Ukraine’s offensive or counter offensive is running into big problems and my friend, Mr. Stephen Bryen, writes the following:
There appears to be a potential big development in Ukraine focused on a negotiated deal with Russia.
Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov said that “Ukraine is ready for negotiations and a peace agreement if Russia changes the previously declared goals of the Special Military Operation.”
Is this genuine? Maybe. However, I think it reflects the Ukrainian point of view and fails to take into account the Russian perspective. With the Ukrainian counter offensive entering its 7th day I do not see any viable path for agreement between Ukraine and Russia.
Ukraine’s policy, until now, is virulently anti-Russian. Besides prohibiting people from speaking Russian, the Ukrainian policy has focused on eliminating every last vestige of Russian culture and history in Ukraine. Can Ukraine really hit the brakes and throw their policy machine into reverse and suddenly say, ‘Never mind?” I doubt it.
While the Western media persists in perpetuating the fantasy that Russia is suffering setbacks and looking for a way to extricate itself from the war in Ukraine, the facts on the ground show that Russia is inflicting massive casualties on Ukraine — both men and materiel — and that Russia is under no pressure to seek an end to the conflict. Nothing short of unconditional surrender will placate Russia.
Ukraine, however, has ample reasons to bring the war to an end. Rational military commanders on the Ukrainian side must now understand that their prospects for inflicting a devastating blow to the Russian military forces is becoming less likely with each passing hour. Russia’s advantages in terms of men, artillery, and air support are thwarting Ukraine’s military ambitions. I do not discount the possibility that Ukraine’s military commanders realize that continued attacks are futile and that securing a negotiated end to the conflict is their only hope of surviving. If this report is true it signals a growing rift between the military and political leaders in Ukraine. The only solution is to overthrow the government of Volodomyr Zelensky by the military and sue for peace. If that happens it will mark the defeat of NATO. Count me as a skeptic. I think the blood shed will continue.
Sadly. Have to agree with your last sentence Larry.
Amen, CC,
And, further, Russians are in no hurry to take UAF as PoW infested with Ukro-nazis. They can wait and then slowly, almost unopposed, advance toward the west, allowing all those offensive individuals to escape to the NATO Heaven 😉
Cheers, JaKo
Let the banderites escape to Poland where the Polish nationalists will treat them like they treated the people of the Donbass. That would be true Karma.
I agree, it will continue until Russia is satisfied, whatever that ends up meaning. The answer to the question posed in the title, “no.”
I disagree. This is not about Ukraine but about breaking US global hegemony. Russia is not about to allow the US and NATO to freeze this conflict only to rearm and remain a threat.
If Ukraine wishes to wind the war down, I believe Russia will escalate and try to keep NATO pouring weapons and money into the Ukie trash compactor.
Ukraine is a Swampite casino, and everyone inside her borders is an expendable casino employee. The Ukrainians were always treated as pawns for international power abusers and merchants of every vice. At this point they are less concerned for Ukrainians than ever, so their only objective now is to bleed Russia no matter the cost in blood and treasure.
If they can’t control the casino they will burn it down and obliterate all life to prevent the Russians from taking one more handful of soil, and render unlivable and unmanageable that which they have.
Our leaders have reduced themselves, our nation, and our servicemen to primitive barbarians.
And has anyone seen clips of Icky Vicky lately? She is even more swollen in her own venom and fat than before. She must be stuffing her mug with popcorn 24/7 and jumping up and down at all the action paction footage.
I agree as well. The Banderites are too well ensconced in the military to support a coup. They are true believers and will fight to the last, as many Nazis did as Russian tanks rolled into Berlin. After all, they can do as their predecessors have done and just move to the US and Canada — where they will be looked after.
The real “owner ” of Western Ukraine is the US. If it loses Ukraine, it use the “Russian threat” to take greater control of Europe– doing to Europe what it had hoped to do with Russia. Not that Europe has the resources that Russia does. But Canada does. So the “Russian threat” and specter of a nuclear war, will be used to institutionalize the colonization of Canada.
In my view only an unconditional surrender from the side of Ukraine (and NATO) will work. You apparently can’t trust Ukraine and NATO (see Minsk agreement). And for that most likely the corrupt Zelensky regime will have to be overthrown.
Hopefully that happens soon so that not many more innocent people on both sides have to die.
The Neocons and “business” interests driving the effort to “defeat and disassemble” Russia are monomaniacs. There are no mechanisms of imperial government that are fit for purpose in stopping the grand strategy that has persisted for centuries. I doubt Russian leaders are foolish enough to swallow the bait and the hook poorly hidden within it. Does not matter what the parts of 404 do or promise at this point. Russia seems pretty clearly to have this in mind — deNazification and demilitarization, and de-industrialization to a large extent, must be pursued to a pretty complete endpoint. The Natzi disease has been spread (thanks in large part to US Imperial actions) pretty far across the world. One hopes the seeming impulse now toward nations involving themselves in the hopeful notion of multi-polarity in pursuit of maybe popular pursuits and local interests might lead to a less suicidal net behavior of our species, but there’s no assurance that will work out either. The Russians seem to be heading in a healthier direction, but Milley’s grudging announcement of “three superpowers” makes it plain, to me at least, that the Empire and supranational corporate powers and Imperial vassals are fully stuck in the rut of seeking through “competition,” a/k/a “hybrid war,” to achieve “full spectrum dominance” and the bleeding out of the earth’s resources for personal gain and satisfaction of the lust for power.
I worry that the current obscure rulers of the Empire and supranational corporations are so wedded to their wet dreams of owning everything and end-stage feudalism that they will activate the “Samson option” that the Likudniks have set up, fire off the nukes, and drag all of down into destruction with them. (The “West’s” rulers apparently believe “Russia will blink first,” and not leave the Perimeter dead-hand system ready to launch the massive new Russian weapons on indications of first-strike actions by the West. )
The Russian side appears to have shown that they see this reality, and I hope for the sake of my children that they would not get sucked in again
Ironically, a first strike by the west would likely see the first explosions in the west as the Russian hyper sonic missiles are that much faster. It wouldn’t be a “dead hand” response, but a very much “alive” one. In addition, Russia can probably take out most, if not all incoming, as I suspect they developed missile defense concurrently to hyper sonics so can intercept the slower US/NATO missiles.
If the neo-feudalists go nuclear, Russia wins there too, without being totally destroyed, like we will be.
my amateur calculations have the hyper ICBMs, with multiple warheads, coming from Siberia to eastern NA, in approx 30 minutes? Lucky for me, I remember my duck and cover lessons.
I lived though that cold war and to be honest, I never remembered any duck and cover lessons at school. I do remember the air raid drills and those civil defense signs at the entrance to shelters though. Black on yellow and sort of triangular in shape I believe.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch:
https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/06/moving-toward-a-global-empire-humanity-sentenced-to-a-unipolar-prison-and-a-digital-gulag/
What if, what if, what if… a nuclear holocaust were the only way to preserve – possibly – the last few vestiges of humanity?
“US Senators Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming have introduced Senate Bill 884, also known as “the Improving Digital Identity Act of 2023.”
“If this bill passes both chambers and is signed into law, it will require all Americans to have a valid digital ID if they want to connect to the internet, open and maintain a bank account, obtain a passport, and gain access to medical care.
I – personally – will not get a digital ID. Will not get the implant or whatever. That means I lose my driver’s license and apparently my bank account and apparently my internet access. All this goes on, but no, watch those guys shooting stuff up in Ukraine.
Maybe, maybe, maybe I can survive a little while as a monk cuz I got those tendancies. and a big garden and lots of firewood. Not that it helped the monks in Ukraine, did it? I’m 68 and I’ve had it with all these endless chains being put on me and everyone else. Not that everyone else sees them so well. That’s how come friends named me Oracle. It sucks.
And it really sucks that widespread worldwide destruction – not just a mini-nuke on DC – might be the only way through.
This is the battle of Kurukshetra.
“previously declared goals’? Hmm, I think he speaks of regime change in Kiev.
Reznikov may look like a bolshevik commisar but I think he recognizes when the CIA starts making noises about throwing Zelensky under the bus.
Preconditions to any peace proposal are a sure sign treachery will follow.
In the beginning, Russia made a very humble request, join the EU but remain neutral and give shelled civilians their human rights back.
Will these subhuman Neocons cease and decist from plotting to destroy Russia? The answer is, NOOO.
No cease fire, go all the way and break up Ukraine. It is a criminal enterprise. Send their criminals into Europe where I am sure they will be welcomed.
As for Biden setting a precedent for prosecuting a former president, he knows this might come back to bite him in the nuts.
Trump is being indicted for misappropriated documents, Biden can face from the next President, should he be a Republican, the responsibility of prosecuting a bribed Vice President with what might be shown as the one who became President and started a war for personal gain, possibly, for treasure or cover.
Trumps base is 40% and the undecided are 20%. These two segments will never vote for Biden. So how can Biden steal an election with 40% of the vote? He can’t. So, he starts a war.
Starting Peace negotiations with preconditions is a propaganda ploy to paint Russia as a war monger that refuses peace and … provide the justification for a war against Russia. Then Biden becomes the war president with all the special emergency powers. This will give Obama a fourth term.
I have a theory about growing old, if a person is at their core an honorable person, their core will condense all their personal traits to support their core. One the other hand, if they are an evil person at their core, their evil will intensify as they grow older. Putin and Biden is my exhibit to this theory.
Remember. I didn’t say anyone is perfect.
American trotskyist neocons and Ukrainian neo-nazis…..a marriage made in hell.
I concur. I will be surprised if Russia accepts anything other than unconditional surrender, a permanent cessation of hostilities by Ukraine and the ceding of all the territory of Ukraine, as prerequisites to stop the SMO.
No ceasefires, no Minsk-style negotiations, no “frozen conflict”.
The remaining Kiev Junta will be held for trial as terrorists perpetrating War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity, even if the US decides to park Zelensky as “gov’t in exile” in Miami or Tel Aviv. Remember Guaido? No one else does either.
What parts of Ukraine will join the Russian Federation and which part will be a neutral, de-Nazified (actually de-ZATOed and de-Rothschilded) buffer-zone rump will be dictated at a later date.
Neither the US/ZATO nor Rothschild Class are in control of this anymore. The WEF/WHO/ZATO will be steadily deconstructed as the SCO/BRICS/RotW system is built out. The BRICS gold-backed reserve-basket currency will quickly replace the US$, and all that $trillions in US Fed paper will flood back to cement the bankruptcy of the US/UK/EU. I think the ONLY way the US/UK will be even allowed to participate in using the BRICS currency system is if they close all foreign bases and withdraw all troops and munitions outside the US mainland. Yankee Go Home finally realized after 100 years, the end of the European/US Colonial Age.
When the Saudi royals jump off the US/ZATO ship, you KNOW the end is near for the PNAC crowd. Getting the Saudis and Israelis to make nice was a major plank in the PNAC agenda… that’s OVER. The Brits put the Saudis in charge in 1932, so to see MBS walk away from the Anglo-Zionists after 100 years is a massive repudiation of US/UK power.
And ya, a cornered. dying beast is at its most dangerous, but the Ukraine is showing how little teeth the monster still has. The Nuland-NeoCons don’t have the nuke codes, and even dimbulb Biden and his inept handlers don’t want the nuclear destruction of the world as their legacy. I’m guessing Ol’ Joe wouldn’t win in 2024 after a nuclear confrontation… And how can the Rothschild Class profit if all the major countries are smoking radioactive shit holes? All that Rapture/Second Coming/Jewish-Messiah Armageddon propaganda/fear-porn is fine to feed to the cowed masses, but the Rothschilds, their minions and their opposition don’t want to be nuke-fodder either. Self-preservation is a strong deterrent.
As the kids used to say, put a fork in it, it’s done.
Martin Armstrong’s computer is predicting no election in ’24.
