The United States and its pack of poodles in the rest of the G-7 spent the day down playing Iran’s military strike on Israel as a nothing burger. That is not true. This attack was significant on both a tactical and strategic level and is a defiant warning to both Israel and the United States to keep their powder dry or run the risk of Iran launching a massive strike on Israel that it will not be able to defeat.
Iran made shrewd use of a limited swarm of drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles — all timed to arrive at roughly the same time — which overwhelmed Israel and other air defense systems activated to try to thwart the Iranian attack. Reports indicate that Iran hit the following targets in Israel:
➖Nevatim Airbase in the south of occupied Palestine
➖Ramon Airbase in the south of occupied Palestine
➖The Israeli top-secret intelligence-spy base in Jabal al-Sheikh (Mount Hermon) in the north of the occupied Golan
➖ Israeli Air Force intelligence HQ in Tel Aviv
I believe that Iran pulled its punches in this attack. In other words, it did not launch a full scale attack designed to destroy essential Israeli military capabilities. Its purpose was to put Israel and its Western backers on notice that further attacks by Israel will be reciprocated with an even more massive response. And here is the bottomline — Israel does not have the supplies of Iron Dome missiles and other air defense armaments to conduct a sustained campaign against a coordinated attack of more than 1000 drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles.
Israel also faces a math geography problem. Iran is 30 times the size of Israel in terms of square miles (or kilometers). In addition, many of Iran’s key military and nuclear sites are buried deep underground in the midst of mountains. If Israel dares to engage Iran in a tit-for-tat or attack and counter attack it will come out on the short end of the stick. Barring the use of nuclear weapons, Israel does not have the military clout to put a dent in Iran’s military and industrial capability. Iran, however, does not face such constraints.
Thanks Larry, I’m in complete agreement!
I also agree. If there is so much as an empty coke can delivered by air to Iran, the reply would be 100% increase on last night but without the warning period.
The bluff has been called.
Israel. “We are catching 99% of the incoming targets”.
Iran. “Did you say Cha-ching?”
MIC. “Yep! Cha-ching”.
That is part of the whole idea. I spent most of the day having to explain to idiots why shooting down all them cheap slow easy to hit drones is NOT good news.
They ARE easy to hit but with a 50kg warhead, you still need to shoot them all down. That is the point.
The accountants are busy in Israel tonight.
Iran attacked from the Norlth to hit the air bases in the South. Israhell shot down all the drones right over their own heads. The estimated costs, Iran $68-70 million, Israhell $1,300 million. Iran spent 5% of what Israhell spent. That’s another facet of Iran’s win.
Ukraine and Israhell have exposed the decline of Western Hegemony.
It is reported that the IOF in Gaza hid in their bunkers all night, while all Israeli aircraft were engaged elsewhere away from Gaza. The children of Gaza slept peacefully for one night. Imagine!
Mr. Martinov host of SmothieX12 summed the attack by Iran on Israhell, perfectly, as “Broken Arrow.” I say again Broken Arrow.
For those who might wonder what Broken Arrow is? It is when an American unit is about to be overrun by an enemy and every aircraft is redirected, regardless of mission, to defend this unit.
Since when is Israhell an American Military Unit? Let us set this aside, but why is Israhell bragging so much, every military man knows what happened. The bully got pushed into the school hall lockers and got hit by reality.
9 Ballistic missiles got through, however, Israhell can be proud for shooting down all the flying lawnmowers with a five hour warning. See whenever they fight men, Israhell can’t handle it. I am worried they are gonna take it out on the women and children in Gaza.
Trump gave them a good framework for getting along, but Bibi had to mess everything up. I can’t wait until we kick Israel out of the basement. You’re 21. Time to find a way to make it on your own.
Fulfilling kushner’s wet dream by aiding and abetting genocide
“I can’t wait until we kick Israel out of the basement. You’re 21. Time to find a way to make it on your own.”
They’ll move out of the basement and into your bedroom; if Israel fails as a nation millions of the Jews living there will pack up and move to America. And if Biden can put 10 million low-IQ, third-world, so-called “refugees” on US welfare he’ll find space for 5 million genuine Israeli refugees.
Yes indeed. Like I said before. An even larger shitpile, if that is possible!
Nice analysis, Larry.
Simplicus substack has nice video and discussion of Iranian missiles punching through Israeli air defense. Very impressive, particularly given that Israeli AD is the densest of the West, and heavily layered with all NATO tools.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/
I pray Israel does not respond, but I expect it to respond. Probably not escalate on Iran tonight, but hit targets in Syria to see if Iran will respond (as it promised it would).
Hit targets in Syria you say? And there will come Russia….again.
Then what?
the us entering the war….
And getting its ass kicked… see Houthis for reference.
And before the obligatory “US gots nukes”, Russia can use Conventional Hypersonics to decapitate the US nuke arsenal worldwide.
Except for the boomers at sea… I agree.
The US subs may be surprised to discover they aren’t as stealthy as they imagine. Russia has a demonstrated ability to produce useful technology well ahead of others.
And this is tech that Russia would be keeping totally under wraps. Until they needed it… and no need to let on until then.
The US also gambled on no one producing viable hypersonics…
A strong case can be made that the US is the world leader in terrorism? You are being kind sir, our government owns that title flat out, period, end of story. One detail on the Battle of Midway. You are absolutely correct on how that played out, but it was the Torpedo Squadrons (Ensign George Gay the only survivor), that the Japanese fights expended their fuel and ammunition on. You are the best Larry, thank you and God Bless you for being a bright and shining light in the darkness on the lying dog mass media deceivers!
Yes, my bad. I meant to say planes carrying torpedos. Thanks for the correction.
LJ do you have talk / podcast / article in which you discuss what will happen if Israel (emboldened by western full support of its’ brutal massacre in gaza) use nuclear warhead attack on Iran ? Pretty sure the west will still support israel but what about the rest of the world (China & Russia and Globalsouth)
With the obviously porous israel missile defense , could iran retaliate with WMD if israel uses nukes on iranian cities ? ( i suspect iran have nuclear weapons in disassembled state so officially they can state they do not have it , but it will take them couple of hours to assemble them)
just curious if further escalation will led to the israel use of nuke to frighten everyone and show ‘israel stronk’ BS
Since today is April 15th, in honor of your grandfather: “I would like to electrocute everyone who uses the word ‘fair’ in connection with income tax policies.” WFB Jr.
I heard that the method for explosion of the IOF’s Paper Dome is a proximity fuse. Doesn’t that go back to WW2? Seems no one has neen asleep at the switch because there is no switch?
I meant to write”been asleep at the switch”.
Wait. That’s not what CNN told me.
The English Jordanian Khan also seems to be in dire straits as well. IOF may not be able to handle the Palestinians that may choose to cross the border to get payback for the atrocities of decades. And since Israel has no allies, their erstwhlie friends might ignore their calls for help. Don’t think they will ever attack Syria again. Soiled pants for Izzion. As Tom Waites said; “Hey little birdie fly away home, your house is on fire and your children are alone”
Today, I listened to several videos that this was a failed attack and/or a nothingburger, including Juan 07. Thank you Larry for a very interesting and informative perspective 🫡
They always underwhelm. It is a balance between domestic symbolic action and starting WW3. They have their civilizational eyes on a far broader and long-term strategic future. A rabid junk-yard dog on the end of a short Hegemon chain is not worth the rabies shot hassle. The Tel Aviv Mafia have been given their face slap and the retaliation gateway to WW3. However, the DC masters seem less sure of their positions going forward — gas prices in November risk is my bet. That little impounded ship was the real 8-ball cue.
suspect that with the next stupid move, ships will be selectively seized. Wouldn’t be a bit surprised if next time US won’t help any more.
I need to do a video about how Iran rules the Strait of Hormuz. It has fortified its small islands there and coastal mountains with heavy guns and missile sites. Also, the strait may be 24 miles wide, but the two deep ship channels are only 2-3 miles wide, so are easy to block and mine. The USA would need to conduct a Iwo Jima size landing to try to gain control.
Good analysis. The typography of Iran is not much different from the topography of Yemen. The lack of success countering Yemen, may be causing western powers to have second thoughts.
Iran also has several hundred attack boats that carry anti-ship missiles.
Impressive, but I trust they are now disbursed.
All those lined up Iranian boats reminds me of all the the lined up fighter planes of the Egyptian Air Force that Israel destroyed in the one quick and fatal attack that started the 1967 Six-Day War. This happened in the morning, when the Egyptian pilots were eating their breakfast. I’d have liked to have seen the looks on those Egyptian pilots’ faces the moment the first planes were being blown apart.
Editorial note: I am pretty sure you meant to say “dispersed”.
Economist Michael Hudson says Israel’s genocide follows America’s original strategic plan to genocide Vietnam, and has been a long time planned:
https://michael-hudson.com/2024/04/gaza-the-strategic-imperative/
offers strategic coherence and predictability of future events. Important.
h/t Rick on MoA.
