Despite the arduous efforts of Israeli censors to hide the devastation Iran inflicted on Israel with its barrage of ballistic missiles during the 12-Day War, information is emerging that destroys the myth that Israel had an impregnable air defense. The map at the head of this article reveals the sites targeted by Iran. Based on the videos of strikes in Haifa and Tel Aviv, I think this map accurately portrays the massive scale of the Iranian attack. For the first time in its history, Israel took a major beating.
According to various Israeli media reports, damage spanned residential buildings, scientific infrastructure (e.g., labs at the Weizmann Institute in Rehovot), the Israeli Defense Ministry complex, and commercial hubs like the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange. Iran also struck a military target near the Soroka Medical Center in Be’er Sheva. The medical center was hit by the blast wave, which caused extensive structural damage, a chemical leak, and dozens of injuries. The Israeli press claimed this was a direct strike on Soroka, but the fact that no one was killed undermines that claim.
Iran also struck the following residential areas, reportedly targeting Israeli military and intelligence officials:
- Bat Yam: 9 killed, ~200 wounded; high-rise apartments destroyed.
- Ramat Gan: Nine buildings destroyed, hundreds displaced.
- Haifa and Tel Aviv: Strikes near military HQs (“Kirya”) and civilian neighborhoods.
Iran also caused extensive damage to the Port of Haifa and the Port of Ashdod (Note, I had no information on the latter when I posted yesterday.), as well as the refineries at Haifa and Ashdod. Israel has maintained a complete blackout on the damage to its military and intelligence facilities, but the sites identified on the map above indicate that Iran likely enjoyed similar success as that observed in Haifa and Tel Aviv.
The following brief video shows Tel Aviv — before and after. Israel got a taste of what it has done to the Palestinians in Gaza; it was a painful morsel.
Despite Donald Trump’s specious claim that the US obliterated Iran’s nuclear program, Israel’s Defense Minister Katz is telling a different story:
So, what will Iran do? According to Ayatollah Khameni, Iran will continue to enrich uranium. While the US and the IAEA will be stomping their feet and clamoring for Iran to give it up, I don’t think that Iran is in a charitable mood. Trump has painted himself into a corner by his insistent and repeated claim that the US strikes eliminate Iran’s uranium enrichment program. How can Iran surrender something that Trump says no longer exists?
CNN is reporting that Trump is offering Iran a deal that is likely to cause Bibi Netanyahu to have a stroke:
Personally, I find it incomprehensible that Iran would trust any deal offered by Trump in light of his betrayal of the previous negotiations — i.e., he allowed Israel to launch the decapitation strike on June 13 rather than postpone the action in order to continue talks, which were schedule for June 15. My advice to Iran is simple: Solidify your military ties to Russia and China, launch a massive counterintelligence campaign to identify and eliminate those elements collaborating with Mossad and Western intelligence agencies, replenish and harden air-defense systems, and build more ballistic missiles.
Iran’s situation reminds me of the scene from The Godfather, when Don Corleone’s sons debated about how to respond to the attempted murder of their father.
There is a critical difference… I am not advocating that Iran strike back, as did Michael, by killing Sollozo and the corrupt police captain. However, if there are any Iranian authorities who believe that Israel and Western intelligence agencies have given up on their dream of murdering Iranian leaders and collapsing the Iranian regime, they should be removed from office.
In Washington, the brawl between Trump and the intelligence community is not over. I anticipate that DIA, the CIA and the NSA will be producing additional intel that demonstrates beyond a reasonable doubt that Iran moved the enriched Uranium. Trump boxed himself in with this statement today:
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt had said on ABC News on Monday the U.S. was “confident” Iran’s nuclear program was “completely and totally obliterated,” noting there was a “high degree of confidence” the locations the U.S. strikes took place is where Iran stored its enriched uranium and that Iran “no longer [has] the capability … to threaten the world.”
But the Telegraph is reporting, thanks to Israeli sources, the opposite:
Donald Trump will demand that Iran hand over all its enriched uranium as the price for peace, according to Israeli sources.
A report ahead of next week’s US-Iran talks said the US is requiring the Islamic Republic to give up any nuclear fuel enriched to 60 per cent or more, which is near weapons-grade.
Maybe the Iranians have a mischievous sense of humor and will ask Trump’s negotiators, “How can we turn over something that President Trump said he obliterated”? At some point, I expect Trump will do one of his pivots and admit that Iran is hiding its enriched uranium.
I discussed some of these issues today with Garland Nixon:
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Why would Iran even listen to the Empire of Lies ever again let alone agree to let the US give them money to develop their nuclear industries while still demanding that Iran not enrich uranium on their own soil especially when Russia is already helping? Zion Don is the worst America LAST president in modern history.
Trump just makes the empire’s lies and pathologies that much more evident. He’s hardly any more deceitful or evil—or any more indifferent to the well-being of US citizens—than Biden, Obama, Bush, and Clinton. It’s only that he’s more obviously those things than they were.
While it’s mildly entertaining to speculate about damage and not, it seems trivial to conclude that the Iranian nuclear program was only mildly-to-moderately discomfited by the war. The scientists are replaceable, the sites repairable, the materials separated and hidden, but the lessons on diplomacy and character–those are irreplaceable, as they help to drive home that Iran cannot oppose the Western block without actually being part of its own block. Fully part of it.
Now, what’s really entertaining, however, is the trading of shots between Trump and his “team” and the various sides of the media-intelligence community. That is, the key to Trump’s approach is to lay down his “truth” and DARE anyone to say otherwise, lest there be Corleone-level consequences; see the ire directed at politically assassinating Massie. Massie’s “mistake” is not in opposing Israel or the MIC, but in standing up to Trump ahead of the Big Lie that Trump constructed to kick Netanyahu’s legs from under the escalation of the war.
So, if Trump is willing to spend time and money on savaging Massie, what will he do with and to the MIC elements raising objections to his Truth? Now… Massie is an easy target: he’s a guy without AIPAC support, however the consistent key element of Trump 2.0 is his insistence on loyalty to the administration. He’ll throw the book at anyone who reveals themselves to be more beholden to foreign interests than his own; they just have to leak or stand up and volunteer for that dressing-down.
So… this should be entertaining.
Trump is eager to pivot it seems. He just lashed out at Iran and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and wants to cancel all concessions he made just days ago. He also wrote some discombobulated rant telling the Israeli Justice Department to cancel all charges Netanyahu faces.
Trump is becoming unhinged now and is even more dangerous than before. The man is obviously in over his head and has surrounded himself with scared yes-man serfs. It’s a tragedy to watch.
Indeed. When I read his diatribes I’m reminded of a six year old boy having a tantrum. Pathetic, but also alarming. Apparently he can say literally anything and a sizable segment of America doesn’t even blush with shame or embarrassment. I wonder if there is such a thing as “narcissistic psychosis”. He’s becoming more unhinged as time passes.
Just my opinion, but Trump is showing signs of age related dementia. He cannot separate reality from the clown show that surrounds him. It will only get worse as time goes by.
Trump is clearly in significant age-related mental decline, but among the key problems are (1) we have no way of knowing the full extent of it given all the screens in place to obscure that decline, and (2) how to tease out that decline from Trump’s other pathologies including extreme narcissism, compulsive lying, overt sadism, and murderous psychopathy.
There’s also an entire propaganda industry in place to surround what any US president does with political language designed, as Orwell wrote, to make murder respectable. What do we suppose the percentage of US citizens is, who know that a US president causing or abetting a quarter of a million civilian deaths in a given year is a low figure?
As with Biden, there won’t be any meaningful analysis of Trump’s dementia aimed at enlightening the public even though the stakes couldn’t be higher.
Fact is, nobody outside of the Iranians knows what the damage is. I think it was CNN the other day claimed the centrifuges were intact. Of course no one asked how they could possibly know this.
The Americans have quite the task cut out for them:
Negotiating table?
B$30 for civilian nuclear energy
The schemes of the west are falling apart before they even get announced. There isn’t a genuine idea or plan anywhere, just more nefarious traps and silly tricks. Those $30B announced by the Trump administration to support Iran’s nuclear power program was to come from the Arab Gulf States!? It’s becoming a pattern now ever since Mexico was said to pay for the big beautiful wall. Absurd and insulting.
LARRY
Irritating about the BLOG is when you post videos with all the controls disabled.
One cannot go full size (when the video is almost to small to see).
Can’t download; Can’t get the original URL on BitChute.
Basically you are posting videos you can’t see without resorting to out-of-the-box actions.
Right-click to select “View page source”, or Ctrl+U.
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That will give you full screen if you paste the link into a browser.
To download it, there are a range of online downloaders, but I bought VideoProc Converter AI, which offers a full range of formats.
My friends, let me indicate one cultural-historical fact about the Persians, modern day Iranians, to take into consideration when discussing the Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI) or expressing frustration about them in terms of the current situation.
In. the post-1945 history of only the Muslim majority countries, 57 of them in the Organization of Islamic Co-operation (OIC), the largest single bloc of countries in the UN, only Iranians have successfully carried through a revolution in 1979 to establish for themselves under Ayatollah Khomeini an independent sovereign republic. I have put those three words in bold letters so that we may reflect upon the substantive meaning of those words. No other member-state of the OIC is in a similar position as is the IRI and this is why the Anglo-American/Zionist Empire is bent upon neutering and dismantling the IRI. And Iranians know this and, in my view, the majority of Iranians are sworn by their faith and culture to defend their republic, and will not compromise. They will stand behind their Supreme Leader, successor of Ayatollah Khomeini, chosen by their constitutional requirement regardless of what the discontented Iranians, largely those still in thrall of the West and who for their own reasons remain attached to the pre-IRI monarchy, express, and their discontent is amplified by the Western mainstream media.
In this context, one need to recall that Persia before WW1, and modern Iran post-1945 has a history of nearly 300 years of non-aggression, of wars ignited by Persian/Iranian state, against any of its neighbours. The last war which the ruler of Persia, Nader Shah, undertook against a neighbouring country / kingdom / empire was the invasion of the Mughal India in 1738. In my visit to Iran after the Iraq-Iran war of the 1980s, I was given a tour of the palace of the Shahs in Tehran and in one of the great halls of the palace were displayed the plunder of Nader Shah brought back from India, and among the loot were the jewels and throne, the peacock throne of the Mughal Emperor Shah Jahan (the builder of the Taj Mahal) or its replica (the real one kept elsewhere I suppose). This history is suggestive of the subsequent consensus among Iran’s ruling elite as a minority Shi’a Muslim country among the majority Sunni Muslim countries not to ever be an aggressor, or engage in any wars of extermination of its adversary. The Iraq-Iran war of the 1980s in which Saddam Hussein was the proxy for America illustrate this consensus, that Ayatollah Khomeini did not extend the defensive war beyond Iraq’s borders against any of the Gulf countries supporting financially and politically Iraq against the IRI.
America and Israel have painted IRI as another iteration of Nazi-Germany, as they do with any country they seek to destroy. Their projection by now we know is their confession.
