana, Obama was the Big Guy. Where’d he get all the bread for that fancy pad by the sea?
A really poignant video of the cannon fodder doing what cannon fodder do. I am impressed by the courage of these guys going back for their mates. What a shit of a situation to find yourself in.
I concur with the opinions expressed about sending our political leaders for an APC ride in a minefield – a sort of fact-finding tour.
Selected comments:
This is unbelievably heartbreaking.
I couldn’t contain my tears. Doesn’t matter if they are Ukrainians.
First of all, they are humans. Someone’s Sons, husband or parents.
Just imagine the physical pain and psychological trauma these men are going thru.
These soldiers clearly knew that this was a suicidal charge against a heavily mined Russian defense line.
The first rule in war is: do not go into a minefield.
The Ukrainian Soldiers are on drugs to dull their fear. They only move forward because they know that if they retreat they will be killed by the NAZI battalions following behind them.
Many Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine are dragged from streets and sent straight to the front.
Interviews with Ukrainian POWs
1] Kidnaped as new recruits off the street.
2] NATO Charged an exorbitant amount of money for their training course.
3] Given a minimum of training, shooting practice and first aid training off a Youtube video.
4] Get recruits hooked on speed and narcotics.
5] Bring in a shrink to create hatred against Russians.
6] Send them to Ukraine with faulty weapons and minimum amount of food and water.
7] Officers Stop paying salary to soldiers after 2 months and pocket the rest.
8] Send them to the front and threaten by AZOV NAZIs to be shoot if they retreat
9] Rinse and repeat with new recruits.
10] 350.000 Ukrainian soldiers from have died so far.
I wonder if the poor bastard who got his leg blown of, ever thought about the millions of petal mines his comrades showered on the Civilians in Donetsk for 9 years, where kids got crippled or killed every day.
There are hard core NAZIs, mercenaries, psychopaths, military adventurers in the mix.
The Ukrainian soldiers know their leadership is swastika waving Nazis.
Never the less they stood by when civilians were bombarded in the Donbas.
Since 2014 I have seen civilians in the Donbass torn apart by rockets and shells, incl. Women and children.
I have seen much worse videos of Ukrainians torturing Russian POWs
I have seen Ukrainian Nazis filming the torture and murder of prisoners of war. Like ramming a sharp field spade into the back of a captured militia man and taunting him while he crawled groaning to his death.
I have seen how they slowly cut the throat of a police officer and forced his wife to watch.
I have seen how they hung a ethnic Russian civilian, from a tree while forcing his 8 month pregnant wife to watch. Then the Nazis hanged her next to her husband.
I have seen how they castrated a prisoner of war with a box cutter.
I have seen how they nailed a captured militiaman to a cross and then burned him alive.
I have seen so many NAZI salutes and swastikas that I stopped counting.
How can such horror repeat in the 21st century?
The Western leader knew from the start that Ukraine could not win a war against Russia.
The responsibility of this horror lies fully on western politicians for provoking this war against Russia.
The blame also lies to the western population for accepting the support for Ukrainian Bandera NAZIs.
If the US and NATO never gave weapons to Kiev this war would be over long ago.
Zelensky’s clapping seals in Washington who voted to finance this slaughter should all be forced to watch what they have caused, in order to make them respect human life.
Biden, Stoltenberg, Von der Layen, Schulz, Macron, Bojo and Zelensky should all face war crime tribunals.
Western politicians and media drivel about democracy, freedom, and human rights are pure hypocrisy.
My comment:
WWII NAZI horror is once again practiced in Europe by the 4th Reich (US, UK, EU).
“My comment:
WWII NAZI horror is once again practiced in Europe by the 4th Reich (US, UK, EU).”
I guess you have slept over Yugoslav wars. All of this already happened there. NATO 4th Reich, Nazis, horors, minefields, criminals having private armies, and even armies “protesting”. The difference is that there were no drones and smartphones to film it, no Internet to share it, and no Putin to put an end to it.
With Shame, I must admit that I and entire Western population were full at sleep during the wars in former Yugoslavia, and we first started waking up when the twin towers and Building 7 Crashed to ground, at free fall speed on 9/11 2001.
However Today lots of people in the west are awake.
The hateful and pathological depravity you describe was carefully nurtured by our own filthy office holders and their filthy EU allies, all funded with our abused taxes.
Now we can all see where it has brought us and still it is not enough.
It would not be a surprise if our filthy military « leadership « and filthy political « leadership « have developed a filthy taste for such iniquitous footage.
Cowards all of them, especially those who dare call themselves America’s defenders.
They blood of these men is on their filthy hands.
Ask Yatsenyuk. Apparently he’s had some of the same regrets.
Why should I cry for these Nazi buttheads? The AFU has shelled civilians for 9 years killing 10s of thousands. Frankly, ending this war ends requires that these terrorist creeps die in the thousands. That way these Nazi extremists won’t commit any mass killings here. Just as Washington says, “It’s better they die in Ukraine, so they won’t kill any more people.”
Larry,
I couldn’t contain my tears. Doesn’t matter if they are Ukrainians. First of all, they are humans. Someone’s parents, someone’s sons, someone’s husband.
I don’t even want to imagine the families of these poor men watching this.
This scenes resume the human tragedy we’re living nowadays.
Ok, I guess I need to go to confession this weekend. I was hoping for a
betterdifferent ending, like one where they’d all be annihilated in the end.And still, they run around with weapons in order to do someones dirty work. Everything has consequences.
Those aren’t some conscripts, but the elite 47th Mechanized Brigade. The cream of the crop of NATO Banderistan. These are the ubermensch, not regular humans. I have seen many videos of what elite Ukro units do to prisoners and civillians. This video shows some of them getting a taste of their own medicine, just a little bit, just for a little while. Will they see the light and sue for peace, or want to kill even more Russians?
Amen.
I watched the battlefield video and I despise our leaders even more for throwing away the lives of Ukrainian soldiers in this way. Gen. Cavoli knows about the scale of the violence. A few months ago he remarked that NATO is not prepared to fight this kind of war doctrinally, operationally, or in any way whatsoever. I think he and NATO brass know the kind of tactics and weapons Russia is using and the carnage Ukrainian soldiers are experiencing. The best we can do to make sense of the Prigozhin madness is to apply Occam’s Razor and eliminating the impossible based on the limited facts we do know. I totally agree with you about Prigozhin being a double agent. He would simply be dead now if he were not cooperating with Russian military intelligence. I think the West truly believes Prigozhin is more than he is, just a recruiter and when you suffer setback after setback, you will want to believe this mutiny had a real chance the same way dehydrated and delirious people on a raft for days start swimming towards a mirage island that is not there. Another interesting fact is the German meeting in Copenhagen to come up with a peace scheme shortly after Prigozhins mutiny failed. I don’t think the timing is a coincidence. This was a hail mary for the Germans and now them and a handful of EU 27 members don’t see any way out except a negotiated settlement with Russia. Blinken’s presser was comical. The notion that Russia is isolated can only be plausible if you ignore the historic agreements with China and the SPIEF 2023. The Russian economy is expanding while Western economists and The Economist magazine claimed this was impossible.
It appears to be even WORSE and more CYNICAL than that.
Remember General Milley: “With the efforts of many countries worldwide, over 6,000 Ukrainians are being trained right now in 40 different places under 65 training programs in 33 countries of the world on three continents,” Milley reported.
From Simplicius’ BitChute Channel:
Interviews with New AFU POWs
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LcndjTOpdxuG/
1] Kidnap new recruits off the street.
2] Charge an exorbitant amount of money for a NATO training course.
3] Deliver the minimum amount of training possible to maximize profits. Minimum shooting practice and first aid off a Youtube video.
4] Get recruits hooked on speed and narcotics.
5] Bring in a psychologist to create hatred of Russians.
6] Send them back to Ukraine and provide them with faulty weapons and minimum amount of food and water.
7] Stop paying salary after 2 months and pocket the rest.
8] Send them to front and threaten to shoot them if they run away.
9] Rinse and repeat with new call ups.
The whole thing is a SCAM / RACKET. It is a moneymaking machine. But would you expect anything else from “10% for Big Guy”?
I wonder if they all know this is going on and are milking it for the money or do they really think they can prosecute and win a war like this? Have their cake and eat it to?
Everyone is on the take, from the POTUS to lowest front line Ukrainian officer.
I think they’ve realised quite a while ago that Ukraine can’t win a war against Russia for the simple reason that Russia chose a strategy that didn’t fit their plans. They planned on ambushing the Russians, not the other way round and they never had a plan B. So they thought first, OK, we can’t win but let’s have as many Russians killed as we can. Now it’s to hell with it, never mind who dies, the more dead, the more profit and if we can’t win the war, let’s win dividends on our stocks.
NATO could always repeat Clinton’s ’99 success at avoiding puss & boots casualties on the ground by dropping bombs on civilian targets from 20,000 ft. until Russia cried uncle.
Oh, I forgot.
Absolutely awful provocations to ignite this war, but the warmongers never factored in the possibility of it being prolonged to this point so instead of working on a settlement or at least a ceasefire they are pushing attrition regardless of carnage.
Absolutely vile.
First there was the KLA, then…….
Austin trains/arms thousands of ‘moderate Syrian rebels’ and all but a dozen that survive join torture-happy, ethnic-cleansing ISIS terrorists.
Miley trains/arms thousands of ‘democracy-loving’ Ukrainians and those that survive join torture-happy, ethnic-cleansing neo-nazi terrorists.
It’s an old and worn out story.
The horror happening to these young men, will be happening to farmers and cattle for decades. Just when climate heating is going to cut global food supplies, we are destroying some of the world’s very best farmlands.