This Michael Hudson exposition on the background to the current turmoil is at first sight infinitely depressing; reporting on the West’s oligarchs deliberately planning genocide; targeting hospitals, doctors, schools, journalists and aid workers in order to depopulate `Gaza and profit from property development on the Med. Coast and seize / steal offshore gas reserves. Property in Gaza will be going cheap.
This is not new. My father in law told me that he observed similar conversations in the lead up to WWII, with discussions of the profits to be made by the select few, selling armaments which would kill millions.
It is important to remember that what Michael Hudson describes has been going on for the last 150yrs or so, but the difference is;
1) The information is now in the public domain.
2) The majority of the World is now in a position to oppose the psychopaths.
There is a silver lining too, to the attacks on International Law and the destruction of the American legal system. The number of oligarchs and their paid functionaries is extremely small; probably in their thousands. If the “rules based order” stipulates that their are no rules which cannot be broken, then there is nothing to stop the World from permanently removing the few thousand miscreants destroying the West in the same way that Western Finance destroyed Russia in the 1990s.
Better to kill , or otherwise nullify thousands, rather than allowing those thousands to profit from killing millions. A clean up is needed.
I hope you are right. But Russia was able to turn things around because it had endless natural resources, a highly educated population and hardly any debt. The west has none of that. All it can do is kill people.
If you get rid of the psychopaths there are plenty more where they came from. It works because their mind control techniques abolish pain, and people will do anything to escape pain. They can watch what is happening in Gaza and feel nothing. Or worse, enjoy it.
Take out the head psychopaths and the production line for them stops. They’ve been at it since the Napoleonic Wars, think they already rule the world, but like all oligarchs, way too much is not enough for them.
Time to flip their catchphrase. Russia, China, Iran and BRICS should not stop “until they own nothing…” The Rothschilds and their Cousinhood-style fellow travellers that is.
Take out the head psychopaths and the production line for them stops. — AP
You’re an optimist AP (it’s a good thing).
Yes, the Rothschild production line needs to be stopped. But there is ample historical documentation of psychopathic leaders and rulers. More will arise, free-range, so to speak… inspired, no doubt, by the glory of Rome.
It’s the endless cycle of human nature.
Yes, I am optimistic. It’s different this time. Just as the technology exists to enable the Rothschilds to attempt the Great Reset, the technology exists to take humanity in the opposite direction. With the leaders of nearly 1/2 of the world’s population and economic activity opposing the Rothschild Class, it’s still all to play for. And the momentum is not in the Rothschild’s favour. Their Shadow Empire, first wrested from the previous Oligarchs in the late 1700s, is dying.
if you watch the carefully released statements from Russia, then the plan is clearly not to make this mistake again. Three’s a charm, as they say, and it is clear that the only way to stop the once – a – century – nonsense is eliminating the root cause.
since there is no death penalty in Russia, I wonder whether locking Bandera Nazis up with Zionist banksters and string pullers wouldn’t be a nastier punishment anyways.
Hudson provides great insight. A key part of this interview is that the USA, along with Israel, seek to negate international law along with international courts and the UN. Whatever they say is “non-binding” because we use the “rules based international order” that is not written down, but decided daily by the US State Department.
It’s a theme… Trudeau and Freeland (Rothschild flunkies) claimed that they had “another legal opinion” that justified the use of the Emergencies Act against the Truckers. Which the EA itself said didn’t qualify. A legal opinion they claimed they didn’t have to reveal due to Solicitor-Client privilege. And they didn’t reveal it, but are still in Minority power because another Rothschild toady controls the balance-of-seats NDP.
So the voting. tax-paying People of Canada have no right to know what some unstated lawyer said to the Canadian Cabinet.
Also despite the input from last living MP who debated and signed it into law, plus the explicit entries in Hansard ABSOLUTELY stating the EA should NEVER be used as Trudeau did. The law specifically designed to prevent what Trudeau senior did during the FLQ crisis, where people were kidnapped, killed and bombings were perpetrated. But honking horns, a few trucks parked where they shouldn’t have been, BBQs, hot-tubs, street hockey with kids and feeding the homeless was justification of Trudeau’s thuggery?
Seriously. This is how much “influence” the Rothschilds have on gov’ts. And Hillary and Lynn being best friends is not an issue, AIPAC and PNAC aren’t illegal foreign-influence pedlars.
Don’t look at those secret “Free Trade” agreements that had to be passed into law before the elected officials could look at them. And then there’s the WHO currently enacting BINDING Pandemic Regulations while Gaza and Ukraine burn as distractions.
Economic damage is certainly very bad. But Uncle can easily print money to cover that. Damage to some military bases is bad. But hey, that is just more contracts for American companies so nothing to complain about. But damage to reputation? For a bully, reputation is everything and is something difficult to repair once it shatters.
Looks like the bullying days of Israel are over. A few days ago I saw a video of a rat facing off a cat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfaQ-NUeLM) . Reminded me of poor little Yemen. Then I thought of Niger. And now this! The so called vibe shift (https://pliego.substack.com/p/vibe-shift) is real after all!
Biden gives his BFF planes and munitions. What does the US get in return? A genocide, the potential for high gas prices at the pump, continuing inflation and the opportunity to put US servicemen in harm’s way to defend a pariah’ state’s apartheid, racism, atrocities, war crimes, & ethnic cleansing. . As I US citizen and taxpayer, I want my money back, but all I can do is rant and rave.
Some things to consider:
1) Iran must have had a sense of confidence to do intiate the actions it has taken. It would be interesting to know, if Russia and China were consulted and aware before hand. It’s doubtful Iran acted in a total vacuum.
2) Two basic points were made; both address the idea of applying mass at the critical point:: a) the vulnerability of the Straits of Hormuz. Secratary of Defense Austin already telegraphed this type of concern when he he complained that Ukraine, by targeting Russian oil facilities, might negatively impact prices and thus Biden’s relection hopes. Iran has put a wedge intended to fracture the support of the US (and other allies) to Israel. and b) the targeting of Tel Aviv from multiple points which then converge on the city. The damage done is irrelevant. Tel Aviv is vulnerable to attack and Iran can apply mass to a critical point (?) somewhere with the city. However, analyzed, the threat is real. This could be a pyschological blow: Evacuate now before Tel Aviv begins to look like Gaza.
3) israel’s condundrum is that, no matter how hard it might strike back at Iran, if it cannot decapitate Iran’s ability to retaliate, then a maximum, as possible, strike will be returned in force, in turn, against Israel, which might put the survival of the State of Israel in jeopardy.
In my opinion, the ball is now in the people of Israel’s hands. Either change the trajectory of the leadership or suffer the consequences.
You have described the conundrum – Israel is now in a no-win situation, and the US too. The Us has said they won’t back Israel if they counter-strike, betraying a weakness, I believe. I think they pretty much shot the bolt defending against this fairly restrained Iranian attack, and know if they get involved in a larger one they’ll come out looking spectacularly bad, as they won’t be effective. Because they don’t have the capacity to stop large volumes of missiles, or the ability to stop the hypersonics, they will try to find an excuse to stay out of it. Israel, though, probably can’t help itself and will end up doing something stupid, likely because they’re desperate and suffering economically and practically from the reduced imports due to the Houthis.
This is all getting a life of its own, and Israel is probably going to try to draw the US in, albeit reluctantly, and the end result will likely be quite disappointing for both Israel and the US. As to costs/deterrence from escalation, Iranians, Russians, Chinese and about everybody else are getting near the point where they must feel it is cheaper and better to get this all over with, as in taking on the US/NATO now, because it’s coming one way or the other. Israel was a US outpost, and those typically fall first in a losing war.
The Strait of Hormuz is becoming a moot point. Saudi Arabia is no longer 100% in the US/ZATO orbit, so the Strait won’t be likely closed, the Saudi oil will just be shipped elsewhere than the US or Europe. China is a big market for oil in any currency that US$ I hear. The UAE and Oman aren’t going to pull a “Houthi”.
Among everything happening, I don’t think I’m far out on a limb to say the the UAE want to stay well out of anything, as they enjoy being a place awash with more money than humans can comprehend.
Whereas, say, in Yemen, it’s more like “ya gonna shoot at us? go on, shoot at us, good luck, fuck it, what have we got to lose?“.
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Just curious, but can someone please explain what this ^^^ is about? Some type of Bot?
Good question. I’ve wondered about these indecipherable “comments” too.
Courtesy Czech translation. Larry is global.
Thanks for the info.
Link to Larry’s article in Czech.
There is an inevitability to this that is very depressing. One of the best outcomes to this would seem to be a nuclear massacre in the middle Middle East that would snap the lunatics out of their dream world and make everyone get real.
Otherwise it’s global warming all around, and not the nice sort that they keep rabbiting on about.