But even if there is an election what difference would it make at this point.* The uncompromised duo will be isolated and marginalized by a compromised government/media/tech/lawfare cabal. And that even cover election shenanigans.
Biden’s reputation, like his mind, is already in tatters.
After Putin de-Nazifies Ukraine, he will have to continue his de-Nazification into the US and Europe. Hopefully the citizens of those countries will take care of the problem.
Step one is to pull out of the Gates funded WHO and retain our sovereignties against future tyranny.
Zero chance Putin will to go beyond Ukraine borders with his military forces.
Zero benefit for Putin to go beyond Ukraine borders.
However- any form of attack that is directly launched from any NATO territory will be hammered 10X.
Putin will secure Ukraine territory through relentless forward advance until 100% capitulation on Russian terms- which means complete Russian control over Ukrainian territory.
Putin wants Europe to stew in their own pot of crap until they reach the conclusion they are better off friendly with Russia than with America.
Is there a chance for a negotiated settlement? No.
Is there a chance for a peace and security agreement on Russian terms and enforced by Russian soldiers? Yes
Eventually
Correct.
“Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov said that “Ukraine is ready for negotiations and a peace agreement if Russia changes the previously declared goals of the Special Military Operation.”
In other words, lose all the aims of the SMO and any possibility of justice for Russia so that Ukraine and NATO continue on their destructive path and Russia is never able to survive. Russia knows this is an existential matter for Russia and its people and future.
Es wäre sehr zu wünschen wenn der Kampf beendet würde,nur müssen wir beachten wie er begann und jede Wiederholung kategorisch ausschliessen.Das bedeutet tatsächlich Entmilitarisierung und Entnazifizierung.Das hätten leider die armen Menschen in der Ukraine schon lange haben können wären die ausländischen Drahtzieher nicht die die sie sind.Auch Russen und russischstämmige sind ums Leben gekommen in dieser Zeit seit 2014.Odessa und das Gewerkschaftshaus sind noch nicht geahndet.Ich meine die Ukrainischen Verantwortlichen müssen die weisse Flagge hissen und ihren Einflüsterern sagen “verpisst Euch”!Ein anderes Szenario kann ich mir nicht vorstellen.
It would be very desirable if the fight ended,only we have to pay attention to how it started and categorically exclude any repetition.This actually means demilitarization and denazification.Unfortunately, the poor people in Ukraine could have had this for a long time if the foreign masterminds were not who they are.Russians and people of Russian origin have also died during this period since 2014.Odessa and the trade union House have not yet been punished.I mean the Ukrainian officials have to raise the white flag and tell their insinuators “fuck off You guys”!I can’t imagine another scenario.
Never met a skeptic I didn’t like.
What is NATO offering Russia? At best a cease fire with the lands it has already captured, followed by bringing Ukraine into offensive pact, as numerous of their people have stated. Peace is better than war, but it doesn’t resolve Russia’s Ukraine problem, just puts the rerun off for a few more years.
I think Russia is open to a deal but this isn’t it, not even close.
There will be no “deal”. They know the US is not agreement capable.
Russia will present it’s already known terms, and a few new ones that Medvedev has hinted at). If they are rejected the SMO will continue.
A “peace” which is just another time-out to let the Empire have time and space ramp up another attack on “the other two superpowers” is in no way better than war. And the Russians, and the Chinese who are cruising on the back of Russia (smart folks) at present, know this.
People are going to get killed, and have to fight, either way. Always thus. Just a matter of degree of violence. “At peace,” the rulers of the Empire are killing millions by disease, starvation, ever tighter poverty, in pursuit of unbridled hegemony.
The primary goal of NATO is to save face. They HAVE to look tough, and they HAVE to win something, anything, or they will lose a seat or two on the gravy train.
They are not fighting for Ukraine at this point, they are fighting for swollen paychecks, benefits, portfolios, real estate, expensive schools for their obnoxious brats, exclusive resorts, you know, all the thing that justify widespread carnage and destruction.
They were NEVER fighting for Ukraine.
The AmeriNATO gravy train is fast approaching the broken down bridge- not even counting the AmeriNATO debacle in Ukraine.
Not a damn thing they can do about it anymore.
“They” have set in motion multiple self destructive actions that cannot be stopped or reversed.
Now it is simply a matter of time until they reach the bridge and the whole western system comes crashing down.
I, too, fear the bloodshed will continue. Ukraine and her western supporters have made it clear during this conflict that a Russian retreat to her borders prior to the SMO’s launch in 2022 is the only way forward. They still talk of getting Crimea back!
Russia for her part has made it clear that not only will Crimea remain Russian but so will the four regions. And as Russia has demonstrated her superiority in war, I expect that will be what happens.
Russia has also begun to voice the inevitable by saying that Zelensky and his government has to go. The “collective west” will choke on this, but some at least seem to be realizing that better this than drowning in blood.
Sadly without NATO and in particular DC (key individuals and the organisations) experiencing enough pain to be deterred, it’s difficult to see how any negotiated outcome is possible.
I don’t know what will deter these evil people. Unfortunately, I think we can forget any political solution. The 2024 election – if it happens – is unlikely to concern Biden & Co, who seem to have taken control of power in the United States, which is in essence an oligarchy / soft dictatorship at this point in time. America is entering a very, very dark period.
Medvedev’s recent comments seem to reveal that the Russians don’t think any negotiated outcome is possible, and that Moscow may be planning to take all of Ukraine in order to ensure that NATO can’t get a foothold in what remains of western Ukraine and/or to prevent an insurgency.
As I see it if this thing in Ukraine is going to end any time soon, the solution will need to come from the Russian side. On that note (and I know it sounds crazy but still), I wonder if the Chinese and Russians may have a plan in mind.
Let’s see what happens.
Two to three HUNDRED THOUSAND wasted lives later, it’s about time that Ukraine’s “leaders” thought about suing for peace (better yet, a complete and total surrender) — with the Russian War Machine that Ukraine wrongfully provoked and never had a snowball’s chance in Hell of possibly defeating. May the Good Lord have mercy on us all, and especially on the Ukrainian people.
Too late
Too many dead Russians
True, way too many dead Russians (even one is too many, and many ignobly mistreated as prisoners), from a war that was instigated and started by the thoroughly delusional, selfish and evil “leaders” inside NATO and Washington D.C. (Larry Johnson, thanks again for your factual and straightforward, cut-through-the-B.S. insights and opinions. You are providing a very valuable worldwide resource and service to all Truth-seekers.)
Consider: Depopulation is the Western entropic ambition. Getting Slav to kill Slav is their very convenient opening gambit. They aim for a pure Western race to inherit the earth.
That pure Western race is getting permanent sun tan at very fast rate. Those that remain pure should be put in some kind of reservation.
Here is why what you wrote doesn’t make any sense: If the intention was to allow a pure Western race to inherit the Earth, the Euros and Atlanticists would not allow and encourage massive immigration of brown and black people into their countries. That would seem to be the opposite of maintaining “purity”.
White supremacists are according to Biden, America’s biggest threat – yet they’re America’s biggest hope in Ukraine prevailing.
On just that basis alone, the entirety of current White House occupants and most of Congress should be wrapped in strait jackets.
Given total fertility rates and western xenophilia, a western race – by any historical definition – ain’t inheriting shit.
What garbage! Depopulation whilst letting in millions from Africa and the Middle East!
twenty years ago, the central european city I live in was at least 90% caucasian. we`re now down to about 50% indigenous population, with huge numbers of turkic, arab and african “minorities”: so much for the elites` purported aim of a “pure western race to inherit the earth”: if anything, the opposite is true.
the one thing our (caucasian) elites actually seem to want is a dumbed-down, mixed-race population of uprooted, disenfranchised, identity-less gregarious animals…and we`re pretty much there.
Agreed.
Ukraine: We’re comin’ at ya’, Russia! Leopards and all! Hahahahah!
SPLAT!!!!!! BOOM!!!!! CRASH!!!!!
Ukraine: Errr, never mind.
Reznikov: “Ukraine is ready for negotiations and a peace agreement if Russia changes the previously declared goals of the Special Military Operation.”
So Ukraine will surrender, if Russia is the side that makes the concessions.
Perhaps Reznikov hasn’t quite got to that chapter in the military handbook.
yes, the part where the losers don’t get the right to dictate terms for peace. (wtf?)
Loser dictators usually hang, or some other less visible demise.
The west ‘leaders’ are stupid and psychotic: there really is no other explanation
Reznikov’s statement came after Russia said that there must be regime change in Kiev. Before Reznikov had additional demands like Russia demanding it withdraw its troops, give back everything including Donbass and Crimea, and of course, reparations. Oh, and regime change in Moscow.
His new demands sound much more reasonable. Or would’ve sounded much more reasonable a year ago.
Could it be with all those explosions, he’s finally beginning to turn a deafened ear to all the sweet nothings the west has been whispering?
When the Daily Star starts referring to BoJo as Bozo the Clown on its front page, you sort of smell that not all’s well in Conalot.
And who put that sandbag on the stage, anyway?
The Nazis have always lived in a dream world they created (which was a nightmare for others !) and were constantly waiting for the arrival of a miraculous wunderwaffe ! This role of the wunderwaffe is now filled by the Javelin, Patriot, IRIS T, Storm Shadow, Leopard, and then the Abrams, F 16 ! Just like Hitler, Reznikov and his companions are sitting trembling in a bunker, sending the young children and the old to the front, while they dream of a good solution for them, while the Russian weapons are already roaring all around ! For them, there can only be one solution, unconditional and immediate surrender and complete denazification !
I read an article on an austrian page about the site nrvch . com
this is a declaration of ukrainian people for a peace plan.
It is in ukrainian, but google translator can help.
they say that it has been signed by more than 5 million people.
At least I found it interesting to see. As I am wondering what ukrainien people really think about continuing this war.
Media keep telling us , that they want to continue to fight.
In Germany some months ago, governement stated that there were about 180.000 ukr men officially registered in Germany.
in my opinion, Russia cannot deal with ukro404 because 404 counts for nothing;
Russia cannot deal with the €U for the €U it counts for nothing;
it cannot deal with U$A because treaties signed by U$ANATO never counted for anything.
So Russia must go all the way, at any cost; must destabilize the Western financial-military clan, blow up the bank, $ and €, “international institutions” (including the UN, G all, WHO …) and redesign an alternative world with other Partners who respect INTERNATIONAL law and not the law of the strongest and the most wicked.
if Russia goes to deal with those who do not respect any values, any rules other than its own, it has lost;
sooner or later the €U$rahell mafia will make you pay dearly
I read it too, found this page: https://narodgov.org/news/12-peace-plan-of-the-ukrainian-people
like the Patriots, like the Leopards…
even the 180,000 Brits finish if they wear boots in Ukro404
they better keep doing terrorist shit (their specialty…)
Makes me think of the Stauffenberg plot within the Wehrmacht to kill Hitler. Unfortunately they failed. Bloodshed continued. Perhaps there’s hope this time.
Silly plot using captured British detonator on bomb which misfired
Very amateurish
This senseless war needs to end, but instead it is escalating dangerously. Our out-of-touch elites are high on their own kool-aid. We have to pray for common sense.
At this moment, no. The conditio sine qua non for a lasting peace is the physical elimination of the Kiev regime. Only then will Russia be able to show some magnanimity. If Ukraine is not cleansed of extremisms, nazi and zionist, there will be permanent instability.
This war is not between Ukraine and Russia, but between NATO and Russia.
So how can Ukraine negotiate peace on behalf of NATO?
The only solution I see is when NATO is ready to negotiate for peace.
NATO ready to sue for peace?
In light of their war games shortly, why not just attack Poccia in Ukr?
Having massed a ‘multi army’ in plain sight, the ‘war controllers’ are mad enough to think they will roll over Russia forces in Ukr.
To me at any rate, it is a very real worry.