There is precedent that the internal traitors of the IRI will be summarily dealt with and imprisoned or executed. I suppose this is already underway, the hunt for the traitors and dealing with them swiftly as they are found. This recent aggression against IRI has united Iranians even more so than the Iraq-Iran war that followed upon the heel of the 1979 revolution.
And so, the point I made at the beginning that Iran is the only Muslim country that has carried out a substantive political revolution in post-1945 world order means that all the other Muslim majority countries of the OIC and those in the Middle East, especially the Gulf states including Saudi Arabia, are vassal states of the Anglo-American empire and their ruling elites subalterns of the Western powers. If one fully grasp hold of this reality within which the IRI has to operate protecting its independence and sovereignty yet maintaining goodwill, then navigate the treacherous politics of the region, one might begin to appreciate the thinking of the present day rulers of Iran and their maneuvers as required. None of us sitting at this great distance and without a grasp of the political-culture of the IRI possess the requisite understanding of how the present Supreme Ruler and his council of advisors are directing the elected members of the government to confront the hydra monster of the Anglo-American/Zionist Empire effectively and prudently as needed.
I can personally find no persistent or stiff necked sin in Iran, especially compared to the usual suspects.They seem to be doing what responsible mature governments of reasonable good will do in their sphere of influence. Not that man or his works are ever perfect (or don’t occasionally sin or fall down).
One thing I have been pounding on for decades is the historic minority population in these moderate Muslim nations. Iran’s minority populations (including Christians and Jews) even have seats in government, much as the other nations had minority representation in government.
This completely puts the stake in the heart of the idea that Iran / Muslims want to kill all the jews and Christians, and that there has been this great Jew / Muslim 1000 year conflict.
In fact, Iran is protecting Christian Armenia from the “Israeli” supported “Muslim” neighbors.
There has been way more conflict between the western Christians and Jew / Muslims and historic christian populations, then between the historic populations in general each other, except perhaps Muslim on Muslim..
“We” have went out of our way to destroy not only the moderate and even secular nations (Iraq), but also to destroy those historic populations and cultural artifacts, by using in part the “gangster” and hard line “Muslims” to do much the dirty work in those agendas, while trying their best to conflate these western backed radical “Muslim” gangster assets (notice how they have much the same blood lust and cruelty as the shitty little gangster state? it is also interesting the SLGS has deep operations groups to go in and pass for Muslims to carry out operations, and the SLGS have been using false flags for a very long time to drive historic Jewish populations out and to the SLGS or elsewhere, for a very long time. One phrase bibi kept repeating on Oct 7th was “Hamas is ISIS!”) to represent all Muslims as such an archetype in zioconned influenced minds.
Pointing out historic populations has been / is an effective counter ziocon mind control protocol.
I sincerely thank you for this information. Here in the West, our lives have been shaped by decades of Western narratives. Painstakingly, we try to find information that comes closer to reality. But perhaps this can only be achieved by living there for an extended period. Even in many ‘alternative’ or ‘independent’ media, there is still a lot of bias, unconscious racism, and ignorance. To make matters worse, people are influenced by emotions, which makes it harder to maintain a sober perspective.
Thanks for your response.
…people are influenced by emotions… — heikomr
Are people rational… and merely influenced by their emotions.
Or are people unconsciously rationalizing their emotions and biases…?
Of course:
“There is no truth to allegations that Mossad agents entered the Fordow nuclear site after the attack.
Allegations that Mossad entered Fordow are an attempt to inflate Israel’s power.”
Fars News
Coming soon to a Trump Theater near you: The Iran Debacle – Act 2
– Starring Donald J Trump as the President, Bibi Netanyahu as the Instigator, Zionist colonizers as the victims.
– Also Starring Vladimir Putin, Xi, The Ayatollah & Emmanuel Macron’s wife.
– Is the Trump and Bibi bromance real?
– Will Trump admit that the attack on Fordo was a con job?
– Can Israel murder more Iranian leaders?
– Does Iran have enough missiles left to finish off Israel?
– Will the jews be sent packing back to where they came from?
– How many US troops stationed in the middle east will be killed?
– Will Israel nuke Iran?
– Can the President pull another rabbit out of his hat to avoid war?
Don’t miss this exciting new episode.
One suspects that Israel (and the US) are hedging their bets. They THINK they got the nuclear material, but are demanding that it be given up ‘JIC’. But it gets… better? worse? Failure to give up material Iran has not got will be ‘justification’ for another US/Israel attack
I am surprised no satellite images of the damage have not been leaked.
Russia and China have the images to show the damage done to Israel but unfortunately they do not show these things . Why ? Im open to any explanations.
This is the true reason behind the whole AI push – fully automated censorship control of the entire internet.
Probably underestimating them and their ambitions. I’ve seen some pretty rigorous control events going back to like early Netscape days (early ’90s?), that would have been hard to do without some automation.
Hal has been here for way longer, admitted, most suspect.
One of my occasional reply back in that era was, “IDK, I don’t have super computers like they do.”
Something we are sorely under advantaged, not that I haven’t studied on it, or said so before.
I give Adams credit for his effort.
My take on the rampant rush for AI: the US has a population of ~ 340 mil, and rather than hire humans to go into every State, city, burb, town, village, and hamlet, and search out their idiots, AI in each location simply records the names of every elected political idiot and unelected idiot hack, and within a nano second the US has its list of candidates from which to choose to run the country. To see how perfectly it operates, just go to Capitol Hill and the White House
Censoring the leading satellite providers is easy. Russian and Chinese satellite institutions rarely release images to the public.
And, for isolated military sites in the desert, you seldom get images from people’s iPhones (maybe you get pictures of smoke in the distance), unlike images of targets inside cities.
What a great clip! Very appropriate. If only the Iranians have a Michael Corleone in their discussions. Here’s hoping!
It’s a shame that two films which set the standard for modern gangster movies were followed by films and tv shows with endless graphic violence and excessive foul language.
Not a single swear word in either Godfather movie. It ain’t rocket science! It’s called quality writing.
I admit it, I enjoy Casino. Especially the suitcases full on money being sent back east(like the suitcases full of US dollars that buy foreign governments). But how many times in Casino do the writers get stumped? “I don’t have anything intelligent for the character to say. No problem, just have them swear.”
Yes I do wish Joe Pesci’s acting career had been spent on a Hollywood bread line. I’m a meanie.
I’m looking forward to the loud debate between Trump (Fordow is obliterated) and the zionist neocons who need the US to strike again. Popcorn time.
I’m sure the Mossad wish they had a hypersonic Iranian flag painted missile to target the Nimitz with.
Mossad learned their lesson from the pre-emptive strike realizing, it was not enough. Iran has foolishly allowed israel to regroup and recoup more missiles. In the meantime, Mossad is busy contacting their hundreds of operators within Iran. The morons just realized they are lousy with them and are now searching them out lol. israel will hit back much harder and more precise this time AND with the assistance of the US. This will require a false flag and that too is in the works. The coming attack by israel will not be known in advance and neither will the US’ involvement be known until its too late. Iran had the opportunity to devastate israel and set them back years. However, they listened to the Moscow Pussy AGAIN and will once again suffer the consequences of being the “nice guy”.
On the other hand, Israel was on an adrenaline rush, going ever further and wilder. Now it has had a major smack in the face, which it didn’t expect. It thought it was omnipotent. Now it’s not so sure. Give it time to reflect.
Meanwhile, Iran will build up its defences, and go straight for the jugular when Israel tries again, in a much less cocky frame of mind.
I agree with you, that their earlier symbolic attacks were a waste of time, and deterred nobody. I agree with you, that Moscow’s caution has only emboldened its enemies.
But this time, it’s different. Iran has a lot of work to do. It has already achieved a major victory. Time is on its side.
Speaking of damage:
One thing Israel does have going for it is a lively anti-govt press. I expect lots of damage reports coming out in the near future.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/133375
There’s a post at Naked Capitalism that complements the damage tally Mr. Johnson provides here:
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/06/tallying-the-costs-to-israel-of-its-failed-iran-regime-change-operation.html
Something that needs to be highlighted is the fact that Iran’s demonstration of Israel’s vulnerability to missile attack means it can no longer guarantee the safety of investments. Iran can wear down Israel by responding to Israeli attacks in a way that is nominally limited and cannot serve as a reason for US intervention, but which can serve to continue to worry investors, who will see Israel’s expansionist aims as destabilizing the investment climate for the foreseeable future. This will likely add significant additional strain to the already severe political tensions in Israeli society. This may be one reason why Iran chose to accept a ceasefire, it can hold off and see which way the rugelach crumbles. In the meantime, as Mr. Johnson notes, Iran can upgrade its AD.
meanwhile the genocide continues.
That really pisses me off. The Iranians listed to Putin AGAIN and backed off without a mention of their original goal GAZA
At the risk of having a convo with myself:
Several months ago Israel was riding high, relatively speaking. They were pursuing a successful genocide and Gaza property plundering — one form of primitive accumulation — appeared to be a solid prospect. Now, even in the face of Iranian disruption of the sort of economic animal spirits associated with material production, investors can still engage in property acquisition, an important element of rentier capitalism. The missiles may fall, but they have a deed. But the question then arises of whether those investors wonder if their acquisitions, acquired through murder, would have legal standing. If this makes sense then even the rentier alternative would be problematic.
That map looks impressive.
But here are some important questions:
Did Iran kill important israel personal, like generals?, because is in that matter where israel ALWAYS gets away with murder.
Did Iran destroy israel air defenses?
Did Iran cripple israel energy?
If Iran didn’t do this, I have the opinion that Iran LOST or its victory is pyrrhic.
Two more things:
Do Iran, Russia and China understand that Iran is the SECOND FRONT in World War III?
Is Iran aware there will be more lethal attacks from Israel (and a dangerous ALLY) and the West and this is only the beginning?
It takes only a couple of minutes to run to a bomb shelter. Israeli top brass will most likely be in fortified bunkers.
Israel being a relatively rich state and having had a mostly stable and peaceful 70 years has prospered .
Lots of wealth from export s especially software and military arms the kind which takes little physical inputs but gives immense monetary rewards.
They have invested this in building a state with modern infrastructure and adequate safeguards for their whole population against inevitable missile or air attacks.
Any society which is under 360 attack and has relatively few weak allies will have significant number of traitors . It’s just the nature of human beings .
The purpose of propaganda building up the west and Isarel is to demoralise the population of other countries so that at least a significant minority can feel all is lost and not feel any qualms of getting their piece of assurance by selling out on the collective security.
One of the side effects of this war and that in Ukraine is that the narrative has broken for the first time. Demoralised populations around the world have seen that the west is no longer untouchable entity with mythical unbeatable powers.
This narrative of carried forward for a few years will have significant effect on people around the world and will also effect the compromised elite around the non west world.
Trump may have entrapped himself with his “totally obliterated” line, as Iran could blackmail him:
“Back off, or we release a video of the undamaged facilities”
Or he did them a solid. I guess time will tell.
The zeocons ARE behind it. Glad you noticed my point about the drone attacks. Ukraine is, as I’ve been saying, another ziocon war.