“climate heating” LOL, wake up!
The mines will be cleared away.
These poor soldiers – To think they’re fighting for nothing at all…
You should google about mines being cleared away from some other wars, that happened in previous century. Spoiler, they are not.
These aren’t some poor soldiers, but the elite forces of 47th Mechanized Brigade, and they know very well what they are fighting for, or at least they think they do. Slava Cocaini.
They’re fighting to validate western delusional thinking. It’s a tough job but somebody has to do it.
They need to start fragging their commanders. They are marked as disposable anyway, they may as well take a few Western pimps with them.
Well, there is a supposed video of commander fragging soldiers that did not want to go on a postion to die, filmed by the commander himself.
And why was such a video allowed to be posted? Simple, because the Ukrainians are still compliant sheep and such tactics will scare them into compliance, rather than inspire them to revolt – or such is the thinking in Ukraine’s high command. Very Stalinist or Hitlerian, to be sure.
Apparently the Russian Military have a truck mounted mine laying system that can sow mine fields in real time in exactly in front of approaching forces up from 10 klms away. If they wish they can lay more in real time to their flanks or rear as they chose.
Check it out, Andrei talked about it recently on his blog.
Unlike traditional mines they can apparently also be set to deactivate themselves by a timing device after a preprogrammed time period rendering them inactive.
With this kind of capability one also assumes that they can also be deactivated on command once required.
Another example of Russian military technology that demonstrates just how much ahead of the curve they’ve been in developing novel weapons systems.
Unlike mine fields of the past these only last at Russia’s leisure.
Yep.
But they all think its a big conspiracy. Few of them understand the first thing about thermodynamics, however it has been my life’s work as a power plant engineer in a fossil fuel power station.
The physics is quite simple, the equations that model the atmosphere have been used for over a hundred years to design boilers and heat engines, but when the are applied to the earth somehow the same science that has powered our civilisation are all wrong.
But it’s too late now to fix the problem. If we gave up fossil fuels tomorrow it would be too late to stop climate change and people would starve to death, because all our food relies on fossil fuels for fertilisers, transport, packaging, refrigeration and ultimately cooking.
I gave up worrying about it ten years ago. I went through Kubler Ross’s stages of grief and I have now reached the acceptance stage
Nothing lasts forever so why worry as nothing can be done. Anyone who tells you it can is a fool.
I had already seen the video. It is undoubtedly the most horrible video of this conflict that should lead everyone to question how is this horror possible in Europe in the 21st century? I answer, it’s a proxy war where whoever pays doesn’t suffer the horrors of the conflict!
Video that denotes a lot of disorientation of the Ukrainian troops but it’s probably just the war. Because notice how the last soldier to lose his leg still has the dexterity to do the garrote and try to drag himself to the armored car! And proof that it is totally impossible to break through Russia’s defense lines in Ukraine today! With or without armour, western or eastern, because sooner or later the soldiers find themselves alone in the face of the hell of minefields, artillery shells and aerial bombardments. When they try to move forward and when they try to retreat!
A Ukrainian force that even in the first phase against the Russian expeditionary force, showed no capacity to overcome a well-implemented Russian defense line. Like the friction it also suffered at the end of 2022 in southern Kherson. Today the challenge is certainly 100 times greater! That is, totally impossible to overcome by any army on earth. For the US experts who continue to criticize the Ukrainian forces. I’d like to know when US forces have faced a challenge of the same magnitude. I answer, never! And today the only solution for the Ukrainian forces to stop the hell they try to get through, without any success every day, is to negotiate. When the owners of the conflict in the West allow it.
I have seen much worse videos of Ukrainians torturing Russian Pows
Some are so horrible that it’s extremely difficult to watch
This video here is nothing compared to that and I feel no pitty for them at all
Sorry to say that I’m partially in agreement with Mike. Yes, it’s unfortunate that many genuinely innocent Ukrainian regular civilians are being dragged out from streets and end up at the front as meat fodder. But also many of these are hard core ideologues, mercenaries, psychopaths, military adventurers, and the like.
So I pity the innocent civilians, not the latter.
I am also with Mike and Blue Thunder.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think this man has a blue ribbon on each arm.
I don’t think regular AFU have this, only mercenaries have them to be identified by the AFU and not be shot by their own side.
If so then this man was out there to kill Russians who are defending their own people from the NATO scum who support the murderous regime in Kiev.
If the US and their NATO puppets never gave weapons to Kiev and people like UK Johnson never flew to Kiev to scupper any peace deal then this war would be over now.
Oh, we couldn’t have that. The Russians would have already overrun Paris and London and been landing on America’s shores already.
Conscripts don’t get top of the line NATO stuff. This is 47th Mechanized Brigade.
+1. They deserve none. For what they have done and what they want to do, but can’t.
Congratulations to the four! All of you are the living proof that US propaganda works and that after 15 months of war you still haven’t realized the conflict provoked by the US and think that this war is in Russia’s interest! Did you ever see Russia interested in this war on its border? No! And today, if Russia managed to remove the Ukrainian nationalists from power and guarantee the neutrality of Ukraine and the lifting of US missiles deployed in the PL and RO, Russia would end this proxy war! That also has high costs for Russia. You even talk about horrible videos with Russian troops! Russia is in Ukraine looking for a new European security architecture to ensure Russia’s security. Which was entirely possible without war, of course. Just as the Ukrainian nationalists before Euromaidan were never more than a residual force. The majority of the Ukrainian population never hated Russia. The majority of the Ukrainian population has always spoken Russian!
Once and for all, this war was provoked by the US to overthrow Putin and go back to steal Russia’s resources – and reach China in Eurasia through Russia – and to disconnect the EU from Russia. EU that only supports the US because since the crash of 2008 it has not had the economic strength to oppose the US! The EU economy before the 2008 crash was worth more than the US economy!
Finally, we also have to consider Russia’s gains in this war. Like very likely the fall of the power of influence of the US Plutocracy and above all of the US dollar in the global economy. That most likely this badly designed conflict by Washington accelerated a decade or two! But Russia would never start a kinetic war to bring down the US dollar! No need! Especially because an economic NWO cannot be implemented overnight. Even today the global South is strengthening its institutions in the SCO and BRICS to this end. This war benefits no one. Like all wars, as a rule. They only drag destruction to all contenders. Or do you think that oil from Iraq paid for all the losses that the US incurred in Iraq? As today they are also more visible in the Middle East? Before Euromaidan, Russia had an normal relationship with Ukraine. Sometimes more closer to the Govt, sometimes further away. But Ukraine’s own economy, full of corruption, was reaching a stage where only Russia could help Ukraine! That’s why the CIA organized Euromaidan. Because Yanukovich realized that the IMF would never be a solution for Ukraine.
And I’m not even going to talk about the lack of humanity of those who want the continuation of a war. Treat that hate with a doctor.
I have written similar comment before seeing this one. This unit is one of the “elite” ones. What those “elite” units do to POWs and civillians make this video look like a walk in the park.
Your nick name reminds one of the few American Plutocracy lobbies that win with this war! The MIC lobby, which today commands all US foreign policy! And those horror episodes that you remember only serve to torment the spirit of those who lived through them! Russia and the Russians gain as much from killing many Ukrainians as the US and the Americans! They earn zero! Russia will not change continents at the end of the war! Its no coincidence that Russia is on the defensive both conjuncturally and structurally. From the AFU Offensive and the NATO Threat! War must end watching the security of all European countries! Like Russia that seeks Ukraine’s neutrality since the beginning of the SMO! Which the US and NATO violated in 2014!
I wrote a comment about Prigozhin being warlord, so I typed that as username. Being from Yugoslavia, this is not my first rodeo. This is the same war. There was never a chance of Ukraine’s neutrality. Things will have to get worse before even thinking of getting any better.
You are rigth and I fully agree. And I don’t pretend to know more about your country than you do. It’s the same war of Washinton against Moscow! In your case, Camp Bondsteel is proof of that. That’s why this proxy war in the UA is as much about all Ukrainians as your wars were about all Yugoslavs! The secession wars. The US manipulates and inflames minorities and destroys countries in the interest of the US! Around the world. Minorities ethnic, religious, even puppet states like Croatia. Most of Ukraine never wanted this war before 2014 either. Neither enter into NATO. Let alone Russia!
Ukraine was neutral for 30 years and no coup, it would neutral today. Like Yugoslavia without US interference would still Yugoslavia today! Who should have been arrested in The Hague was the president of the US! Yugoslavia was not the USSR, which I honestly don’t think it would possible to keep in the 21st century. Not even Russia gained from maintaining the USSR. The problem with the disintegration of the USSR from Moscow’s point of view is the mistreatment of Russians who have come to live outside Moscow’s sphere. As in the Baltic countries! Belgrade would not have the same big problem without US interference and Serb supremacy was an invention by Washington to disintegrate Yugoslavia. Like the false flags on Kosovo! For Clinton/Holbrooke to prove that the US continued to control Europe after Bush’s Gulf War and the disintegration of the USSR. And don’t you think it would be possible to keep Yugoslavia without US interference?
All the shit in last 50+ years is caused directly and intentionally by USA. It used to be hard to see back in the day, but now it’s out in the open, and some still don’t see.
To warlord: Being from Yugoslavia, this is not my first rodeo. This is the same war.
Indeed it is but with a twist. This war would be the equivalent of the US/EU pouring money, training and heavy arms not into the hands of Thaqi the Snake and his KLA but into the hands of Arkan’s Tigers, pointing them toward Pristina and telling them ‘Serbia’s liberation is in your hands. Go get ’em, Tigers’.