White House insiders say that Biden is fixated with stepping over Russia’s ‘red lines’, like some sort of a dare in that mental adolescent’s mind.
Best as I can tell, we’re now approaching the 1/4 second to midnight on the red line clock.
In fact….we have this clear in Europe…..
A war no one asked the population if they wanted to fight…
It is not on our behlaf, but on behalf of the oligarchs of Wall Street, Sillicon Valley and the City of London…
Not our war, we just must expel these occupiers and looters from European soil, starting with their agents in the European Comission….
Bravo
concordo al 100%
You forgot Davos and Brussels and wherever else the old European “families” reside.
The way I see it, NATO is essentially an instrument of U.S. foreign policy. So, to extend your point, a solution, I.e., negotiations, will only be possible when the U.S., that is the Biden administration or some successor regime, is able to exert control over the Neocon cabal in the U.S. State Department/NSC. And don’t forget, the likes of Victoria Nuland and Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman still drive policy. If I had to guess, until major changes occur in Washington, a frozen conflict remains a likely possibility.
When I look at pictures of the Kakhovka Dam the flood waters I see are of blood. I think: “Oh, boy. Somebody is going to pay for this.”
Personally, I see peace as “death to the last man.” Or, as in Ukraine’s case “death to the last cross-dressing, drug addicted, grifting parasitical, midget, moocher.”
It’s not just Ukraine. The world is dealing with a rabid animal in the United States and the West. There is no negotiating with crazy, or a hysterical schoolgirl. There is only one option here. Put the animal down.
So far nobody has taken responsibility for blowing up anything. And those responsible know why. Perfect crimes should be rewarded with perfect deaths.
It’s either “death to the last man,” or “kill them all and let God sort them out.”
It’s nuke time.
Humanity cannot be rebuilding the world from scratch over and over again. Look at any of these so-called cradles of civilization. Greece for example. And Rome. Rome doesn’t have sink holes. Rome has collapsing basements thousands of years old. They are all heaps of rubble. That’s what humanity has become. Rubble. There’s no future in that. Forget the shifting sands of time. There’s the shifting rubble beneath our feet. You can’t build a future upon rubble.
It’s nuke time.
Right on, friend!
I sympathize with the notion that we need a “greater” reset rather than the one Schwab has in mind.
It is never nuke time.
The rest of the world can live and develop just fine while the west implodes in on itself in isolation.
No need to take the rest of the world down just because the west finally is forced to face reality.
Your suggestion is typical of the spoiled western masses and their “leaders”- if we can’t be the boss, nobody gets to live.
How pathetic.
It appears that UKR and West are finally directly clashing with reality and losing badly.
Put in real perspective from this point, RU have made all the right choices – made themselves look weak while greatly attriting entire West, let propaganda do their job, just to finally crush it in the end and prove beyond any doubt that West is losing without any hope.
Of course, this is war and many things could still happen, but at this point it appears that end of propaganda is coming to a violent death, and not really that far in the future
I long ago found the stories told by the MSM unbelievable and so looked elsewhere for news. Larry Johnson and the gang have in the long run proved very prescient.
I don’t think the Russians will accept anything but total surrender. Joe Biden and Boris Johnson should but won’t be tried for the he needless deaths and maiming of a huge number of men and the destruction of much of the infrastructure of a country that had little functioning infrastructure to start with.
The Western countries are stirring up great hatred amongst the populations against both Russia and China I would assume to set the stage for a global conflict, one they have no hope of winning. It is only a few days ago the Petraeus was assuring everyone the the Russian troops were on the point of collapse .
I didn’t think I would live long enough to see this day but absent of being hit by a bus I guess I will.
If the common citizens in Kiev want peace, they will have to fight for it.
By the way… where is Zaluzhny right now ?
Kyrylo Budanov, who was literally all over the press, hasn’t been heard from since the Kiev strike. Search engines and Western media appear to be covering up something here.they must be incapacitated or dead.
Where are the Ukrainian people? Where are the American people? If they want peace and sanity, and all that, then where are they?
“Ukraine, however, has ample reasons to bring the war to an end.”
Thank you for your illustration of “strategic framing” of “The United States of America/NATO” not restricted to “Ukraine”.
If the human race is to have a human future then the West – Nato, US, Uk, vassal states – must be defeated and western wokery crushed. They care so much about LGBTQ etc etc and all that toxic rubbish and about destroying Christianity they will go to war over it. Russia cannot compromise. It must win outright and end the demonic western ideology for ever. Have you heard of the International Movement of Russophiles? Time for everyone to choose: pro-life, pro-male and female, pro-family, pro-national sovereignty or pro globalism and slavery. And we can start with crushing by truth the lying western bought and paid for journalists and media. Thankyou
Very well said!
“Thank you for your illustration of “strategic framing” of “The United States of America/NATO” not restricted to “Ukraine”.”
“IS A NEGOTIATED PEACE AGREEMENT POSSIBLE IN UKRAINE?”
Between whom, when, where, and how?
There will be no peace treaty. In my opinion this is only more BS, like that statement about some Nato members wanting to send troops to Ukraine, if they don’t get solid promises to get Ukraine into Nato. Utter BS. The whole US/UK/EU/Nato-cabal is fearing Russia now more than before. Russia withstood the sanctions, they prooved to be a true military superpower and certainly no-one sided with the west agains them.
Sending weapons and money and hoping for some miracle offensive to “recapture lost terriories/ expell Russian troops” was/is and always will be utter nonsense. The west is again importing more gas and oil from Russia. They can’t function/survive without Russian energy imports. MSM isn’t even picking up on that huge loss of face anymore. Every sane and reasonable spectator of this western planed and provoked conflict knew from the begining that Russia would be victorious. They are the only adults in a room full of spoiled, arrogant and quite frankly (pardon my French) retarded children.
Russian tribunals are coming.
I suspect the idea of putting Polish boots on the ground inside Ukraine is now oh-so last-week.
You know, back in the good old days when the West could still kid themselves that their stuff was so VASTLY superior that the Russkies will just drop their rifles and run at the first whiff on gunpowder.
Now it’s a week later and it be like ….. err, maybe best to give this gig a miss.
It must be a sobering thought that Leopard 2 tanks aren’t JUST being destroyed – they aren’t even managing to fire a shot in anger before blowing up.
That’s gotta concentrate more than a few minds…
I suspect the US will try to push their vassals in front of the bus. Look how they abduct people in Ukraine and throw them into battle. This is pure evil at work here.
The poles have proven to be useful idiots in history. The question is, if they see what is coming at them and will they fight their puppet government to avoid being used next.
Nato is a nothing-burger. Everyone can see that now. The world is multi-polar already. Just look who is showing the finger to the US.
If I was Russia, I would openly declare that any forces coming from that Nato-block are indeed Nato forces and that by doing so I would see that as a declaration of war against Russia. Let them open that can of worms and see what happens next.
Nato has gone to far already. They are part of that conflict and denying it will not make it different. They want war, they will get it. Just nuke them already, so they know who they are dealing with. US is next in line anyway, as they pull the strings in Ukraine and Nato. So slap that Nato country and annihilate US leadership and military decision-centers. We all know that the west will never stop. They will always harass others or bully them otherwise or kill them by drone-strikes telling everyone that this is the price for their democracy. They deserve no better.
Negotiated agreements happened back in 2014 with Minsk 2. They had their chance and they blew it – as confessed by the mouths of Hollande and Merkel. This time around Ukraine and their patrons will have to lump it. Next time STICK to the agreements. A marker will be laid down
I like that Sean Connery line in one of his films –
“Sometimes the only way to peace is on the other side of war.”
Personally I dont see peace happening without the destruction of America.
Pretty much the same for Great Britain too.
I imagine a few NATO nations will come to their senses and turn on their current masters, America and Great Britain.
I think France, Germany, Spain, Italy and the rest have figured out they are being dismantled and destroyed internally.
It’s gotta be a route in the espionage scene too. These yahoos in the west openly went after everyones kids. I cant even begin to imagine the amount of people in the Western abc’s who instantly went to work for the opposing teams when that became apparent. Gotta be double agents or whatever they call them everywhere now. Command totally compromised.
I just hope the nukes are on target and it’s over fast for us here in the states. No lingering drama or pain. Just insta-ash.
One good picture from KSA: https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2023-06/230606-antony-blinken-saudi-crown-prince-MBS-ac-837p-55c32e.jpg
via the blog http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/06/wow-whats-missing.html
and one good comment there:
Paul Greenwood , an hour ago
The irony is supreme.
On his return from the Conference at Yalta in 1945 where Roosevelt had shafted Churchill as a sign of the New Postwar Era of British irrelevance…………FDR made a visit to Britain’s ally Ibn Saud to invite him to sign up with the New Power in the World………
The US-Saudi love affair could not have started on a more symbolic date: 14 February 1945, Valentine’s Day, in the year that WW2 ended.
The setting was the American warship USS Quincy, in the Suez Canal.
The players were President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Abdul Aziz bin Abdul Rahman Al Saud, the undisputed leader of Saudi Arabia. At stake was the oil needed to fuel the American war effort, and US post-war recovery
So Russia and Crimea in particular are common to both situations !
Unconfirmed source in OTAN Bunker Brussels named Col. брюссельская капуста as confirming that this was playing, faintly but clearly, in the backround at the photo opp where the picture was snapped:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjixLT6DX7M
One picture from western media:
https://cdn-assets.ziniopro.com/var/site_720/storage/images/media2/cover566/2776031-1-eng-US/cover2.jpg?t=ipad_portrait_cover
via https://theweek.com/magazine-stand
Jesus fucking Christ! this is the picture for “16 June 2023” (quote).
I get it that they already paid to the artists and now kinda have to justify the investment by publishign the long ready product. But… ahem… Perhaps they’d better just write those investment off and pay for some new, neutral picture instead.
Attacks on a children´s summer camp and the Zaporozhie NPP in the last hours does not point at any negotiating aim.
Neither do Stoltenberg´s statements….
What points at is at the flagrant evidence that NATO does not save risks in order to escalate, even if a nuclear disaster burns Europe.
That only should inform the European population on the necessity to get rid of such “organization” and its heavy presence on European soil, whose goal is not in any way the defense of Europe, but its necessary sacrifice in the altar of anglosaxon and certain European oligarchs´gains….
NATO has shown its cards, showing with no doubt it is a declared enemy of the European peoples.
Soon its troops will be marching a la Afghanistan way and its colaborators and profiteers in politics and the media holding the aircrafts fusselage and leaving suitcase of dark money on the tarmac…
1) Given the Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 charades, Russia will only accept a complete capitulation.
Would you accept a deal that you don’t have to accept from an entity that had reneged on previous agreements and later publicly stated they were never sincere about those agreements?
2) Russia will accept into the RF the eight easternmost oblasts. What it allows to happen to the westernmost depends on how thoroughly it has been demilitarized and denazified. One condition should be the tearing down of the statue to Stepan Bandera in the Lviv square.
3) Along with other details, the prerequisite to any agreement should include convictions and appropriate sentences for those who participated in the establishment of the bioweapons labs, similar to the Nuremberg trials.
Those who participated in the establishments of the bioweapons labs, and those who participated in the blowing up of European vital energy infrastructures and agricultural lands.
There is a current war by foreign agents on European agriculture of which the blowing up of the Kakhovskaya Dams along with the opening of floodgates up the stream and Dneproges with te aim of augmentine the flood of lands is a definite part.
There are here a lot of crimes against humanity, eco- crimes, crimes against public health ( on the part of the same actors who were asuring they were protecting it during the “pandemic”, von der Leyen comes to mind…), and crimes against civilian population.
Then there is the international organ, children and arms trafficking….of which the same actors proffit…
A lot of people is keeping recrods of the crimes, not only the Russians.