Don’t be surprised when you see a zio migration to Ukraine (if not already, but I’ve heard tribe social activities there is already at a high, perhaps premature calibration of all the penny on the shekel acquisitions, and banging all the windows also for pennies on the shekel) as a 2nd de jure gangster state, not that it wasn’t already a GS, just sans the “nazis” (code for non tribe folk, like Hamas is code for Gazans), so they don’t have a running gun battle there for the next 100 years, like their current dirty little gangster Karon paranoid cult state (I think I got the full Monty there, not that I couldn’t come up with a few more, like psychotic or antisocial, or both, but pretty sure they wrote the books on the subject of abnormal behavior for good reason, so the list could soon becomes unruly).
Besides, much of the reason for what we see out of them, IMO, is just because they hate competition or standing below others (I would say standing in the shadows of others, but that seems to be a jolly for them).
Something else to consider, is that the “full monty” expected to take a beaten. I’ve heard that they expected 10k casualties (min? Verified?), so they not only expected it, but counted on, though likely not as bad as they got (yeah, I agree, without very compelling reasons, Iran should have continued. mistake or was regime change at least partially effective?).
The question is was the sacrifice worth the intel? Was it worth what “we” gave away too, though like it or not, you can bet that show of force have them wondering about the known unknowns (did it put some fear in the Iran regime, and even beyond? At least it wasn’t a Carter moment, operationally, and that is a really big plus).
Who was it that talked about there being 3 bore holes instead of one? Just because there was 3 holes, doesn’t mean that more than one bomb did not go down each hole. Now that might be a little concerning accuracy wise. Did we use rods of gods?
One thing for sure, the Iranians have plausible deniability to claim they have any amount they want, from all to none, or anything in betwist.
Not that the “full Monty” will ever not be a Karon (I sympathize with the dirty little gangster state’s neighbors, because on the micro scale, I had a neighbor Koran I lived next to who had all the same psychosis and mental pathologies), and one wonders how long their real or not (or Palantir) inside source(s) cook up another diddy to bring us to the edge.
Whatever the the physical damage to Israel, and whatever the reasons behind the ceasefire, the most geopolitically significant damage of the 12 day missile exchange was the utter destruction of Israelis’ notion of invincibility.
Israel’s fundamental promise to its citizens is watertight security. The 12 days proved that the IOF cannot protect them, and even the USN ships that consumed SAMs at an “alarming” rate providing much of Israel’s air defence couldn’t stop Iran’s missiles from finding their targets.
Given there’s no fixing that in the near term, and even the most ardently Zionist Israeli senses that Israel’s future is in doubt. The Regime is on the horn of a dilemma. If it fully seals its borders, there will be civil strife. If it doesn’t, Israelis will increasingly choose the Samsonite Option and their shrinking numbers will ring Israel’s death knell.
For those who would’ve liked to see Iran continue until Zionism disappeared under the rubble (and I’m one of them), the Samsonite Option is in fact infinitely preferable to the Samson Option.
The way Trump handled this was a travesty for the US itself. No country on this planet can now trust the US nor any international institutions.
All the more better. Those who God wants to destroy makes them mad.
In this case the Hegemony team is in self destruction mode.
Amazing how people keep moving the goalposts for a country that years ago anyone paying attention was already calling “agreement incapable.”
Yes I totally agree but just look around you and observe all the MSM consuming zombies.
Most Americans believe heroic pilots flew B-2 bombers and dropped big beautiful bombs over Iran. All they would need to do is check the lift capacity and compare it to the hollywood script story.
Lift capacity (payload) varies with onboard fuel. Less fuel, more payload. The bombers required additional inflight refueling to offset their restricted fuel load because of the 20k pound increase in payload. It’s the same principle as my old C-180…
According to NG/USAF specs, the B2 has an un-refueled range of 6900 miles with a 40k lbs. payload. With four GE F118-GE-100 turbofans (17,300 lbs. thrust each) to feed, how much fuel (weight) is the aircraft carrying during a fully loaded takeoff?
Considering its 336,500 lbs. max gross takeoff weight, a 160,000 lbs. empty weight, and 40,000 lbs. payload, that leaves about 136,500 lbs. (approx 20,000+ gallons) for fuel…
How hard is it to reduce the fuel load to 116,500 lbs. (approx 17,000+ gallons) to increase payload by 20k…?
Can’t say if the bombers actually bombed Iran, but it’s possible…
My take on all this is that someone tasked with writing this script sneaked in the 2xGBU-57s on each B-2 so to provide us with a hint to the truth – that the whole story is bunk. Whoever that is did an excellent job and I want to thank them.
Remember that this is the first time these buster bunker bombs are used aside from tests. That in and by itself would warrant a single piece of ordnance on each aircraft also considering the very long flight.
Before writing my reply, after checking the specs on the B-2, called a friend that flew USAF tankers. Granted, not a B-2 pilot, but has refueled them many times in operational environments. He provided confirmation.
Good to know that rather than check the facts yourself, when confronted with conflicting information, you simply double-down on your bullshit “take.”
It was quite easy to check. I also discovered how the B-2 Wikipedia page was updated. Why not look at the USAF’s pages and take a look using the Waybackmachine yourself?
Most Americans are idiots
Including many who comment here… myself included.
If only americans (from US) … 🙁
If you can’t regime change Iran through war, then lifting sanctions is a smart Plan B. Empower the Iranians who are pro-American and you’ll get a Regime Change Lite.
I still say that the IRGC should have rounded up all moderate politicians and shot them on June 13th. These were the people who were NEVER targeted by the Israelis. I wonder why.
Trump was sure he would stop the Kiev war in 24 hours…
What Trump says and does are not consistent.
35:35 – Macgregor comments on “Operation Discountenance” from 1941, and how Mossad is attempting to recreate a similar map with Iran. It’s along the lines of the West’s plan, fomenting a war in Ukraine to break up Russia and gain control of its resources.
“This Could Be the Flashpoint We All Feared | Col. Douglas Macgregor”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAkb3bEJDnY
It makes sense for both the US and Iran to work together. The US gets cheap oil and gas and a foot in the door to a strong country that already has very strong ties to Russia and China. Iran, in turn, gets the sanctions lifted and, more importantly, protection from any further attacks by Israel.
Come to think of it, and assuming that D. Trump.may be a lot smarter than people give him credit for, the (bogus?) attacks by US-bombers may have been Trump’s way of sending a very strong signal to his pal Bibi that his war bonanza is over. A mighty kick in the butt while saving everybody’s face.
Hopium, God give it up already. TRUMP IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MURDERS OF PALESTINIANS.
Do you honestly believe Iran has any trust in the US after this? The US has now proven beyond a doubt that nothing it says can be relied upon. I get the impression Trump himself doesn’t grasp this very elementary concept. Once trust is gone it’s gone. This btw also applies to all other countries that have stood by and watched all the lies, deceptions and treachery.
You’re pretending Israel is an sovereign nation. Israel is an American proxy. The hatred you see for Iran is an American hatred. It’s existed since 1979 and will never go away until Iran is regime changed.
The only people who want Iran to work with the US are people who want to sell out Iran’s independence.
Or US is regime changed or gets its balls castrated . Trump , republicans, democrats, neocons MIC, Zionists are doing an excellent job of the former. It’s almost as if they won contract .
agree
“Despite Donald Trump’s specious claim that the US obliterated Iran’s nuclear program, Israel’s Defense Minister Katz is telling a different story:”
Evil forces are attempting to discredit Trump’s “obliteration” claim to ensure future attacks. If, the sheeple stroke Trump’s ego and agrees, he actually “obliterated” the sites, it would leave him content and chest pounding, AND no desire to attack again.
However, if the forces of evil get their way and convinces the sheeple Trump was wrong, it would give Trump reason for further attacks. You have all been had in your haste to further humiliate Trump.
No, trump must learn to keep his big mouth shut once in a while. HE LIED, FUCK HIM
All President Trump has to say is something like after the dust settled and we received more thorough intelligence, it was determined some parts were left more intact than originally determined but we still have no need for further military action now that the Iranians are back at the negotiating table. No comment on how more thorough intelligence was determined.
Back to the negotiating table as a distraction while the next attack on Iran is planned and executed? Chip
agree
And as the genocide in Gaza goes on.
Fool me once… Chip
Q: Excuse my ignorance, but wtf is “chip”? Your name? Some internet emoji / slang etc?
Exactly right! The trouble is that Iran is infested with liberals who will sell the country out to foreign elements. The same way western liberals have sold out our democracies to the Globalists.
What’s worse is that all the Iranian leadership that was killed were hardliners. So the liberals now make up a higher percentage of the leadership.
I would have hoped the war would force them to back away from integrating with the West but if they’re willing to talk with the Americans again then I can’t be optimistic.
Nope, not anymore. The “liberals” are siding with the govt. BUT, I don’t trust Iran’s president
Agreed, though if Iran is intent on building nuclear weapons (and it damned well ought to be), then stringing the West along to buy time makes sense. Negotiations also give Iran the opportunity to find out what the West knows. Negotiations further convey the impression you can be gulled again, which may buy additional time.
If Iran is appearing to negotiate it may be appearance, only.
It had better be, if it hopes to survive. It’s time in any case for a comprehensive purge of pro-Western elements in Iran’s government.
Iranian mercantile class are known for their negotiation skills and business acumen. Even the Jews recognise this.
Not suffered enough damage yet. The war is not over. And it will pay for its barbarism.
Apartheid Israhell is evil. Pure and simple. And its people are at the core of its devilish nature. Why it has no place among the nations.
Its demise is sure coming…
http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/the-downfall-of-apartheid-israel/
…and it’ll take the US empire down with it.
http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/israel-the-scourge-of-empires/
100% correct. I too was a but miffed when Iran accepted the cease fire. israel was on the ropes and total defeat was imminent. They had the US call for a cease fire which will only see israel restock munitions for further attacks. israel did not suffer enough and notice how Iran is not asking for Gaza to be included in any peace deal. If Gaza is not included, it would make a mockery of their efforts.
There are no peace deals or ceasefire agreement. Just a simple you stop firing we will follow you in it.
Not ready to paint them all with the same brush. Had a wonderful Jewish neighbor until they murdered her with the clotshot. Bibi and Zelensky seem to be two people who are more trouble than they are worth. In troubleshooting systems, the best test is replacement. Business managers often take the same approach. It works in government too.
2 psychopaths – desperate for the US to fight their wars
Bibi’s replacement will be worse. POLL: 83% OF ISRAELIS AGREE WITH THE GENOCIDE, TOSS THE ENTIRE PLACE OUT
People seem to forget that Israhell was the Gestapo of the clot shot over their population… Chip
“It’s my nature”, said the scorpion
I didn’t forget it. Can you imagine the brain fog from the clotshot added to the fog of war for more than 80% of the population injected? The people should be pleading with, “leadership” to give them a break from the 20 months of war. The best test is replacement.