But being the hypocrites that we westerners are, you’ll never read that in the MSM.
Here is an example of the latter, trying to be smart. I knew someone will show up.
Larry as always is measured when talking facts and speculating which shows his real background knowledge. I’m always amazed how people with little experience are so sure of their beliefs. My bet is Larry is 90-95% correct 🤔
I was surprised that in a couple of cases they tried stepping into craters where a mine had already gone off, but there was still an active mine left in the crater and they got blown up anyway. How does a mine not go off when another right near to it goes off?
What a waste of some very tough, brave guys; it’s astonishing that someone can get their leg blown off and immediately start methodically applying a tourniquet as if they were putting it on someone else.
Brave? They are forced forward at gunpoint and given drugs to enhance “courage”. They move forward only because they know to retreat they will be shot by their own.
Send them all to Hell and let God sort them out (dunno who’s quote that is).
Cistercian abbot Arnoud Amalric, a leader of the Crusade against the Albigensians, is reported to have said – “Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius” – “Slay them all, God will recognize his own.”
I looked for Innocent the Third on Wikipedia.
This unit is one of the brave ones. They took a break from shooting their own in the back, in order to show them how it’s done. Some of those footlose guys will surely get back to business of encouraging others in the back.
Footloose LOL, no dancing for them anymore.
you put another APM in the hole is how
Não deixam os companheiros porque não podem fugir. Tem minas por todos os lados. E tem mais, se são nazistas tem mais é que morrer mesmo. NAZISTAS são como metástases.
This is unbeliveably heatbreaking. Just imagine what these troops are going thru to just survive and help their buddies!
This should be shown to the blood soaked sullivan, nuland and useful idiot blinky every day until they show some aspect of hunanity with a soul and a heart.
Of course that will never happen because these psychopaths do not have any aspect of hunanity nor do they possess a soul and a heart.
No, those people deserve a tyre + diesel fuel necklace. They are not human, just psychopathic scum.
Hear, hear! And throw Ursula Vandercrazy, Boris Johnson, Analena Baerbock, and several other European warmongers into the mix. Tie them all to chairs, put giant projection screens all around them, loop a recording saying “YOU did this!” at ear-shattering volume, and force them to watch this video till their brains pop.
Sounds like a scene from Clockwork Orange.
The entire AFU is a scene from Clockwork Orange.
The interview with the judge pulls a lot together and offers a clearer perspective!
This is new – according to an RT summary of VVP’s public statements on the Prigizhin Putsch:
https://www.rt.com/russia/578800-wagner-mutiny-putin-statements/
“4. Military pilots killed during insurrection
While Prigozhin’s mutiny did not escalate into widespread bloodshed, his troops did kill several Russian military pilots.
They died “confronting the mutineers,” Putin said on Tuesday.
“They didn’t falter and carried out their orders and military duty with honor,” the Russian president declared as he announced a minute of silence to commemorate the fallen officers.”
This is the first official mention of the loss of RF military during the activity. Stll have not seen real comfirming video. Maybe others have and would post.
Certainly, in such situations fire can be hastily originated or ordered, so it is very possible. While long distance ISR and drones most certainly were monitoring the convoys, still possible that some air assets were also monitoring. No reason for them to be in range of available anti-air defenses. Seems to be an unexcusable mistake, but in the heat of the moment, possible. Still odd there is no confirming video.
Of course, a missed single, or volley, of anti-air missles can be used as a cover for a traitor being removed. Just like training accidents and the like. Or not.
Certainly more to come as this plays out.
I don’t know if this is correct or not so take with a grain of salt. Read somewhere, can’t remember, that a Russian commander launched several helicopters to go after Wagner force’s moving north on highway 4. They began to engage Wagner force’s and they fired back destroying several helicopters. The commander launched the helicopters believing the coup d’etat to be real. But supposedly he didn’t have authority from higher command. This could still be a Russia psyop. Pirg being alive in Belarus is suspicious to say the least.
Elensky thinks it’s totally worth it. Every day Ukrainian conscripts dragged off the streets to be killed or mangled keeps him in power nets him a few million dollars in his overseas bank account.
Biden + Nuland + Blinken + NATO + Macron + Bojo/Sunak/Wallace/Truss + Duda and of course ZELENSKY you are a bunch of war criminals, shame on you, go to hell.
Arseniy Yatsenyuk Has Huge Epiphany About Ukraine – It’s A Genocidal Nazi Regime – Too Late (remember Nuland ”yats is our guy”, f…the EU ?
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/arseniyyatsenyuk-epiphany:9
Hundreds of German Troops and Military Vehicles Arrive in Lithuania for “Training”
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/german-tanks-exercise:1
It shows what not too do when trap in a minefield. The first rule is do not go into a minefield in the first place….
The first rule is to stop throwing UNSC resolutions that you yourself signed on to into the garbage and thinking no one will notice.
Many years ago, a war veteran talked about walking trough the minfiled, and how one should step with toes not heel. We laughed, because one is f**ked regardless. This guy taking a knee to the mine made me remember that coversation. The guy putting rifle on the ground turned out to be smater, but still not as much as those staying in the vehicle.
I thought the first rule was do not march on Moscow.
Second rule; read the first again.
First vid –
“The Eye of Sauron”
– Larry
hehehe I love it.
Second Vid
“Who ordered this obvious torture and murder of their own citizens and where do they and their cohorts in heinous crime live?”
– Me
For War Crimes Tribunals.
They are fighting alongside Nazi’s. They know their leadership is active swastika waving Nazis. They stood by by civilians were bombarded and killed in the Donbas. If you tolerate and fight for evil? You are evil. I’ll burn in hell for fighting for the USA in the Army. I was young. I still need to pay the piper.
“I’ll burn in hell for fighting for the USA in the Army. I was young. I still need to pay the piper.” –
Nope Curt.
Please take no offense here, for you believe in hell so that authorizes me to say the following as a friend of God.
(You believe in hell, therefore you believe in a creator is my assumption here)
Jesus Christ already paid that price.
Our only Job is to repent and believe. And believe is an action word, not just the thoughts in your head. When we recognize we are fighting on the wrong team, our job is to repent and make amends where we can. (no-one except God can unring the bell)
So get off those thoughts that plague us all from time to time and get back in the battle Soldier.
I often fall into these thoughts myself Curt, for I did horrible things in my youth too, and one day you may need to tell me the same when you see me crying real tears for all my past wrongs.
God knows we were all deceived. And he clearly and plainly states this.
So get back in the battle soldier!
Though we be WAY different people Curt, with vastly different upbringings and views, I believe it is important for us old farts to stick together in this time of troubles.
And I fully expect to see you on the other side, yet that is up to you sir. The offer was offered long ago by the only one capable of offering it.
Good deeds conquer all evil. One good deed washes away your sins. One. Today. Another one tomorrow. And so on till your last breath. When the body fails, while ill, the mind can still purify itself.
Heaven and hell, here, now. While in hell redouble your effort, don’t expect results, you’ll see none. When in heaven, think of hell and act accordingly. You haven’t sinned more than the next person, even if you murdered a hundred innocents.
When you understand and feel the pain your victims felt, that’s Peter’s gate right there. It hurts? It’s working. Beautiful suffering, the song of good, those who don’t know they’re suffering have a lot of travelling to do. Ask to suffer, deeply, strive to be friendly to your pain and you’ll be a friend to others. Many vicious murderers died in their beds surrounded by people who loved them for the gifts they received from the one dying. You think they were different to you?
We need people in the world who repent. People who haven’t sinned do not exist, it’s an impossibility. People who sin without knowing it is the norm. Those who sin and fret about it are like lights on a dark night.
Curt,you will not burn in hell!You were brainwashed along with your comrades.You believed in your righteousness.The sins were by your masters.You want to take responsibility for your actions,very noble of you,but you were lied to.Who is the crimminal,the master liar or the puppet.We are all being duped into running into the mine field.
They cheered as unarmed dissenters were burned alive in Odessa and clubbed those who escaped the inferno to death. Hell is too good for them – and their enablers.
maybe there are cockroaches living inside your computer.
Ultimately, blame lies on the politicians of the Western world for provoking this war. Those men are dead because of their greed, their lust for power, and their dishonesty toward the Russians. Blame also lies to the far right in Ukraine for embracing their Bandera ideology.
The Ukrainians clearly didn’t want to launch this assault because they were fully aware of what they were being asked by the West to do, namely launch a suicidal banzai charge against a heavily fortified Russian defensive line.
This war is going to end for 2 reasons at this rate, the depletion of the Ukrainian manpower and from depletion of Western weapons. Ukraine was already facing difficult demographic problems before the war and this only adds to the problem. As for the West, it’s industrial base simply cannot match Russia’s unless the West wants full wartime mobilization.
As far as Nuland and her neoconservative company, they belong in a war crimes trial for what they’ve done.
“As for the West, it’s industrial base simply cannot match Russia’s unless the West wants full wartime mobilization.”
It can’t match Russia’s period, full stop.
Outsourced manufacturing & lost the know how. Locked up the workers & killed the will. Broke the supply chain. Woke math doesn’t add up.
Plus China will not be so foolish as to sell us the rope with which to hang them. Or the rare earth elements needed to make the advanced weapons to attack them.
(forced) conscription: make a calculation how many soldiers from ukraine died so far.
Now count the # of males >=18 years left in the country.
There are still a lot to die if you don’t care for the future.
A normal country with war production/logistics/civilian production would falter but if almost everything (production/logistics) is delivered from the West then you can send and kill almost everybody.
Germany in WWII realized early that most of the production could be done by PoW thus freeing more germans as soldiers.
