Ukraine’s offensive or counter offensive is running into big problems and my friend, Mr. Stephen Bryen, writes the following:
There appears to be a potential big development in Ukraine focused on a negotiated deal with Russia.
Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov said that “Ukraine is ready for negotiations and a peace agreement if Russia changes the previously declared goals of the Special Military Operation.”
Is this genuine? Maybe. However, I think it reflects the Ukrainian point of view and fails to take into account the Russian perspective. With the Ukrainian counter offensive entering its 7th day I do not see any viable path for agreement between Ukraine and Russia.
Ukraine’s policy, until now, is virulently anti-Russian. Besides prohibiting people from speaking Russian, the Ukrainian policy has focused on eliminating every last vestige of Russian culture and history in Ukraine. Can Ukraine really hit the brakes and throw their policy machine into reverse and suddenly say, ‘Never mind?” I doubt it.
While the Western media persists in perpetuating the fantasy that Russia is suffering setbacks and looking for a way to extricate itself from the war in Ukraine, the facts on the ground show that Russia is inflicting massive casualties on Ukraine — both men and materiel — and that Russia is under no pressure to seek an end to the conflict. Nothing short of unconditional surrender will placate Russia.
Ukraine, however, has ample reasons to bring the war to an end. Rational military commanders on the Ukrainian side must now understand that their prospects for inflicting a devastating blow to the Russian military forces is becoming less likely with each passing hour. Russia’s advantages in terms of men, artillery, and air support are thwarting Ukraine’s military ambitions. I do not discount the possibility that Ukraine’s military commanders realize that continued attacks are futile and that securing a negotiated end to the conflict is their only hope of surviving. If this report is true it signals a growing rift between the military and political leaders in Ukraine. The only solution is to overthrow the government of Volodomyr Zelensky by the military and sue for peace. If that happens it will mark the defeat of NATO. Count me as a skeptic. I think the blood shed will continue.
Sadly. Have to agree with your last sentence Larry.
Amen, CC,
And, further, Russians are in no hurry to take UAF as PoW infested with Ukro-nazis. They can wait and then slowly, almost unopposed, advance toward the west, allowing all those offensive individuals to escape to the NATO Heaven 😉
Cheers, JaKo
Let the banderites escape to Poland where the Polish nationalists will treat them like they treated the people of the Donbass. That would be true Karma.
I agree, it will continue until Russia is satisfied, whatever that ends up meaning. The answer to the question posed in the title, “no.”
I disagree. This is not about Ukraine but about breaking US global hegemony. Russia is not about to allow the US and NATO to freeze this conflict only to rearm and remain a threat.
If Ukraine wishes to wind the war down, I believe Russia will escalate and try to keep NATO pouring weapons and money into the Ukie trash compactor.
Ukraine is a Swampite casino, and everyone inside her borders is an expendable casino employee. The Ukrainians were always treated as pawns for international power abusers and merchants of every vice. At this point they are less concerned for Ukrainians than ever, so their only objective now is to bleed Russia no matter the cost in blood and treasure.
If they can’t control the casino they will burn it down and obliterate all life to prevent the Russians from taking one more handful of soil, and render unlivable and unmanageable that which they have.
Our leaders have reduced themselves, our nation, and our servicemen to primitive barbarians.
And has anyone seen clips of Icky Vicky lately? She is even more swollen in her own venom and fat than before. She must be stuffing her mug with popcorn 24/7 and jumping up and down at all the action paction footage.
I agree as well. The Banderites are too well ensconced in the military to support a coup. They are true believers and will fight to the last, as many Nazis did as Russian tanks rolled into Berlin. After all, they can do as their predecessors have done and just move to the US and Canada — where they will be looked after.
The real “owner ” of Western Ukraine is the US. If it loses Ukraine, it use the “Russian threat” to take greater control of Europe– doing to Europe what it had hoped to do with Russia. Not that Europe has the resources that Russia does. But Canada does. So the “Russian threat” and specter of a nuclear war, will be used to institutionalize the colonization of Canada.
In my view only an unconditional surrender from the side of Ukraine (and NATO) will work. You apparently can’t trust Ukraine and NATO (see Minsk agreement). And for that most likely the corrupt Zelensky regime will have to be overthrown.
Hopefully that happens soon so that not many more innocent people on both sides have to die.
The Neocons and “business” interests driving the effort to “defeat and disassemble” Russia are monomaniacs. There are no mechanisms of imperial government that are fit for purpose in stopping the grand strategy that has persisted for centuries. I doubt Russian leaders are foolish enough to swallow the bait and the hook poorly hidden within it. Does not matter what the parts of 404 do or promise at this point. Russia seems pretty clearly to have this in mind — deNazification and demilitarization, and de-industrialization to a large extent, must be pursued to a pretty complete endpoint. The Natzi disease has been spread (thanks in large part to US Imperial actions) pretty far across the world. One hopes the seeming impulse now toward nations involving themselves in the hopeful notion of multi-polarity in pursuit of maybe popular pursuits and local interests might lead to a less suicidal net behavior of our species, but there’s no assurance that will work out either. The Russians seem to be heading in a healthier direction, but Milley’s grudging announcement of “three superpowers” makes it plain, to me at least, that the Empire and supranational corporate powers and Imperial vassals are fully stuck in the rut of seeking through “competition,” a/k/a “hybrid war,” to achieve “full spectrum dominance” and the bleeding out of the earth’s resources for personal gain and satisfaction of the lust for power.
I worry that the current obscure rulers of the Empire and supranational corporations are so wedded to their wet dreams of owning everything and end-stage feudalism that they will activate the “Samson option” that the Likudniks have set up, fire off the nukes, and drag all of down into destruction with them. (The “West’s” rulers apparently believe “Russia will blink first,” and not leave the Perimeter dead-hand system ready to launch the massive new Russian weapons on indications of first-strike actions by the West. )
The Russian side appears to have shown that they see this reality, and I hope for the sake of my children that they would not get sucked in again
Ironically, a first strike by the west would likely see the first explosions in the west as the Russian hyper sonic missiles are that much faster. It wouldn’t be a “dead hand” response, but a very much “alive” one. In addition, Russia can probably take out most, if not all incoming, as I suspect they developed missile defense concurrently to hyper sonics so can intercept the slower US/NATO missiles.