Propagandists and msm need to take a basic science class where they might learn about gravity. “What goes up must come down.” As you have always said, they fire more missiles at the incoming missiles than what is being sent by Iran. A lot of that damage could be from Israeli and U.S. defence weapons coming back to earth. Same goes for Ukraine’s claim of Russia hitting residential areas.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. I don’t sit by the TV or internet all day. Just wondering if anyone is trying to finger Tulsi for the leak? Trump did publicly repudiate her testimony before congress.
Tulsi only lets Israelis finger her
I don’t believe it was Tulsi Gabbard who leaked the info. Trump claims the sites were “obliterated” and this doesn’t go well for the forces of evil who want continuation. If it agreed upon that the sites were “obliterated” it throws a monkey wrench into their agenda. Why would Trump agree to further attacks if he is assured the sites were obliterated? They want it known, the sites were not obliterated which will pave the way for future attacks. The sheeple fell for it hook, line & sinker in their haste to further humiliate Trump
It’s too simple. What Trump claims or doesn’t claim has no relevance to what the US regime will do next. Trump will just prattle the next lie: “I only said that so they’d think we didn’t know they have other nuclear materials” took a few seconds to invent. Other nonsense might be a repeat of “did I say that? That doesn’t sound like something I’d say.”
Good reasoning.
The only problem being that he insulted the hell out of anyone who questioned it.
So he can still reverse it, but it will be painful.
btw, I enjoy your comments!
Yeah, Iran has major internal security problems, which may work out to regime change yet.
According to Douglas McGregor, the Iranian officers were tracked because they were using western manufactured cell phones. Russia has spent time attempting Iran to change their methods but in reality, Iran really is a case of “Key Stone Cops” with hypersonic technology. Lebanon was much the same. “We can’t use our cell phones because Mossad is listening”. Here is a great idea. Lets purchase “pagers” from an israeli company. These people are easy targets because they do not know how to deal with a psychopathic regime. at least not yet.
It was a Japanese brand . Which turns out was manufactured in Taiwan and routed through Switzerland and eastern Europe where the changes were made .
I agree, but I’m not sure western manufactured cell use was the problem, but like Hezbollah thought, cell use at all, and certainly on their part to do equipment due diligence.
Ultimately, it is an intelligence test. Head’s in the paradise clouds; feet in the earthly jungle. Despite their own self imaginations, they are not in the European “Gardens” according to the (self-appointed) Masters of the Universe.
” ‘Europe is a garden’ says EU foreign policy chief during speech in Bruges | AFP” (Josep Borrell, the EU foreign policy chief, 2022)
The “gardeners” are at work, it seems
He was not the first to use that phrase:
We have to create a Garden of Eden in the newly won eastern territories; they are vitally important to us; as compared with them colonies play only an entirely subordinate part.
A conference attended by Rechsleiter Rosenberg, Reich Minister Lammers, Field-Marshal
and Hitler
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Export Chinese J-10CE fighter. There are rumors Iran will receive a number of them. They performed well in the Pakistan-India war, with long-range AAMs, like PL-15s.
I notice no one ever discusses the “accident” (I will never believe that) where Iran lost a President that understood just how evil the US regime is really. Suddenly they have a President who seems to me (only an outsider) to be an apologist for the US. I am shocked that Iran is going to sit down again with the US. For God’s sake why? It should be a complete hardening of any type of infiltration by Israel and U.S. not having us lie to your face again.
Some might say “coconuts.”
As the saying goes: Brown on the outside, white on the inside.
Scrape away all the paint and what remains is really not far distant from modern day Sri Lanka. I was in the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka in early 2018.
The 25-year civil war, that has been going on-off since the time of the Buddha (c. 600 BCE), had only ended in 2009. Basically a Ukraine scenario. They were dreaming of becoming a new Singapore (lol).
They were still importing chlorine with scarce hard foreign currency (mainly from India) to treat Colombo’s potable water systems. Why? Because the Tamils in the north were the technical expertise that ran the British-era salt production — e.g., Hambantota, Puttalam, and Elephant Pass. And they were being suppressed. The country has food security issues and they shut the internet down on the day I flew out after a racial murder risked social outrage.
This disconnect (gap) is what is being exploited by the usual suspects. It is an empire thing and not limited to European colonial worldviews.
Pezeshkian is a suckholing western sympathizer. How he ever got elected is unbelievable. He actually threw the Iranian people under the bus by rejecting Putin’s offer of military assistance. He did not want to upset Washington. However, he came under fire for this after or during the war and sent his Foreign Minister groveling to Moscow for help.
“I am shocked that Iran is going to sit down again with the US. For God’s sake why?”
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
Oh just stop. That saying is getting really old
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The reformists took a huge credibility hit on June 13th when it turned out that the Empire intended to wreck their country whoever they voted for. Pezeshkian has had to send his defence minister to Moscow to ask for the help, he turned down just recently.
Laith Marouf did a brilliant Dialogue Works with Dima a couple of days ago and claimed that the Iranians were well aware Raisi was murdered, but decided to go along with the accident story. The reasoning was that it was better to bring an Azeri into the presidency, thus heading off the ethnic split by alienating 20% of the population. Laith considered it to be an incredibly wise and forward thinking move that unified the country, rather than splitting it, which of course, is what The Empire intended.
It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall when Putin met the Defence Minister. Azerbaijan must have been high on the agenda.
It is possible that Putin, in dialogue with Trump and Iran over the past couple months, convinced Trump of the inevitability of a multi-polar world and the fall of israel surrounded by adversaries with advanced military capabilities (as clearly demonstrated by Iran, as well as israel’s monstrous genocide activities destroying their credibility around the globe and the exodus of their best and brightest as a result of the Iran war), and with them worked out a plan that would essentially disarm israel through Iran, claim obliteration of Iran’s nuclear enrichment capacity to take the heat off pressure from Christian and Jewish zionists in USA and Europe to continue the war, make a deal with Bibi to save his arse if he cooperated and Iran if they cooperated. Such a deal would allow Trump to turn his attention to MAGA again, leave Europe/Ukraine/israel behind to self-destruct, and make deals with China and Russia to cooperate in the peaceful dissolution of the post-WWII world order. Bibi, as the ‘greatest warrior israel has ever had’, would be rescued from the courts, and israel would be left to live in its own fantasies with no more need for US support against Iran believing that Iranian nuclear capacity had been neutered (Not! But what does the world know?). Since both israel and Trump have already publicly sworn that Iran’s enrichment programme was completely destroyed, they will have a tough time admitting otherwise. Russia will complete its mission with Ukraine without interference from the USA, and Europe would be left to die. Also, it is possible that Iran’s acquisition of israeli strategic documents disclosing their strategic assets scattered across israel was received through Russia, not directly from israeli sources, thus setting up a plan for Iran to compromise israel’s Samson option during the war.
This was something of a composite I put together from recent posts by Alex Krainer on Dialogue Works and Mahmood OD on his podcast.
The fall of Israel would mean millions of “Russians” returning to whence they came. Somehow I think that Russians don’t look forward to such an outcome.
It’s just under 2 million. Russians, Belrussian, ukrainians and poles constitute 50- 60% of the isareli population.
Ukraine has lost a sizeable population of almost 20 million. These israelis can be given a small area about 120 km by 50 km and resettled in one of the oblasts. They claim they made the desert bloom imagine how much happier they will be in Ukraine. The world can keep them contained there with 20 feet tall walls that The seen to like .
astute observation.
could explain Putin’s reluctance to alienate the genocidal maniacs
Do they vote for/against Putin?
Maybe, though I doubt it. Whatever, their group behaviour is the main cause of entropy wherever they are so for whomever they vote is irrelevant.
” … so for whomever they vote is irrelevant”.
Not for a politician working (properly) for his salary.
Putin (@ ~ 80%) is not at risk, but it would be irresponsible for the astute lawyer to ignore these USA-funded expats (if they have a voting voice). That is the basic principle of democracy.
I was just curious. Nothing more.
Russia doesn’t allow dual citizenship.
“…..convinced Trump….”
You give the moron too much credit. Tel Aviv Don has the IQ of a golf ball and will never be able to calculate anything. It is strictly ego strokers who get the grease.
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Noted fantasist Alex Krainer missed his calling – he should have written children’s books.
I’m so tired of Alex being a trump apologist. I couldn’t watch the entire video, barely got thru 10 minutes.
I’m with you. And I actually used to be very fond of him.
Alex Krainer and Brian Berletic have totally opposite takes on what’s going on. I have noticed lots of people jumping between the two positions and have done so myself at times. Well, they can’t both be right?
I trust Brian
… but they both can be wrong. Work out your own 3rd way.
I don’t think anyone would advocate for sheep-like adherence to one’s analyst of choice – the role of the analyst is not to lull one into a false sense of security by providing a soft fictional representation of reality that is coextensive with your own – rather it is to stimulate thought and to help the viewer / reader ask further questions.
Good analysts provide reasonable analysis backed up by research and citations – take for example KJ Noh who would often cite CNAS sources for his analysis, or Brian Berletic who would cite The RAND Institute papers for examples of documented US regime foreign policy, or Ben Norton that fills his videos and articles with a broad array of references and citations.
Contrast this with Alex Krainer, and others like him, that have built reputations by pulling large articles of faith out of his ass. This might be appealing if you are aesthetically inclined, and have little patience for such inconveniences as reality and scholarship, but it certainly does not foster critical thinking skills.
“… the role of the analyst is not to lull one into a false sense of security by providing a soft fictional representation of reality that is coextensive with your own – rather it is to stimulate thought and to help the viewer / reader ask further questions.” —
Ok, so who is indulging in a fantasy world now? The role of a ‘successful’ pragmatic analyst is to deliver what the invoice requires. Of course, you may be conflating that career path with an old, post-mortgage, curmudgeon in his/her free retirement time.
Look, I did not bring Alex Krainer into the equation. I have heard him a couple of times on Nima’s show. He has the ‘London’ conspiracy bias. Ok, so what. Factor that in. I’m a gem collector, not a hero follower. In actual fact, few of these talking-head people deliver much novel value once the 3rd-4th time transpires. The value is either news, or what the host-guest relationship can squeeze out. I find LJ (host) an exception. He can carry his own (e.g., counter-currents). As I have tried to explain elsewhere — it is a “complex” that requires a double description difference that makes a difference, that counts. Go back to C.S. Peirce’s semiotics and look for the “steps to an ecology of” …Thirdness. Some get stuck in the inductive/deductive binary world. Some, look for the qualitative abductive ‘leaps” that find new ways. The function is “and” — not “or” in the search for, …
“Rather than being a “ground for knowledge, … intuition is a way of knowing” (Noddings and Shore, 1984, p. 47), and its immediacy as such is indeed questionable: it is quasi-immediate tending towards the perceptual judgment as a kind of “mediated immediacy” (Peirce CP 5.181), or a limiting case of abductive inference, an educated guess, a hypothesis-making that must precede the hypothesis-testing. Thus Firstness in Thirdness is being tested and deliberated upon during the continuous interplay of all three forms of inference, including induction and deduction, although “the intuition [per se] does not deduce; it does not move patiently through strings of logical propositions” (Noddings and Shore, 1984, p.133): instead, it jumps, leaps, and desires.” (Semetsky, 2006, 32).