In Germany, a recent survey in intention of vote gave a huge surge for conservatives and far- right parties in detriment of the socialdemocrats and “the greens” ( who happen to not see any inconvenient with the blowing up of the Kakhosvskaya Damn and the flooding of agricultural lands in Ukraine, as they do not see anything wrong with the war proper…)
That Merkel and Hollande thought it clever to have announced that Minsk II was nothing but a sham goes to show that the Europeans are no better at picking their leaders than the US and Canada are.
Neither the Europeans, nor the U.S. or Canada are “picking their leaders!
What alternate dimension of reality are you living in Hmmmm?
I slipped.
Larry, I hope you are wrong. The only same and humanitarian thing to do for what remains of the Ukrainian people is to sue for peace.
There will be NO negotiated solution.. That was Minsk 2. Hollande and Merkel admitted that was a sham. This time Uncle Sam needs to learn to stick to his word. Losers do NOT set conditions. A marker will be set down in this regard.
Whatever opinion you may hold of the event, the precedent was set in Nuremberg in 1946. The Russians, being legally scrupulous, will not stop until the 21st century version of a War Crimes trial takes place. As they will not have to share the bench with any other state, you can be assured that every sentence handed down to the political leaders of NATO will be Death by Hanging.
By 1945 the Germans were glad to be rid of the NAZI regime. I doubt the peoples of the NATO countries will shed a tear when their oppressors are led to the gallows. The lucky ones will cheat the hangman by virtue of their already advanced age.
“His winnowing fan is in His hand. The wheat He will gather into His barn. The chaff He will burn in unquenchable fire.”
+100
This war won’t end until there is a Russian viceroy in charge of all Ukraine (think Macarthur Japan) Denazification will take decades and you need control of all institutions to do it.
At the point where Russia is militarily and economically and where is the West that continues to impose more sanctions, only a clear defeat of NATO and a clear humiliation of the EU and the USA will satisfy Russia.
A change of regime in Ukraine is maybe the first step. The departure of Biden this year may open the door to a change but after the constant humiliation that Russia has suffered off before the SMO , Putin will expect more that excuses.
Remember that video of Victoria Nuland recently publicly saying that we are planning this offensive with the 404 and doing all sorts of table-top exercises? Well, if there was a peace negotiation, the likes of Nuland would have to answer uncomfortable questions about why this “counter offensive” failed with thousands of dead and 100s of pieces of equipment burned in just a few days. I mean, what kind of planning is that?
The likes of Sullivan, the recent speech by Blinken about how Putin has grossly miscalculated – all of this will be played on TV and questions will be asked if Russians win or even if a negotiation is carried out.
Same with the Europeans (have you noticed recently how Macron disappeared from public light – is he hoping that people will forget his statements about 404 winning?) – Ursula, Gardener Borrell, Bearbock, Scholz, Sunak… – they would all have to answer the questions.
Then there is the 2nd echelon – journalists (or should I say “journalists”?). All these analysts – I am pretty sure there is a whole bunch of them who we all remember lying about the insignificance of the fall of Soledar, Bakhmut etc. etc. Would they not be publicly made fools of by simply reproducing their video analysis or their written analysis? BTW is this why recently the 404 analysis is penned by “CNN staff” as opposed to particular journalists with a name?
Not to mention the money spent, the fact that the lying would be exposed – two years of non-stop lying and denying, that would further erode the almost non-existent trust in this American regime (yes, regime, let’s call it what it is). This would have wide ranging consequences in all other aspects of politics in the west, to the point of risking total collapse of already shaky status quo that is barely maintained in the face of breaking supply chains, rampant inflation, increasing taxation etc. etc.
Anyway, my conclusion from the above is that there will be no peace negotiation, at least not from the American side. See, the investment in this is so high – so many people would be made to look like the incompetent, arrogant, uneducated fools that they are – that they would rather burn the whole world then expose themselves as the losers.
Amen.
winner, winner……..Chicken Kiev Dinner!
“Remember that video of Victoria Nuland recently publicly saying that we are planning this offensive with the 404 and doing all sorts of table-top exercises? ”
From the looks of Ms. Nuland, the only tabletop exercise she excels in is eating.
To paraphrase the great insight of Upton Sinclair: Nothing can compel a man to understand a situation if his salary depends on his not understanding it.
I don’t know what the Russian interpretation is; I’m sure they have one: “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”
I prefer Bush’s version. ‘A fool’s born every minute and now you’re stuck with me’.
Simplicius’s SITREP today interestingly describes the bunching of dead IFVs and tanks being likely due to the attempts to pass disabled vehicles and running into the mines swept aside by the Full Width Mine Ploughs (FWMP).
Another giant leap of progress by the west – instead of developing more robust explosion-proof mine ‘sweepers’, the method decided upon was building vehicles to push unexploded ordinances off to the side.
GENIUSES!!!!
And no one was there to skeptically question the logic of keeping the mines unexploded while they have only one path to avoid certain death.
No wonder the west is losing and will continue to lose badly! The west’s lack of ability to retain high quality minds to work in their DOD spend fest has led to this type of failure.
AND WHAT A FAILURE THIS IS!!!!!
As Forrest Gump said “stupid is as stupid does.”
Seems to me the chain flailers always made the most sense, although have no idea how they’d hold up to more powerful mines.
Russia really has no choice, NATO has backed them into a corner and proven itself completely untrustworthy in negotiations. Russia needs to take the 4 Oblasts and depose the Zelensky government before they can wind this up. They will probably also take Odessa and a land bridge to Transnistria. At that point they can start to rebuild.
But what about all the big deals Zelensky inked with Larry Fink from Blackrock??
It would be a shame to see Blackrock’s big deal get blown up.
It’ll be interesting to see how Mel Gibson’s new doco goes down with the 404 Fanclub?
Or how it goes down with the people responsible for our southern border now feeding the pedos with thousands of untraceable children.
The Ukrainian armed forces seems to be ideologically comitted to the war like the Neo Nazis unlike Z who’s just being opportunistic and trying his best to make the maximum amount of money in the shortest possible time without being assassinated – In this circumstances where the war is not really about the nation but what the fighters believe is the right ideology, it can only stop with a fight to the death which unfortunately in this case means the ukronazis and their western supporters
Yes. All I see is a Ukrainian element who have realised they should have thrown in the towel back in February 2022.
I don’t see any group capable of negotiating with Russia and making guarantees about future rump Ukraine behaviour. Not in Ukraine, not in Nato, not in Europe.
the Ukro404 should have respected the Normandy, Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 treaties but the amerikans in power in Kiev (biden, nulan, mckain …) did not want …
Indeed they should have. But their banderite leaders are frankly prone to terrorism and genocidal at heart and as a result, ended up digging their own graves and our enlightened western leaders were all to eager to gift them the shovels.
That’s life I guess, and life will never be the same for the survivors. Another one of those catch 22 moments in history.
Russia’s greatest threat is Biden. Or rather Biden’s handlers. Russia will sit down at peace talks. While continuing the destruction of the Nazi regime.
And Russia will continue until complete capitulation or thru the 2024 election. I think the ballots are already counted, but the legalistic Mr. Putin probably has more faith in the USA than I do.
If Biden loses Europe folds immediately. The increasingly clown like Mad Ludwig UK would keep up their nattering. But that would be all.
Ukraine is only a pawn in the big political game of the elites. We wait to see who our new Masters are.
The foreign agents in the European Comission and European countries have declared a war on agrolands and European agro-powers, starting with Holland, passing for Spain and ending with Ukraine….
https://twitter.com/QuasiDixit/status/1667230741543919623?cxt=HHwWjoCxxdXhmKMuAAAA
Unveiling the EU is not an economic club for the beneffit of the European members in a unique market, but on beneffit of foreign oligopolies which have now taken over and proffit introducing extra-EU products….from Morocco, India, and so on, which are exempt of the Eu directives on detriment of Euroepan products…
This is the joint action of Ursula von der Leyen and Thierry Breton…
Along with NATO, the EU also will fall as enemies of the European peoples….
Gosh, Biden’s failed “lie-about” campaign.
Are perhaps it is the 1 percent’s campaign, whomever it is that mired the US into this “taxpayer quicksand war” that seems to have given the military industrial complex lots of wealth and gotten rid of a bunch of old mothballed war relics.
When the dust clears, I wonder if what happened in Ukraine will be lost to any other county on what happens if the US comes knocking. That the US leaves a burned out shell wherever it goes. Most of all that what happened in South American, the Mideast is now fully showcased in the EU. That by now hopefully, not be lost on US citizens either.
It seems to me that Russia has adopted the policy of the US towards the end of the civil war. The north realized they had to not only eliminate the military capacity of the south, but the entire culture that was producing men who were willing to die for the southern cause and raise up such great leaders as Lee and Jackson. Hence Sherman destroying everything on his march to the sea. While I don’t think Russia will pull a modern day Sherman and destroy everything in its wake, the demilitarize and denazify doctrine will produce the same result. No peace will occur until then.
Someone once said you can’t fix stupid.
https://www.rt.com/news/577748-pentagon-ukraine-weapons-billion/
Military: we need to negotiate an end to this war. We’re losing badly. Hundreds of thousands dead. Equipment destroyed. Infrastructure taken out. The environment getting devastated. Millions have left the country.
Z: if we negotiate a truce to end the war Nuland & Co will stop all funding. Your salaries will stop, the economy will collapse. We will be lunched in the street.
Z & military: well let’s carry on. Who knows maybe we’ll do better militarily.
Nothing short of an UNCONDITIONAL surrender, and Nuremberg-style justice for Zelensky and all his ethnic-cleansing crowd for all their egregious crimes against Humanity. They’re like cornered rats looking for an out. Don’t let Evil out!
The Russians would be crazy to offer any concessions beyond agreeing not to kill all of them. Should Ukraine split along the river thwe so-called “rump” Ukraine would just become another DC and NATO playground with bio weapons labs, terrorist training camps and all the mischief that was going on previously, the human trafficking, gun runninng, money laundering and drug trafficking.
The west had proven itself to be incapable of holding to ANY agreement, and the Russians know this.
Even at this stage the west is still shit-talking.
Russia has nothing to gain by agreeing to anything too much water had gone over the dam so-to-speak.
I’m betting that the Z won’t make it to his luxury exile in Miami or enjoy those all the millions he skimmed or was paid.
They’re Bandera seed, and they’ll go down the path of their Nazi godfathers. Some will be buried in their bunkers, some will kill themselves, others will flee like rats, taking their loot with them, and the last will be caught and hung for crimes against humanity.
Some will join their brethren in Canada, where they’ll continue to spawn a new generation of Children of the Corn.
And who’s going to do this overthrowing? Zaluzhny was probably the only Ukranazi general with the stature to pull it off, but he’s, shall we say, unavailable. All the rest are just glorified office boys bar Syrsky and as a Russian defector he won’t get any quarter from Russia and he knows it.
And, how do you “sue for peace” when one of Russia’s goals is de-nazification? That is a benign term for killing off Nazis. I’m sure the Nazis in Ukraine wouldn’t go for it, and they’d keep fighting anyway, and I doubt, since the Ukrainian military is full of Nazis, that they’ll volunteer to hand them over.
It’s a Catch-22 for Ukraine – the only solution is for Russia to keep going until they rub out the Nazis, but Ukraine can’t even surrender because the military is Nazis. To use the polite, concise term for the situation, “they’re fucked.”
As to all the rest of the story, NATO, et al, we still have to go through all this process to show NATO as a paper tiger so the hegemon will be shown to the world as neutered. Russia, and China, play the long game, and that’s the long game.