If the neo-feudalists go nuclear, Russia wins there too, without being totally destroyed, like we will be.
my amateur calculations have the hyper ICBMs, with multiple warheads, coming from Siberia to eastern NA, in approx 30 minutes? Lucky for me, I remember my duck and cover lessons.
I lived though that cold war and to be honest, I never remembered any duck and cover lessons at school. I do remember the air raid drills and those civil defense signs at the entrance to shelters though. Black on yellow and sort of triangular in shape I believe.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch:
https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/06/moving-toward-a-global-empire-humanity-sentenced-to-a-unipolar-prison-and-a-digital-gulag/
What if, what if, what if… a nuclear holocaust were the only way to preserve – possibly – the last few vestiges of humanity?
“US Senators Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming have introduced Senate Bill 884, also known as “the Improving Digital Identity Act of 2023.”
“If this bill passes both chambers and is signed into law, it will require all Americans to have a valid digital ID if they want to connect to the internet, open and maintain a bank account, obtain a passport, and gain access to medical care.
I – personally – will not get a digital ID. Will not get the implant or whatever. That means I lose my driver’s license and apparently my bank account and apparently my internet access. All this goes on, but no, watch those guys shooting stuff up in Ukraine.
Maybe, maybe, maybe I can survive a little while as a monk cuz I got those tendancies. and a big garden and lots of firewood. Not that it helped the monks in Ukraine, did it? I’m 68 and I’ve had it with all these endless chains being put on me and everyone else. Not that everyone else sees them so well. That’s how come friends named me Oracle. It sucks.
And it really sucks that widespread worldwide destruction – not just a mini-nuke on DC – might be the only way through.
This is the battle of Kurukshetra.
“previously declared goals’? Hmm, I think he speaks of regime change in Kiev.
Reznikov may look like a bolshevik commisar but I think he recognizes when the CIA starts making noises about throwing Zelensky under the bus.
Preconditions to any peace proposal are a sure sign treachery will follow.
In the beginning, Russia made a very humble request, join the EU but remain neutral and give shelled civilians their human rights back.
Will these subhuman Neocons cease and decist from plotting to destroy Russia? The answer is, NOOO.
No cease fire, go all the way and break up Ukraine. It is a criminal enterprise. Send their criminals into Europe where I am sure they will be welcomed.
As for Biden setting a precedent for prosecuting a former president, he knows this might come back to bite him in the nuts.
Trump is being indicted for misappropriated documents, Biden can face from the next President, should he be a Republican, the responsibility of prosecuting a bribed Vice President with what might be shown as the one who became President and started a war for personal gain, possibly, for treasure or cover.
Trumps base is 40% and the undecided are 20%. These two segments will never vote for Biden. So how can Biden steal an election with 40% of the vote? He can’t. So, he starts a war.
Starting Peace negotiations with preconditions is a propaganda ploy to paint Russia as a war monger that refuses peace and … provide the justification for a war against Russia. Then Biden becomes the war president with all the special emergency powers. This will give Obama a fourth term.
I have a theory about growing old, if a person is at their core an honorable person, their core will condense all their personal traits to support their core. One the other hand, if they are an evil person at their core, their evil will intensify as they grow older. Putin and Biden is my exhibit to this theory.
Remember. I didn’t say anyone is perfect.
American trotskyist neocons and Ukrainian neo-nazis…..a marriage made in hell.
I concur. I will be surprised if Russia accepts anything other than unconditional surrender, a permanent cessation of hostilities by Ukraine and the ceding of all the territory of Ukraine, as prerequisites to stop the SMO.
No ceasefires, no Minsk-style negotiations, no “frozen conflict”.
The remaining Kiev Junta will be held for trial as terrorists perpetrating War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity, even if the US decides to park Zelensky as “gov’t in exile” in Miami or Tel Aviv. Remember Guaido? No one else does either.
What parts of Ukraine will join the Russian Federation and which part will be a neutral, de-Nazified (actually de-ZATOed and de-Rothschilded) buffer-zone rump will be dictated at a later date.
Neither the US/ZATO nor Rothschild Class are in control of this anymore. The WEF/WHO/ZATO will be steadily deconstructed as the SCO/BRICS/RotW system is built out. The BRICS gold-backed reserve-basket currency will quickly replace the US$, and all that $trillions in US Fed paper will flood back to cement the bankruptcy of the US/UK/EU. I think the ONLY way the US/UK will be even allowed to participate in using the BRICS currency system is if they close all foreign bases and withdraw all troops and munitions outside the US mainland. Yankee Go Home finally realized after 100 years, the end of the European/US Colonial Age.
When the Saudi royals jump off the US/ZATO ship, you KNOW the end is near for the PNAC crowd. Getting the Saudis and Israelis to make nice was a major plank in the PNAC agenda… that’s OVER. The Brits put the Saudis in charge in 1932, so to see MBS walk away from the Anglo-Zionists after 100 years is a massive repudiation of US/UK power.
And ya, a cornered. dying beast is at its most dangerous, but the Ukraine is showing how little teeth the monster still has. The Nuland-NeoCons don’t have the nuke codes, and even dimbulb Biden and his inept handlers don’t want the nuclear destruction of the world as their legacy. I’m guessing Ol’ Joe wouldn’t win in 2024 after a nuclear confrontation… And how can the Rothschild Class profit if all the major countries are smoking radioactive shit holes? All that Rapture/Second Coming/Jewish-Messiah Armageddon propaganda/fear-porn is fine to feed to the cowed masses, but the Rothschilds, their minions and their opposition don’t want to be nuke-fodder either. Self-preservation is a strong deterrent.