Get it? It is straight out of the Indic/Hindu triguna playbook.
Perhaps one should thank the Krainer’s of the world for contributing (mostly) foolish leaps — but their semi-informed ‘leaping’ can be observed critically and learned from. You may not like, or value, their specific trampoline work, but perhaps the inner response will liberate your/our own? Obviously not every off-side idiot qualifies as useful stimulation.
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(*) Semetsky, I. (2006). Deleuze, education and becoming: 3. Sense Publishers.
I see it more as a tension between the fantasists and the empiricists. The fantasists confuse storytelling with analysis. The empiricists deal with facts alone. Only one camp is worthy of attention.
People like Brian Berletic, KJ Noh, Ben Norton, etc. – the empiricists – have not made mistakes because they deal with facts, and their analysis begins with, and is based upon, facts. The fantasists produce fictions that change on a daily basis according to events – they change their “analysis” to accommodate the weather.
Who would you rather fix your car? A mechanic or a lawyer? The mechanic will have your car running smoothly in no time, the lawyer will take a case against you, convince you to sign the ownership of your car over to him, and will charge you for the pleasure of doing so.
“I see it more as a tension between the fantasists and the empiricists. The fantasists confuse storytelling with analysis. The empiricists deal with facts alone. Only one camp is worthy of attention.”
Rubbish. Your one-wing flying bird thinking is the problem. The real world is a “complex.” Both are required. Images of the future (Polak) is what drives positive-path dependency theory (*). The more this can become affective the better, assuming it is towards the right futures options. Right and (left); Right and (wrong) are two dimensions of good governance. Your single minded reductionist thinking produces the best technical plantations and prison systems and gas chambers in the world. Where do you get your right moral/ethical dimension in the complex? Therein is your Achilles heel.
Go read up on Gilles Deleuze’s “Fabulation” — here let me help: “Deleuzian fabulation is not mere fiction, but a revolutionary praxis that reconfigures reality through art and collective imagination (Deleuze, 1989, 1997; Bogue, 2010). If successful, it destabilizes dominant codes (e.g., colonialism, capitalism, Eurocentrism, anthrocentrism) and helps open alternative pathways for Global South futures discourse.” (quoting self).
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(*) positive-path dependency theory considers path dependence, as a concept in the social sciences, referring to processes where past events or decisions constrain later events or decisions. new alternative images of the future is one way of breaking this ‘weight of the past’ and establishing new positive feed-forward dynamics.
Alex only says “I think”, or “I feel”, Brian has facts and states them
Naturally the world is complex. This is why we listen to experts who try to bring understanding to this chaos.
Berletic is perfectly clear about his sources behind his conclusions. Any listener is free to decide for himself whether those sources are enough to support Berletic’s conclusions.
Krainer is STILL playing 4-D chess. His sole source is his own opinion. I don’t want to be unfair but my impression is that he exists to “muddy the water”.
Human are emotional beings. There’s a time and place for emotions – political analysis is not one of them. Emotional analysis is most often wrong. Just look at Scott Ritter when he loses his head! What’s worse is the emotions of listeners get played on in these matters simply to manipulate.
I am very distrustful of these experts who claim to understand all the Globalist factions. It’s like saying Hess flew to Scotland and Goring is a jolly fat man therefore we should support them over Goebbels and Himmler.
One is on much sounder ground assuming that they are all enemies of humanity and all need to be opposed and eliminated.
This, to me, is Berletic’s bottomline. Krainer’s is: there are good guys in the Empire we should be rooting for.
That’s like saying we can vote our way to reform. Sorry, no, the system is corrupt to the core. Just look what it’s done to Gabbard. You can’t fix this by voting nor by cheering on one faction(personality). The system must be ended.
“Naturally the world is complex.”
That is not what I meant. If mathematics is an accurate metaphor (*) — something Mr Smoothiex12 might like to consider within his narrow ballistic missile worldview — then it is ontologically a complex. If you have not studied the notion and genealogy of “zero” from 7th century India to the breakthroughs of Einstein and Quantum physics (c. 1905-1926) then perhaps this short 11min RSA video “RSA ANIMATE: The Divided Brain” (Iain McGilchrist) will help explain the viable brain system and the needs to scan the sky and find the rice seed in real time — or be eaten.
The only issue I take up with his approach is with the continuation of the false 18th century medical metaphor (hemisphere). Do we have hemi-ears, eyes, arms, legs, gonads? We have, applying modern system/cybernetic theory (the one that runs your computer on the desk) two head brains connected by a corpus callosum hyperlink.The function of this links (according to McGilchrist) is to suppress the one or other brain in the functioning of the whole. He links this homeostatic ‘balance’ to Western skewed dominance.
However, if you really want to go down the rabbit hole, then add the Polyvagal theory (Stephen Porges). The vagus nerve (x2) is a major component of the parasympathetic nervous system, playing a crucial role in social engagement, emotional regulation, and bodily functions. One of the three is the “Dorsal Vagal State: Activated by extreme danger, resulting in immobilization, shutdown, or freeze responses.” Some might see correlations with ‘war theory.’ There is some dispute in literature — but I see value in it as a metaphor. The 3rd brain (nexus) is a player in the donut we are(the gut is the skin to the external microbiome world).
AI: “The “gut brain nexus,” referring to the enteric nervous system (ENS), is often described as having roughly the same number of neurons as a cat’s brain, or even more. While not a brain in the traditional sense, the ENS contains approximately 100 million neurons lining the digestive tract, which is comparable to the estimated number of neurons in a cat’s brain.”
So, it is a triadic world(view) we live in constructed (the view, not the World) by triads of retina cones/rods, functioning brains, and organizationally closed nerve systems (unless you have a tooth ache). All this (way Nature works) seems to be challenging for the human mind to grasp.
THAT is the ‘complex’ we are, and live in etc.
[and yes, I have nothing better to do… lol]
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(*) Citing mathematician and historian, Jacob Bronowski, the mathematician and cyberneticist, Norbert Wiener (1894–1964) considered “[m]athematics, which most of us see as the most factual of all sciences, constitutes the most colossal metaphor imaginable, and must be judged, aesthetically as well as intellectually in terms of the success of this metaphor” (Wiener, 1989, p. 95).
Now that you mention Ritter, about a month ago he was talking in an interview (I dont recall clearly) that Iran “should renounce uranium enrichment or they’ll be severily punished”, something like this, and people were commenting he seems to be disturbed, weird, etc, and now I see he was predicting that Israel would attack Iran.
Or leaking.
Berletic:
I listen to many sources and appreciate qualitative difference. I crossed Berletic off my go-to list back when he began emoting (like some others) about a certain ‘disappeared’ Chilean who had a liking for the murderous Pinochet regime.
I need to be careful, as the host here was also in that side of the equation, as was that Mark Sleboda in Moscow.
I judged Ritter and Andrei Martyanov as the more mature and accurate. Berletic is (from what I can see) now wetting his ‘foresight’ pants over having discovered some published scenario documents from a decade ago. Big deal. But he speaks and reasons well. Nerdish dress code is a bit of a tell. eNuff said.
I don’t think that’s fair – Mr Berletic has always given the disclaimer that how you feel / felt about GL’s politics is / was irrelevant – not that he ever needed to, or should have ever felt the need to.
Personally I found GLs politics reprehensible, but that was largely irrelevant to the good work that he did during the early stages of the SMO. I know we would not have seen eye to eye politically speaking, but so what?
The fact was that a life was taken, whether or not you agreed with that life’s politics, in one of the most horrific ways imaginable, and Mr. Ritter did nothing to help the situation (to put it mildly).
I find both Mr Ritter and Mr Martyanov to be terrible sources – both are riddled with machismo and militarism, and are similarly prejudiced with respect tot heir backgrounds and interests. In particular I find Mr. Ritter to be highly irrational.
” … Mr Berletic has always given the disclaimer that how you feel / felt about GL’s politics is / was irrelevant – …”.
Stop right there. I do not care for what Brian Berletic has to say on this matter. I did my research and judged accordingly.
Have you seen the body? Or has it ascended, like Epstein, and others, to an off-stage 5-star earthy paradise?
If Berletic (or Sloboda) want to talk about tank parts, then fine, I’ll take notes. Not my thing, btw.
So, how you “feel” about Netanyahu, Hitler, etc, etc is/was irrelevant? That is his point of view. He is entitled to it. Childish, imo. If you goose-step with Pinochet, Netanyahu, Bandera, et al, then do not expect an invite to my birthday party.
As for Ritter, I kind of like his American “Fred Flintstone” archetypal grounded-ness. There is an authenticity in it. Why, I assume, the Russian also relate positively.
However, his barking dogs are sign of Lokayata dissonance and USA arrogance/ignorance. People (his ‘guests’) have to apparently have to listen to these spoilt mutts, whether they like it or not. USA All The Way, etc.
Perhaps his eyes will open further down the track to the social impact of this uncultured stance? For some, actually most of the non-western civilization, these ‘dog people’ values (read Lokayata chanters) are little different (other than scale) than Trump’s invasion values.
How much is act, and how much otherwise, I cannot say (nor care really). He and others (such as this host) stimulate my thinking — and provide discourse space for public information sharing. I feed into it as a (self determined) social contribution and hobby pass-time. That is all.
Btw, glad to see we disagree on something. I was beginning to feel uneasy finding an online doppelganger. lol.
Yeah, mark one for Ritter that. Listening to Berletic now in the background, but I’ll probably listen again to be able to form an opinion, when awake.
You put it very well. Good work.
I was certainly interested in the writings of Baudrilard, Deleuze, Guattari, et al as a young man, but no longer – precisely because I find their celebration of late capitalist decay to be a profoundly pointless affair, lacking a concrete revolutionary theory of praxis. It’s all very well resisting imperialism through language, stories, body art, piercing, and other forms of transgressive art, but if it does nothing to improve the material conditions of the working people then it is little more than an academic exercise, or worse a distraction.
Ok. I actually agree with you, in the main on that point.
However, your solution is/was? I am also a well-aged cynic, but feel it is important to not pre-disconnect with past thinking. We are in the post-normal times interregnum in almost all domains.
I cut my critical thinking teeth on the earlier systems/ cybernetic work that pre-dated them (and what they drew from). Despite risk of a ‘bonbon’ LaRouche-orientated attack, it is (imo) about cultivating an “ecology of mind” (i.e., appropriate framing metaphors) to ‘see’ (and perhaps act) through it (the miasma).
I don’t disagree with anything you say – in fact, I would suggest our backgrounds are more similar than different. To be clear, the empiricist / fantasist dichotomy I proposed earlier was ad hoc and not meant to be the foundation of a world view. And I offer no solutions other than reading theory, workers organizing, and revolution. I see the Western system as broken, exploitative, and beyond reform, and hence should be replaced.