In the end it was ‘Volkssturm’ (weapons for anybody not suited for army service)
This killing can go on for several years.
Latest Ukrainian edict is for all breathing males to immediately report to their draft offices and not wait for conscription notices or the guys in the unmarked meat trucks.
That country really needs to get split up if they care so little about their own future that they keep pushing for a population collapse to keep foreigners happy.
here are a couple of Twitt links of peeps who have info in their feeds on the strike on the Hotel in Kramatorsk that is being bandied about (for those such as myself who have no telegram access)
These two I have not been monitoring. Might start though.
@Ghostoftushayev
@Wagnersfamily
Got close to a hundred other smo twitter bookmarks from east and west, about 30 of which I keep a fairly close eye on generally speaking. (barring real life getting in the way of this hobby or whatever you want to call it)
Here is a direct link to one of their threads regarding Wagner in Belarus.
https://nitter.net/i/status/1673696001280884737
(just replace nitter.net with twitter.com — I dont give twitter direct cookie access when possible)
Oh yeah, Spetznaz is back for those keeping track 😉
@Alex_Oloyede2
Here is a post from 11 hours ago that might be intriguing to some here.
https://nitter.net/Alex_Oloyede2/status/1673741202112364566#m
If True – This suggests Lukashenko is in on the game indicated by the info put out there mentioned in the above tweets for anyone following various games being put out there.
https://nitter.net/WorldWarNow_/status/1673722470673645568#m
https://nitter.net/WorldWarNow_/status/1673722470673645568
(mobile and desktop) (and again, swap nitter.net for twitter.com if you are so inclined)
[ Lukashenko revealed on Tuesday that he had to urge Putin not to kill Prigozhin
— “I said to Putin: we could waste (Prigozhin), no problem. If not on the first try, then on the second. I told him: don’t do this.” ]
And the pale sun of October whispers the snow will soon be coming
And I wonder when I’ll be home again and the morning answers “Never”
And the evening sighs,
and the steely Russian skies go on forever
https://www.bitchute.com/video/6XcVceILnpWa/
Al Stewart – Roads to Moscow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDy91DCQ8JI
Hi Larry,
I would love to hear your take on Big Serge’s assessment of the recent events in Russia:
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-wagner-uprising
I find his analyses on most things very balanced. His essays on military history are, to a layman like me, masterful.
Kind regards.
I feel sorry for the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian, because brainwashed, lives. I say this honestly. But I have done myself the violence to watch the many videos, how the “freedom fighters” of the West in Syria tortured civilians and soldiers and executed in masses cruelly. I have seen since 2014 until last year how civilians in the Donbass were torn apart by rockets and shells. Women and children among them. I have seen the videos of the Nazis filming themselves torturing and murdering prisoners and civilians. For example, ramming a field spade deep into the back of a captured militiaman and taunting him as he crawled forward groaning and dying. How they slowly cut the throat of a police officer and forced his wife to watch from close range. How they first slowly hung a Russian-born man, a civilian, from a tree branch. Forcing his heavily pregnant wife to watch. She must have been 8 or 9 months pregnant, her belly was so fat. Then the Nazis hanged her next to her husband. How they castrated a prisoner with a box cutter. That was probably the most horrible thing I ever saw. How they nailed a captured militiaman to a cross and then burned him alive. I saw so many Hitler salutes and swastikas that I stopped counting. These were just a few examples.
Today I can’t watch that kind of stuff anymore and I deleted all those channels. I also don’t watch those military porn anymore, if possible.
I am absolutely immune for life to Western propaganda and the mendacious drivel of our politicians and media about democracy, freedom, values, human rights and other lies.
I am “sorry”, but I ……
I don’t elaborate my connecting thoughts now, because there are up to some years in prison for it. Unbelievable that something like this is practiced again in Germany for certain opinions.
Here, here to all you’ve said.
‘man’s blind indifference to his fellow man…’ as The Fureys sang in ‘The Green Fields of France’.
As hard as it is to watch this stuff anymore, having watched my fill over the years becasue I figured I had to know what was going on, I really wish it could be force fed to some of the fools ‘supporting the current thing’ with their piss and tears virtue badges on Twatter or Fakebook; just so they know what it is that they claim they support. Clearly there are not enough people who have understood that the presstitutes in the fake news are purveyors of grade-A, prime cut, bovine excrement; as the late, great George Carlin described back in the day
“…bullshit is everywhere”, but as either Larry or Andrey Martinyev have said, too many people in the west gratefully gobble up the bullshit that’s served up to them and then come back looking for seconds.
Did you hear that Nuland is getting promoted to the full degree of her incompetence? I hope she burns in hell for eternity for what she did to Ukraine.
I wonder if the poor bastard who got his leg blown to bits, ever thought for a minute, of the millions of petal mines his comrades showered the City of Donetsk, upon civilians for now going 9 years, where little kids going to play, got themselves crippled, blinded and killed every day as a result…
“What a man sows, that he shall also reap”. The Bible
I pity the fools. Those guys have deliberately chosen this path. Make no mistake. They would have killed civilians, women, kids if they had had the opportunity
I’m still surprised that anti-personnel mines are made illegal to use. They are horrifying during the war but do even more damage after the war. How many innocent people and children will loose their leg long after the war?
The best is yet to come. Congress is pushing for supplying cluster munitions en masse to Ukraine. Russia also has them in abundance and will up the ante in kind. Ukraine’s soon to become a no man’s wasteland land. Nuland and company will have much to celebrate.
Larry,
When I watched the drone footage of the Bradley Pl viewed from the drone above the other day elsewhere I remarked to myself:
1. A total lack of individual & collective training, individual & collective Situational Awareness.
So much for the greatly advertised NATO Training.
2. I remembered your very recent analogy concerning the training, equipping & deployment into battle of the Ukrainian Army v3.0:
“Apart from being outnumbered and growing deficits in tank and artillery, the biggest obstacle Ukraine faces is the fact that the foreign trained brigades being tossed into this maelstrom have not been trained to carry out a coordinated attack. Let me put it in simpler terms. Image 9 College marching bands from 9 different countries speaking 9 different languages arriving at the NFL Super Bowl and being asked to perform a half-time show. While each band may be proficient in playing their own music and performing routines unique to their University they have not had time to practice playing the same piece of music nor have they spent time choreographing a joint performance. That is a recipe for chaos and that appears to be what is unfolding in Ukraine.”
Even this comment was I feel wishful thinking.
From a greying retired E-8 NATO Door Kicker who is disgusted to the core with what the “Empire” & its lackeys are doing.
Per Terram
Ukrainian POWs are pretty much saying their NATO training was shit-to-inadequate. They are being trained as suicide drones.
If Hunter Biden hasn’t got the minefield video on his laptop he can download the one above from Larry.
My abiding images of land mines was as per WW2 movies, i.e., dig hole, place mine. Followed by soldier prodding earth with bayonet to find mines.
Only within the last month did I discover the term “Family Of Scatterable Mines” I’m guessing it came from the same ‘management speak’ team who came up with the jolly phrase “Collateral Damage”
“Several landmine delivery methods have been documented since February 2022: hand-emplaced, mechanically laid, scattered by truck-mounted projectors, and remotely delivered by rockets.”…_
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/06/13/landmine-use-ukraine
Thanks for the warning, Larry. Couldn’t bring myself to watch the carnage. But I do wish that Zelensky’s mindless clapping seals — the contemptible Washington D.C. fools who voted to build and finance the Ukrainian slaughterhouse — were all forced to watch but one small example of what they themselves have created. Liberalism is truly the ideology of the insane; it is also the religion of the damned.
English translation of Lukashenko’s account of how the Prigozhin Putch was put down without a battle…
https://president.gov.by/ru/events/vruchenie-pogon-vy..
“…
After the ceremony of issuing shoulder boards to senior officers, President of Belarus Aleksandr Lukashenko revealed the details of negotiations held on June 24, against the backdrop of an attempted armed mutiny by the Wagner PMC, and also shared the motives for his actions and his stance.
…
On receiving alarming news
…
“However, by Saturday morning, 8:00, I was already receiving alarming information about the situation in Russia. I have someone tracking these Telegram channels, messengers… Through the FSB and our State Security Committee, General Tertel, they reported to me: President Putin wants to talk. Sure. At 9:30 we agreed that we would talk at any time convenient for him. When he spoke [to the public — S] at 10:00, he called at 10:10 and informed me in the most detailed way about the situation that was happening in Russia.”
“I asked several questions, including about how to counter this, and I realized that the situation was complicated. I won’t provide more details about this part of the conversation.”
On advising Putin not to rush it with a cruel decision
“The most dangerous thing, as I understood it, was not the situation itself, but how it could develop and its consequences. That was the most dangerous thing. I also understood that a cruel decision had been taken—it was present as subtext in Putin’s speech—to smash it [the mutiny — S]. I suggested to Putin not to hurry. Let’s talk with Prigozhin, I said, with his commanders. To which he told me: ‘Listen, Sasha [Aleksandr — S], it’s useless. He won’t even pick up the phone, he doesn’t want to talk to anyone.’ ”
How they managed to contact Prigozhin
“I asked: ‘Where is he?’ ‘In Rostov.’ I said: ‘Good. A bad peace is better than any war. Do not rush it. I will try to contact him.’ He once again said: ‘It’s useless.’ I said: ‘Okay, wait.’ We’ve been talking for about half an hour. Then he informed me about the situation at the front. I remember his words: ‘You know, at the front, oddly enough, it’s better than it ever was.’ I said: ‘See, not everything is so sad.’ At 11 o’clock… I also had to get those phone numbers… I said: ‘How do I contact him? Give me the phone number.’ He said: ‘Most likely, the FSB has the number.’ We asked for it. By the middle of the day, we set up as many as three channels through which we could talk with Rostov [meaning, Prigozhin — S].”