As the kids used to say, put a fork in it, it’s done.
Martin Armstrong’s computer is predicting no election in ’24.
But even if there is an election what difference would it make at this point.* The uncompromised duo will be isolated and marginalized by a compromised government/media/tech/lawfare cabal. And that even cover election shenanigans.
Biden’s reputation, like his mind, is already in tatters.
After Putin de-Nazifies Ukraine, he will have to continue his de-Nazification into the US and Europe. Hopefully the citizens of those countries will take care of the problem.
Step one is to pull out of the Gates funded WHO and retain our sovereignties against future tyranny.
Zero chance Putin will to go beyond Ukraine borders with his military forces.
Zero benefit for Putin to go beyond Ukraine borders.
However- any form of attack that is directly launched from any NATO territory will be hammered 10X.
Putin will secure Ukraine territory through relentless forward advance until 100% capitulation on Russian terms- which means complete Russian control over Ukrainian territory.
Putin wants Europe to stew in their own pot of crap until they reach the conclusion they are better off friendly with Russia than with America.
Is there a chance for a negotiated settlement? No.
Is there a chance for a peace and security agreement on Russian terms and enforced by Russian soldiers? Yes
Eventually
Correct.
“Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov said that “Ukraine is ready for negotiations and a peace agreement if Russia changes the previously declared goals of the Special Military Operation.”
In other words, lose all the aims of the SMO and any possibility of justice for Russia so that Ukraine and NATO continue on their destructive path and Russia is never able to survive. Russia knows this is an existential matter for Russia and its people and future.
Es wäre sehr zu wünschen wenn der Kampf beendet würde,nur müssen wir beachten wie er begann und jede Wiederholung kategorisch ausschliessen.Das bedeutet tatsächlich Entmilitarisierung und Entnazifizierung.Das hätten leider die armen Menschen in der Ukraine schon lange haben können wären die ausländischen Drahtzieher nicht die die sie sind.Auch Russen und russischstämmige sind ums Leben gekommen in dieser Zeit seit 2014.Odessa und das Gewerkschaftshaus sind noch nicht geahndet.Ich meine die Ukrainischen Verantwortlichen müssen die weisse Flagge hissen und ihren Einflüsterern sagen “verpisst Euch”!Ein anderes Szenario kann ich mir nicht vorstellen.
It would be very desirable if the fight ended,only we have to pay attention to how it started and categorically exclude any repetition.This actually means demilitarization and denazification.Unfortunately, the poor people in Ukraine could have had this for a long time if the foreign masterminds were not who they are.Russians and people of Russian origin have also died during this period since 2014.Odessa and the trade union House have not yet been punished.I mean the Ukrainian officials have to raise the white flag and tell their insinuators “fuck off You guys”!I can’t imagine another scenario.
Never met a skeptic I didn’t like.
What is NATO offering Russia? At best a cease fire with the lands it has already captured, followed by bringing Ukraine into offensive pact, as numerous of their people have stated. Peace is better than war, but it doesn’t resolve Russia’s Ukraine problem, just puts the rerun off for a few more years.
I think Russia is open to a deal but this isn’t it, not even close.
There will be no “deal”. They know the US is not agreement capable.
Russia will present it’s already known terms, and a few new ones that Medvedev has hinted at). If they are rejected the SMO will continue.
A “peace” which is just another time-out to let the Empire have time and space ramp up another attack on “the other two superpowers” is in no way better than war. And the Russians, and the Chinese who are cruising on the back of Russia (smart folks) at present, know this.
People are going to get killed, and have to fight, either way. Always thus. Just a matter of degree of violence. “At peace,” the rulers of the Empire are killing millions by disease, starvation, ever tighter poverty, in pursuit of unbridled hegemony.
The primary goal of NATO is to save face. They HAVE to look tough, and they HAVE to win something, anything, or they will lose a seat or two on the gravy train.
They are not fighting for Ukraine at this point, they are fighting for swollen paychecks, benefits, portfolios, real estate, expensive schools for their obnoxious brats, exclusive resorts, you know, all the thing that justify widespread carnage and destruction.
They were NEVER fighting for Ukraine.
The AmeriNATO gravy train is fast approaching the broken down bridge- not even counting the AmeriNATO debacle in Ukraine.
Not a damn thing they can do about it anymore.
“They” have set in motion multiple self destructive actions that cannot be stopped or reversed.
Now it is simply a matter of time until they reach the bridge and the whole western system comes crashing down.
I, too, fear the bloodshed will continue. Ukraine and her western supporters have made it clear during this conflict that a Russian retreat to her borders prior to the SMO’s launch in 2022 is the only way forward. They still talk of getting Crimea back!
Russia for her part has made it clear that not only will Crimea remain Russian but so will the four regions. And as Russia has demonstrated her superiority in war, I expect that will be what happens.
Russia has also begun to voice the inevitable by saying that Zelensky and his government has to go. The “collective west” will choke on this, but some at least seem to be realizing that better this than drowning in blood.
Sadly without NATO and in particular DC (key individuals and the organisations) experiencing enough pain to be deterred, it’s difficult to see how any negotiated outcome is possible.
I don’t know what will deter these evil people. Unfortunately, I think we can forget any political solution. The 2024 election – if it happens – is unlikely to concern Biden & Co, who seem to have taken control of power in the United States, which is in essence an oligarchy / soft dictatorship at this point in time. America is entering a very, very dark period.
Medvedev’s recent comments seem to reveal that the Russians don’t think any negotiated outcome is possible, and that Moscow may be planning to take all of Ukraine in order to ensure that NATO can’t get a foothold in what remains of western Ukraine and/or to prevent an insurgency.
As I see it if this thing in Ukraine is going to end any time soon, the solution will need to come from the Russian side. On that note (and I know it sounds crazy but still), I wonder if the Chinese and Russians may have a plan in mind.
Let’s see what happens.