And I also don’t mean to imply that there is anything wrong with any movement that focuses on linguistic liberation through literature, art, etc. – quite the contrary, I see it as a reflection or echo of the struggle at that time. But while indicative, it should always be regarded as subordinate to the material struggle. Literary / aesthetic movements are symptomatic of a broader societal malaise that can only be resolved through revolutionary struggle.
One of the only movements that (in my humble opinion) emerged unscathed from that interesting and fertile period – 1960s France – is the Situationist International – I suspect you are familiar with them, but if you are not I would recommend them to you. Maybe start with “The Most Radical Gesture” by Sadie Plant which I think is a fine introduction to them. You should be able to find a PDF version online.
Seems likely we would agree on many themes. The suggested link is new to me. Poststructuralism, Dada and Surrealism are relevant. However, I’m rather disinterested in political ideology — it being a religion (assembly) at heart. The link to “The Most Radical Gesture” by Sadie Plant looks interesting and relevant to extant research.
As a swap, I can perhaps suggest a trip to ancient India, if you have not already explored it — your material pragmatism — the “Lokayata” (The People) for whom the only prayer (chant) was for food.
It flowed out of India to China (and some suggest Europe). This is what sits under the Hindutva anxiety and their elephant-headed deities — surely as Surreal as it gets.
Lokayata and their common food mantra:
“(They sang):’Om! Let us eat. Om! Let us drink! Om! Deva, Varuna, Prajapati, Savitri, gather food here. 0 Lord of Food! Gather food here. Yea, gather it here. Om!”
(Chattopadhyaya, 1992, p. 76; drawing from the 12th Section, of the first Chapter of the Chandogya Upanishad).
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[Two of these can be found online]
Bhattacharya, R. (2011). The materialist philosophy of the lokayata: An introduction. Manohar Publishers & Distributors.
Chattopadhyaya, D. (1992) Lokayata: A study in ancient Indian materialism. People’s Publishing House. (Originally published in 1959)
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Alex is very dialled into City of London stuff, which is interesting and valid. But he probably overstates the power and influence of that, while underestimating the naiivety and stupidity of Trump.
Trump could/should have listened to Steve Bannon and dumped Ukraine on day 1, and his presidency would have got off to a much better start. He failed to do so, and is now bogged down in a quagmire, as predicted/warned by Bannon.
Alex’s attempt to spin this as some kind of 5d chess move against Old European power doesn’t really stack up.
Meanwhile, Trump’s shambolic Middle East policies signify a man way out of his depth, being played by events. Again, Alex wants to interpret this as some kind of brilliant broadside against Netanyahoo, but It’s more likely that it is Trump who’s being manipulated, and kowtowing to the Empire.
Trump is expected to anything he wants to do. So there is nothing stopping Trump from dumping Ukraine at any point of time.
Sometimes I feel the laws of the universe work and the instrangience of US and Europe is good for the world as Russia slowly bleeds them if their weapons and their industry is slowly bankrupted.
No one could come up with a plan where the west starts to decay without much retaliation. The decay is such that the talent available is slowly uprooted & no new talent is coming up. Their economy is being hollowed out from within such that it will be decades before it can be stabilised.
By which time China & other countries will have occupied the industrial manufacturing space and trade & financing space such that it will be difficult for them to ever come back to their pre eminent position.
That is exactly what I mean. He is a fantasist that allows his emotions and prejudices to dictate his “analysis”. As an adult, listening to him desperately struggle to redeem events with his world view is pretty embarrassing.
While it is clear that the City of London is, and was historically, a malign influence, for Krainer – like some of the more smooth-brained regulars on this blog – the City of London is THE issue. It is not THE issue, it is an issue. His position is just as ridiculous as those who think the Israeli tail wags the rogue US regime dog.
Krainer is a dyed in the wool conservative fantasist that would rather bend reality than accept what goes against his prejudices.
Yup. Agreed. A lot of the folks who’ve popped up over the last couple of years are relative newcomers to this stuff, and not as well informed as they pretend.
The Middle East is a case in point: People like Alastair Crooke, Chas Freeman and Elijah Magnier are genuine experts with decades of experience and an encyclopedic knowledge of the subject. They are worth listening to. But there are plenty of others who don’t really know what they’re talking about, and they are getting equal billing.
That’s what I like about the Duran. Alexander doesn’t claim to be an expert on anthing, but he’s very knowledgeable and doesn’t bounce around unsubstantiated, occultish theories.
The Duran is all for trump
I agree with you to a point – for example, I have read Alastair Crooke’s articles for almost two decades at this point, but of late I find his positions to be quite disappointing. He seemed to readily accept the bona fides of Trump’s stated agenda, without dismissing it as the shameful demagoguery that it so obviously was. He seems to see tensions and palace intrigues within the current US regime administration where there are clearly none. In short he seems to accept the underlying assumptions that are at the root of the problems, and he is certainly not alone.
With respect to Chas Freeman – while I admit one of the more rational and realistic voices in the alternative media commentariat – he is a member of the US regime patrician class, and as such is very ideologically committed to the rogue US regime. He is therefore of limited utility outside of gaining knowledge of what the enemy thinks. Having said that, I would much prefer to listen to a civilised person such as Freeman than an uncivilised person such as Scott Ritter, or another such vulgar oaf.
The last few years seems to have broken the brains of many analysts and commentators. It is as if the world of analysis has become a field of creative writing. Are we that disturbed by reality that, rather than understand it so as to fix it, we have resolved to retreat into comfortable fiction and fairy stories that effectively arrest any possibility of improvement? Our squabbles are now at the level of which commentator or analyst’s fictional representation of reality is the best one or the most comfortable one – just as kids used to argue over their favourite comic book superheroes.
As for the Duran – no comment.
… following on from a previous comment/reply.
You note (above): “The last few years seems to have broken the brains of many analysts and commentators. It is as if the world of analysis has become a field of creative writing. Are we that disturbed by reality that, rather than understand it so as to fix it, we have resolved to retreat into comfortable fiction and fairy stories that effectively arrest any possibility of improvement?”
Ok, a fair point, imo.
Your theory of change/action/transformation?
Gabbard (et al) have (it has been suggested) reverted to Fox news style briefing for the ADHD in Charge. I would suggest your point (above) fits into the Deleuzian strategy (e.g., the creation of (new) legends in relation to films about trapping white dolphins in Canada’s St. Lawrence River. Kennedy’s man on the mood (real or fabricated) governed the 1960-70 era. It is the vision thing.
Nature does not (we assume) have visions. Humans do. So, ergo, that is the strategic intersection point for participative governance. The use of hybrid (complex) fabulation (e.g., science fiction) works — or, has worked in the recent past. I see folk like your Alex Krainer as “becoming” aware. They all add something to ‘seeing’ the elephant in the room. With critical deconstruction work, they help assemble the meta-elephant for the six blind men.
Technically, it is about creating platforms for change wherein undecidability and (apparent) incommensurability can be approached. If you want a real-world example of this positive-scenario approach (the qualitative-quantitative) complex then perhaps see the IPBES-NFF project. The task today is to add critical perspective.
Of all the current alt-media activity, the one that I think works best (for me at least) is Nima and his “Dialogue Works” methodology. He sets the frame, and creates the space.
“Your theory of change/action/transformation?”
I really don’t have one of my own – I believe in the power of people and the power of revolution.
I have taken the scenic route around the world, using a map of the underworld, and it has finally returned me via a commodius vicus of recirculation back to ML.
(and I don’t mean Machine Learning)
And thanks for the recommendations – I’ll check them out later.
Thank you for your assessments. It’s refreshing to see someone who understands the messengers.
Thanks. Judging from the comments of yours I have read, I would say you have a better understanding than I do.
BTW, I don’t accept any of that but it was worth the thought.
OT:
Chinese J-15T CATOBAR Flanker with PL-10 and PL-15 long-range AAMs.
The J-15 is a modification of the Russian Su-33. Currently, it is the primary Chinese carrier-based fighter.
The israeli -US lobby has been behind the claims that the US attack failed, because Israel needs the US to stay involved militarily. No ‘won and done’ thank you very much!
The decision to claim US involvement in the original attack, that the US had put on Israel, was something Trump could not resist when it looked like a success! Then it all went belly up and we are where we are. A stronger jubilant Iran. What a US cuck up, eh?
Glad to see you agree with my take on tis. AIPAC would never allow the narrative to be “obliterated”. It closes the door on their agenda. However, if we all praise Tel Aviv Don for a wonderful job in “obliterating” Iran’s nuclear sites, it leaves him pounding his chest and with no reason to attack again. The sheeple for for it hook, line & sinker
The following development worries me deeply:
The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) is losing its significance. Many countries might now secretly conclude that the only way to ensure their “security” is by acquiring nuclear warheads and the corresponding missile technologies. This is a dangerously flawed idea. For instance, Russia and China deter the U.S. from a nuclear first strike solely because they possess cutting-edge technologies capable of reaching the entire U.S. territory. But for most countries in the world, such capabilities are unaffordable. They might only manage to develop tactical nuclear weapons, which could only target neighboring nations. The risk that the threshold for using such weapons in regional conflicts will keep lowering is terrifying.
Yet, nuclear deterrence itself is now eroding. This is evident in how the U.S., Israel, and Britain have attacked Russia’s nuclear triad and targeted nuclear facilities in Ukraine, Russia, and Iran.
No one can trust any document or treaty with the U.S. and the West anymore. Behind the scenes, nobody in the world believes a word of what comes from them.
Smaller states, doomsday cults, terrorists, intelligence agencies—or some combination thereof—might now be tempted to prepare for nuclear terrorism. Has any of the bullshit producers, any of the idiots in the U.S. and the West, grasped this?
The whole world sees the weakness of these gangsters, and elements within it may feel emboldened—whether in self-defense or because they, too, are psychopaths—to make their own preparations. The black market exists, and the most corrupt individuals sit in the UN, governments, and parliaments. Not to mention the boards of corporations and banks.
Every U.S. president has been a disgrace in their own right. But with Biden and Trump, America is reaching a crescendo. And here in Germany, we have figures like Friedrich Merz, who publicly thanks and congratulates Israel for “doing the dirty work for the West.” Knowingly or unknowingly (I can’t tell), this gratitude includes endorsing the genocide in Gaza.
Meanwhile, during a so-called “day of action,” German police squads were deployed nationwide to conduct house raids and “steal” smartphones and computers simply because citizens voiced their anger and frustration in online comments. As a German, this reminds me of the arbitrary justice and secret police tactics that marked the darkest chapter of our history—at least in terms of methods. After all, prison sentences now loom for violating laws specifically designed to criminalize dissent.
Fascism is the excess of capitalism.
Well said.
Yes, the subversion/failure of international agreements, law, bodies is one of the most disturbing aspects of the last few years, now amplified by recent (call it was it is:) US/Israel war on Iran. Humanitarian law (avoid harming civilians), Geneva conventions (including prohibition on attacking nuclear facilities), UN Charter (unprovoked aggression), Prohibition on genocide, ICJ (simply ignored), OPCW (the farce of its 2018 Douma/Syria investigation) and now IAEA (likely providing intel as well as a fig leaf for the West). These are but a few examples; there are many others.