Watching the end of the World in slow motion.
wow, preferring armageddon to a little heat
fortunately there are adults in the room and I would be very surprised if they didn’t have a way to neutralize Israel’s illegal arsenal pro-actively
That was a shot across Israel’s bow.
The image of Iran’s missiles flying over the Knesset cones to mind.
Iran had announced the attack on Israel in advance. Israel and the USA therefore had enough time to prepare their air defenses. It is impressive how “precisely” several missiles hit a target. SIMPLICIUS found these videos and recognized this fact immediately.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/iran-breaches-anglo-zionist-defenses?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1351274&post_id=143567052&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=25grc2&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
That was the most spectacular part of this attack. I have not yet seen any verified images of “serious” damage. But I see that as secondary. I suspect that the level of damage was not the priority, but demonstrating Iran’s capabilities. Secondly, there is a psychological effect that should not be underestimated. Many of the bloodthirsty Israelis have certainly soiled their pants. Some of their arrogance should now be gone.
Ah, before I forget. I would like to add something else.
Russia and Iran have impressively demonstrated the capabilities of their missiles, hypersonic weapons and drones. Russia in Banderastan.
Iran’s first direct attack on the aggressor Israel. European NATO politicians and their court reporters in the mainstream media continue to escalate because of their impunity to date. The problem really seems to be that they are so stupid as to believe their own propaganda.
Just imagine if Russia were to use its capabilities on NATO territory. These warmongers have nothing they could effectively do about it. No one in Europe has the kind of air defense that Israel has. But even this cannot prevent anything. If Russia feels they have no other choice and must take action against NATO territory, then I suspect energy supplies are a priority. Easy targets and the European energy network is very sensitive. The fact is that (for example) Germany takes 3 years to build a few kilometers of highway and 14 years to build a small bridge. Many months without electricity would break NATO Europe’s neck. God forbid it should come to that. Because the secondary consequences would certainly kill tens of millions of people in Europe.
and this is how it will go if the nutcases masquerading as politicians keep escalating.
There will be not a single casualty, and after Ramstein, Mons, the 5 nuclear sites and a few major powerplants are gone, Europe will unconditionally surrender. they will take days for what takes the Ukraine months.
One condition of the surrender will be the handing over of all the war criminals.
“Many of the bloodthirsty Israelis have certainly soiled their pants. Some of their arrogance should now be gone.”
Think of it as a form of psycho defibrillator for criminal hysteria. It will be required again in due course as and when Netanyahoo needs some domestic management strategy.
“I suspect that the level of damage was not the priority, but demonstrating Iran’s capabilities”
I partially agree with that, although from what I can gather about what really happened (outside the US propaganda “news” bubble), it does seem very clear that Iran was very specific about hitting targets that seem to be directly related to the attack on their consulate in Damascus.
So if there was a “message”, I think it was something like “if you do X to us, we will hit you back exactly where it was involved in X, and if you keep being outrageous and stupid, we will have no hesitation in ramping this way up“.
The Negev IS NOT “occupied Palestine”.
The Golan was taken in 1967 because the Syrians kept shelling northern Israel from its heights since the war of Israel’s independence.
Israel’s current brutality, even criminality, does not white wash generational Arab/Islamic terror/assassinations. While Egypt and Jordan came to accept that the Hebrew people were in their ancestral land to stay, the “axis of resistance” adamantly refuses to contemplate their right to the land; ergo, their only solution is to “drive Israel to the sea”
Israel’s present “madness” – government and people alike – can easily be explained by having lived in a permanente state of war against terror within and bitter enemies without for generations now. Those US, European and other armchair “pundits” that pontificate about Israel’s cruelty should suppose themselves to be in equal circumstances in their own countries, for generations… and then judge Israel.
And those Israel haters – mostly haters of the Hebrew people per se – may know that Israel is on its land FOR GOOD.
~ The realties noted above do not absolve Israel’s past and present crimes; likewise, Israel’s enemies, domestic and foreign, cannot be absolved by their own suffering. And these points are not made out of natural sympathy for a people, since the Hebrew people, as a people, are not likeable, either by God or man ~
(Russia rightly gives itself the justification to push nazi Ukraine back to a line that will impede them from shelling/bombing Russian territory indefinitely – that’s what Israel did in 1967 on the Golan, and what they attempted to do in Southern Lebanon later)
Down-tick.
Yes, I agree. And so, where has the easy feedback button gone? Has the host swallowed some Woke theory on the virtues of denying readership expression? At least it still works on the X12 blog.
“And so, where has the easy feedback button gone? Has the host swallowed some Woke theory on the virtues of denying readership expression?”
The feedback button was worse than WORTHLESS. I’d give a commenter an up-vote and it would register as ten down-votes. The up-down vote system threw the whole comment page out of wack and Larry removed it for the better.
Ok, got it. The technology in use is not best, it seems.
The phenomena you describe is because in the time since the last screen refresh of the page by YOUR computer, others had down-voted the post you upvoted. When you voted, the screen refreshed and all votes to that moment were transmitted to your screen. No mystery, not malfunctioning tech, not censorship.
Just a bandwidth-saving reality, simply not refreshing every reader’s screen every time someone votes. I’d guess a similar situation for posts appearing. A practical version of “the Universe doesn’t revolve around you”.
But you can carry on blaming software bugs, Larry or Satan, whatever…
I call bull.
No comment got 11 down-votes in the short time I made one up-vote refreshing the screen. Also, I have never seen this happen on the dozens of other sites I have up or down-voted on over the last 15 years.
It’s a shame you’re back. After you getting your feelings hurt I was hoping you’d be gone for at least a few weeks.
“…the Universe doesn’t revolve around you…”
Congratulations A.P. You’ve become the male version of the persnickety know-it-all Nellie Olson character from Little House on the Prairie:
Get some new material… and a mirror.
As for the functioning of the vote system, you’re entitled to your opinion, but your position holds no water. Blaming Larry or his staff for vote censorship is actual bullshit, he puts up with the rest of your extremist crap.
I never “left”… I DO have a real life, and winter is when I have time to burn in verbal jousting. It’s fun, but other things are more fun.
“I DO have a real life…”
I wish you’d go back to it permanently.
“Blaming Larry or his staff for vote censorship is actual bullshit…”
Who’s blaming Larry?
Or his staff?
You’re the Only Person who brought Larry’s name into this thread to claim I’m blaming Larry for a voting system glitch when I am not.
“…he [Larry] puts up with the rest of your extremist crap.”
There’s your mirror moment
A.P.Nellie.Now give us your best Nellie Olson face:
We’re even then.. I don’t care that you don’t care… so take your own advice.
You might as well post NEENER NEERER NEENER, I know you are but what am I… FFS, are you 5 years old?
Actually no, rc123 said below:
“I’m sure the host less than impressed.”
So maybe READ (you admit you don’t) before you shoot off your mouth. Y’know , that examination before contempt thing?
And the accusation that I’m somehow overstepping Larry’s boundaries is a staple canard of the Cancel Chorus.
As adults, Larry and I can disagree about religious issues, but we agree on each other’s right to hold those views. He has multiple times openly stated IN THE COMMENTS that I have the right to voice those views in the manner I do.
You on the other hand… HAVE been spoken to by Larry about the content of your posts.
Yes, yes and yes!
I will pipe up and say what I suspect speaks for a few people in inviting both of you guys to shut the fuck up with your petty 12 year old squabbling.
Especially as each of you manage to occasionally write something worthwhile (even if both also manage to be seriously annoying and display some fundamental problems with yourselves).
Please spare readers from all this “oh yeah! sez you!” bullshit.
Thank You So Much,,JL
Eagan!
He’s talking about you too…
Then why doesn’t he mention me?
Because at this point you’re a minor player at best… The bully always needs a toady or two. Ya gotta up your game to get noticed. Then banned.
“He’s talking about you too…:”
No. I wasn’t.
Sorry for speaking out of turn, I’ll take your stated position into consideration going forward.
As I told many of his now-absent predecessors, I’ll stop when he stops. But I will not knuckle under to the Cancel Chorus. Forcing them to ever more extreme attacks serves to undermine their slickly presented half-truths and emotion-charged offerings.
I don’t find any of his positions convincing, almost without exception can be easily proven without merit with a simple search. And he persists with those positions, merely trying a different vector each time. Vietnam, Pakistan, US-natives, Ottomans, to “prove” Israel is justified.
The “personal anecdotes”are particularly telling, but generally appear when his primary position is exhausted or exposed.
If he can’t provide better references, his posts deserve to be thoroughly critiqued, and where necessary, debunked.
His quick slide into ad hominem, instead of factually defending, or gracefully conceding, the point, says he has no defence for his position.
This is just the latest attempt to fill the comments with trash to obscure reasonable posts.
Certain people abused so badly it so Larry took their toy away. Extremist Mob Virtue Signalling, seems you were in on it IIRC.