“In the middle of the day, we were already conducting the third, fourth round of negotiations through this channel, there were intermediaries in my house, in the country residence, who provided this connection for us.”
On the role of Yevkurov and Bortnikov in the negotiations
“In this regard, I must especially thank General Yunus-bek Yevkurov. We got lucky. Turns out, he is a friend of Ivan Stanislavovich [Tertel, Chairman of the KGB — Note], they studied together, according to my information.
I must say that this general played a very important role.”
…
“Apart from Yevkurov at the first stage and Bortnikov, director of the FSB, no one participated in these negotiations.”
On the first conversation with Prigozhin
“At 11:00—even though Putin warned me that he wouldn’t pick up the phone—he immediately picked up the phone. That is, Yevkurov went to him and gave him the phone: ‘Here, the President of Belarus is calling, will you talk to him?’ ‘With Aleksandr Grigoryevich, I will.’ ”
“The conversation was euphoria. Yevgeniy was in absolute euphoria. The first round, we were talking for 30 minutes, swearing. Exclusively. There were 10 times more swear words—as I later realized—than normal words. He, of course, apologized and started telling me [about the situation — S] with swear words.
And I was thinking: how to approach him to start these negotiations, so to speak. The guys have just got back from the front. They saw thousands, thousands of their dead comrades. The guys were full of resentment, especially the commanders. And, as I understood it, they greatly influenced—I had deduced this beforehand—Prigozhin himself. Yes, he is such a, you know, heroic guy, but he was pressured and influenced by those who led the assault squads and saw those deaths. And in this situation, having quickly moved from there [the front — S] to Rostov, in such a half-mad state… I was talking to him [when he was in that state — S].”
On the actions of Wagner people in Rostov
“Through my channels, I received information, including from our Committee [KGB — Note] and the military, that they [Wagner — S] occupied the [military — S] district headquarters [in Rostov — Note].”
“Right away, the media started: ‘Oh-oh-oh, they’ve captured it, there’s already looting, and so on’—the lies. The Ukrainians were trying especially hard.
I started verifying it. I asked: ‘Hey, did you kill someone there from the civilians, from the military, who weren’t opposing you?’ ‘Aleksandr Grigoryevich, I swear to you, we didn’t hurt anyone. We occupied the headquarters. I am right here.’ And it turned out to be true. It was very important. Note that it was very important that they, having entered Rostov, did not hurt anyone.”
On Prigozhin’s demands
“I said: ‘What do you want?’—naturally, I told about their demands when talking to Putin—‘I’m not asking for anything, Aleksandr Grigoryevich. They should give me Shoygu and Gerasimov. And I need to meet Putin.’ I said: ‘Zhenya [Yevgeniy — S], no one will give you either Shoygu or Gerasimov, especially in this situation. You know Putin as much as I do. Secondly, not only he won’t meet with you, he won’t even talk to you on the phone due to this situation.’ He was silent. ‘But we want justice! They want to strangle us! We’ll go to Moscow!’ I said: ‘Halfway there you’ll just be squashed like a bug. Despite the fact that the troops’—Putin explained this to me at length—‘are distracted at the corresponding front.’ Think about it, I said. ‘No.’ Such an euphoria it was.”
“I kept trying to convince him. And in the end I said: ‘You know what, you can do whatever you want. But don’t get mad at me. The brigade is prepared for transfer to Moscow. And, like in 1941—you are reading books, you are an educated, intelligent person—we will be defending Moscow. Because this situation is not only in Russia. And not only because it’s our Fatherland. It’s because, God forbid, this turmoil could spread all over Russia’—and there were massive prerequisites for that—‘we’d be next.’ ”
“The triumphal march of Soviet power happened in the same way. Approximately 100,000 Bolsheviks turned Russia upside down. Without weapons. I asked myself: ‘Is everything so great in our Russia?’ No. There are more than enough reasons for this turmoil to start spreading all over Russia, reaching us. Only a trigger is needed. And now it’s there.”
On the unacceptability of solving the problem by force
“Who is Prigozhin? Today he is widely respected in the armed forces. No matter how much someone would like it [i.e., dislike it — S]. So I thought: yes, we can smash them. I said to Putin: ‘We can smash them.’ It wasn’t a problem. If not on the first try, then on the second one. I said: ‘Don’t do this.’ Because then there will be no negotiations. These guys who know how to stand up for each other, who fought in Africa, Asia, Latin America, they will do anything. We can also smash them, but thousands, thousands of civilians and those who will fight the Wagner guys will die. And it’s the most trained unit in the army. Who will argue with this? My military also understands this, and we do not have such people in Belarus [so well-trained — Note]. These are people who have gone through more than one war in different places.
Therefore, before smashing, we must think about what will happen tomorrow. One has to look beyond one’s nose, especially those how are shouting ‘hooray’ and speculating on this issue today.”
On the interpersonal conflict
“ ‘We’ll go to Moscow, we want justice. We fought, we fought honestly. You do know, Aleksandr Grigoryevich, how we fought?’ ‘I know.’ But a rivalry began between the army, as he said, and our unit. Unhealthy rivalry. An interpersonal conflict between high-profile people escalated into this brawl.
And here I would also like to make a remark, why I instructed my media, the press secretary, by no means to make a hero out of me, out of Putin and Prigozhin. Because we neglected this situation. We missed it. And then, when it began to develop, we saw and thought that it would resolve by itself, me and Putin—myself, to a lesser extent, to be honest, but nonetheless. And it didn’t resolve by itself. And basically two people who were fighting at the front clashed. Again, I followed this closely, I was constantly in this cauldron [sic — S]. I know Shoygu’s work. He is sometimes criticized unfairly. Shoygu has visited us [Belarus — S] more than once. Of course, I can’t put in the media, what we were talking about. We had very serious discussions with him. General Khrenin met with him more than once, and we calmly supported him as much as we could—and there was a lot we could do—and we did a lot. And in this regard, Shoygu did a lot. That is, he has occupied his niche where he can do something.”
“Yevgeniy Prigozhin… one can sympathize with him in this regard. And considering on top of that that he is a person like Shoygu—they have the same temperaments—very impulsive, so it started.”
On one condition for Prigozhin and him giving up his demands
“When I spoke to him for the second or third time, I warned him. I already saw that he was ready to back down, but I warned him: ‘Yevgeniy, there must be no bloodshed. As soon as you deliberately or inadvertently kill at least one person, especially a civilian, that’s it, there will be no negotiations with you, and I won’t talk to you.’ He swore to me. He said, we do not have such a goal, and I swear to you that this will not happen.
Negotiations went on throughout the day. Six or seven rounds of negotiations. I expressed my position. Didn’t call him again. Six times, as I recall, he contacted me. Asking for advice, making offers and so on. When he told me: ‘Aleksandr Grigoryevich, I will not demand from the President that he give up Shoygu and Gerasimov, and I will not even ask for a meeting,’ I said: ‘Well, that’s good. That is a very good step. You shouldn’t demand the impossible in this situation, raising the tension even further.
I said: ‘Can you imagine, I am the President. You are my Minister of Defense. And some kind of bandit…’ ‘I’m not a bandit.’ I said: ‘As an example, some bandit demands to give up Khrenin and Gulevich. I will never agree to that. I’ll die myself, but I won’t agree to that.’ ‘Yes, I understand.’ ‘Since you understand, let’s act.’ He said: ‘Tell me, what [should we do — S] now?’ I said: ‘The column must stop.’ That is, he agreed to negotiate.”
On Belarus President’s guarantees
“The last argument was when at a certain point after the first negotiations he said: ‘Let me gather the commanders and consult with them.’ I said: ‘Of course, do consult with them, so they won’t blame you later.’
At 11 o’clock we talked, and at 5 o’clock in the evening he called me and said: ‘Aleksandr Grigoryevich, I accept all your conditions. But… what should I do? If we stop—they will start smashing us.’ I said: ‘They won’t. I guarantee you. I’m taking it upon myself [to avert such a scenario — S].’ We were in contact with the leadership of Russia—it was the FSB that was primarily dealing with this issue—with Bortnikov. I was urging them not to do that. Bortnikov is a smart person. He said: ‘Aleksandr Grigoryevich, I’m not a fool, I understand what can happen.’ ”
“If they stop somewhere, the column will compress… It will gather in one heap… So that there is no, you know, desire and temptation to just strike it. They promised: this won’t happen. That’s what I told Prigozhin: ‘This is a guarantee.’ ‘What’s next?’ ‘I’ll go as far as taking you to Belarus and guaranteeing absolute security to you. And to your guys who have advanced right there in this column.’ ‘Yes, I believe you. I believe you.’ ‘Good, we will act in this direction.’ ”
On the end of negotiations and Putin’s promise
“By evening, we came to the end of the negotiations. I was in a hurry, because 200 km from Moscow—I knew, Bortnikov informed me—a defense line had already been built. They gathered everyone—Putin told me this in the evening—like in the war years [WW2 — S]. The cadets… The police were in reserve—1500 of them. That is, they gathered quite a decent force both in the Kremlin and near the Kremlin. There were, I think, about 10,000 defenders. And I was afraid that if Wagner guys clash with them on this line—and it was just under 200 km from Moscow—blood would be shed and it would become irreversible.