Two to three HUNDRED THOUSAND wasted lives later, it’s about time that Ukraine’s “leaders” thought about suing for peace (better yet, a complete and total surrender) — with the Russian War Machine that Ukraine wrongfully provoked and never had a snowball’s chance in Hell of possibly defeating. May the Good Lord have mercy on us all, and especially on the Ukrainian people.
Too late
Too many dead Russians
True, way too many dead Russians (even one is too many, and many ignobly mistreated as prisoners), from a war that was instigated and started by the thoroughly delusional, selfish and evil “leaders” inside NATO and Washington D.C. (Larry Johnson, thanks again for your factual and straightforward, cut-through-the-B.S. insights and opinions. You are providing a very valuable worldwide resource and service to all Truth-seekers.)
Consider: Depopulation is the Western entropic ambition. Getting Slav to kill Slav is their very convenient opening gambit. They aim for a pure Western race to inherit the earth.
That pure Western race is getting permanent sun tan at very fast rate. Those that remain pure should be put in some kind of reservation.
Here is why what you wrote doesn’t make any sense: If the intention was to allow a pure Western race to inherit the Earth, the Euros and Atlanticists would not allow and encourage massive immigration of brown and black people into their countries. That would seem to be the opposite of maintaining “purity”.
White supremacists are according to Biden, America’s biggest threat – yet they’re America’s biggest hope in Ukraine prevailing.
On just that basis alone, the entirety of current White House occupants and most of Congress should be wrapped in strait jackets.
Given total fertility rates and western xenophilia, a western race – by any historical definition – ain’t inheriting shit.
What garbage! Depopulation whilst letting in millions from Africa and the Middle East!
twenty years ago, the central european city I live in was at least 90% caucasian. we`re now down to about 50% indigenous population, with huge numbers of turkic, arab and african “minorities”: so much for the elites` purported aim of a “pure western race to inherit the earth”: if anything, the opposite is true.
the one thing our (caucasian) elites actually seem to want is a dumbed-down, mixed-race population of uprooted, disenfranchised, identity-less gregarious animals…and we`re pretty much there.
Agreed.
Ukraine: We’re comin’ at ya’, Russia! Leopards and all! Hahahahah!
SPLAT!!!!!! BOOM!!!!! CRASH!!!!!
Ukraine: Errr, never mind.
Reznikov: “Ukraine is ready for negotiations and a peace agreement if Russia changes the previously declared goals of the Special Military Operation.”
So Ukraine will surrender, if Russia is the side that makes the concessions.
Perhaps Reznikov hasn’t quite got to that chapter in the military handbook.
yes, the part where the losers don’t get the right to dictate terms for peace. (wtf?)
Loser dictators usually hang, or some other less visible demise.
The west ‘leaders’ are stupid and psychotic: there really is no other explanation
Reznikov’s statement came after Russia said that there must be regime change in Kiev. Before Reznikov had additional demands like Russia demanding it withdraw its troops, give back everything including Donbass and Crimea, and of course, reparations. Oh, and regime change in Moscow.
His new demands sound much more reasonable. Or would’ve sounded much more reasonable a year ago.
Could it be with all those explosions, he’s finally beginning to turn a deafened ear to all the sweet nothings the west has been whispering?
When the Daily Star starts referring to BoJo as Bozo the Clown on its front page, you sort of smell that not all’s well in Conalot.
And who put that sandbag on the stage, anyway?
The Nazis have always lived in a dream world they created (which was a nightmare for others !) and were constantly waiting for the arrival of a miraculous wunderwaffe ! This role of the wunderwaffe is now filled by the Javelin, Patriot, IRIS T, Storm Shadow, Leopard, and then the Abrams, F 16 ! Just like Hitler, Reznikov and his companions are sitting trembling in a bunker, sending the young children and the old to the front, while they dream of a good solution for them, while the Russian weapons are already roaring all around ! For them, there can only be one solution, unconditional and immediate surrender and complete denazification !
I read an article on an austrian page about the site nrvch . com
this is a declaration of ukrainian people for a peace plan.
It is in ukrainian, but google translator can help.
they say that it has been signed by more than 5 million people.
At least I found it interesting to see. As I am wondering what ukrainien people really think about continuing this war.
Media keep telling us , that they want to continue to fight.
In Germany some months ago, governement stated that there were about 180.000 ukr men officially registered in Germany.
in my opinion, Russia cannot deal with ukro404 because 404 counts for nothing;
Russia cannot deal with the €U for the €U it counts for nothing;
it cannot deal with U$A because treaties signed by U$ANATO never counted for anything.
So Russia must go all the way, at any cost; must destabilize the Western financial-military clan, blow up the bank, $ and €, “international institutions” (including the UN, G all, WHO …) and redesign an alternative world with other Partners who respect INTERNATIONAL law and not the law of the strongest and the most wicked.
if Russia goes to deal with those who do not respect any values, any rules other than its own, it has lost;
sooner or later the €U$rahell mafia will make you pay dearly
I read it too, found this page: https://narodgov.org/news/12-peace-plan-of-the-ukrainian-people
like the Patriots, like the Leopards…
even the 180,000 Brits finish if they wear boots in Ukro404
they better keep doing terrorist shit (their specialty…)
Makes me think of the Stauffenberg plot within the Wehrmacht to kill Hitler. Unfortunately they failed. Bloodshed continued. Perhaps there’s hope this time.
Silly plot using captured British detonator on bomb which misfired
Very amateurish
This senseless war needs to end, but instead it is escalating dangerously. Our out-of-touch elites are high on their own kool-aid. We have to pray for common sense.
At this moment, no. The conditio sine qua non for a lasting peace is the physical elimination of the Kiev regime. Only then will Russia be able to show some magnanimity. If Ukraine is not cleansed of extremisms, nazi and zionist, there will be permanent instability.
This war is not between Ukraine and Russia, but between NATO and Russia.
So how can Ukraine negotiate peace on behalf of NATO?