Wonder why I detect some hostility in your anal passive aggressive attack? You obviously do not remember correctly. And I spent 20+ years in frontline IT since the 1970’s, jerk. And I know exactly how the system works — when it is designed correctly. It seems a simple ‘like’ feature works in most other internet fora. This one not so, if your comment is correct. Letting a feature be abused is a system bug. So, for the record, I was not in on “it” — whatever “it” is in your view. So, let’s leave it there — and please refrain from your bad habit of ad hominin. I’m sure the host less than impressed. I don’t think I bothered to respond the last time your psychic odor came through the ether. And this is a one off. Add value or FO (and the “O” stands for off).
up-tick.
Up tick thrice!
I apologize if you were not party to the voting issue. But a large number of people were, and those most culpable complained the loudest. I made an assumption based on your “style” of your other posts, and I should not have. Indeed, your posts speak for themselves.
I primarily replied to Martin on the technical side, so your tech background is largely irrelevant.
The abuse was not Larry’s, nor the software’s “fault”. It was the deliberate choice of those who sought to use social pressure to drive posters they disagreed wth from the Comments. Nothing more, nothing less.
I see “upticks” are the latest strategy… but the anonymity aspect in the voting system is gone.
Your continued overt ad hominem shows your inability to separate person from issue.
Again, Larry has NEVER called me out on ANY posts I have ever made, publicly in the Comments or via private emails. So you can lose that misapprehension once and for all.
up-vote
Absolutely!
I see you’re back, hall monitor…
Any Person has got your measure. And the chorus…
So true!
Naturally, you gloss over the fact that all ‘Israeli’ land is stolen land, and that this so-called ‘state’ was built on ethnic cleansing and mass murder. If Israelis can make a claim for ‘ancestral land’, then the Ukrainians have no cause for complaint, Native Americans are legally entitled to claim the USA, etc. etc.
“Naturally, you gloss over the fact that all ‘Israeli’ land is stolen land, and that this so-called ‘state’ was built on ethnic cleansing and mass murder.”
The same applies to almost every, if not every, nation on the planet: the USA, Canada, Australia, England, France, Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.
The bottomline is that “Might make Right.” It is the reason why the world’s borders lay where they lay. Israels big mistake was, as a new nation, in not throwing every Muslim out of Israel the same way their surrounding Muslim neighbors threw every Jew out of their countries.
You don’t see Jews today stirring up problems in Muslims countries the way that Muslims do in Israel. It’s because Muslim nations did what Israel failed to do – Muslims removed their problem while Israel didn’t.
Israel’s past weak-willed dealings with Muslim Palestinians has led to this moment. It would have been much easier for Israel to have thrown the Palestinians out back in the 1940’s than it is now.
I have no love lost for Muslims (and Jews for that matter) who would NEVER care about my suffering, who on 9/11 cheered the murder of 3,000 Americans and made hero’s out of the Muslims who murdered them.
Palestinians have shown the world that they applaud the murder of non-Muslims by Muslims, I therefore care zero for them, less than zero.
But, but, but….”The children! The children!” you cry?
Let the two-billion, dozens-of-countries strong Muslim world take the Gazans in and give them comfort. The filthy rich Saudis, Qataris, and Kuwaitis can pay for it all.
Saudi Arabia has plenty of empty space where they can build these life-long-welfare Palestinian deadbeats a place to call home. But, of course, the Saudis want there “Muslim brothers and sisters” even less than Israel
Palestinians celebrate mass murder on 9/11:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuL4NVZog1g
None of the former placeholders in the places you offer have managed to convince great swaths of the world that God Promised them a particular piece of land many 1,000s of years ago. Are the Celts butchering the current populations of Europe because their Gods’ supposed promises? That the Romans took away? Comparing apples and chainsaws?
Again, why do we give a rat’s ass what a small sliver of 0.02% of the world’s population thinks?
The rest is just thinly disguised religious bigotry, openly promoted by the 0.001% Rothschild Class. The whole mess because endless generations have been indoctrinated from birth, or gaslighted, coerced as adults, into believing My God’s better than your God…
Bullshit. Your next most favorite word
after your most self gratifying intellectual endeavor, calling everything you look at “religious bigotry”. A rat’s brain at large.
Well what do you call blaming everyone except the Zionists and their toadies who are actually responsible for the problems in Gaza/Palestine, outright denying obvious facts on the ground?
Using religion to justify violence against unarmed civilians, see Nutty-yahoo admitting he was quoting the Torah. (exact same verses in the Christian Old Testament) Even the couldn’t-run-a-piss-up-in-a-brewery ICJ sees it, why can’t you and Martin?
There’s a name for it, even if you won’t admit to it… in YOUR rat’s brain. Religious bigotry.
Do you need to be reminded about the last poster who went down the road you and Martin are on? It’s not me testing Larry’s patience.
You keep talking about your “road”. Why aren’t
you on your road out of here. What great thing are you adding with your one track mind to all the second guessings and malodorousness attached
to your going? So long. It has not been good to know you!
Go ahead, complain to Larry, the Contact page is there for that purpose. Many have done so before you and all but a couple of the Cancel Chorus that preceded you are gone.
It’s not MY road. It’s the road so many before you have travelled to no avail. Like clockwork, the same old tactics, ad hominem, gaslights, threats, mis-dis-info-noise… it’s all been tried, numerous times. I think Larry lets bonbon stay so readers can see what irrational noise distraction looks like. Makes others’ posts look all the better.
Otherwise, the problem children are gone, I’m still here.
I have no complaints to make to Larry. It’s his web
sight. I have total
Respect for Larry, his morals, his beliefs and his truth telling. I have followed him for quite a while.
I have no understanding of your destructiveness, your lies, and your
psycho ideas. Please leave me out of it. Please stop and desist.
So pretending to be the oh so vulnerable victim… also been tried before. Shall we call you a WHAAmubulance?
More ad hominem. Psycho? You mean I didn’t knuckle under?
I’ll stop when you stop… As I repeatedly told your absent predecessors.
If you’ve been following this site for “quite a while”, you already know that what you are attempting won’t work.
You are really Crazy. You belong in a mental institution for the Paranoid. God help us all!
The “psycho” angle been tried, get new material. id the WHAAmbulance show up yet?
And if God shows up because of my posts here, it’ll be a first ever anywhere.
Where is your “morality” now, Karpatok?
What do you mean? Whose morality? As far as I am concerned there is only your
meaningless morality universally applicable and without the spiritual backing of a higher power.
Has God “helped” you yet? I guess it’ll take a bit longer than the few seconds between your posts… a few thousand years maybe?
So we’re back to you providing proof your God exists… a perennial favourite.
Maybe your character is not strong enough to act morally without the Big Sky Daddy threatening to take away your I OBEYED Eternal Ticket to Heaven, but some of us don’t need that to live morally.
Morally? You? According to what? According to how your Ass feels?
According to the family I have, my friends and associates, who know I am a scrupulously honest and forthright person.
According to the society I live in. Never had more than a traffic ticket. Always got a refund on my taxes, never tried to cheat.
I apologize if I wrong someone, as rc123 and others here can attest to.
According to the bosses who tried to gaslight and coerce me into compromising my ethics. When I walked away and found more suitable employment. Their loss. Mostly they had to replace me with two people.
Those morals and ethics?
If you treat your so called family
the way you treat and have obviously treated people in the past on this site then you are a loser right there. So why don’t you man up and stop your low behavior. You owe a lot of people apologies for your hostility and meaningless, destructiveness. You are not an innocent twelve year old. Get with it and clean up your act
RIGHT HERE!
You can read whatever you please into what I write, doesn’t make it real or true. You trade in emotion, not fact.
More ad hominem doesn’t make your case stronger, it diminishes your credibility.
Your temper tantrums are of no consequence, only serve to demonstrate the paucity of your position. I merely offered you the brush and the paint you used to trap yourself into this corner. You could have decided to act differently than you did. YOUR CHOICE, your consequences.
Come back when you have referenced information to post.
AP,
Let me ask a question. What type of evidence would you accept as proof that there is a God?
LJ
The same type, independence, repeatability and detail of proof that is demanded by Fundamentalist Believers for things like Evolution/genetics, Relativity, Cosmology.
Proof that doesn’t rely on the Abrahamic-based Texts, or the derivative theological and cultural ideological writings that also don’t provide any hard, verifiable information.
Again, I have no problem with having Belief or Faith when the ultimate “I don’t know” question is eventually asked. I don’t know if some sentient being is responsible for creating the Visible Universe (and everything beyond it).
But it doesn’t seem that Being is directly involved in what happens on Earth, let alone communicates with or directs humans. Even Orthodox Putin said he “doesn’t think that’s the way it works”. Gaza demonstrates that the de rigueur “loving” Christian/Abrahamic God doesn’t care about his Muslim believers. Or the 1/2 million dead Iraqi children that Albright said were “worth it”. Or the 1/2 million ostensibly Christian Ukrainian soldiers that apparently were also “worth it” to Graham. i see far more human, Earthly causes for those horrific Crimes Against Humanity.