You are right, Larry. Russia will not “re-enter” negotiations with Zelensky. My own view is that the early talks in Gomel and Istanbul last year were a diplomatic kabuki from the Russian POV because Russians knew from the start that the US &UK would not accept whatever agreement was reached. They understood also that Zelensky is a nobody, a “captive” of a nasty clique that rules the Ukrainian security apparatus that would never accept a humiliating retreat and would certainly kill him if he signed anything with the Moskali that would give them what they want. People like the two Alexes on the Duran are too naive and partisan to grasp the Russian tactics and aims, which I believe never changed and which are to reclaim the east of the Big River and Odessa, and expel the “aнглосаксоны” (Anglo-saxons) from Kiev. Nothing short of that would do. I laid out my view on Russia “negotiating” an end to the conflict in March: https://medium.com/@jirisevera/ukraine-a-theatre-of-the-absurd-of-sorts-fa430e4a4bcd
“My own view is that the early talks in Gomel and Istanbul last year were a diplomatic kabuki from the Russian POV …”
Absolutely! I remember people panicking that Russians are going to sign something, and that they have sent incompetent representatives (I don’t think anyone could remember who they were). Putin knew there is no chance for peace, and have sent someone just for the show. It was so obvious that even southfront.org wrote an article about it, and told everyone to calm down.
The media reports modest gains of
territory by Ukraine. The USA would like a ceasefire and negotiations that would drag out forever and that would be portrayed as “Russia is trying to get in negotiations what they could not do on the battlefield.”
Russia has not achieved its objectives it will continue its cause. I don’t
know the politics in Russia but I assume the war has popular support.
There is entrenched opinion in the USA that Russia is laboring in Ukraine and the US military would roll in the same situation. Other than a complete collapse of Ukraine that perception(and perceptions are people’s realities) will continue. Of course, all bets are off if Russia and NATO(US) military square off.
I don’t think the media could BS forever.
I could see a notable US media person reporting live in Ukraine getting baked on a broadcast. Government suppresses it and it is on Tik Tok. “Yup Tricia, Sam just exploded.”
I read this morning that the share price of Rhinemetall has plummeted after videos of many burning Leopard tanks have been posted on the web. This is a metaphor for Ukraine’s evaporating chances of surviving even as a nation, let alone as a perspective member of NATO or the EU. Only a cabal as insane and stupid as Biden’s could still think Russia has the least reason whatsoever to settle for anything but total surrender followed by installation in Kiev of a regime friendly to Moscow and opposed to NATO expansion. Those conditions are a sine qua non now.
Some trenchant thoughts on the current situation from Michael Hudson:
“Q: I mean, that’s the goal, right? But, I’m recording this from Moscow, Russia, and since the start of the Ukraine conflict, I’ve had an opportunity to travel to several different cities across Russia. I have to admit, I’m pretty surprised by how little life has changed in Russia as a result of sanctions. I had an opportunity to talk to business people in different industries and they’re also pretty surprised at how quickly Russian economy has adapted to sanctions. So I guess from your point of view, are sanctions still the effective tool that it once was or has it lost its edge?
A: (Hudson) Oh, sanctions have been very, very effective, but I think you’ve got the players wrong. The sanctions were against Europe, not against Russia. The United States calculated two years ago that it cannot compete with Eurasia. It’s losing. It knows that it’s lost the long-term fight for not only dominance, but the long-term fight to be a major player. So it says, “What can we do? We know that we cannot compete with Eurasia, with China, Russia, Iran and the rest, but the one thing we can do is [to] lock in American prosperity by making Western Europe and the English speaking countries, Australia and New Zealand, completely dependent on us.” The sanctions are to lock in European and English-speaking dependency on the US. Russia is just a side beneficiary. The sanctions have done for Russia what our protective tariffs did for the American economy in the 19th century. The sanctions have obliged Russia to become self-sufficient in food production, manufacturing production and consumer goods. The sanctions have helped Russia rebuild its industry and cured it of the neoliberal sort of junk economics that the Americans sponsored in the 1990s. The sanctions have helped Russia and China not hurt it, but they’ve made Europe totally dependent on the United States. This whole NATO war is a war to make the NATO countries subservient. It’s to recolonize Europe. That’s what it is. Not to hurt Russia and China.”
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/06/michael-hudson-on-the-us-economy-surprisingly-resilient-or-potemkin-village.html
” This whole NATO war is a war to make the NATO countries subservient. It’s to recolonize Europe. That’s what it is.”
That was/is a hope of “analysts” but not necessarily the purposes of some “strategists”.
As Mr. Orwell and some others understood, Oceania has been the fall back hope since March 1943, whose attempted facilitation has presented in various forms as a function of linear perceptions restricted by limited tolerances interacting with those with lateral purposes.
“Not to hurt Russia and China.”
That was deemed/hoped to be within the limited tolerances but rendered non-achievable through lack of common denominators in regard to purposes and contingent methods deemed appropriate, as has been understood by some since at least 1969 who increasingly reduced emulations including “divisions of labour” whilst narcissi were often gazing in mirrors of limited framing.
Has you been a student of Henry Kissinger’s prose style i.e. sounding intellectually stupendous but really saying nothing?
in my opinion, Russia cannot deal with ukro404 because 404 counts for nothing;
Russia cannot deal with the €U for the €U it counts for nothing;
it cannot deal with U$A because treaties signed by U$ANATO never counted for anything.
So Russia must go all the way, at any cost; must destabilize the Western financial-military clan, blow up the bank, $ and €, “international institutions” (including the UN, G all, WHO …) and redesign an alternative world with other Partners who respect INTERNATIONAL law and not the law of the strongest and the most wicked.
if Russia goes to deal with those who do not respect any values, any rules other than its own, it has lost;
sooner or later the €U$rahell mafia will make you pay dearly
I am not optimistic that the West (USA, Nato, 5 Eyes, EU) will back down until they get a real beating, meaning they lose a military encounter badly and decisively on their home territory. These people are capable of so much evil (poster child being the Biden regime), that I have actually started revisiting the religous notions of my youth. Bioweapons, sanctions upon starving people, the sacrifice of Ukraine. These are not people you negotiate with, if they are even to be considered “people”, lacking any moral sensibility or conscience. Reptilian overlords? Maybe just demon possessed. I guess the Bear is going to have to “Arise, devour much flesh”.
You all have it wrong …
You have to explain the relentless and delusional claims that the West has been / is making regards the upcoming ‘Ukrainian Victory’ …
Likewise all the other delusions Russia is charged with: Skripals / Syrian OPCW / MH-17 / Russiagate / EU Oil embargo / Charge of the Light Brigade … etc … etc …
All whilst the Washington nutjobs simultaneously know that the entire Narrative is deranged … because they constructed it all in the first place. You must remember they are NOT stupid and NOT deluded …
But deranged … Absofekinlutely ! They’re rabid, insane serial-killer-grade psychopaths … Oh Yes ! … Think Jeffrey Dahmer … cold, calculating … and showering on the dead bodies of his victims, They swim in the Dark Slick waters, far out over on the other side of the Calm Blue waters of insanity … but they are exceptionally intelligent and calculating … the very most dangerous of psychopath types: clever AND competent … How do you think they have held power for soooo long ??
So … extremely clever … and they don’t ‘go along’ in some Overton Window … that’s constructed just for the sheeple-consumption … they are Demonically clear thinking …
Every granular detail is pre-planned and contained within their Agendas, and what they wish to obtain.
They’re claims are the Russian ‘autocracy’ is close to a failed State, and just needs a little push to tip it over; and that Putin-Hitler is terrified of that happening. All that despite the exact opposite being true. That is all for public consumption …
Their Primary Objective is: to engineer a situation so NATO has to be ‘legitimately’ involved.
Certainly in the face of World Opinion. Even the rabid Neocons know they can’t be seen to have caused a NATO intervention …. it HAS to be Russian in origin …
So their options are narrow and very high risk criteria: WMD of some sort … Biological or Nuclear … and they have shot the bolt on Bioweapons … because of the White Helmets interventions in Syria …
So … what fits ?
Here’s a scenario: ramp up the MSM ‘Russian nuclear-weapon’ scenario for a couple of weeks … take a back-pack theatre-nuclear device provided by the US/CIA/UK … into Ukraine to some semi-critical location.
Then detonate it … say about 2 kilotons.
Some 2000 to 5000 (Ukrainian of course) military personnel killed … some minor infrastructure destroyed …
Big Badda-Boom ! ..
AND … and this is the Big One ! … immediately claim Russia has used a nuclear weapon …
Game changed ! …
It’s all about Plausible Deniability …
One small thermonuclear step … and everyone of the NATO and Neocon targets achieved:
1. A rationale for NATO/US/UK full-metal-jacket intervention …
2. All the sheeple believe it … because of all the previous Putin-Hitler filth …
3. Massive DARVO in blaming Russia for the attack …
4. Becuase Putin has been losing and has panicked, just like they said he would …
5. Then a winning: ‘You’re with Us, or against Us ‘ moment …
Stages 6 to 26 are all guess-work … but there is no good outcome …
_________________
So … I think you are all wrong …
I just hope instead … that I am …
I keep thinking perhaps the U.S. has assurances from the Chinese that they will backstab Russia at the right moment, since they were so heavily involved with the Bidens and Biolab shenanigans. And thats why they are so confident in the face of overwhelming loss. Doesn’t matter what happens in Ukraine as long as Russia falls apart and the resource grabs begin.
I imagine in that scenario the U.S. has promised China a huge chunk of Russia or something. It’s the only thing I can think of that would make you continue to announce victory in the face of certain defeat.
The Russians have also issued conditions for changes outside of Ukraine. Generally, a guarantee of mutual security treaty with NATO, and NATO pullback.
More specifically that might have to include a roll-back of NATO to its 1992 membership. Now, I doubt that they can force the new members to withdraw from NATO, and those nations won’t do it voluntarily. However a compromise might be possible where the agreement specifies that the newer members of NATO will not permanently host bases, facilities, weapons or troops of any other NATO member within their own borders.So Finland, Poland, the Baltic States, etc stay in NATO but only have native forces in place.
I would also add one more provision the Russians have not asked for. If I were the Russians I would demand that NATO maintain the sanctions in place for the foreseeable future. They are hurting NATO and strengthening Russia more than the other way around.
It seems clear that as long as there is any entity styled ‘Ukraine’ that [1] is not completely under Russian military control and [2] shares borders with NATO countries, it will be a source of NATO-sponsored infiltration, terror and sabotage – like the Belgorod raids and cross-border drone and artillery attacks. The unelected, unaccountable people who really direct US foreign policy just can’t help themselves. I expect the Russian public sees this too.
So – after decades of western lies and treachery, notably the 2015 Minsk deception and the bad-faith March 2022 negotiations – the future looks dim for any Russian leader who falls for a desperate western bid to ‘freeze’ the conflict.
Clearly people like Vivek Ramaswamy have moved on from denial and anger, and have entered the bargaining stage. Yet another mind-reading ‘Putin whisperer,’ he fancies that the Russian president is Xi Jinping’s junior partner, chafes at his status, and might be willing to break off his alliance with China in return for a frozen Ukraine conflict. His proposal might have worked, in some form, if NATO had offered it in good faith in March 2022. I can’t imagine the Kremlin would accept it today.
Others, like Reznikov, appear still mired in denial: Just which stated goals of the SMO does 404’s top diplomat want Russia to disavow? Denazification? Demilitarization? Are you f***ing kidding me?
The entire western corporate media plus the American uniparty continue to oscillate between denial and anger. WaPo headline earlier this week: ‘Coming soon to a 2024 GOP debate: Appeasement of Russia.’
I really don’t see why Russia should settle for any outcome short of advancing the defense-in-depth of the Zaporozhia and Donbas fronts all the way to 404’s entire western border. Who knows, if the Poles, Romanians and Moldovans find themselves staring down the barrels of Russian tank cannon at their very border, they might recover their sanity. It would send a strong message about the perils of NATO membership to the Baltic and Scandinavian hyenas as well.