The only solution I see is when NATO is ready to negotiate for peace.
NATO ready to sue for peace?
In light of their war games shortly, why not just attack Poccia in Ukr?
Having massed a ‘multi army’ in plain sight, the ‘war controllers’ are mad enough to think they will roll over Russia forces in Ukr.
To me at any rate, it is a very real worry.
White House insiders say that Biden is fixated with stepping over Russia’s ‘red lines’, like some sort of a dare in that mental adolescent’s mind.
Best as I can tell, we’re now approaching the 1/4 second to midnight on the red line clock.
In fact….we have this clear in Europe…..
A war no one asked the population if they wanted to fight…
It is not on our behlaf, but on behalf of the oligarchs of Wall Street, Sillicon Valley and the City of London…
Not our war, we just must expel these occupiers and looters from European soil, starting with their agents in the European Comission….
Bravo
concordo al 100%
You forgot Davos and Brussels and wherever else the old European “families” reside.
The way I see it, NATO is essentially an instrument of U.S. foreign policy. So, to extend your point, a solution, I.e., negotiations, will only be possible when the U.S., that is the Biden administration or some successor regime, is able to exert control over the Neocon cabal in the U.S. State Department/NSC. And don’t forget, the likes of Victoria Nuland and Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman still drive policy. If I had to guess, until major changes occur in Washington, a frozen conflict remains a likely possibility.
When I look at pictures of the Kakhovka Dam the flood waters I see are of blood. I think: “Oh, boy. Somebody is going to pay for this.”
Personally, I see peace as “death to the last man.” Or, as in Ukraine’s case “death to the last cross-dressing, drug addicted, grifting parasitical, midget, moocher.”
It’s not just Ukraine. The world is dealing with a rabid animal in the United States and the West. There is no negotiating with crazy, or a hysterical schoolgirl. There is only one option here. Put the animal down.
So far nobody has taken responsibility for blowing up anything. And those responsible know why. Perfect crimes should be rewarded with perfect deaths.
It’s either “death to the last man,” or “kill them all and let God sort them out.”
It’s nuke time.
Humanity cannot be rebuilding the world from scratch over and over again. Look at any of these so-called cradles of civilization. Greece for example. And Rome. Rome doesn’t have sink holes. Rome has collapsing basements thousands of years old. They are all heaps of rubble. That’s what humanity has become. Rubble. There’s no future in that. Forget the shifting sands of time. There’s the shifting rubble beneath our feet. You can’t build a future upon rubble.
It’s nuke time.
Right on, friend!
I sympathize with the notion that we need a “greater” reset rather than the one Schwab has in mind.
It is never nuke time.
The rest of the world can live and develop just fine while the west implodes in on itself in isolation.
No need to take the rest of the world down just because the west finally is forced to face reality.
Your suggestion is typical of the spoiled western masses and their “leaders”- if we can’t be the boss, nobody gets to live.
How pathetic.
It appears that UKR and West are finally directly clashing with reality and losing badly.
Put in real perspective from this point, RU have made all the right choices – made themselves look weak while greatly attriting entire West, let propaganda do their job, just to finally crush it in the end and prove beyond any doubt that West is losing without any hope.
Of course, this is war and many things could still happen, but at this point it appears that end of propaganda is coming to a violent death, and not really that far in the future
I long ago found the stories told by the MSM unbelievable and so looked elsewhere for news. Larry Johnson and the gang have in the long run proved very prescient.
I don’t think the Russians will accept anything but total surrender. Joe Biden and Boris Johnson should but won’t be tried for the he needless deaths and maiming of a huge number of men and the destruction of much of the infrastructure of a country that had little functioning infrastructure to start with.
The Western countries are stirring up great hatred amongst the populations against both Russia and China I would assume to set the stage for a global conflict, one they have no hope of winning. It is only a few days ago the Petraeus was assuring everyone the the Russian troops were on the point of collapse .
I didn’t think I would live long enough to see this day but absent of being hit by a bus I guess I will.
If the common citizens in Kiev want peace, they will have to fight for it.
By the way… where is Zaluzhny right now ?
Kyrylo Budanov, who was literally all over the press, hasn’t been heard from since the Kiev strike. Search engines and Western media appear to be covering up something here.they must be incapacitated or dead.
Where are the Ukrainian people? Where are the American people? If they want peace and sanity, and all that, then where are they?
“Ukraine, however, has ample reasons to bring the war to an end.”
Thank you for your illustration of “strategic framing” of “The United States of America/NATO” not restricted to “Ukraine”.
If the human race is to have a human future then the West – Nato, US, Uk, vassal states – must be defeated and western wokery crushed. They care so much about LGBTQ etc etc and all that toxic rubbish and about destroying Christianity they will go to war over it. Russia cannot compromise. It must win outright and end the demonic western ideology for ever. Have you heard of the International Movement of Russophiles? Time for everyone to choose: pro-life, pro-male and female, pro-family, pro-national sovereignty or pro globalism and slavery. And we can start with crushing by truth the lying western bought and paid for journalists and media. Thankyou
Very well said!
“Thank you for your illustration of “strategic framing” of “The United States of America/NATO” not restricted to “Ukraine”.”
“IS A NEGOTIATED PEACE AGREEMENT POSSIBLE IN UKRAINE?”
Between whom, when, where, and how?
There will be no peace treaty. In my opinion this is only more BS, like that statement about some Nato members wanting to send troops to Ukraine, if they don’t get solid promises to get Ukraine into Nato. Utter BS. The whole US/UK/EU/Nato-cabal is fearing Russia now more than before. Russia withstood the sanctions, they prooved to be a true military superpower and certainly no-one sided with the west agains them.
Sending weapons and money and hoping for some miracle offensive to “recapture lost terriories/ expell Russian troops” was/is and always will be utter nonsense. The west is again importing more gas and oil from Russia. They can’t function/survive without Russian energy imports. MSM isn’t even picking up on that huge loss of face anymore. Every sane and reasonable spectator of this western planed and provoked conflict knew from the begining that Russia would be victorious. They are the only adults in a room full of spoiled, arrogant and quite frankly (pardon my French) retarded children.