But when the noisy Fundamentalists who lead from the pulpits, Bible studies and in Comment sections to generate votes for self-proclaimed Zionist politicians state they “don’t believe in Evolution”, that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, that the Universe was literally created in 6 days, I have to wonder about their ability to discern reality from fantasy. And that’s a sliding scale, with Believers, and their political leaders of varying levels of devotion, picking and choosing which bits of the Abrahamic religions apply to their world-view. And then there’s the McMorrows of the world, where everything in the KJV is literally fact. Or meaningful Allegory to be slavishly adhered to when faced with irrefutable fact to the contrary.
The the Abrahamic-based scriptures (or any religious scriptures) being used to implement actual and de facto theocracies has never worked out well. Crusades, Inquisitions, Pogroms, head-chopping and wars resulted. I’m sure the same is true in cultures where non-Abrahamic religions were used to cement political and military power.
All sides of the current wars claim God is on their side.
So the Abrahamic God is like the Rothschilds, playing all sides for an agenda that doesn’t actually benefit the players who die and have their societies destroyed? Say it ain’t so…
That God exists as portrayed, even somewhat, in the Abrahamic-based Texts is the fall-back position of all Believers and Apologists, who invoke God as acting on Earth, today, in some way that materially affects world events. And we should all OBEY… or else.
If this God effect is so predominant as claimed, it should be easy to show. Especially after 2,000-3,000 years that Judaism and it’s Christian branch has been operating.
Information, not belief or faith, please.
“Information…. please.”
There is plenty of information in the gospels of the NT. The question is whether it is credible and entitled to weight as evidence.
From my point of view the logic of Christian belief is as follows:
1. Christianity is either true or false.
2. It is true, if and only if, Jesus rose from the dead, because that vindicated what he said about himself and resurrection doesn’t actually happen by nature so resurrection proves a supernatural power.
3. Whether he rose from the dead is what lawyers call a question of fact. It either happened as an actual historical event or it didn’t. If it didn’t then Christianity is untrue.
4. How do you prove an historical fact?Answer – look at the evidence for and against the purported event. This evidence to be worth anything needs to be something like eye witness reports from credible witnesses who knew him.
5. Conveniently eye witness statements of evidence have been left to us and they have been gathered together with other documents to make up the Christian New Testament.
6. On balance these offer credible evidence first because there is not a scintilla of contradictory evidence, like “actually we produced the body and this is what happened to it. ( It is of course much easier to disprove a resurrection than to prove it, and nobody has ever disproved it), and secondly because the witnesses had every incentive not to say this (because it got them killed and persecuted for saying it when of they had shit up they could have led much more comfortable lives) if it was untrue.
7. It follows that the evidence is credible weighty and uncontradicted. Forensically the case is proved.
That’s the logic for me.
Others may take a different view, which is their civil right as against me. But it is as well to remember that we can have no rights at all against a Creator God.
Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit… Like Martin admitted also, you don’t read what you disagree with. Logic? Self-referential, circular, tautology, logical-fallacy. None are acceptable “proof”, and I won’t waste my time on a point-by-point analysis you’d ignore anyway.
I said, near the TOP of my post:
“Proof that doesn’t rely on the Abrahamic-based Texts, or the derivative theological and cultural ideological writings that also don’t provide any hard, verifiable information.”
So thanks for admitting it, you’ve got nothing…
“l won’t waste my time….”
Of course you won’t. That’s because you have no answer to what is argued. It’s like a witness being unable to give a straight answer to a fair question. You know he’s hiding something and what you are hiding is the embarrassment of the emptiness of your position.
Your standpoint is that witnesses that actually conclude that Jesus did rose from the dead are not independent and are of no value. This a flawed methodology designed to protect your unsound position.
Frankly old chap l think I’ve got you on the run.
The word you are looking for is ethics…
Setting up a colonial settler state in the 20th century was very different to 300 years ago. Agreed. Most people would see that as a sign of progress.
As far as “might makes right” goes, you should be careful what you wish for. As Israel loses its military edge over it’s neighbours, that rule might not work well for them.
Oh, and by the way. Many Palestinians are Christians.
“As far as “might makes right” goes, you should be careful what you wish for.”
It’s not that I wish for it, wishing has nothing to do with it. It’s that I accept it as being cold, hard, factual reality. It’s why the USA has been able to pull the sh*t it’s been pulling around the world since the end of WWII.
Ask the Vietnamese.
And yes, when Israel is weaker than its enemies and, consequently, loses a war against those enemies it will disappear from the face of the earth. That’s the cold hard reality of the situation.
America, always backing Israel up in their fights, has been Israel’s greatest strength. But it looks like those days of automatically backing Israel up are almost over.
As for Palestinian Christians, I know that Muslim Palestinians treat them like sh*t just as the Muslim Pakistanis treat Christian Pakistanis like sh*t. It’s the same with Christians in Egypt, Nigeria and wherever Muslims outnumber Christians in the world.
I’ve always wondered why it was Muslims the West was taking instead of Christians as refugees. The Muslim refugees could go to the Muslim world while the Christian refugees could come to the West. Obviously, that made too much sense. Our worse-than-useless so-called “leaders” had different plans.
Ten up ticks! Thank you.
Any more ticks and you’ll have to take your shoes off to count them.
But then there’s this…
https://tickkey.com/how-it-works/
“Ten up ticks!”
That’s a pleasant change of pace. I’m used to getting clobbered here.
Almost every comment I make is based on personal experience and earned knowledge, some of it hard earned. None of my commentary is based on Critical Race Theory or pie-in-the-sky, everybody-is-the-same, kumbaya BS.
I appreciate that you understand where I’m coming from, that you even agree with some of my posts.
It’s nice to know that I am not just shouting uselessly into the wind.
Oh, you are uselessly shouting into the wind, you just refuse to recognize the fact. Most people would not draw the “lessons” from your personal experiences as you apparently do.
Mainly you seem to paint entire cultures due to seeing the worst of a few individuals. And yet you claim to have no issues with those cultures, while in the next breath make wildly extreme judgements of those cultures. Exactly what Larry clearly stated he didn’t want to see in the Comments.
You’re attracting some “ticks”all right. This should help.
https://tickkey.com/how-it-works/
Driving Palestinians of all non-Zionist stripes to seek refuge in already poor neighbouring countries WAS the plan.. all the easier to destabilize them too.
Pointing out the religious bigotry in other parts of the world does nothing to shift blame from what Nutty-yahoo et.al. (merely the last in a long line of Zionist thugs) are doing.
Nobody bought your Vietnam attempt, so now it’s Pakistan.
Or the Zionist, Jewish and Christian, could get their brains into the modern world and forget all that “God Promised” bullshit. At least until God shows up and actually does what they CLAIM to believe he will. Then they can say “told ya so”. But until God actually shows up…
the genocidal actions of the anglosaxons mostly went unpunished, but look at London and you see how it is coming around.
After the Westphalian peace, which is quite a while back, rules of engagement were agreed and by and large adhered to – not in the colonies, though.
After the madness of Hitler, much of that was further codified into int’l law. Under these rules, Israel is guilty as hell and it time to have the filthy rich ‘muricans and co take in the mostly genocidal population of Israel. The few decent ones will be ok among muslims they way they were for centuries.
If the US and mostly NY finance the genocide on your people, I’d like to see your response if they get their comeuppance.
“…filthy rich ‘muricans…”
The USA is in debt up to its eyeballs.
“…take in the mostly genocidal population of Israel.”
Yeah, we’ll get stuck with the majority of Israelis.
If these millions of Jews are half as smart as they are touted to be (all those Jewish Nobel Prize winners!) they’ll do wonders for the American economy…but I won’t be holding my breath on that ever happening, of them being a great boon to the quality of American life.
Though, I hope I’m wrong.
Still, I’d prefer five million Israelis over the last five million’s worth of third-world riff-raff “refugees” that have crossed our southern border over the last few years and gone straight to welfare.
That would be adding more feces to that huge diverse shit pile that is there already!
Before the Zionists came, along with all their religious claptrap of divine right and mandate from heaven, Christians, Jews and Muslims lived together in Palestine in relative peace.
Now you justify all the war and bloodshed, death and destruction the Israelis brought with them with a might makes right argument.
Tell you what hall monitor, I need a new place to live. How about I come over to your house and just take it over. God’s on my side, he said it’s mine, so why not — I want a new house. Think you might fight back? Go for it. I’ll come prepared.
And the law? Aw hell, I’ll bribe the law to look the other way. Those I can’t bribe, I’ll blackmail. And the honest ones? Accidents and street crime happen all the time.
Maybe I’ll be nice and simply lock you up, confine you to a single room in your…, oops!, my divinely ordained home and feed you scraps from my table. Think that will satisfy you?
Or you could just go away… like you want the Palestinians to do.