I said: ‘Good. Bortnikov is on this. You need to contact him.’ ‘He’s not picking up the phone.’ ‘He will. Call in 20 minutes.’ I asked Ivan Stanislavovich [Tertel, chairman of the KGB — Note], I said: ‘Find Bortnikov immediately, tell him to call me.’ He called. I said: ‘Aleksandr Vasilyevich, make sure you pick up the phone if Prigozhin calls you.’ Of course, he was full of intense feelings inside him. I said: ‘Listen, put everything aside and do as we agreed with him.’ They talked. He turned the column around and they went to their camps in Lugansk Oblast. They went away to the camps.
I spoke with Putin in the evening. I asked him again: ‘Don’t do it under any circumstances.’ ‘Yes. Okay. What I promised, I’ll do, everything.’ He kept his word.
The turmoil was thus averted. The dangerous events that could have occured have been prevented. The security guarantees, as he said and promised yesterday, have been provided.”
…”
True statesmanship……
INDY
Thank you so much for posting this very human account.
real human being …
https://odysee.com/@Velyaminov:a/Reports-from-the-M4-highway:3
Great! I was hoping you would be on the Judges program and offer an alternative POV.
I’d like to have Biden and Nuland watch that video in a Clockwork Orange sort of way.
Lindsey probably is, and loving every second of it.
One of the unattended consequence of Prigozhin flash-mob is yet to be seen : it can also have an example value for the AFU.
I mean, not every commanders, officers and soldiers in the AFU are happy to send young lads de-mining fields “Iran-Iraq war Style” and a mutiny in the AFU targeting the banderist officers can deal a dead ass serious blow to the regime in Kiev.
Didn’t send any flail tanks or mine plows, did they? Not that it would make any difference with a lack of numbers and training. Everybody loves tanks. Not boring combat engineering vehicles, or engineering tools.
They probably ran out of plow tanks. They got a dozen or so of those, and I’ve seen at least half destroyed.
There ain’t nothing boring about Hobart’s Funnies, quite the contrary. 🙂 Those might be yet another part of history repeating.
(President of the Republic of Belarus, June 27, 2023 — in Russian)
…
After the ceremony of issuing shoulder boards to senior officers, President of Belarus Aleksandr Lukashenko revealed the details of negotiations held on June 24, against the backdrop of an attempted armed mutiny by the Wagner PMC, and also shared the motives for his actions and his stance.
…
On receiving alarming news
…
“However, by Saturday morning, 8:00, I was already receiving alarming information about the situation in Russia. I have someone tracking these Telegram channels, messengers… Through the FSB and our State Security Committee, General Tertel, they reported to me: President Putin wants to talk. Sure. At 9:30 we agreed that we would talk at any time convenient for him. When he spoke [to the public — S] at 10:00, he called at 10:10 and informed me in the most detailed way about the situation that was happening in Russia.”
“I asked several questions, including about how to counter this, and I realized that the situation was complicated. I won’t provide more details about this part of the conversation.”
On advising Putin not to rush it with a cruel decision
“The most dangerous thing, as I understood it, was not the situation itself, but how it could develop and its consequences. That was the most dangerous thing. I also understood that a cruel decision had been taken—it was present as subtext in Putin’s speech—to smash it [the mutiny — S]. I suggested to Putin not to hurry. Let’s talk with Prigozhin, I said, with his commanders. To which he told me: ‘Listen, Sasha [Aleksandr — S], it’s useless. He won’t even pick up the phone, he doesn’t want to talk to anyone.’ ”
How they managed to contact Prigozhin
“I asked: ‘Where is he?’ ‘In Rostov.’ I said: ‘Good. A bad peace is better than any war. Do not rush it. I will try to contact him.’ He once again said: ‘It’s useless.’ I said: ‘Okay, wait.’ We’ve been talking for about half an hour. Then he informed me about the situation at the front. I remember his words: ‘You know, at the front, oddly enough, it’s better than it ever was.’ I said: ‘See, not everything is so sad.’ At 11 o’clock… I also had to get those phone numbers… I said: ‘How do I contact him? Give me the phone number.’ He said: ‘Most likely, the FSB has the number.’ We asked for it. By the middle of the day, we set up as many as three channels through which we could talk with Rostov [meaning, Prigozhin — S].”
“In the middle of the day, we were already conducting the third, fourth round of negotiations through this channel, there were intermediaries in my house, in the country residence, who provided this connection for us.”
On the role of Yevkurov and Bortnikov in the negotiations
“In this regard, I must especially thank General Yunus-bek Yevkurov. We got lucky. Turns out, he is a friend of Ivan Stanislavovich [Tertel, Chairman of the KGB — Note], they studied together, according to my information.
I must say that this general played a very important role.”
…
“Apart from Yevkurov at the first stage and Bortnikov, director of the FSB, no one participated in these negotiations.”
On the first conversation with Prigozhin
“At 11:00—even though Putin warned me that he wouldn’t pick up the phone—he immediately picked up the phone. That is, Yevkurov went to him and gave him the phone: ‘Here, the President of Belarus is calling, will you talk to him?’ ‘With Aleksandr Grigoryevich, I will.’ ”
“The conversation was euphoria. Yevgeniy was in absolute euphoria. The first round, we were talking for 30 minutes, swearing. Exclusively. There were 10 times more swear words—as I later realized—than normal words. He, of course, apologized and started telling me [about the situation — S] with swear words.
And I was thinking: how to approach him to start these negotiations, so to speak. The guys have just got back from the front. They saw thousands, thousands of their dead comrades. The guys were full of resentment, especially the commanders. And, as I understood it, they greatly influenced—I had deduced this beforehand—Prigozhin himself. Yes, he is such a, you know, heroic guy, but he was pressured and influenced by those who led the assault squads and saw those deaths. And in this situation, having quickly moved from there [the front — S] to Rostov, in such a half-mad state… I was talking to him [when he was in that state — S].”
On the actions of Wagner people in Rostov
“Through my channels, I received information, including from our Committee [KGB — Note] and the military, that they [Wagner — S] occupied the [military — S] district headquarters [in Rostov — Note].”
“Right away, the media started: ‘Oh-oh-oh, they’ve captured it, there’s already looting, and so on’—the lies. The Ukrainians were trying especially hard.
I started verifying it. I asked: ‘Hey, did you kill someone there from the civilians, from the military, who weren’t opposing you?’ ‘Aleksandr Grigoryevich, I swear to you, we didn’t hurt anyone. We occupied the headquarters. I am right here.’ And it turned out to be true. It was very important. Note that it was very important that they, having entered Rostov, did not hurt anyone.”
On Prigozhin’s demands
“I said: ‘What do you want?’—naturally, I told about their demands when talking to Putin—‘I’m not asking for anything, Aleksandr Grigoryevich. They should give me Shoygu and Gerasimov. And I need to meet Putin.’ I said: ‘Zhenya [Yevgeniy — S], no one will give you either Shoygu or Gerasimov, especially in this situation. You know Putin as much as I do. Secondly, not only he won’t meet with you, he won’t even talk to you on the phone due to this situation.’ He was silent. ‘But we want justice! They want to strangle us! We’ll go to Moscow!’ I said: ‘Halfway there you’ll just be squashed like a bug. Despite the fact that the troops’—Putin explained this to me at length—‘are distracted at the corresponding front.’ Think about it, I said. ‘No.’ Such an euphoria it was.”
“I kept trying to convince him. And in the end I said: ‘You know what, you can do whatever you want. But don’t get mad at me. The brigade is prepared for transfer to Moscow. And, like in 1941—you are reading books, you are an educated, intelligent person—we will be defending Moscow. Because this situation is not only in Russia. And not only because it’s our Fatherland. It’s because, God forbid, this turmoil could spread all over Russia’—and there were massive prerequisites for that—‘we’d be next.’ ”
“The triumphal march of Soviet power happened in the same way. Approximately 100,000 Bolsheviks turned Russia upside down. Without weapons. I asked myself: ‘Is everything so great in our Russia?’ No. There are more than enough reasons for this turmoil to start spreading all over Russia, reaching us. Only a trigger is needed. And now it’s there.”
On the unacceptability of solving the problem by force
“Who is Prigozhin? Today he is widely respected in the armed forces. No matter how much someone would like it [i.e., dislike it — S]. So I thought: yes, we can smash them. I said to Putin: ‘We can smash them.’ It wasn’t a problem. If not on the first try, then on the second one. I said: ‘Don’t do this.’ Because then there will be no negotiations. These guys who know how to stand up for each other, who fought in Africa, Asia, Latin America, they will do anything. We can also smash them, but thousands, thousands of civilians and those who will fight the Wagner guys will die. And it’s the most trained unit in the army. Who will argue with this? My military also understands this, and we do not have such people in Belarus [so well-trained — Note]. These are people who have gone through more than one war in different places.
Therefore, before smashing, we must think about what will happen tomorrow. One has to look beyond one’s nose, especially those how are shouting ‘hooray’ and speculating on this issue today.”
On the interpersonal conflict
“ ‘We’ll go to Moscow, we want justice. We fought, we fought honestly. You do know, Aleksandr Grigoryevich, how we fought?’ ‘I know.’ But a rivalry began between the army, as he said, and our unit. Unhealthy rivalry. An interpersonal conflict between high-profile people escalated into this brawl.
And here I would also like to make a remark, why I instructed my media, the press secretary, by no means to make a hero out of me, out of Putin and Prigozhin. Because we neglected this situation. We missed it. And then, when it began to develop, we saw and thought that it would resolve by itself, me and Putin—myself, to a lesser extent, to be honest, but nonetheless. And it didn’t resolve by itself. And basically two people who were fighting at the front clashed. Again, I followed this closely, I was constantly in this cauldron [sic — S]. I know Shoygu’s work. He is sometimes criticized unfairly. Shoygu has visited us [Belarus — S] more than once. Of course, I can’t put in the media, what we were talking about. We had very serious discussions with him. General Khrenin met with him more than once, and we calmly supported him as much as we could—and there was a lot we could do—and we did a lot. And in this regard, Shoygu did a lot. That is, he has occupied his niche where he can do something.”