Russian tribunals are coming.
I suspect the idea of putting Polish boots on the ground inside Ukraine is now oh-so last-week.
You know, back in the good old days when the West could still kid themselves that their stuff was so VASTLY superior that the Russkies will just drop their rifles and run at the first whiff on gunpowder.
Now it’s a week later and it be like ….. err, maybe best to give this gig a miss.
It must be a sobering thought that Leopard 2 tanks aren’t JUST being destroyed – they aren’t even managing to fire a shot in anger before blowing up.
That’s gotta concentrate more than a few minds…
I suspect the US will try to push their vassals in front of the bus. Look how they abduct people in Ukraine and throw them into battle. This is pure evil at work here.
The poles have proven to be useful idiots in history. The question is, if they see what is coming at them and will they fight their puppet government to avoid being used next.
Nato is a nothing-burger. Everyone can see that now. The world is multi-polar already. Just look who is showing the finger to the US.
If I was Russia, I would openly declare that any forces coming from that Nato-block are indeed Nato forces and that by doing so I would see that as a declaration of war against Russia. Let them open that can of worms and see what happens next.
Nato has gone to far already. They are part of that conflict and denying it will not make it different. They want war, they will get it. Just nuke them already, so they know who they are dealing with. US is next in line anyway, as they pull the strings in Ukraine and Nato. So slap that Nato country and annihilate US leadership and military decision-centers. We all know that the west will never stop. They will always harass others or bully them otherwise or kill them by drone-strikes telling everyone that this is the price for their democracy. They deserve no better.
Negotiated agreements happened back in 2014 with Minsk 2. They had their chance and they blew it – as confessed by the mouths of Hollande and Merkel. This time around Ukraine and their patrons will have to lump it. Next time STICK to the agreements. A marker will be laid down
I like that Sean Connery line in one of his films –
“Sometimes the only way to peace is on the other side of war.”
Personally I dont see peace happening without the destruction of America.
Pretty much the same for Great Britain too.
I imagine a few NATO nations will come to their senses and turn on their current masters, America and Great Britain.
I think France, Germany, Spain, Italy and the rest have figured out they are being dismantled and destroyed internally.
It’s gotta be a route in the espionage scene too. These yahoos in the west openly went after everyones kids. I cant even begin to imagine the amount of people in the Western abc’s who instantly went to work for the opposing teams when that became apparent. Gotta be double agents or whatever they call them everywhere now. Command totally compromised.
I just hope the nukes are on target and it’s over fast for us here in the states. No lingering drama or pain. Just insta-ash.
One good picture from KSA:
via the blog http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/06/wow-whats-missing.html
and one good comment there:
Paul Greenwood , an hour ago
The irony is supreme.
On his return from the Conference at Yalta in 1945 where Roosevelt had shafted Churchill as a sign of the New Postwar Era of British irrelevance…………FDR made a visit to Britain’s ally Ibn Saud to invite him to sign up with the New Power in the World………
The US-Saudi love affair could not have started on a more symbolic date: 14 February 1945, Valentine’s Day, in the year that WW2 ended.
The setting was the American warship USS Quincy, in the Suez Canal.
The players were President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Abdul Aziz bin Abdul Rahman Al Saud, the undisputed leader of Saudi Arabia. At stake was the oil needed to fuel the American war effort, and US post-war recovery
So Russia and Crimea in particular are common to both situations !
Unconfirmed source in OTAN Bunker Brussels named Col. брюссельская капуста as confirming that this was playing, faintly but clearly, in the backround at the photo opp where the picture was snapped:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjixLT6DX7M
One picture from western media:
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via https://theweek.com/magazine-stand
Jesus fucking Christ! this is the picture for “16 June 2023” (quote).
I get it that they already paid to the artists and now kinda have to justify the investment by publishign the long ready product. But… ahem… Perhaps they’d better just write those investment off and pay for some new, neutral picture instead.
Attacks on a children´s summer camp and the Zaporozhie NPP in the last hours does not point at any negotiating aim.
Neither do Stoltenberg´s statements….
What points at is at the flagrant evidence that NATO does not save risks in order to escalate, even if a nuclear disaster burns Europe.
That only should inform the European population on the necessity to get rid of such “organization” and its heavy presence on European soil, whose goal is not in any way the defense of Europe, but its necessary sacrifice in the altar of anglosaxon and certain European oligarchs´gains….
NATO has shown its cards, showing with no doubt it is a declared enemy of the European peoples.
Soon its troops will be marching a la Afghanistan way and its colaborators and profiteers in politics and the media holding the aircrafts fusselage and leaving suitcase of dark money on the tarmac…
1) Given the Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 charades, Russia will only accept a complete capitulation.
Would you accept a deal that you don’t have to accept from an entity that had reneged on previous agreements and later publicly stated they were never sincere about those agreements?
2) Russia will accept into the RF the eight easternmost oblasts. What it allows to happen to the westernmost depends on how thoroughly it has been demilitarized and denazified. One condition should be the tearing down of the statue to Stepan Bandera in the Lviv square.
3) Along with other details, the prerequisite to any agreement should include convictions and appropriate sentences for those who participated in the establishment of the bioweapons labs, similar to the Nuremberg trials.
Those who participated in the establishments of the bioweapons labs, and those who participated in the blowing up of European vital energy infrastructures and agricultural lands.
There is a current war by foreign agents on European agriculture of which the blowing up of the Kakhovskaya Dams along with the opening of floodgates up the stream and Dneproges with te aim of augmentine the flood of lands is a definite part.
There are here a lot of crimes against humanity, eco- crimes, crimes against public health ( on the part of the same actors who were asuring they were protecting it during the “pandemic”, von der Leyen comes to mind…), and crimes against civilian population.