I like the native American tradition of naming people based on identifiable physical and personality traits… perhaps you ought be known as Snake-in-the-Grass.
Also ten upticks. Is it even yet?
“Before the Zionists came…Christians, Jews and Muslims lived together in Palestine in relative peace.”
That’s a lie.
The Muslim Ottomans could kill the Jews at any time they wanted, with complete impunity, and the infidels (Christians & Jews) knew it. Peace based on pure fear, along with accepting you are forever at the absolute bottom, isn’t much of a peace now is it. It’s the same as saying that black slaves in the Deep South lived in “relative peace” with their white masters and their white slave drivers.
It’s downright laughable.
Seeing that you started your comment based on a huge lie, I quite reading after that.
Do better next time and maybe I’ll read your entire comment.
P.S. Read Mark Twain’s observations of the Muslim treatment of Jews in Ottoman-ruled Palestine when he was there. Mark Twain said, to the effect, that there is a no more miserable existence on earth than living as a Jew in Palestine.
Prove your assertion true, Snake-in-the-Grass…
It’ll take more than an anecdote from Twain. Perhaps, if you want to quote Twain, you should begin with The War Prayer.
You’ve been corrected on this canard before. You are choosing to look at the last of a dying Empire, when the issues you state were becoming more prominent. The fact is that Jews in the middle Ottoman Empire had a great deal of autonomy, and the strife began as the Ottomans lost power and the inevitable infighting began anew. The Jews perhaps got too used to being in charge and though THAT was the time for the 3rd Temple to be built… same shit, different day.
ALWAYS CHECK YOUR SOURCES… two independent as a minimum.
Again, Mark Twain was a man of his time, no reason we should take his absolute word for things over 150 years later.
“Conclusion
Mark Twain is a renowned American author whose contribution to American literature is immense. On the other hand, what he wrote is filled with dangerous stereotypes, racism, antisemitism, and in many cases contradictions. It’s misleading to quote him and to make him an authority about the region based on his brief trip. Israelis and Zionists are the best operators in spinning events to their advantage, and quoting Mark Twain out of context is a classic example of this.
Ironically, those same Zionists who propagated this myth omit many of Mark Twain’s anti-Semitic remarks, and selectively quote what furthers their political agenda, he stated in 1898:
“Concerning the Jews, the Jewish race [as having an] unpatriotic disinclination to stand by the flag as a soldier . . . If the concentration of the cunningingest brains in the world was going made in a free country . . . . , I think it would be politic to stop it. It will not be well to let that race find out its strength.” It should be noted that Mark Twain was not ashamed of such talk; he was proud. ”
https://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Articles/Story845.html
More:
https://hyperallergic.com/400528/how-a-mark-twain-travel-book-turned-palestine-into-a-desert/
And never forget the father of modern terrorism was the Israeli Stern gang. Who waged war on women and children. They are the true founders of the genocidal nation of Israel. So, Israel has not changed at all.
Israel only has a right to exist alongside a Palestinian state, or as part of a binational single state. It has no right to exist as an apartheid state that oppresses the folk who have lived there for thousands of years.
There is a good reason many settlers look more like Woody Allen than Omar Sharif: They are not semitic people, and if they wish to live there they will have to integrate into the region.
The fact is, the Two State Solution – which was supported by the rest of the world – was Vetoed into oblivion by the US over the last 3 decades and it may be too late.
That “right” to the Jews having any claim on any of the Middle East is a figment of the Jewish and Rothschild imagination, made “real” by the Balfour Declaration and UN Resolution 181. Otherwise it would just be the collective delusion of Believers in the AbrahamicTexts. Unfortunately backed by the military/political power of Empires of Lies, first British, then US/ZATO.
Oh Boy! Two upticks for the first half of comment and two downticks for the second half. Are we getting anywhere with this yet?
Or is it all just a hill of beans? Is all this
commentary second guessing Larry just a ‘
“hill of beans” as in Blah, blah, blah. “Look
at me. I’m so important.! Such a fng
fantastic intellectual.
Oh please excuse me. Just the opposite.
I know what you’re heading for, even if you don’t…
No “second guessing”, it’s happened before and you’re “just rhyming” with the history.
Still playing at the “social proof” game, screeching on as if the rest of the world agrees with you. The Cancel Chorus you’re trying to rebuild here isn’t going well. A majority of 2 it seems, can’t vote, or easily post, from multiple devices anymore. Sockpuppeting ain’t what it used to be…
Oh my goodness. I just don’t
have the intellect to comprehend what you are talking about. You are just too
far above me and in such a
superior position being backed
up by Larry and his defense of free speech. Please be so kind as to define what you mean by
sock puppeting. I honestly have no idea. And really, how do you manage to foretell the future?
Are you really good at it? Is your
method astronomy or what?
Excuse me. I meant do you usu astrological charts, or do you have magical methods of divination for foretelling the future?
Ad hominem, the last resort of the intellectually bereft.
OOOHHHH, Sarcasm… and you’re the first troll to have tried that… The Onion is hiring, not that I think you’re even remotely good enough to make the grade.
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I’m not foretelling at all, just observing the course of events as played out by others doing exactly what you’re attempting.
Let us all know when you get some new material that hasn’t already been worn out here.
Excuse me, Mr. Know It All.
Just WHAT was played out
by others? Just What are you accusing me of attempting?
.
Your posts speak for themselves. All ad hominem, no fact. No referenced information. No rationally-backed opinion. Picking sides, avoiding stating and proving your own position.
Noise, personal attacks, distractions.
Troll behaviour.
1967? When Israel tried to sink the USS Liberty, a communications ship with only small arms aboard and murdered or maimed over 200 AMERICAN sailors? An attack they tried to cover up “claiming” they mistook it for an Egyptian ship unitl the audio between the pilots and ground PROVED otherwise? The attack LBJ tried to whitewash so he could continue the buildup of troops in Vietnam? That 1967?
everything taken after 1967 and a lot taken before was taken illegally and the people from whom it was stolen are perfectly within their rights to resist and try to take it back.
Which they will.
The European lands you cite have mostly not been squatters on someone else’s land.
Arguing that this is the ancestral land of Khazans is rich anyways, but so is the whole argument.
Time to ask the guy in the sky for a new homeland. DC anyone – that would be fair karma for the US financing this crime.
“Hebrew people in their ancestral land to stay”. There is no Hebrew people. This term disingenuously promotes the false idea that the indigenous Semitic minority and the Turkic Khazarian majority are genetically related. And from this we then are supposed to extrapolate that the Khazarians have the same genetic right to occupy Palestine as the Semites and others whose ancestral lands these truly are.
Are there any confirmed satellite photos yet? Like when they hit the American base after Soleimani assassination?
Iran’s attack was a masterful game changer.
Simplicius makes the observation that in case of a nuclear attack by Israel, Iran could respond by attacking Israel’s nuclear power plant, or putting enriched Uranium on their missile heads creating a dirty bomb. Either would be devastating to a country the size of Israel.
The fact is, Israel has lost it’s military edge over it’s adversaries and will soon have to make serious compromises with the Palestinians or face extinction.
They have failed in Gaza and are failing in the wider region. Only Hashemite flunky Jordan and Bahrain stayed onboard for this campaign.
The clock is ticking.
Another point to bear in mind is the emigration problem. Many Israelis have dual citizenship and are now leaving. Having touted itself as the safest place in the world to be Jewish, it now turns out to be the most dangerous. Ben Gurion Airport is likely to get busier as a result of Saturday night.
“… Hashemite flunky Jordan” — that special breed of Dachshund was born and bred to lick ankles. Look how he personally and kind-heartedly pushed out a “let them eat cake” Gaza pallet for the media camera. Did a few days in Jordon in 1997 (Petra etc) and the taxi driver offered a ‘no stop’ drive around the CIA HQ — it was a serious Fort-sized construction. The Hashemite does not have much ‘free’ room to move. Like Egypt, they are all on ‘sit-down’ money in any case.
Here is a useful comment by Dedsisdead over at MOA
Too much facile shit being talked about king of Jordan. These hashemite sleazebags are saudi arabians who lost their gig in Saudi when the englanders agreed that control of Mecca & Medina should pass to the el-Saud family (it had previously been a hashemite gig for centuries). That left a moderately powerful in a regional sense mob of thugs without gig – no peasants to kick around and feed off like the parasites they are. So after the balfour sell out of Palestinians for their essential aid in pushing the Ottomans outta the ME so ‘anglo amerikan interests’ could grab control of ME oil, there was a chunk of Palestine left, a rump state if you will, so the englanders installed the Hashemites into it, who then satisfied they had a new bunch of peasants to parasite off took over ruling with violence & depravity from that day. The englander military has been involved on many occasions over the years to assist in the violent repression of the Jordanians nee Trans Jordanians nee Palestinians and the only reason the region has been kept relatively stable is that englanders persuaded the hashemites that they must allow these Palestinians a superior standard of living to their brothers, sisters and cousins across the border in occupied Palestine.