There are those who criticise, for example, Russia and Iran for continuing to follow and support international law, treaties, etc, in the face of Western bad faith, manipulation and trashing of existing conventions. I disagree. These countries are taking the morally correct path and, as long as they themselves are not destroyed, garner the support of the Global Majority. In the long run they will be proved right.
As for the increasingly obvious descent of Germany into a totalitarian state, well, and with sarcastic humour, I think the word is the same in English as in German: Atavismus. 🙂
Gesundheit!
Tomorrow
“Tomorrow Belongs To Me (Cabaret)”
Big, Bad and Beautiful — “Finale & End Credits – Cabaret” [1972]
Imo, without affective UN action we are in the final drumroll, … and it is clearly a dead-end.
The only difference is the costume, out with the ancient Indian sacred swastika. Now the ‘ sign’ has become the triangles of the ancient Hebrews.
But even that is a passing motif. Now it is “Trump Towers” etc. Empty corporatism and branding.
I posted this once before — it still applies, imo. (x2)
It will only stop when “dividends” for those who benefit from the war machine are AI-traced and held accountable at law and the bank account for their complicity in war-policy.
a few days ago, on naked capitalism there was a table in an article by Haig H.*, which noted that most of Iran’s ballistic missiles have a destruction area of 3 to 12 km2, so if half of the 20 or so launched each day reached their target, that is a destruction of around 50 km2 per day. Tel Aviv has a total area of only 700 km2. In contrast, the standoff missiles and car bombs used by Israel cause far less damage in a far larger country. Another two weeks and Israel would have (deservedly) looked like Gaza everywhere. That said, depopulation as the death of Israel will not trigger the Samson option; flattening Israel everywhere probably would.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/06/coffee-break-armed-madhouse-circular-error-probability.html
So what explains Trump’s slobbering all over Nutty’s ass saying how Nutty is the greatest leader in Isreal history”. They really must have some substantial threat hanging over Trump, like we’ll kill your entire family if you don’t lick our shoes. This is what happens when you let blackmail take a foothold.
A sure way for Trump to lose his base is by doing what he is doing and lying and gaslighting his support.
President Trump take a note from Micheal Corleone and fire the Zionist and the neo-cons in your administration and get back in control and MAGA.
He would have to fire ALL OF THEM, since they all had to swear an oath to israel before being confirmed
Trump knows Netanyau, just as Putin knows Zelensky.
Losing either man creates genuine uncertainty and in both cases it’s possible some form of collapse could make the country ungovernable and much harder to deal with as an entity.
Putin clearly said during the Trump election that he valued certainty.
“So what explains Trump’s slobbering all over Nutty’s ass saying how Nutty is the greatest leader in Israel history” — MONEY!
Yea, we give them our money and they give it back to our corrupt politicians.
That’s the process.
And by the way it applies to all lobby groups – this is not specific to AIPAC. Most people of the rogue US regime think the only offender in this respect is AIPAC, but AIPAC is not even the biggest, or most powerful, lobby in Washington. For example, the “lawmakers” in Washington give money to the MIC, and the MIC gives it back to the politicians. The problem is not one lobby group among many, the problem is that the US regime political system is one part of an organized crime outfit that serves the interests of wealth and power, and is rewarded handsomely for doing so.
Very little would change if the rogue US regime outlawed AIPAC – the rogue US regime’s proxy war with Russia would still have occurred, the coming conflict with China, ostensibly over Taiwan, would still be an issue – the rogue US regime would continue wreaking havoc in West Asia ruining the lives of millions so MIC executives could get their bonuses, and so US regime financial institutions could maintain control over the world’s resources. Blaming AIPAC for the ills of the rogue US regime is deflection and distraction. The political system is the problem. The “country” is the problem.
In other words, it’s a systemic problem. A problem created by actors — politicians, lobbyists and the parties (among others) — whom benefit from their corruption of the political process.
The only relevant question:
How to publically delegitimize the political process they’ve created to rule us…?
WE can’t vote our way out of this
Never thought we could, but you can’t ignore the need to generate a broad-based consensus among the population. Or do you plan to go out and create this revolution everyone here is dreaming about all by your lonesome…?
If not, then it’s political. And you’re ceding ground to the bastards.
At this stage the system must delegitimize itself. It certainly has enough corruption and inferior leaders to eventually trigger a collapse.
I’d say we have been enjoying Huxley’s Brave New World. The system has created a pleasure addiction for every westerner and we’ve gone along for the ride.
However the resources to maintain that Brave New World are running out. Which means they must transition to Orwell’s 1984 totalitarianism. Endless wars, plus controlling citizens with fear, not pleasure.
The fake covid pandemic was the beginning of this transition. They’ll continue to test the waters as they try to move us towards their Orwellian goal.
The good news is that – unlike Orwell, who was a smart man who wrote a book – they’re not very smart, quite divided into factions and don’t really have a clue as to how to create anything new. Their expertise is wrecking the old system. They’re not builders.
I believe it will require some type of Congressional convention of the States and some serious rule and amendment changes.
This will only happen if and with full military control under an Executive order that will demand the process. Otherwise, the corrupt politicians and courts, and the lobbyist will never allow it to happen.
And who own Congress…? You simply advocate for more of the same… only harder.
Yes – it’s a complex made up of financial institutions, transnational corporations, lobbyists, politicians, etc.
Unfortunately the system cannot be reformed, and delegitimization is not enough – the only solution is the cleansing fire of revolution.
Perhaps, but do how do you plan to spark this cleansing fire… all by yourself?
No wonder the tribe is running all over us — the “educated” and “experienced” I see commenting here don’t seem to have a clue about the reality of their chains.
It’s all about consent… and they’ve got yours.
“The American Revolutionary War (April 19, 1775 – September 3, 1783), also known as the Revolutionary War or American War of Independence, was the armed conflict that comprised the final eight years of the broader American Revolution, in which American Patriot forces organized as the Continental Army and commanded by George Washington defeated the
British[Zionist] Army.” (Wikipedia, updated)Revolution and rebellion are grassroots political processes, and all ya’ll can do is throw the baby out with the bathwater — insuring no political consensus for change can (or will) be built because you’ve ceded the playing field to the corrupt bastards oppressing us.
Politics is war by other means, and best practiced asymmetrically.
Mr. Johnson
Your advice
“My advice to Iran is simple: solidify your military ties to Russia and China, launch a massive counterintelligence campaign to identify and eliminate those elements collaborating with Mossad and Western intelligence agencies, replenish and harden air-defense systems, and build more ballistic missiles.”
is the advice of a “talker,” Not!, a “doer.”
I cannot see the future.
History, particularly the history of the Zionist entity, its creator* and its later sustainer** demonstrate one incontrovertible fact. “Talk” for one purpose, deception!, “do” for another purpose, Greater Israel (Hebrew: ארץ ישראל השלמה, Eretz Yisrael HaShlema)
Your advice will only, can only result in destruction and death Of the people of Iran and the country of Iran.
I submit the only viable course of a
for Iran is to “do.” Build nuclear weapons.
Why?
“The Plan” was, is and will always be “Securing The Realm,” which is Israel.
How?
By taking out 7 countries in 5 years.
My offer of evidence:
First, read:
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” (1996)
This is a policy document prepared in 1996 for Benjamin Netanyahu, then Prime Minister of Israel.
First neocon report calling for Iraq invasion. Delivered to Israel in 1996.
By whom you ask? Please read:
https://zfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/1996_07_IASPS_Clean_Break.pdf
Second, watch video
September 11 … plus about 10 days … 2001
General Wesley K. Clark,
about 10 days after so-called “9/11”
(Wesley Kanne Clark;
birth name: Wesley J. Kanne)
https://youtu.be/6Knt3rKTqCk
dennis hanna
*”The Palestine Papers: 1917-1922: Seeds of Conflict”.
by Doreen Ingrams
1st edition (January 1, 1973)
**The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine
A History of Settler Colonialism and Resistance, 1917–2017
by Rashid Khalidi
I think you are wrong pal. The key to peace in the region is eliminating the apartheid state of Isreal in its present form. More nukes for Iran would mean nukes for every other loony mis-east country and future mass destruction.
Iran had an opportunity to do it, but they dropped the ball.
Israel will never give up it’s nukes, and the US will never allow israel to fall
How to deal with American and Israeli gangsters who are currently calling all the geo-political/military/intelligence shots:
https://www.unz.com/jfreud/foulism-foul-play-replaces-fair-play-re-moralization-follows-demoralization-and-the-true-failure-of-the-imagination/
Agreed. I now think in terms of “Nordstream II” energy system-cycle racket intermediation as the usd$ spread-sheet confetti (dump and reload as usd$ 2.0) cycle nears the end of its useful life post-1970’s (Nixon) life cycle. Btw, a good graphic at that link. (att.)
Trump has shifted gears looking at BRICS and a deal with Iran to set BRICS back. A similar approach to that taken with India. Seems obvious to me that’s what’s going on here. A somewhat “friendly” attack back and forth, heads up given on back channels, claims there is nothing to worry about any more, and a prospective deal that, to use Larry’s Godfather metaphor, Iran can’t refuse – development cash, end to sanctions, assistance with nuclear power. He’s courting Iran while Israel’s shitting bricks.
Trump 2.0 isn’t the same as Trump 1.0. Trump sees Iran as a lever against the multi-polar order. He wants to use trade rather than military. Watch what he’s doing, set aside the feelings about his personal quirks. Israel is cost only, and therefore expendable, Iran has potential for economic gains if it screws up BRICS. While BRICS is moving ahead with its agenda, Trump is forming a counter-agenda gong after friendly relations with India and now Iran. His first show of goodwill was not fully backing Israel. I’m sure Iran noticed that. That’s a major shift in US policy.
that’s not going to work. Iran knows that US Americans aren’t trustworthy.
Besides, the USD is losing its shine now.
Good point. They certainly “turned” India so it’s logical to try and turn Iran.
Never underestimate the value of the US dollar to buy influence. Neo-Colonialism has lasted 75 years because of this. The dollar might be on its last legs, however, until it realizes its true value, ZERO, it is still an instrument of control for the Empire.
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US is bankrupt what money can it give oil and gas rich Iran? Many countries around the world are rich in resources and don’t need money from US case point Trump begging for investment from Saudi and Qatar
Money is not what is needed/desired. Power is the pulse, … and a place in the lunch queue is what the hegemon of the day provides.
It can give US dollars to individuals in the Iranian political class. Tie them into the American system the way the Arabs are completely owned by the US.
The stick has failed. Now comes the carrot.
Trump’s counter agenda will flop flat on its ass. And you give the bull in a China shop WAY too much credit. He’s a fucking real estate developing con man… Chip
Interesting analysis…
Good points. I wondered if Trump’s statements about Iran being ‘allowed’ to sell oil to China was conditioned on using the USD. That’s the only way this makes any sense at all.
China was already buying oil from Iran, trump is all theatre. WHY do you believe anything he says?
What allowed? Iran already sells oil to china and probably does so getting Yuan in exchange and uses yuan to buy manufactured stuff from China.