“Yevgeniy Prigozhin… one can sympathize with him in this regard. And considering on top of that that he is a person like Shoygu—they have the same temperaments—very impulsive, so it started.”
On one condition for Prigozhin and him giving up his demands
“When I spoke to him for the second or third time, I warned him. I already saw that he was ready to back down, but I warned him: ‘Yevgeniy, there must be no bloodshed. As soon as you deliberately or inadvertently kill at least one person, especially a civilian, that’s it, there will be no negotiations with you, and I won’t talk to you.’ He swore to me. He said, we do not have such a goal, and I swear to you that this will not happen.
Negotiations went on throughout the day. Six or seven rounds of negotiations. I expressed my position. Didn’t call him again. Six times, as I recall, he contacted me. Asking for advice, making offers and so on. When he told me: ‘Aleksandr Grigoryevich, I will not demand from the President that he give up Shoygu and Gerasimov, and I will not even ask for a meeting,’ I said: ‘Well, that’s good. That is a very good step. You shouldn’t demand the impossible in this situation, raising the tension even further.
I said: ‘Can you imagine, I am the President. You are my Minister of Defense. And some kind of bandit…’ ‘I’m not a bandit.’ I said: ‘As an example, some bandit demands to give up Khrenin and Gulevich. I will never agree to that. I’ll die myself, but I won’t agree to that.’ ‘Yes, I understand.’ ‘Since you understand, let’s act.’ He said: ‘Tell me, what [should we do — S] now?’ I said: ‘The column must stop.’ That is, he agreed to negotiate.”
On Belarus President’s guarantees
“The last argument was when at a certain point after the first negotiations he said: ‘Let me gather the commanders and consult with them.’ I said: ‘Of course, do consult with them, so they won’t blame you later.’
At 11 o’clock we talked, and at 5 o’clock in the evening he called me and said: ‘Aleksandr Grigoryevich, I accept all your conditions. But… what should I do? If we stop—they will start smashing us.’ I said: ‘They won’t. I guarantee you. I’m taking it upon myself [to avert such a scenario — S].’ We were in contact with the leadership of Russia—it was the FSB that was primarily dealing with this issue—with Bortnikov. I was urging them not to do that. Bortnikov is a smart person. He said: ‘Aleksandr Grigoryevich, I’m not a fool, I understand what can happen.’ ”
“If they stop somewhere, the column will compress… It will gather in one heap… So that there is no, you know, desire and temptation to just strike it. They promised: this won’t happen. That’s what I told Prigozhin: ‘This is a guarantee.’ ‘What’s next?’ ‘I’ll go as far as taking you to Belarus and guaranteeing absolute security to you. And to your guys who have advanced right there in this column.’ ‘Yes, I believe you. I believe you.’ ‘Good, we will act in this direction.’ ”
On the end of negotiations and Putin’s promise
“By evening, we came to the end of the negotiations. I was in a hurry, because 200 km from Moscow—I knew, Bortnikov informed me—a defense line had already been built. They gathered everyone—Putin told me this in the evening—like in the war years [WW2 — S]. The cadets… The police were in reserve—1500 of them. That is, they gathered quite a decent force both in the Kremlin and near the Kremlin. There were, I think, about 10,000 defenders. And I was afraid that if Wagner guys clash with them on this line—and it was just under 200 km from Moscow—blood would be shed and it would become irreversible.
I said: ‘Good. Bortnikov is on this. You need to contact him.’ ‘He’s not picking up the phone.’ ‘He will. Call in 20 minutes.’ I asked Ivan Stanislavovich [Tertel, chairman of the KGB — Note], I said: ‘Find Bortnikov immediately, tell him to call me.’ He called. I said: ‘Aleksandr Vasilyevich, make sure you pick up the phone if Prigozhin calls you.’ Of course, he was full of intense feelings inside him. I said: ‘Listen, put everything aside and do as we agreed with him.’ They talked. He turned the column around and they went to their camps in Lugansk Oblast. They went away to the camps.
I spoke with Putin in the evening. I asked him again: ‘Don’t do it under any circumstances.’ ‘Yes. Okay. What I promised, I’ll do, everything.’ He kept his word.
The turmoil was thus averted. The dangerous events that could have occured have been prevented. The security guarantees, as he said and promised yesterday, have been provided.”
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Posted by: S | Jun 28 2023 6:23 utc | 436
THIS IS A TRANSLATION OF LUKASHENKO FROM A COMMENTOER AT MOA
Here is actual footage from the M4 highway, to go with the text:
https://odysee.com/@Velyaminov:a/Reports-from-the-M4-highway:3
Well, it seems that it is now safe to say that the Russian Intelligence Services discovered Prigozhin’s plans, which instead of giving up, anticipated the rebellion. The plan was to kidnap Shoigu and Gerassimov in a forward view south that would pass through Rostov and take place a few days later! And expect most of the military to support Prigozhin’s rebellion after the kidnapping of Shoigu and Gerassimov.
The column to Moscow on the 24th, actually divided into two columns, never intended to reach Moscow. Most likely with far fewer men than Prigozhin secured. Prigozhin himself told Lukashenko that he knew the columns would be destroyed long before they reached Moscow. And he was right. In addition to Russian forces in Moscow, forces were deployed on the highway 200 km from Moscow that would have completely destroyed Prigozhin’s columns.
Probably on the 24th the objective of the column, after the Russian military did not support Prigozhin, was just to gain time to negotiate. The columns ended up only making it halfway to Moscow and turned back. Prigozhin says he reached 200 kms from Moscow but not 400 kms. The column traveled just over half of the way, about 6 or 7 hours. And about the operational plan of the rebellion, problem solved and doubts clarified. Prigozhin is a real asshole! An arrogant and corrupt asshole.
There is no evidence P is a DA, especially given he would be faced with HT charges and a DS.
And the man you suspect to be a DA is then sent to Belarus where there is already talk of a coup being plotted against the Government. Does that sound logical to anyone, that P who allegedly tries to start a coup against R is now sent to Belarus, what to do the same there?
WOW!! Death to the war pigs!!
Ivan launches new mines into every field that is cleared.
In WWII NKVD officers would wait with Maxim MG to shoot any who retreated, the UKES probably have something similar.
Forward!
Dirk Müller: Prigozhin coup? 👉 That was a fake attack!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoqaNEpzt-4
In Germany, too, the voices are growing stronger that an intelligence flypaper was laid out here.
The secret services of Russia will evaluate now the reactions in the most different structures.
Larry you are the only “pundit” who gets it! None of the other guys have the critical thinking ability nor the experience to do what you do. I’ve told Mercouris repeatedly for the past 3 months, just go listen to Larry, it will all make sense. But no, he is STILL bewildered and all angry at Prigozhin and thoroughly confused, but he’s still convinced that he’s right.
Martyanov and Ritter, these guys actually still talk to people who hold high positions inside the Rus military/govt… so I think they might be aware of the truth and willingly going along with the maskirovka to help out the good guys. Ritter especially, he came back from a long trip to Russia and talked to thousands of people over there.
I read on Italian MSM that Russian dissident Ilja Ponomariov (who fights on Ukrainian side) claimed a couple of days ago that the socalled “Prigozhin-coup” was indeed staged and has been carried out to “clean up the Russian institutions”. He also says the Ukrainians were ready to attack Belgorod, but the region was full of Russian troops which were deployed to “defend Moskow from Wagner”. Here the link: https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2023/06/25/news/golpe_russia_intervista_ponomaryov-405732480/
Here’s how our ‘independent media’ creates the news:
The Atlantic; Sept. 23, 2022
The Return of Fascism in Italy: “Meloni shows affinity for authoritarian strongmen: Like Marine Le Pen, until recently the leader of the National Rally party in France. Meloni has expressed support for Russian President Vladimir Putin.”
But mere weeks later, after her election:
The Associated Press; Nov. 10, 2022
Nov 10, 2022: Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni is pledging Italy’s “strong commitment” to NATO and efforts to help liberate Ukraine from Russia’s invasion.
Dear Atlantic; Is she no longer a Fascist or is she now a Fascist true to her roots and whole hog on supporting Ukraine’s turn to fascism? Your reply is urgently needed.
The West no longer understands the development, as here Macron:
The Kenyan president to Macron:
1. we no longer need the IMF and the World Bank.
2. we need a new financial architecture where leadership and power are not in the hands of a few. A new organization of equals.
3. things are moving backwards, not forwards. You do not hear us…
https://t.me/russlandsdeutsche/18476
Those soldiers were not trained by the French. Ukrainian POWs said that the French could not even properly apply a tourniquet, nor basic techniques to care for the wounded. Instead they focused on instilling RussiaPhobia into the trainees and a desire to kill as many Russians as possible.
To quote:
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/52413?single
“After a month’s training with French instructors, Ukrainian servicemen are unable to apply a tourniquet or administer first aid to the wounded, not to mention the skills of assaulting fortifications.
However, the European ‘teachers’ did not waste any time. So-called ‘psychologists’ regularly worked with soldiers, openly inculcating Russophobia and calling for more Russians to be killed. Nor did the French handlers forget about the drugs that were given to the AFU soldiers on a daily basis to give them a feeling of vigor and strength.”
In other words, the French were training suicide drones.