There is much trouble brewing on the horizon in that the hashemites retained control of al Aqsar the third most holy site after Mecca and Medina, that has been a big problem for the hebrews who reckon that they once had a rickety shack aka a ‘temple’ about halfway up the hill and on that basis claim the entire joint is theirs. Part of the abraham accord with Saudi was going to be that control of al Aqsar would pass the the el Sauds like the other two and that the Saudis would then turn a blind eye to its desecration by hebrew blow-ins. That can never happen now.
In addition the zionists claim Jordan as a part of ‘greater israel’ and that would leave the hashemite parasites with no host, something they do not countenance. I have no doubt that the reason the Jordanian king agreed to assist against Iran’s small payback was that the englanders told them that to refuse meant no more assistance repressing the masses otherwise.
Jordan has a vast secret police network and very busy torture centers but without englander assistance, they really have no chance of avoiding their inevitable come-uppance at the hands of the people when their security is next overwhelmed.
I was also in Jordan for a few days back in early April of 2003, it was as a “free” Royal Jordanian Airline stop-over between Bangkok and Madrid.
This was when the Americans had Baghdad surrounded but hadn’t yet moved in. I watched a pro Saddam Hussein demonstration in the middle of Amman: people burning American flags, chanting, etc. It happened immediately after the evening religious services: straight out of the mosque and into the streets to protest. The king allowed it as a way for the people to let off some steam, to prove he wasn’t a clamp-down dictator.
I’ll always remember the crowd shouting “Saddam!” “Saddam!,” “Saddam!” while holding up his large photograph. My girlfriend and I were in the middle of it. We got to a point where the chanting crowd was getting to the large line of policemen who were all decked out in riot gear, each holding a see-through plexiglass shield in one hand and a truncheon in the other.
My girlfriend got worried and, before I knew it, she was trying to climb a rain gutter pipe, I was surprised and amused to see this, though I immediately grabbed her hand and told her to stay with me. I quickly went to the line of riot police and signaled for them to let us, obvious foreigners, through. They knew the score and made an opening to let us pass through. In passing I remember one younger Jordanian policeman clearly checking out my girlfriend’s ass. She laughed when I told her about it later.
I remember the journalists who were in Amman always being bummed out that the protests never turned violent. A burning American flag was about as good as it got, which wasn’t enough to warrant their being there.
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The best part about being in Jordan at the beginning of the Iraq War was that when we went to Petra we had the whole place almost entirely to ourselves. When we visited I saw the register on our way out, there had been only 16 guests that day. It was like having Disneyland to yourself: no lines and no crowds.
Typing this has gotten the memories rolling:
I remember when we got off the bus that took us from the Jordan airport to Amman city I saw what looked like an old American long-haired hippy waiting to take the bus from the city to the airport.
I immediately thought of Westerners, who I’ve heard about during the war’s build-up, going to Baghdad as “Human Shields.” So I asked the guy at the bus stop point-blank if he was a human shield. He said that yes, it was his intention but that the Iraq border guards were shaking down the human shield wannabes for hundreds of dollars, dollars that he didn’t have so he was going home.
The old American hippy then asked how I knew that he was a human shield. I said, “You look like a human shield.” He gave me an odd look, not knowing if I was complementing him or insulting him, turned, and without saying a word, walked away. I then turned to my girlfriend and laughed.
Those corrupt Iraqi border guards, getting as much as they could before the country fell apart, might have very well saved that old hippies life.
Regardless, it was a weird introduction to the Middle East, a whole new part of the planet, after having just spent four solid months traveling the Asian byways and backcountry of Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, China and Laos.
Indeed. It was all quite in time I was there. Petra was not too busy but every now and again someone would call out “Israeli!” as someone wandered by. Aqaba was of interest for the history of Lawrence etc. We got stuck in the airport with the corrupt Jordanian Airlines “special deal” trying to get a seat (x2) out to London. Their system had conveniently ‘lost’ the connecting booking. Lol. I was not going to pay more, so a couple of ‘barbarian’ outrage counter-thumping theatrics as a pilot wandered past got us on a flight soon after. Some good Roman ruins in the north but Turkey was better in that department.
That sounds like a hijack!
LOL!
“…the corrupt Jordanian Airlines…”
They were on their very best behavior when I was there, my girlfriend and I were treated like gold. With near-zero tourism they were thankful for our presence. Same went for the Jordanian hotels where we were usually their only paying guests.
“Some good Roman ruins in the north but Turkey was better in that department.”
As for Roman ruins in Jordan, I saw the ones in Amman.
The Roman ruins I enjoyed the most were the ones I swam around and sat upon in the mineral hot springs in Pamukkale, Turkey. That was in December, low season, of 1985. The only people in the hot springs swimming among the ruins were my friends and I, we had all met by chance at our cheap hotel and taken an over-nighter sleeper train to Pamukkale from Istanbul.
Pamukkakle: It was colder and bleaker when I was there.
It is a sad day when you want to hear the Russian comment about the Iranian attack at the UN, when the only tv channel showing it is Al-Jaseera. Meanwhile, Israeli victims’ mouth-pieces (Israel is always the victim) appear on every other tv channel at every newscast.
Judge Nap was going on about Jewish salesmen in uSA and Canada. They were offering Sea Front View Houses / flats in currently Palestinian land yo follow the conclusion of the genocide currently going on.
I’m guessing the Sea-Front View houses to be built, have dropped in price / in value a little.
Counting chickens and so on. Just saying.
https://johnhelmer.net/russian-assessment-begins-of-the-iran-operation-against-israel
Is worth a read.
My comments on it are,
“While you mention it in passing, I think the lopsided costs support the death by 1000 cuts meme.
More importantly, Israel is losing in Gaza and economically. They cannot sustain a war footing since so many citizens are called up or not able to work out of fear, as well as all those citizens not able to return to their homes and businesses on the Gazan and Lebanese borders. Add to that all those citizens who have left and want to leave. Their fear has spread to many more who saw the night sky lit up and heard the explosions
All wars are economic. War IS terrorism.
Israel Has to get the US involved and end Iran and Hezbollah. There WILL be more provocations.”
As always, very good analysis Larry.
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Israel has been “penetrated ” twice within a few months. On october on land by hamas and in April by air by Iran .
The country is now widely open to further penetrations and there is no return . The famous security of Israel has been breached and the whole population is now exposed to threats . Fear and anxiety are certainly growing and Israelis who have a second citizenship are evaluating moving out until “it gets better “. The country will need to import more Indians to fulfill the needed jobs to sustain that western colony in the Arab world . This artificial “club ” is bound to disappear and cracks are showing that it may soon
Iran is now acknowledging the use of hypersonics in the retaliatory operation stating:
All hypersonic missiles used in Iran’s strikes against Israel hit targets
Indeed you can see in the videos that a group of extremely fast missiles emerged from a cluster of conventional missiles just after air defenses finished targeting several of the conventional missiles. The hypersonics streaked down from the sky with an orange trail behind them and struck ground targets in tight groupings. It was a very well coordinated strike that exhausted air defenses just prior to the arrival of hypersonics.
The use of decoy drones was also a huge success, causing US and UK fighter jets to be led on a wild goose chase and expend costly air to air missiles. In all, the retaliatory operation was a complete success and the next operation with 1000s of missiles will no doubt cause large scale destruction.
When you invade a country, slaughter hundreds of thousands of natives who’ve been there for many generations and rename the invaded area I_____, as happened in 1948, you end up with what some call “karma.” When you do it again and slaughter tens of thousands including children in an effort to take still more land, well, I wouldn’t want to be near where this was done. Some major coming to senses needs to happen with a whole lot of people. A whole lot! Will it? We live in interesting times and lots of what is interesting isn’t pretty. There are many ways to relate with the Creator but following the dictates of psychopathic politicians and their masters isn’t one of them. Saying justly.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20240415/us-hard-pressed-to-react-as-iran-gets-complete-map-of-israeli-defense-capabilities-1117944044.html
“The US is always in complicated situations, and most of the time they can only blame themselves,” Dr. Marco Carnelos, a veteran Italian diplomat and former Middle East advisor to Prime Ministers Prodi and Belusconi, told Sputnik”
And Iran “has a complete map of Israeli defense capabilities.”
Gantz needs to rush to Number 10 for tea and advice – Must the show go on, PM Sunak?
Historians must write the Book of Five Kings :
Joe, Bibi, Abdullah, Charles, Volodymyr,
which Evangelicals can quote as Prophesy.
King Abdullah II of Jordan attended King Charles III Coronation, anointed with waters of the River Jordan.
And Caesar Bibius presented a map of Erez Israel with Jordan – best called Babylon II.
None of this is secret – has there just been a Greater Israel test?
“King Abdullah II of Jordan attended King Charles III Coronation, anointed with waters of the River Jordan.”