Yes to all that. Russia to extend its buffer state of Rump Ukraine all the way to the Polish border etc. is only a balancing of what NATO was attempting to do to Russia in bringing Ukraine into NATO. But Russia would have to accept that it would have to administrate this new area as a buffer against the West. Surely it understands this already as the old Soviet Union recognized this need since the Stalin years. Even so could we expect the West NOT to continue subversive acts and even guerilla military operations subsidized by the West. So a kind of Afghanistan reality is a distinct possibility ahead for Russia and Rump Ukraine.
FWIW,
L. (the other Larry Johnson)
The bloodshed will continue even after the Ukrainian Army is defeated. It will be then a guerilla type of war and still supported by NATO, although more modestly. It will force Russia to take Western Ukraine as well. Politically the West can say the war continues valiantly for Ukraine with the hope that Russia gets mired in it for years.
FWIW,
L. (the other Larry)
There is another alternative albeit a very stupid one. Try and draw in nato with troops and defeat Russia. They reason that Russia will be overwhelmed but even in the face of defeat they will not use nukes and therefore the west will prevail. This is fraught danger. What if it is the nato that fails in disaster and threatens the use of nukes? What if if russia starts to lose and decides to use nukes? The Europeans are acting very foolishly by following US interests as their own. If push comes to shove it is Europe that will be eliminated as a society. Suppose Russia and nato under us leadership go to nuke blows in Europe. By the time Germany, France, UK and Italy get vaporized, the US will sue for piece with Russia to save itself from a nuclear holocaust.
Zero chance AmeriNATO can challenge Russia in Ukraine.
#1. Logistics- Very far from America, a long distance across Ukraine without cover. Right next door for Russia.
#2. AmeriNATO is largely out of functioning equipment and ammunition
#3. Russia is now experienced with their military highly mobilized and their military industry running 24/7, production increasingly weekly and factories expanding at a rapid pace.
Russia has it’s lowest unemployment rate ever right now- largely due to military production and operations.
Amazing how many Americans and other westerners are oblivious to this reality and continue to think they have any chance of winning this conflict without globe destroying nukes.
Not sure of what the exact objectives of the SMO are except to remove nazis and clear Ukraine. I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia didn’t just conquer the entire country and keep Russia safer and I hope they expose the corruption. I don’t believe that any justice will be delt by the west as we know the war crime trials by us would be a nothing. I say go get em Russia and Ukraine will be better in the short/long run.
It would be funny if Russia laid out an acceptable negotiated settlement now. The Ukies would be like “whaddya mean, you get Odessa, Kharkov, Sumy …?”
Of course, Russia is better served by not yet making it obvious that those cities will be Russian.
The ukies had their chance. They considered a federation to be anathema. Well, so be it.
The Ukraine’s Political Class is between a rock and a hard place. Ukrainians are doing the fighting & dying, but the real war is between the US and Russia.
The Ukrainians are totally dependent on external NATO (primarily US) support. Not just military support – the US is paying pensions and other benefits for Ukrainian civilians. If the Ukraine seriously opened negotiations with Russia to end the US proxy war, US financial help would dry up immediately, leaving the Ukraine to face financial collapse.
Then Russia would have to step in and support the Ukrainian people — while the US returned to Plan A and supported anti-Russian insurgents within the Ukraine. Sadly, our Political Class would probably count that as a win.
The optimum solution would probably be for the UN to authorize China to provide a strong peacekeeping force in rump Ukraine and for China to underwrite the redevelopment of the area. But the US and perfidious England would undoubtedly veto that in the UN Security Council. The future for Ukrainians and anyone else who trusts in NATO is bleak.
The Ukraine’s Political Class is between a rock and a hard place.
Far as I’m concerned, their prevailing political class crawled out from under a rock in 2014.
Except for Turchinov; he looked like he scampered out from a subway tunnel or behind a dumpster in a dark alley.
Negotiated agreement; Russia may consider this, but history shows that the parties they would have to deal with do not consider any lie to egregious and as we all know, are agreement incapable.
I would ask that we consider the SMO goals not changing. Nothing has occurred to make Russia change its mind.
But consider this. In this conflict, Russia has a small length of twine, tied around the ankle of one of the two stilts that holds up the ukraine. When they are ready, they will simply pull the twine and the whole thing falls over.
But why should they hurry? The dimmed bulbs of Europe are voluntarily eliminating their ability to attack or defend. They couldn’t put an army together because they have likely found people from various nations won’t work with the ones from others any longer. Russia only needs to continue its minimalistic approach and the nations of the west destroy themselves voluntarily.
That, appears to be our future unless we plan an intervention.
Larry, I would like to pose the question, even if Ukraine capitulates, would Russia accept? I think NOT – I think Russia needs NATO to capitulate. So the terms will require, I think, the surrender of NATO decision-makers to war crimes tribunals. Now, how would Russia enforce that? Perhaps by NOT stopping at the Polish border, perhaps with reverse uniformed Ukrainians attacking sites in Poland?
That possibility , I think, keeps NATO/ EU leaders awake at night.
IMO, the larger Russian strategic goal of NATO out of Eastern Europe requires NATO to get directly involved. Or this winter to see an economic collapse in Europe from lack of energy.
Spot on. Anything else would end up a return to the same mess, and Russia must know that.
Thanks Larry, again and again !
for your very intelligent, dexterous and flexible analyse regarding this matter !
I would add -to my yesterday comment- that now Ukrainians can really regret the absence of General Zaluzhny ! Bring it back to a negotiating table with full powers.
He is not dead, this is no time for theatrical actors or politicians negotiating something impossible.
A Slaughter of young Ukrainian soldiers of an army boys is taking place.
This has nothing to do with professional military ! the regular Ukrainian Military is over, finish !
This horrible slaughter that’s happening should be consider a Criminal Act from Kiev political power against his own Military !
Always the Same ! A wrong political decision destroy a professional Army !
Still Ukrainians was a great army, courageous soldiers but without
actual military leadership there is nothing left…
This offensive attack was an Irresponsible decision from Kyiv leadership Civil government and friends, conceive and fantasize like a promotional and Performance Marketing video.
I grew up with ‘Bridge on the River Kwai’ theme and have whistled this song my whole life. Now this ‘Dam’ heavily bombed It remind me that terrible war.
But when a bridge is blown up you can’t go crossing back.
“Besides prohibiting people from speaking Russian, the Ukrainian policy has focused on eliminating every last vestige of Russian culture and history in Ukraine.”
One of the roots of this conflict is that federalism can only mediate differences between similar national groups. Switzerland can make federalism work because the various Swiss nations, who speak German, French, Italian, and Romansh, all evolved for thousands of years under an essentially identical alpine natural selection regime and therefore share common mores (standards of behavior and customs for sublegal conflict resolution). Equal in importance is that each of these groups have their physical geographic space (cantons) where their uniqueness through cultural and genetic perpetuation is assured, therefore they don’t see each other as threats.
Modern Ukraine has the same political geographic boundaries as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic which was formed by international communists in 1922. The latters’ interest, with respect to boundaries, was identical to that of all imperialists: maximizing ethnic diversity within polities for the purpose of easier divide and rule. It is not diversity but homogeneity that is a strength. A unified people will always find it easier to resist tyranny foreign or domestic, and there was much resistance to early Soviet rule, than two peoples who don’t get along and therefore divide their attention between each other and those holding the imperial yoke rather than concentrating their full animosity on the tyrants holding their collective chains. This technique of governance goes back literally to the beginning of human civilization. Some of the oldest cuneiforms from Mesopotamia detail early empires moving conquered populations around within the empire to mix them up: divide and rule. A similar thing is happening all over the West with respect to open immigration. The globalists are simply importing the divide for ‘divide and rule’.
The people in Ukraine when this war started in 2014 were roughly equally divided between pro-Western and pro-Russian factions. The latter includes not only ethnic Great Russians but the numerous Ukrainians who see themselves as one of the Rus peoples (which they ARE) and hence part of Russian civilization. It is clear that people who do not see themselves as belonging to the same civilizational realm cannot coexist within the same polity. It is natural to ask why they did not just partition, since they were already significantly geographically separated (pro-Rus in east and south, anti-Rus in north and west).
One Ukrainian political leader, Vitali Klitschko, did suggest just such a solution, although he was in favor of letting just the Donbass go its own way. His more moderate attitude is certainly at least one reason why Victoria Nuland was adamant about him not being in the new (Ukrainian post-2014coup) government she was organizing, as revealed in the leaked audio recording of Victoria Nuland and co-conspirators. “I don’t think Klitsh should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary. I don’t think it’s a good idea.” I encourage everyone to listen to the full 4 minutes. It’s a little window into what post-American neoliberal democracy actually is, rather than the lies and propaganda with which regime media saturates us. It was scrubbed from Youtube in late 2022 (Orwell’s memory hole), except for a version on a Russian language channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM
Reasonable people might ask why Ukrainians were not themselves deciding who should rule over Ukraine. The answer is actually simple, one of those ‘not seeing the forest for the trees’ kinds of things. Ukraine has no indigenous ruling class. If not pre-existing reality, it becomes an imposed requirement upon incorporation into the Globalist American Empire (GAE) not to have local rulers but instead have local administrators. Ukraine has an indigenous administrative class instead. They do not rule. They administrate, implementing decisions made by imperial rulers both governmental (e.g. Victoria Nuland) and corporate (e.g. Blackrock).
Ukraine, in modern times, has never had an indigenous ruling class. Ukraine (centered upon Kiev) was the birthplace of Rus civilization. The center of Rus civilization moved to Novgorod after the Kievan Rus were shattered by the Mongols. Later the civilizational center gravitated to Moscow where it resided during the aristocratic Russian Empire and during the internationalist communist hijacking of Russian civilization we label as the Soviet empire, and where it remains today. A portion of those living within the 2014 boundaries of Ukraine do not want to be part of Muscovite Rus civilization. They see them as foreigners and want self rule. No one wants to be ruled by foreigners. The western Ukrainians see the ethnic Russians and Russophilic Russophonic Ukrainians in the east as foreigners. They were unwilling to share a federation with them.
The coup of 2014 was the cementing in blood of a deal between western Ukrainian oligarchs (who seized legal property rights over everything of value when the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was dissolved), western Ukrainian nationalists (exemplified by neo-nazis) and the GAE. The deal was essentially opening Ukraine up to be looted by transnational corporations, with local oligarchs getting a cut and the incredibly shortsighted nationalists getting military equipment and training from the GAE (a superficial manifestation of sovereignty) in exchange for serving as occupation troops protecting oligarch and transnational property by suppressing Russian resistance in the east. One in five Ukrainian young fled the country BEFORE the current war because while the oligarchs and transnationals got richer, the plight of regular people did not improve.
The Russian Federation observed this process with growing alarm. They were willing to let things be even after negotiations had failed (the only alternative being war), until the Ukrainians made clear that they were going to join NATO and put a neo-nazi speartipped NATO army equipped with nuclear weapons in eastern Ukraine, aimed straight at Russia. This led to the decision to launch the pre-emptive Special Military Operation.
Every plan is a long shot during a civilizational collapse like what the Ukrainians are currently enduring. However, if the Russians want to reduce the animus over the long term that led to “… the Ukrainian policy [of] eliminating every last vestige of Russian culture and history in Ukraine” then when they impose a political settlement upon Ukraine at the end of this war, they will take into account Ukrainian desire for self rule. This means trying to find a solution where those who rule over western Ukraine are a genuine Ukrainian RULING class, neither another administrative class for the GAE nor collaborator lackeys of the Russian Federation, who have a vested interest in not allowing their state to be used as a springboard by the GAE to attack Russia. I know this is easier said than done, but the alternative is a nasty occupation which no one wants (including the Russians) or throwing the Ukrainians to the wolves of the GAE which will ensure a festering problem on their border in perpetuity. This means willingness to cut a deal with the neo-nazis. This nationalist energy, this desire for self-rule, existed before it attached itself to Nazi symbolism. It existed before, and it’s not going to vanish with suppression of symbology.