That same telegram channel has results from interviews with Ukrainian POWs on their “NATO” training. Scott Ridder had it right. The Ukr soldiers did not get any training in how to breach defensive lines under intense conditions. One summary of their training was they were being trained for a UN peace keeping mission. No training at brigade levels. Run toward the enemy and die.
I think most people in the West assume that NATO training meant it was going to turn the Ukr soldiers in some cartoon super warriors. Far far far from the truth and absolutely criminal.
When Biden says “whatever it takes” to win he really means until the last Ukrainian soldier is dead. “Whatever it takes” will never mean seeing US troops in a video like this. Unlike Vietnam this war is very detailed on video, thousands of phones and drones taping it. The media will hide this war for the benefit of Biden, but the videos will still flow organically like this. And that is the wall that will prevent deep state from sending our troops. Their political shield is nowhere to be found with this many cameras. Its a shame that the media isn’t doing this job though.
All this while the sick bastards in Washington DC, who started and perpetrated this war, sit in their fancy offices and enjoy dinner in high end restaurants. On top of that It’s all OK with most Americans as long as the stock market keeps going up and they don’t have to hear about this on cable news. America has a lot to answer for.
How can anyone looking at this video think that any part of this conflict is a Good and Worthy Thing? You’ve written about training – the lack of it; the brevity of it -You can just see it coming, can’t you (at 9:34)? what else would lead a likely exhausted, untrained, afraid recruit to LEAP into an area that is already a crater? How much practice/repetitions do these likely youths or at best inexperienced men get to understand negotiating that kind of territory? It’s criminal, isn’t it? That’s the only word i can think to apply.
“a likely exhausted, untrained, afraid recruit to LEAP into an area that is already a crater?”
No, the Ukies in the video are elite troops, not recruits. And as such will be hard core Bandera types. They get what they deserve.
I think it likely that the Brits will attempt to assassinate Prigozhin, possibly making it look like suicide, to confirm in the eyes of the West that he was a legitimate traitor. Whether he was one or not it is likely that they will try to do this and blame it on Putin, as if the Russians would kill him without a legal process, as if they would need to do so. The Brits have a long history of trying to get one more use out of foreign assets. Remember their role in the Georgi Markov affair, blamed on the Bolsheviks and believed by most to have been their doing until long after the Cold War.
That does fit a narrative I see being created in the media.
Seems like some of the mine fields will represent obstacles whenever Russia starts to move Westward.
Question: Does the impact of the TOS-1a thermobaric rocket jolt all of the landmines in their detonation radius to also explode? Would barages of these rockets rolling out in front of advancing Russian units effectively clear their path?
Minefields have been “representing” obstacles to Russians for more than a year. That’s why their advance was slow and methodical. They tried fast once in Ugledar, and ran into a minefield. These guys from the video were probably laughing then, at how incompetent are those Russkies.
MLRS lack accuracy needed for these things. Zmey Gorynych (UR-77 Meteorit) is used for clearing paths trough minfields.
https://odysee.com/@SputnikInternational:c/2023-06-28-10.07.30:b
I’ve seen the minefield video and it portrays exactly what these guys are up against and just how their commanders view them… nothing more than fodder.
In spite of your wife’s warning, I watched part of the minefield video last night. This is why I wanted Ukraine to go to the table even before Russia even entered the country. The video should be shared with anyone who thinks it is a good idea to send US troops to Ukraine. Let the warmongers go instead because this is their fault. I’ll never forget that video of two of our US senators in Ukraine fueling the flames of war a few years ago, evilly assuring the Ukrainian military they could win a war against Russia.
It’s a timeless scene. Young men are seduced to participate in war. They are made hamburger for the purpose of enhancing the wealth and power of their owners and rulers. Smedley Butler remains unknown and unheeded. No one is without guilt. These men (forced conscripts aside) are there with the intent to kill and maim other men. What is being done to them, it was their intention to do to others. Their parents, if they had any, failed them, did not teach them to think critically or righteously, not to be servants of, act as muscle for, evil men. By some deception or by their own psychopathy they chose to live by the sword. They died or have had their lives ruined by the sword. The scene is as old as humanity itself. We do not learn.
@LJ , im sorry for saying this , but some of the comments are just either ignorant or blind on realities of war throughout the ages..
what do you think happened during the british empire’s wars ? both sides kill each other in horrific ways ..
what do you think happened when roman soldiers entered carthage in Punic war 3 ? still living but dying cartagenian citizens on the cities are trampeled by roman chariots and many burned in their homes
what do you think happened to both sides during Iwojima where Japanese fought against US invasion of their volcanic island ?
what do you think happened during the Napoleon victorious march to moscow and their ruinous defeat when they retreated from russia ? wounded french soldiers lie along the road begging for help , civilians enacting revenge on the ones left behind ..
what do you think happened during dien bien phu ?
again i am sorry larry but the commenters who said ‘i symphatize with them because they are human’ seem like what sheltered people who ignorant of history would say..
DO YOU EVEN WATCH THE CIVILIAN IN DONETSK BEING SLAUGHTERED , WITH A WOMAN LYING ON THE STREET DYING WITH LEGS MANGLED BY UKRAINE SU25 ROCKETS , WHERE IS YOUR CONCERN BACK THEN ?
these are soldiers , they are there to kill the other sides , they are living by the sword and no symphaty should be given to them as they wont give the same sympathy to the russian if they ever breach the russian defence lines.
I saw so many ‘oh pooor german soldiers’ during their stalingrad misadventures , a lot of people today from the west symphatize with german soldiers’s plight while ignoring the fact that russian soldiers and CIVILIAN suffered massive suffering from these ‘poor german kids’
this is directed toward commenters , not to you @LJ
DO YOU EVEN WATCH THE CIVILIAN IN DONETSK BEING SLAUGHTERED , WITH A WOMAN LYING ON THE STREET DYING WITH LEGS MANGLED BY UKRAINE SU25 ROCKETS , WHERE IS YOUR CONCERN BACK THEN ?
Indeed…and that woman’s name was Inna Kukuruza and there were thousands more like her during the 8 years Merkel and Hollande were faking Minsk II.
Unprovoked Russians?….please.
Commenters here who symphatize with NAZI Ukraininan soldiers , Read the realities of War before sympatizing with men-o-war who hell bent on killing russian people.
These are the soldiers of brutal NAZI regime supported by brutal US EMPIRE , and few commenters here still apply humanity to them ? there is no pity for them nor joy watching them suffer their just punishment on field of battle..
WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN TO RUSSIAN CIVILIANS IN CRIMEA IF THESE EVIL NAZI SOLDIERS BREACH RUSSIAN DEFENCE ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Polybius/1*.html
Polybus on Truceless War , Carthage vs their own mercenaries after PUNIC WAR 1
“Spendius and his men then led out from the camp Gesco and the other prisoners, in all about seven hundred. Taking them a short distance away, they first of all cut off their hands, 12 beginning with Gesco, that very Gesco whom a short time previously they had selected from all the Carthaginians, proclaiming him their benefactor and referring the points in dispute to him. 13 After cutting off the hands they cut off the wretched men’s other extremities too, and after thus mutilating them and breaking their legs, threw them still alive into a trench.
81 1 The Carthaginians, when news came of this p219 unhappy event, could take no action, but their indignation was extreme, and in the heat of it they sent messengers to Hamilcar and their other general Hanno imploring them to come and avenge the unfortunate victims. 2 To the assassins they sent heralds begging that the bodies might be given up to them. 3 Not only was this request refused but the messengers were told to send neither herald nor envoy again, as any who came would meet with the same punishment that had just befallen Gesco.
4 With regard to treatment of prisoners in the future, the mutineers passed a resolution and engaged each other to torture and kill every Carthaginian and send back to the capital with his hands cut off every ally of Carthage, and this practice they continued to observe carefully. 5 No one looking at this would have any hesitation in saying that not only do men’s bodies and certain of the ulcers and tumours afflicting them become so to speak savage and brutalized and quite incurable, but that this is true in a much higher degree of their souls”
The following is pure speculation on my part……
I wondered for months why Prigozhin published video diatribes.
I remind one and all that he is not a military man, and does not have that training, or mind set.
I noticed that as time went on, they became ever more extreme….
I speculate that the losses of his men finally got to him… at a personal level…
Perhaps he lost one or more very good friends during the Artemivsk campaign, which went on for ~ 8 months….
The video with him showing the bodies of his dead fits this….
INDY
“I wondered for months why Prigozhin published video diatribes.”
Because he is an attention whore. This was his “15 minutes of fame”.
Contemporary Americans learned to hate the Colonial Brits when in that scene from The Patriot, villagers were herded into a church and burned alive.
The Poles once learned to hate the banderites when the OUN herded Polish villagers into barns and burned them alive.
Why should we not do the same for Odessa? Are we not vile in our hypocrisy?
Never accuse me of cognitive dissonance. I won’t stand for it.
I took a fast-forwarding screen of the video, seems like at the end a guy jumped out from the Bradley’s ramp to rescue another guys who was previously injured by a mine, and the would-be rescuer immediately stepped on a mine and one of his lower legs was blown off and his other leg was wounded. They Bradley crew helped bring both grievously wounded men into the Bradley.
What the hell are we doing enabling this war to continue?!
How the hell did the guy who just got his leg blown off and get trauma to his head, not just maintain consciousness, but also quite calmly and deliberately tie a tourniquet off on the stump and crawl up a ramp ? The blood loss alone would have knocked him out !! Can i be forgiven for thinking this must be a deep fake video ?
No. It is called Adrenaline.
Adrenaline and training. Tourniquet application has to be in “muscle memory”, because of small time window.
Blood loss does not happen at instant. Even blocking blood supply to the brain does not result in instant unconsciousness.
This video is as real as it gets.