Did King Abdullah bring a few extra liters of Jordan River water for King Charles III’s holistic, pre-Coronation, colon-cleaning enema?
Hard to cleanse a colon with a head stuck up there blocking all access. But they are friends so they can work it out together.
Teamwork
Some insist that first there must be a peace deal, and only then can one talk of developing the physical economy.
Reality works quite the opposite way.
First plan the absolutely essential development that must happen, start on it, then peace becomes a working process.
The Oasis Plan :
Apparently I’m not particularly good at prognostication…
Israel Says Readying ‘Imminent’ Attack On Iran As Airlines Cancel Flights To Region
The Times of Israel top headline has switched to: War cabinet decides to hit Iran back hard, hopes it won’t spark regional war
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-france-germany-join-bidens-call-israels-restraint-while-russia-defends-irans-strike
Perhaps Bibi is that desperate, but didn’t think his cabinet was suicidal.
Israel, taking a cue from Sun Tzu (when weak appear strong, when strong appear weak), was only saber-rattling toward Iran and Hezbollah and would not directly attack Iran or invade Lebanon unless the US could be pulled into the fight… — Spanky
I think everyone’s crystal balls are on the fritz. I didn’t think Iran would respond so directly, so soon, but there it is.
“Predictions are hard, especially about the future.” Yogi Berra? Or was that Nostradamus…
Yogi… in his inimitable wisdom.
IDIOTS:
War cabinet said set on ‘forceful’ response to Iran, but one that won’t spark wider war
There’s a lot of grim faces at the Israeli war cabinet today (except one):
Note “product placement”.
Also- who’s “fuzzed out man”? (And why?)
There is much mention of the rift between Israel and the US. In this manner, what is an inter tribal dispute, becomes codified as a matter of nations. Then we all got skin in the game, except we don’t.
Iran is a very tough nut. I have war gamed the geography there several times. As Larry astutely points out, Iran has been burying assets for years against air and missile strikes. And an actual invasion? Look at the map. Gallipoli comes to mind. Not to mention if you try Iran? Christ, the Muj from Afghanistan will come to help as friendly neighbors.
You going to sanction them more? Does anyone even take sanctions seriously even more?
Iran is still there precisely because it is a tough nut to crack. And with a weakened and exhausted western world “manned” by transexuals of color? We could not have taken Iran back in the Desert Storm days. And we will not see that level of military readiness again in our lives.
With no surprise in any of it, it continues to be astonishing to see the outrageous conflict between the “news” here in the US versus the apparent reality that gets reported outside the propaganda bubble. Like, Simplicius (no doubt this link will show up more than once.)
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/iran-breaches-anglo-zionist-defenses
Compare to the piles of bullshit from CNN et al, including things like worthless statements from the President and DC about “Iran’s brazen attack” and so on. (Hello? Israel attacked the Iranian consulate in Damascus… which, really, considering the “rules” about absolute respect for diplomatic missions everywhere, no matter what troubles in the world, effectively counts as an attack on two countries at once, Iran and Syria.) Not hearing anything from DC about “rules based order” on that one, are we?
So far, I also have not seen anything from online punditry who turned out to be fully onboard with anything the Zionist cult does, who previously said things along the lines of something like “if Iran messes with Israel, they’ll find out what happens when Teheran is an ashtray ten minutes later!”.
Yeah, we’ll see how that goes.
By the way, in other related news:
German Police Shut Down Palestine Conferencehttps://consortiumnews.com/2024/04/15/german-police-shut-down-palestine-conference/
That seems like something that should be awfully embarrassing to any German. Especially twisted irony, the German police arresting Jewish people protesting what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza… you know, to stop “Antisemitism”, right? Let’s hear some more about “Western Values” and “freedom and democracy”, eh?
Also, in news most awkward from the UK, whatever the ruling class might want, the people are getting mighty fed up.
Revolt in Northern England: No Ceasefire, No Votehttps://consortiumnews.com/2024/04/15/revolt-in-northern-england-no-ceasefire-no-vote/
“German Police Shut Down Palestine Conference. That seems like something that should be awfully embarrassing to any German.”
Why more “awfully embarrassing” to Germans than to anyone else?
Oh, yes, Germans must keep their tail tucked firmly between their legs like a cowering dog for the rest of their existence because of Hitler.
Is that it?
It is this very thinking that has turned Germany into the nation of cucks that it is: A fake Muslim “refugee, a strapping 22-year-old male, rapes a 12-year-old blue-eyed German girl and won’t be deported after serving his slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence. Why? Because he might be harmed back in his no-nonsense home country for being a convicted rapist.
“Especially twisted irony, the German police arresting Jewish people protesting what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza…”
Because Jews are so “special” (God’s chosen people?) that the German police should never, under any circumstances, touch them?
This isn’t the Gestapo rounding up ghetto Jews. These arrested folk will get the same extremely light-handed treatment Greta Thunberg gets when she’s “arrested.” This is more BS theater than anything else.
“Let’s hear some more about “Western Values” and “freedom and democracy”, eh?””
When it comes to the loss of Western Values this podunk “Palestinian conference” getting shut down by the German police means next to nothing. Whiny, complaining, agitating, and (more often than not) welfare-lifer Muslim immigrants/refugees (and their Jewish lackeys) shouldn’t bring their old problems with them to Germany and stir up sh*t.
The GREATEST threat to Western Values in Germany and Europe is in their welcoming millions of Muslim so-called “refugees” (mostly fighting-age males who I saw, by the hundreds, hanging out in Brussels’ parks) who despise their Western Values, who are here only for the Western-provided higher-quality-of-life welfare, and who can’t wait for our Western Values to be replaced by their Sharia Law:
These Muslim immigrates/”refugees” know they’ll eventually get their beloved Sharia eventually, it’ll come with each European newborn Muslim baby.
I saw the population shift happen before my eyes. I saw it from my kitchen window during my decade of living in Brussels: lots of pregnant Muslim women in hijabs with two or three kids in tow, and few non-Muslim women with any children at all. The demographic charts make my observation crystal clear.
The problem with the German police is that they shouldn’t be wasting their time on whining Muslims and their stooges at a Palestinian conference, they should be guarding their borders and rounding up the deadbeat/criminal Muslims (and anyone else) in Germany who have brought nothing but misery and higher taxes to the German people.
I’m not just singling out Muslims: When the Ukraine War ends these same German police can roundup the noncontributing, welfare, criminal, or deadbeat Ukrainians who refuse to go back to their country and rebuild.
As for Northern England:
These despicable Labour Leaders, instead of concentrating on the Muslims in Gaza, need to crush their own Pakistani-Muslim rape gangs in Northern England. These English-Muslim-Pakistani gangs have raped thousands of English girls over the decades and are still raping them in large numbers to this very day.
But, of course, it’s far easier for Labour Leaders to critique Israel, to demand a ceasefire.
It takes a little courage and energy to actually do something productive for your own community, to go after England’s very own Muslim rapists (mostly Pakistani Muslim immigrants or their male descendants), someone might even call you an islamophobic racist for trying to end these Muslim rape gangs, you might get attacked by local Muslims who don’t like it when the “infidel” rubs their noses in their own filth.
This is exactly what happens when your Muslim immigrants gain political power in the West: They lets the Muslim rapists in their own towns off the hook while making a big stink over the treatment of Muslims by non-Muslims in a far off land (being in this case Gaza).
F them to the moon. I have nothing but contempt for these so-called “leaders” in Northern England, Brussels, and elsewhere. It is their policies that has ruined once-great Western nations causing untold misery to the people who have always lived there.
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It’s not just little European girls the Pakistani Muslims rape in England, they like little Sikh girls too:
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/pakistani-grooming-gangs-have-been-targeting-sikh-girls-in-uk-for-over-50-years-says-report
More from SensationalismR’us Martin.
You could have stated all that without the emotional overburden. But you count on those who might offer rational counterpoint being dissuaded from wasting their time picking the salient bits out of a rant intended to inflame rather than explain.
More like screed delivered at Marble Arch than rational discourse. But carry on…
I just read all that.
So, the general summary, is that apparently, German police do nothing about people who seemingly need to be clubbed over the head and left to rot in a jail cell, but then arrest Jewish people daring to protest the evil, death, and destruction brought upon the people of Gaza, and yet Germans have nothing to be deeply embarrassed about.
Your mental processes and general sense of morality are puzzling.
It is said history does not repeat but it rhymes. The same trick has been pulled with Iran as was pulled with Russia which was persuaded to appear to back down in Ukraine to get a life saving peace to everyone’s better end only for the west to start hooting about how weak Russia was. And then step up an offensive.
Iran is persuaded to make a dummy strike to bring it all to an end. And the west then crows about Iran being is a paper tiger and so ripe for overthrow. We. know how that trickery ended up for the west viz Ukraine.
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Actually Iran is 80 times larger than Israel.
1,600,000 square km vs 20,000 square km
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