Then there is the international organ, children and arms trafficking….of which the same actors proffit…
A lot of people is keeping recrods of the crimes, not only the Russians.
In Germany, a recent survey in intention of vote gave a huge surge for conservatives and far- right parties in detriment of the socialdemocrats and “the greens” ( who happen to not see any inconvenient with the blowing up of the Kakhosvskaya Damn and the flooding of agricultural lands in Ukraine, as they do not see anything wrong with the war proper…)
That Merkel and Hollande thought it clever to have announced that Minsk II was nothing but a sham goes to show that the Europeans are no better at picking their leaders than the US and Canada are.
Neither the Europeans, nor the U.S. or Canada are “picking their leaders!
What alternate dimension of reality are you living in Hmmmm?
I slipped.
Larry, I hope you are wrong. The only same and humanitarian thing to do for what remains of the Ukrainian people is to sue for peace.
There will be NO negotiated solution.. That was Minsk 2. Hollande and Merkel admitted that was a sham. This time Uncle Sam needs to learn to stick to his word. Losers do NOT set conditions. A marker will be set down in this regard.
Whatever opinion you may hold of the event, the precedent was set in Nuremberg in 1946. The Russians, being legally scrupulous, will not stop until the 21st century version of a War Crimes trial takes place. As they will not have to share the bench with any other state, you can be assured that every sentence handed down to the political leaders of NATO will be Death by Hanging.
By 1945 the Germans were glad to be rid of the NAZI regime. I doubt the peoples of the NATO countries will shed a tear when their oppressors are led to the gallows. The lucky ones will cheat the hangman by virtue of their already advanced age.
“His winnowing fan is in His hand. The wheat He will gather into His barn. The chaff He will burn in unquenchable fire.”
+100
This war won’t end until there is a Russian viceroy in charge of all Ukraine (think Macarthur Japan) Denazification will take decades and you need control of all institutions to do it.
At the point where Russia is militarily and economically and where is the West that continues to impose more sanctions, only a clear defeat of NATO and a clear humiliation of the EU and the USA will satisfy Russia.
A change of regime in Ukraine is maybe the first step. The departure of Biden this year may open the door to a change but after the constant humiliation that Russia has suffered off before the SMO , Putin will expect more that excuses.
Remember that video of Victoria Nuland recently publicly saying that we are planning this offensive with the 404 and doing all sorts of table-top exercises? Well, if there was a peace negotiation, the likes of Nuland would have to answer uncomfortable questions about why this “counter offensive” failed with thousands of dead and 100s of pieces of equipment burned in just a few days. I mean, what kind of planning is that?
The likes of Sullivan, the recent speech by Blinken about how Putin has grossly miscalculated – all of this will be played on TV and questions will be asked if Russians win or even if a negotiation is carried out.
Same with the Europeans (have you noticed recently how Macron disappeared from public light – is he hoping that people will forget his statements about 404 winning?) – Ursula, Gardener Borrell, Bearbock, Scholz, Sunak… – they would all have to answer the questions.
Then there is the 2nd echelon – journalists (or should I say “journalists”?). All these analysts – I am pretty sure there is a whole bunch of them who we all remember lying about the insignificance of the fall of Soledar, Bakhmut etc. etc. Would they not be publicly made fools of by simply reproducing their video analysis or their written analysis? BTW is this why recently the 404 analysis is penned by “CNN staff” as opposed to particular journalists with a name?
Not to mention the money spent, the fact that the lying would be exposed – two years of non-stop lying and denying, that would further erode the almost non-existent trust in this American regime (yes, regime, let’s call it what it is). This would have wide ranging consequences in all other aspects of politics in the west, to the point of risking total collapse of already shaky status quo that is barely maintained in the face of breaking supply chains, rampant inflation, increasing taxation etc. etc.
Anyway, my conclusion from the above is that there will be no peace negotiation, at least not from the American side. See, the investment in this is so high – so many people would be made to look like the incompetent, arrogant, uneducated fools that they are – that they would rather burn the whole world then expose themselves as the losers.
Amen.
winner, winner……..Chicken Kiev Dinner!
“Remember that video of Victoria Nuland recently publicly saying that we are planning this offensive with the 404 and doing all sorts of table-top exercises? ”
From the looks of Ms. Nuland, the only tabletop exercise she excels in is eating.
To paraphrase the great insight of Upton Sinclair: Nothing can compel a man to understand a situation if his salary depends on his not understanding it.
I don’t know what the Russian interpretation is; I’m sure they have one: “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”
I prefer Bush’s version. ‘A fool’s born every minute and now you’re stuck with me’.
Simplicius’s SITREP today interestingly describes the bunching of dead IFVs and tanks being likely due to the attempts to pass disabled vehicles and running into the mines swept aside by the Full Width Mine Ploughs (FWMP).
Another giant leap of progress by the west – instead of developing more robust explosion-proof mine ‘sweepers’, the method decided upon was building vehicles to push unexploded ordinances off to the side.
GENIUSES!!!!
And no one was there to skeptically question the logic of keeping the mines unexploded while they have only one path to avoid certain death.
No wonder the west is losing and will continue to lose badly! The west’s lack of ability to retain high quality minds to work in their DOD spend fest has led to this type of failure.
AND WHAT A FAILURE THIS IS!!!!!
As Forrest Gump said “stupid is as stupid does.”
Seems to me the chain flailers always made the most sense, although have no idea how they’d hold up to more powerful mines.
Russia really has no choice, NATO has backed them into a corner and proven itself completely untrustworthy in negotiations. Russia needs to take the 4 Oblasts and depose the Zelensky government before they can wind this up. They will probably also take Odessa and a land bridge to Transnistria. At that point they can start to rebuild.
But what about all the big deals Zelensky inked with Larry Fink from Blackrock??
It would be a shame to see Blackrock’s big deal get blown up.
It’ll be interesting to see how Mel Gibson’s new doco goes down with the 404 Fanclub?