Bingo
I would guess USD and Swift will be requirements. He seems to realize driving Iran into China’s arms may not be the best thing to do. What happens in Iran is more critical to America’s future than anything in Israel.
Driving? Iran and China are already trade partners having significant trade and have signed a strategic partnership last year
In theory it makes sense, but Isreal will block any attempt to improve relations with its enemies, which are many. Unless and until Isreal can be brought to heel there will be no peace in the middle east. This will require positive and aggressive actions from all the countries in the region. Maybe now that Isreal has been shown (and the U.S.) not to be so all powerful this might happen.
Precisely but the question is if Iran will comply. I don’t think so because for Iran the BRICS involvement is now even more important than before this ‘war’.
That is the question! A couple of follow up questions: 1) How corrupt are the moderates in Iran that America could buy them? 2) How many Iranian liberals have already been bought?
Everyone knows the ‘cessation of hostilities’ will soon be broken by Israel. Whether through a false flag or not is moot since the status quo will lead to the demise of Israel as people there start to leave in droves. It’s poetic justice for those of us who view the FF engineered Gaza genocide as shooting fish in a barrel.
Some years ago I thought there was a chance for Israelis to come to their senses and simply oust their zionist insane leaders but now it is clear that the population is under some kind of wicked mind control and are marching in lockstep towards the ledge. It’s tragic but in a way perhaps inevitable to show the rest of the fully asleep western populations that we too are being sleepwalked into our own dystopian demise.
Enjoy the temporary quiet because it won’t last long.
There is a Belgium psychologist Mattias Desmet who talked about “mass formation” during Convid. His hypothesis also explains exactly what you refered to by saying; “it is clear that the population is under some kind of wicked mind control and are marching in lockstep towards the ledge”
Let’s get real They have always been like that.
Yes, Mattias Desmet was correct. And they have been going after him ever since.
It starts at birth. They are taught to hate.
And when Israel breaks the cease fire, Trump’s not going to help. He’s basically told the yappy little lap dog to shut up and sit.
Don’t worry zio don will always be happy to help.
No US president since JFK has had the power to dump Israel when they come begging, and Trump is no exception. He has cheered on their genocide – thus trashing what remained of US soft power, and modified The First Ammendment to placate them. A constitutional a step no president ever made before.
You seem to live in some alternative universe.
I hope you’re right. We’ll know soon enough.
Trump didn’t betray Iran, nethanyahu betrayed trump as they has done with every president . And Irán use the enrichment card as a card for negotiation, they can abandon it, but if they don’t have anything for leverage, they could have sanctions anyway. I think that they will give it for good if they get a very good deal.
They have confidence between each other, and know exactly that the gane of nethanyahu is.
Israel knows very well that irán doesn’t want to have a nuclear weapon, but use that enrichment scheme for getting more concessions. And they do all of this because they know if irán become sanction free, it will become an economic and militar juggernaut.
The game is now “Where’s Waldo?” in a country about the size of Alaska (twice as big as Texas). Finding enriched uranium in Iran is probably akin to trying to find gold at Fort Knox. The Biden Team pushed Russia and China into each other’s arms. The Trump Team will push Iran into Russia and China’s arms. Trump pulls a TACO: Let’s Make a Deal’ out of his hat. Forget about all that nasty regime change stuf and my BFF, Bibi. Iran should probably just build missiles at full speed, because if Bibi isn’t convicted and jailed, its only a matter of time before it’s: Iran is two weeks away from building a bomb.
Trump lies all the time, so he doesn’t have to keep logical track of his untruths. His associates seem to be getting stressed out trying to keep up covering the non sequiturs to Mission Accomplished. My only question is how did Russia or China not pick up the air flotilla at some point? Strange.
Finding enriched uranium in Iran is probably akin to trying to find gold at Fort Knox
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I was just about to comment on the future value “usd$30 billion” [no doubt from EU-confiscated Russian assets] in times when they won’t buy a loaf of “Weimar Republic 1923” bread.
Like the French in the 1970’s, they should demand it in gold etc. Park the said uranium in China-Russia and retain ownership while leasing it out for BRICS nuclear power fuel. After all, it is the water heating capacity that is of operational value, and not material.
End of life cycle it is returned and buried in the deep storages in Iran — rather than the West disposal on other peoples’ lands as depleted uranium munitions. Owning the energy-cycle system is far more valuable than some dangerous glowing dust.
With peace comes Netanyahu’s arrest and criminal trial, then handing over to the international courts for genocide in Gaza etc.
Of course, if the Iranians want to do the right thing, they should also demand another “$30 billion” for the reconstruction of Gaza and the establishment of a safe 2-State solution.
If the Iranians are really mischievous, they would say : ” sure, we will hand over the enriched uranium. After further enrichment. Via ballistic missiles”…
When will Iran play that Ace card to the world?
Israel possesses nuclear weapons and has REFUSED ALL INSPECTIONS since prior to JFK’s assassination on November 22, 1963!
Iran should propose the “Nuclear Weapons Free Middle East” program starting with full international inspections of Israel’s nuclear weapons and their removal and destruction.
Sort of how Russia went into Syria and removed and destroyed all of the chemical weapons.
The narrative needs to be switched up. And Iran is in the perfect position to do it.
Of course, to their demise, Israel WILL refuse. And the whole world will be watching.
Ha ha ha ha ha!
US Navy Used Munitions at ‘Alarming Rate’ To Intercept Iranian Missiles Fired at Israel.
The US used SM-3 interceptors, which cost between $10 million and $30 million per missile
by Dave DeCamp | Jun 25, 2025
“A senior US military official told Congress on Tuesday that the US Navy used munitions at an “alarming rate” while defending Israel from Iranian missiles during the 12-day war that Israel started with massive strikes on Iran.
Adm. James Kilby, the acting chief of naval operations, was asked during a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing whether the US Navy had enough SM-3 interceptors, an advanced missile that can reach space and can cost between $10 million and $30 million for a single missile.
Kilby continued, “As you know, those are missiles procured by the Missile Defense Agency and then delivered to the Navy for our use. And we are using them quite effectively in the defense of Israel.”
Quite heartening, actually as it means that both the North(UA) & South(IR) axes of the West’s attack on the BRICS have accomplished little more than emptying the West’s arsenals.
George Galloway said last night that 11000 buildings had been destroyed in Israel. Just desserts in my view.
And mine
IMO, 11,000 is too low for “justice”, but it’s a good start.
And in mine.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ljj1wdU5YcQ
Here is one example: Drone video shows damage in Israel after Iran’s retaliatory strikes
It sounds to me like Trump is attempting to promote internal divisions and to invigle access to Iran’s nuclear program (now that the IAEA spies have been booted out) by dangling investment $$$s for civilian nuclear development…but why would Iran bite when Russia is already building them two facilities and China would no doubt offer them a far better deal than anything the West could offer???
More likely it’s just another duplicitous ploy to buy time while attack dog Israel reloads it’s “shotgun” for the next round of aggression.
Why did Iran not hit Israeli water vulnerability, this rarely gets attention is its water supply. Israel is a leader in desalination, with more than 80% of its municipal and industrial water supply provided by just five desalination plants.
Iran can win simply by taking out Israel’s supply, water is life.
A large-scale disruption to desalination plants, whether from natural disaster, conflict, or even cyberattacks, could severely impact the country’s water security.
They are driven by heuristics that prohibit looking like barbarians — aka, the noble pride factor.
West Asia (in the main) is a shame-based culture: “A person in this type of culture may ask, “Shall I look ashamed if I do X?” or “How will people look at me if I do Y?”
Shame cultures are typically based on the concepts of pride and honor.” This is the core-values ‘gap’ with/between fear-guilt based culture: “The terminology was popularized by Ruth Benedict in The Chrysanthemum and the Sword, who described American culture as a “guilt culture” and Japanese culture as a “shame culture”.
And we are now back at the threat of dropping atomic bombs on cities. Go figure.
Situated theocratic thinking will likely consider the “Battle of Trench and Qurayza:”
“Saʿd ibn Muʿādh al-Ansari (c. 590-627) was the chief of the Aws tribe in Medina and one of the prominent companions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. He died shortly after the Battle of the Trench. Sa’d was the son of Mu’adh ibn al-Numan, of the Abdul-Ashhal clan of the Aws tribe, and of Kabsha bint Rafi, [a female] of the Jewish Banu al-Harith clan of the Khazraj tribe.”
Some may draw ‘dotted-line’ connections/associations with the conversion/reversion of the Palestinians in Gaza etc — in many cases, progeny of Jews who converted to Islam many centuries ago. The wider narrative of that pocket-book region is one of original Israeli tribes mixing into the local ecology without issue. Only a rather strange tribe (Juda) and a lesser offshoot (Benjamin) remained aloof and somewhat retarded. I am no expert, but I have seen literature that considers these two recalcitrant groups are more on the veranda than in the House.
Let’s here what the Jews of Iran have to say on this matter of treachery. I’m all ears.
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Correction: Let’s hear what the Jews of Iran have to say on this matter of treachery. …
Because they did not want to inflict unnecessary harm on civilians. Unlike the Zionists.
Nobel but is it a wise strategy when Iran is fighting for its life?
The West Bank settlers are the most rabid Zionists. They will go to Masada before they leave Palestine. They’d also murder every Palestinian if they thought they could get away with it.
Do such people deserve compassion when Iran could have bombed every major West Bank settlement? Which choice would lead to a more peaceful future for Iran and Palestine.
Sorry but showing empathy for 80% of Jewish society which supports the Gaza Holocaust is like liberating a Nazi concentration camp, giving the guards a Red Cross aid package and sending them home.
Absolutely. And because they have shown that they can and will hit those critical assets should the zionists wish to re-start the war.
In other words: Next time we will really hurt you.
More likely that they wanted there to be enough water (and enough electricity) for the coming post-Israeli Palestine. Not enough for the current population, to be sure but enough to sustain what’s left after the Zio-crazies have voted with their feet.
Agreed.
Will Türkiye make a move with Israel wounded, or are they chicken?
Alexander M speculated that it would be impossible for Israel to use Azerbaijan/The Caspian to attack Iran – as they did – without the use of Turkish air space. Putting Turkiye in the frame as a co-participant in the attack.
Meanwhile Erdogan’s family make a fortune selling Oil to Israel.
I think we can expect hot air words in public, and chicanery behind the scenes.
When it’s become mortally wounded I’d guess a pile on. It’s not so much a popular revolt within the quisling states around Israel but another Qaddafi moment (1969) from the military ousting the fence sitters, then a popular mandate. Hollowing out of Israel is proceeding from the top down.
Kind of all depends on how restless Turkey’s population is.
Erdogan may be skating on thin ice with his double talk about Israel’s aggression against the Palestinians as he wheels and deals with Netanyahu.
This cannot end well for Erdogan.
They generate a lot of noise.
Replacing a word in Churchill’s quote: “The Turk is always either at your throat or your feet.”
Erdogan’s likelier to make a deal with Israel to partition Syria than he is of driving them out of there, much less the Occupied Territories.