It is not nationalism which sparks wars, but nationalism denied, because no one likes being ruled over by those they see as foreigners. The globalists use denied national aspirations as a weapon to divide peoples who might cooperate against them if each had their own space and self-rule. A genuine Ukrainian ruling class leading their people in building a better future free of the City of London – Manhattan – Washington DC axis of evil would be a great blow against globalism.
Why is the field cantina (especially Swiss made) food so good, Corporal asked the cook.
The customers are hardened trained killers, replied the cook.
If Z looks around what does he see – battle hardened trained killers.
Book foreign flights, right now!
To continue fiction Ukraine still exist as functioning nation-state, and all this imply, confuses understanding.
Disintegrating Ukraine — who and what are the various and sundry actors and organizations and states either occupying this part or that and/or have various levels of influence [including power of coercion] over this part or that?
Tease this out in some at least rudimentary and crude, provisional manner — in all its aspects: and then try and make sense of current reality — with this in mind.
Effective Feb. 21, 2014, Disintegrating Ukraine became, without argument: de-facto US & NATO, CIA, MI6–occupied. [Feb. 21, 2022, RF President said: the party’s over.]
This — crimes culminating with Feb. 21, 2014 and since: implicates Presidents Obama, Biden [as VEEP] and Trump and Biden, for starters. This trio, at minimum, would face war crimes charges, should any tribunal come to be in the years and decades ahead, as this conflict eventually settled.
Leaders of NATO bloc in Europe, ditto.
In business realm, companies whose weapons used to commit atrocities and war crimes, and not just Nord Stream and the Dam — the men in CEO suits and shareholders, they would face tribunal.
USA and Bill Clinton and the NATO countries did not accept anything less than the heads of Slobodan Milošević; Obama: Gadaffi, Hussein, and no less a “statesman” than this Obama — his administration said Assad was a “dead man walking.”
Only question our western Nazi leaders — both those currently and formerly in office as representatives of the elites, the Oligarchs ordering them around — only question these scum may one day come to ask is: How much mercy might Orthodox Christian Russian bestow on them.
Bobby Kennedy Jr. would be wise to stop referring to RF President as “thug,” one would think. This juvenile & foolish talk from a man who should know better [is this what they really teach at Harvard?] doesn’t negate a potential Kennedy administration from dealing with Russia and China in a rational manner and as a representative of the people, instead of the western oligarchs he sounds just like when making such crude, banal and arrogant utterances. What kind of father was he, that his son was so ill-educated as to believe this son was going to fight for Ukraine against tyranny?
Might a future Kennedy administration be in the position of actually refusing requests from RF to extradite USA [alleged] war criminals to face war crimes? — Kennedy refusing [and thus protecting] the likes of Obama, Clinton and Clinton, Bush, Biden, Trump, etc.]?
Col. Lang was fond of saying a Napoleon would come along to save USA: might Bobby Jr. be that?
‘‘Napoleon went forth to seek virtue, but, since she was not to be found, he got power.’’ –Goethe
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This war will not end until NATO members agree to walk away from control of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund as China takes its place on the world stage. (De-Dollarization)
Biden’s reputation is not at stake; he has already cemented his place in history as another genocidal anglosaxon.
“The only solution is to overthrow the government of Volodomyr Zelensky by the military and sue for peace”
very interesting thought, Mr Johnson. Puts EU/NATO/Biden and the Empire into an untenable situation, especially if it was greeted with public support.
“Ukraine is ready for negotiations and a peace agreement if Russia changes the previously declared goals of the Special Military Operation.” And should Russia agree to that how is that not a Russian surrender? Oleksiy Reznikov is a moron.
I see a negotiated deal is very possible.
US to withdraw from Europe
US to reduce Navy by 30%
US to cut Defence Spending to European average
I wonder if the first one isn’t precisely what Russia might include in an opening gambit.
I see a negotiated deal is very possible.
US to withdraw from Europe
US to reduce Navy by 30%
US to cut Defence Spending to European average by 2025
I think Russia should offer to enter peace negotiations on the condition that NATO be disbanded. I think that would raise a few eyebrows. Then, after the smoke clears, Russia wins and NATO is effectively done, they could say”don’t say we didn’t warn you.”
Anything other than a Ukrainian victory will spell the ultimate end of NATO, and Ukraine isn’t going to win. I think that’s starting to sink in, and they’re scrambling for some kind of Plan B. But there isn’t one.
I can’t see how this can be solved without the whole of Ukraine being integrated in the RF (and Ukrainians themselves begging for it).
NATO hasn’t ever won anything and just got dumber & dumber but if it doesn’t go to war with Russia for real, they’ll be fine. Obviously we need to spend a lot more on weapons.
more blindness, arrogance and stupidity of the deep-state. They think making war is easy, and then making peace is easy
The Russians will (and should) take everything they want to secure themselves from these clowns.
“Ukraine” does not exist as anything but an area on a map of the earth with the label Ukraine.
Russia is at war with the US of A and, thankfully, that war has not yet expanded very much outside of the border of Ukraine on a map. (Ironically, the “outside the border of Ukraine” just happens to be relatively small parts of Russia, at least before the SMO and the inclusion of the DPR and LPR.)
After the supply of the US’s Ukrainian mercenaries runs out, there is still plenty of brainwashed cannon fodder in the US’s vassal states in Europe who will be hired by “the US” to fight Russian soldiers in the area on the planet labeled Ukraine.
There are also plenty of desperate people in the rest of the world who will roll the dice and seek employment as mercenaries to fight Russian soldiers in Ukraine. I understand that those jobs pay an amazing daily wage.
As long is there is an adequate supply of mercenaries, “the West” will continue to send them whatever armaments it takes to keep the US’s war against Russia going. Over time, industries will miraculously spring up all over “the West” to supply that weaponry.
Does the microscopic percentage of the Russian population that is “Russia” really think that it is going to be able to force the US to surrender its “way of life” without striking the US mainland?
What we know is that up to this point Russia has not struck the US mainland and so far “the US” has not surrendered. We’ll see how long this present unofficial arrangement can go on without further expansion of the war much beyond the map-border of Ukraine.
I can’t end without saying that US treasuries are one of the best investments today. Their sales are funding the US’s perpetual wars. Who’s buying those treasuries? Well, apparently average Americans know a really good investment when they see one.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/us-households-lead-treasury-buying-spree-basis-trades-hit-record-high
As long as investors continue to buy those “treasury” pieces of paper, Uncle Sam will always have the money to pay for weapons and mercenaries and governments. Really great investment, and a win-win situation for all concerned, don’t you think? I wonder if Americans would still regard treasuries as a great investment if the present arrangement I just mentioned expanded wildly.
It is at least plausible that Russia looks at the West and sees that, though long-term trends in Russia’s favor may argue for the kind of strategic patience that Russia had been displaying before 2021, Russia may never face a more unprepared and incompetent Western leadership than it does now.
Russia may insist on inflicting as much full-spectrum damage as possible on the West over the next 2 years, then negotiating the new European security architecture *before* accepting to wind down the Ukraine conflict.
The facts I see lead me to only one conclusion.
1.) NATO/Ukraine cannot win this war
2.) Russia cannot lose this war
3.) NATO/Ukraine cannot continue unless Russia loses this war
4.) Russia cannot lose this war
5.) NATO/Ukraine cannot impose any conditions on Russia to bring about a negotiated settlement
6.) Russia cannot accept any settlement that does not spell the end of Ukraine as a part of NATO now or in the future
7.) Biden cannot hope to win an election if the war in Ukraine is lost or even continuing to be fought
Since Russia can’t lose, and since NATO/Ukraine cannot win or even remain viable in the face of a loss to Russia, nor can Biden survive politically with a continued war, this is going to devolve into a nuclear war.
Why?
Because Biden and the cabal in power aren’t going to give it up. Clearly, they want to jail his political opponent and there has been zero indication that they intend to do anything but destroy Russia. It’s a religion to them and they are as zealous about it as any fanatic.
A nuclear war will make the Covid scam look like a picnic. Anyone who isn’t killed will be under martial law (as they starve to death and die of radiation poisoning). The cabal in power will have dispensed with the Constitution and America as we knew it. So we’ll either be dead or wish we were.
These people are insane. They would rather rule an ash heap than be stripped of power. Their God is power. It matters not if you believe in Satan, because they do.
Don’t make the mistake of trying to understand them rationally or morally. They are neither. They clearly have no qualms about killing anyone who stands in opposition to them. A million dead or a billion, it makes no difference to them.
I wish I was wrong. But I’m not.
Only God can help us now.
“Only God can help us now.”
“God helps (only) those who help themselves”.
The Russians understand this and manned up. They stood up and said “This shall not pass”. In so doing they gifted the the world with a window of opportunity to help themselves.
Much of the Global South saw the window open and took action. The rest of this decade will decide what the West’s peoples do.
By saying “Only God can help us now”, you’re actually saying “Not much”.
Nuclear war means the end. There isn’t going to be a “rest of this decade”. These people will kill us all.
June 8-11 , the only US Tall ship, s/s ”Eagle” USCG, the Coast Guard, visiting Scandinavia. She is very welcome. And if you will see (before quite unknown), a former genuine Naziship, built 1936, Blohm & Voss, Hamburg, then named, ”Horst Wessel”, the Nazi-icon, with the NSDAP´s ”Partei-Adler” (eagle) as her golden figurehead, (as the one in Nürnberg), but became warbooty to U.S.,1945, today sporting a big U.S. Stars and Stripesflag, with the size of ordinary squaretail.
All were there, then back 1936, : Hitler, the real landlubber, (maybe Dönitz, Raeder) but sure even Truman,1953, then Kennedy, Nixon. But maybe this is a typical U.S., PR-stunt in the Baltic Sea, to old Natomembers, and new prospects, what now, soon become a closed Nato BaltOps exercise area. That’s why the Russian Baltic fleet sailing there even, training for the…But how symbolic is´nt this visit, a good lesson in history, (but good taste? in Scandinavia, Norway/Denmark, don’t know,-doubting, came close to 1940-1945, and the German occupations, probably still in fresh memory) but an event: ”that looks like a thought.” The media is silent. But the odds of, when – the three-masted barque s/s Eagle makes a port of call at Sevastopol… ? Up to that : Bon voyage !
And on the 5th day of the most announced military counter-offensive in history, white flag! I would call it a Pyrrhic counter-offensive. It seems that it hurts more to see Western military hardware burning than Ukrainians to bleed!
The Ukrainian PR Army made a giant mistake to buy time with that stupid finger-in-the-lips video and Russia was unforgiving and showed the Leopards and Bradleys burning to the whole world. That’s many millions after the Patriot! And since this proxy war was always a propaganda war, someone had to end up on their knees.
Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov said that “Ukraine is ready for negotiations and a peace agreement if Russia changes the previously declared goals of the Special Military Operation.”
Personally, I think that this guy is delusional: at this point nothing less than unconditional surrender of the ukrainians and meeting all requirements outlined by Vladimir Vladimirovitch in late 2021 would satisfy the russians.
From russian perspective the Ukries and their NATO masters are just Nazi 2.0. And the russians won’t negotiate with the nazis.
Russia after the dollar just fucked up the only US industry. LMFAO! And fuck Ukraine! In this way, after the greatest counter-offensive in history, tomorrow the US MIC calls off the greatest NATO exercise ever.
Russian blunders during first 12 months are not suggesting fast victory to RF neither. Long long war most likely result. Biggest winner might be renewables in Europe. But economy of Russia and EU suffers a lot.
Is Russia’s economy suffering a lot? On which indicators? And what were Russia’s mistakes in the first 12 months? Was it wrong and immediately annexed 20% of the territory of Ukraine? For someone who came only with an expeditionary force manifestly only to force Kiev to negotiate, I would say not bad!