Or how it goes down with the people responsible for our southern border now feeding the pedos with thousands of untraceable children.
The Ukrainian armed forces seems to be ideologically comitted to the war like the Neo Nazis unlike Z who’s just being opportunistic and trying his best to make the maximum amount of money in the shortest possible time without being assassinated – In this circumstances where the war is not really about the nation but what the fighters believe is the right ideology, it can only stop with a fight to the death which unfortunately in this case means the ukronazis and their western supporters
Yes. All I see is a Ukrainian element who have realised they should have thrown in the towel back in February 2022.
I don’t see any group capable of negotiating with Russia and making guarantees about future rump Ukraine behaviour. Not in Ukraine, not in Nato, not in Europe.
the Ukro404 should have respected the Normandy, Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 treaties but the amerikans in power in Kiev (biden, nulan, mckain …) did not want …
Indeed they should have. But their banderite leaders are frankly prone to terrorism and genocidal at heart and as a result, ended up digging their own graves and our enlightened western leaders were all to eager to gift them the shovels.
That’s life I guess, and life will never be the same for the survivors. Another one of those catch 22 moments in history.
Russia’s greatest threat is Biden. Or rather Biden’s handlers. Russia will sit down at peace talks. While continuing the destruction of the Nazi regime.
And Russia will continue until complete capitulation or thru the 2024 election. I think the ballots are already counted, but the legalistic Mr. Putin probably has more faith in the USA than I do.
If Biden loses Europe folds immediately. The increasingly clown like Mad Ludwig UK would keep up their nattering. But that would be all.
Ukraine is only a pawn in the big political game of the elites. We wait to see who our new Masters are.
The foreign agents in the European Comission and European countries have declared a war on agrolands and European agro-powers, starting with Holland, passing for Spain and ending with Ukraine….
https://twitter.com/QuasiDixit/status/1667230741543919623?cxt=HHwWjoCxxdXhmKMuAAAA
Unveiling the EU is not an economic club for the beneffit of the European members in a unique market, but on beneffit of foreign oligopolies which have now taken over and proffit introducing extra-EU products….from Morocco, India, and so on, which are exempt of the Eu directives on detriment of Euroepan products…
This is the joint action of Ursula von der Leyen and Thierry Breton…
Along with NATO, the EU also will fall as enemies of the European peoples….
Gosh, Biden’s failed “lie-about” campaign.
Are perhaps it is the 1 percent’s campaign, whomever it is that mired the US into this “taxpayer quicksand war” that seems to have given the military industrial complex lots of wealth and gotten rid of a bunch of old mothballed war relics.
When the dust clears, I wonder if what happened in Ukraine will be lost to any other county on what happens if the US comes knocking. That the US leaves a burned out shell wherever it goes. Most of all that what happened in South American, the Mideast is now fully showcased in the EU. That by now hopefully, not be lost on US citizens either.
It seems to me that Russia has adopted the policy of the US towards the end of the civil war. The north realized they had to not only eliminate the military capacity of the south, but the entire culture that was producing men who were willing to die for the southern cause and raise up such great leaders as Lee and Jackson. Hence Sherman destroying everything on his march to the sea. While I don’t think Russia will pull a modern day Sherman and destroy everything in its wake, the demilitarize and denazify doctrine will produce the same result. No peace will occur until then.
Someone once said you can’t fix stupid.
https://www.rt.com/news/577748-pentagon-ukraine-weapons-billion/
Military: we need to negotiate an end to this war. We’re losing badly. Hundreds of thousands dead. Equipment destroyed. Infrastructure taken out. The environment getting devastated. Millions have left the country.
Z: if we negotiate a truce to end the war Nuland & Co will stop all funding. Your salaries will stop, the economy will collapse. We will be lunched in the street.
Z & military: well let’s carry on. Who knows maybe we’ll do better militarily.
Nothing short of an UNCONDITIONAL surrender, and Nuremberg-style justice for Zelensky and all his ethnic-cleansing crowd for all their egregious crimes against Humanity. They’re like cornered rats looking for an out. Don’t let Evil out!
The Russians would be crazy to offer any concessions beyond agreeing not to kill all of them. Should Ukraine split along the river thwe so-called “rump” Ukraine would just become another DC and NATO playground with bio weapons labs, terrorist training camps and all the mischief that was going on previously, the human trafficking, gun runninng, money laundering and drug trafficking.
The west had proven itself to be incapable of holding to ANY agreement, and the Russians know this.
Even at this stage the west is still shit-talking.
Russia has nothing to gain by agreeing to anything too much water had gone over the dam so-to-speak.
I’m betting that the Z won’t make it to his luxury exile in Miami or enjoy those all the millions he skimmed or was paid.
They’re Bandera seed, and they’ll go down the path of their Nazi godfathers. Some will be buried in their bunkers, some will kill themselves, others will flee like rats, taking their loot with them, and the last will be caught and hung for crimes against humanity.
Some will join their brethren in Canada, where they’ll continue to spawn a new generation of Children of the Corn.
And who’s going to do this overthrowing? Zaluzhny was probably the only Ukranazi general with the stature to pull it off, but he’s, shall we say, unavailable. All the rest are just glorified office boys bar Syrsky and as a Russian defector he won’t get any quarter from Russia and he knows it.
And, how do you “sue for peace” when one of Russia’s goals is de-nazification? That is a benign term for killing off Nazis. I’m sure the Nazis in Ukraine wouldn’t go for it, and they’d keep fighting anyway, and I doubt, since the Ukrainian military is full of Nazis, that they’ll volunteer to hand them over.
It’s a Catch-22 for Ukraine – the only solution is for Russia to keep going until they rub out the Nazis, but Ukraine can’t even surrender because the military is Nazis. To use the polite, concise term for the situation, “they’re fucked.”
As to all the rest of the story, NATO, et al, we still have to go through all this process to show NATO as a paper tiger so the hegemon will be shown to the world as neutered. Russia, and China, play the long game, and that’s the long game.