It’s hard for me to understand people who don’t see the obvious when they’re not propagandists. Even that convoy that was said to be 40 km long with which the West had enough fun with logistics was so clear that it was just a demonstration of force for press Kiev to the negotiating table! And it worked. Unfortunately, especially BoJo and countries like Poland boycotted the peace talks. That Kiev is paying dearly today.
If a new Ukrainian government agreed to give up any claims to Russian-held ground, and agreed to a true peace with no backsliding, a peace might be possible. Russia would resume the attack if they do backslide. That new Ukie govt would have to split with the US, which is nearly impossible, so no deal is likely.
“Count me as a skeptic. I think the blood shed will continue.”
Count me as skeptic also.
“Z” and dog pack of his have no ability to “sue for peace” or any other desire they might have.
I’m interested in the S.African, currently meeting with China, then Russia & Ukraine, May come up with.
I could see Russia being agreeable with many of their “solutions”… I can even see Russia agreeing to a “temporary” ceasefire to further “mediate”.
This would be done to honor their “allies”, with understanding that Kiev will break ceasefire truce, probably within 48 hours if they agree at all.
Even though Z and his lot are wholly controlled, there are still many elements and groups within Ukraine that are fully committed to terror tactics, and will not obey “Z” or US and are wildcards because it is obvious, the West has completely lost control over various factions.
Same as in Syria & Iraq. It won’t be long b4 these angry wanna-be gangsters fire on American assets & “Z”s pack. It won’t be long globally b4 these sanctioned Neo-Nazis globally become the next “Alqueda” or US made “ISIS”-like, that they can’t even control all the factions.
Good job USA… terrorism throughout EU coming.
The “South African” has fucked up his country every which way. They don’t even have dependable electricity. Why on Earth would Russia, China, India, or even Brazil want to have anything to do with the idiots in Pretoria is beyond my ability to understand.
Umm, because they’re in Pretoria?
Maybe gold, and other metals/minerals, chromium being extremely critical, and only reasonably abundant in a very few places. Without Chrome, there’s no stainless steels, and no specialty nickel products, both necessary for all kinds of things, nickel alloys being used in various chemical processes with strongly acidic agents. The US has no chrome. Russia does. China is now a major supplier of stainless steel. Chrome is one of those high-leverage elements, among others.
“South Africa possesses huge reserves of chromium, iron, uranium, platinum, vanadium, titanium, lead, zinc, manganese and many other metals required by many countries as the basis for the production of goods.”
South Africa is strategically important to Russia and China, regardless of whether they can keep the lights on. It’s pretty easy to understand. To corner critical elements required for any modern manufacturing or chemical processing, you’d want to tie up SA.
If the US wants to rebuild its manufacturing system to supply their military, where will they source chrome or titanium? Russia (chrome, titanium)? Ukraine (titanium)? SA (both)? See how far out front Russia and China are? The US is so far behind they think they’re in the lead, to use the old racing analogy.
“Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov said that ‘Ukraine is ready for negotiations and a peace agreement if Russia changes the previously declared goals of the Special Military Operation”.
Such as which? All of the three goals of the S.M.O. are still just as important and essential now as they were in February 2022. It is the Ukrainians that will have to change their “goals”, or whatever it is that they have been fighting (and dying) for.
Still this is the first glimmer of hope that reasonable men may begin to get thru to the sociopaths and idiots in NATO.
POTUS Antony Blincoln has made an offer to the Evil Invaders.
Baltic Avenue for Park Place & Boardwalk.
take it or leave it.
I win the bet. Trudeau is wearing HIS uniform to meet with Zell.
Jacketless, loosened tie, sleeves rolled up..
Canada left, right and centre is in it for *as long as it takes..
including the latest panderer (unprovoked Russian invasion) for any votes Pollievre.
Really not sure who we have been sold out to. A case can be made those in charge have decided to destroy the USA. The longer this goes on the more money we spend propping up 404. It’s not like they are efficient with our money.
If the veterans of WWII had been told the USA would come back to Europe and support a Nazi regime they might not have fought so hard. Would you?
Two books come to mind (we’re talking Big Picture now, not this little filip from Ukraine’s defense minister). The Book of Revelation (last book of New Testament) and The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien, a fervent Christian and reader of the New Testament, etc.
‘There’s something going on here, but what it is ain’t exactly clear’. – Steven Stills
There are more than just a few mentions of ‘demonic forces’ at work in all of these comments today. So, subliminally, folks are beginning to “get it”, they just may not know it consciously yet.
I believe this is just the opening move by the Dark Lord. It has all his trademarks. With Death being as ever the paramount (aka Numero Uno). Once this is realized then things begin to sort themselves out.
Someone in these comments pointed out that those in the West who really pull the strings, the ones you don’t really know; in other words the absolute Top of the Pyramid, are not stupid – in fact very intelligent. And not foolish – in fact very calculating and patient. That is a bad combination.
For us, not for them. They’re pretty happy with the way things are going. Just for one example: imagine, if you will (cue Twilight Zone theme) that the “sanctions” on Russia were planned to boomerang onto the West. Yeah.
And we already know that Ukraine 2014 was one of their bigger Operations. So now we have this cluster-fuck situation. There is no way out other than for a lot of people to die, and that is in fact one of the Prime Directive goals of the Top of the Pyramid demons.
Whether you want to call It Satan ala John of Patmos, or the Dark Lord aka Sauron of Tolkien of Oxford, there is a Plan at work which will not be defeated until there is Divine Intervention. Yeah, it’s finally come ot that.
And we here below are, for better or worse, sitting in a ringside seat. Watching The Long Defeat.
“The Long Defeat.”
No, the long transcendence of all.
A couple notes from history & econ.
Soviet occupation forces were conducting divisional level counter insurgency, in west Ukraine, up until 1956. The insurgents were sponsored by the US, who had been handed the contact list by the Nazis! This would be the only place in modern europe that would resist. The pollsters have been out & no one wants to die for their country anymore; nobody wants to be a guerilla in europe!
There has to be a financial crisis in the USA soon, you can run up bills for a while, but some day someone will call you. In 2008, the banking rules that led to the crisis were not fixed, sick banks got free cash. So if trouble (more) starts in the banking sector, it could go far.
Biden has nothing to do with this. With Biden’s physical and mental state that everyone knows he can’t govern then someone else is doing it in his place. And that someone will not stop the war because the Western dead are just mercenaries with no human value and the Ukrainians are not by Western racist standards either.
And the economic losses that are the only ones with any value that is of interest are resolved by printing more money or stealing the reserves of some trusted country.
It is the reality of the world where we live.
Looking at Scott Ritter’s article in Sputnik, the obvious question is why on earth Russia would consider any negotiations at all, as NATO trained troops using NATO equipment are getting rubbed out in the big “counteroffensive.” I think Russia’s view is to keep destroying NATO capability bit by bit until NATO/Ukraine capitulates and unconditionally gives up.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20230610/scott-ritter-ukrainian-counteroffensive-runs-into-defensive-wall-1111050140.html
NATO believes it has superior strategy,tactics, training and equipment. That is proving to be a false belief.
“NATO believes it has superior strategy,tactics, training and equipment. That is proving to be a false belief.”
That is the rub, I think: teaching that lesson to the NATO “leadership” is an extremely important geopolitical win for Russia.
It is more important by far than simply agreeing to “freeze the conflict”, and doubly-so because the Kremlin knows that the reason why Washington is floating that idea is so that it can avoid facing the truth about how inferior their military strategy, tactics, training and equipment really is.
Like the Black Knight in Monty Python’s Holy Grail, they boast and boast and boast about their superiority, and then when they are suitably dismembered it’s all “Let’s call it a draw then, shall we?”
The problem here is that Russian military is lacking strength and competence to give that lesson. In fact 2022 was the year NATO enjoy to see RF military ridiculed and many times humiliated by UAF.
“Biden’s reputation is at stake.”
Really?
Yeeesh. Once again, talk about letting the MSM set the table, the agenda, what can and cannot be talked about Biden’s reputation is at stake? For who? And us hoi polloi are somehow supposed to think that is an issue?
Send all the editors and writers at Politico out into the ride paddies. Or have them clean up Palestine, OH. There CAN be useful, somehow.
The aim of the SMO is to de-nazify and de-militarize Ukraine. As the Kiev regime is dominated by Nazis it will have to be replaced. The de-militarization is working well as NATO is also being de-militarized. Once most of the NATO provided weapons have been destroyed in the current Ukraine counter-offensive the Russians will advance to occupy all of Russian speaking Ukraine. Only then will peace negotiations begin.
“The aim of the SMO is to de-nazify and de-militarize Ukraine. ”
“UNHAPPYSCIENTIST”
And so you should be – you haven’t defined your “terms of reference” and chose to rely on “We the people hold these truths to be self-evident”.
Perhaps you should change your designation to : Not a scientist but I saw her face and now I’m a believer?
I’ve just been over to turcopolier.com where are good buddy TTG has suddenly revealed a fascination with early hominins, the gutlessness of Donald Trump’s lawyers, and the machinations of the US Department of Justice.
Small brains all, I suppose, and he finds that endlessly fascinating.
But, gosh, as far as TTG is concerned nothing at all newsworthy is happening in Ukraine.
Good for a laugh, I suppose.
It seems unlikely Russia will agree to anything but an unconditional surrender, de-militarization, and de-Nazification of Ukraine. The Russians must know by now that the conniving, treacherous, truce-breaking leaders of NATO cannot be trusted to keep any kind of peace treaty or other agreement, so why think they would act any differently after another treaty? I suspect that Putin has learned his lesson, especially when Merkel made it so perfectly clear that the Minsk agreements were just done to gain time for building up a large, well-trained and equipped UkraNazi army that could capture the eastern, Russian-speaking provinces and finish the job of ethnic cleansing.
When I look back on the nine years since the Maidan coup, I’m reminded of the quote often attributed (incorrectly) to Thomas Jefferson: “Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.”
You cannot remove cancer partially, as you will get it later again. It is that simple. Russia will go on until whole ukraine is completely demilitarized and denazified. period.
I am afraid that the US controllers are not only interested in the Russians and the Ukrainians, but also the Europeans, and no one but them and their essential servants. In fact, they would be behind a plan to depopulate the planet, which is why it would be fantastic if the European fools, and anyone who “steps on the stick”, gets directly involved in this war with fresh meat…
“If this report is true it signals a growing rift between the military and political leaders in Ukraine. ”
Does anybody in the West really know what the Ukrainian military wants? Let’s not forget that the entire security apparatus of Ukraine has been infiltrated by ultra-nationalists since the 2014 coup. It’s not just the dozens of Nationalist Militias like the Azov Regiment, officers with ultra-nationalist leanings have been placed in the police, the secrete services (SBU and GUR) and the armed forces of Ukraine AFU. Even Zaluzhnyi, the head of the Chief-of-Staff and the GUR chief Kirill Budanov are know nationalist hardliners.
Before becoming president Zelensky said that ethnic Russians in Ukraine should not be discriminated against. That and that fact that he’s a Russian speaker by birth is probably the reason why the Oligarchs selected him to run for presidency so as to gain the Russian vote in Ukraine.
Thus, the narrative that the military will moderate the politicians seems inherently flawed.
I 100% agree with you. The West and Ukraine are intellectually unable to understand the Russian perspective on this. The West’s neocons are in a permanent state of delusion because they exist in these echo chambers where they constantly engage in confirmation biased discussions.
I have made the comment on the Duran’s Rumble channel several months ago. I think Russia (over their timetable) will take everything to the East of the Dniper river and the Odessa area. Then they will reach out to Romania, Poland, and Hungary and seek to cut up the remaining part of Ukraine to re-establish pre-WWII borders.
That way, Russia will allow the conflict to impact the 2024 US election, split NATO, and make eastern Europe nervous.