Ever heard of Monkey Werx? He hosts a You Tube channel that focuses on tracking U.S. civilian and military flights. Sounds pretty innocuous and boring. No more. Turns out that Monkey Werx provided a video report last September (September 30th to be precise) that confirms part of Sy Hersh’s account of the destruction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
Here is what Sy reported today:
The C4 attached to the pipelines would be triggered by a sonar buoy dropped by a plane on short notice, but the procedure involved the most advanced signal processing technology. Once in place, the delayed timing devices attached to any of the four pipelines could be accidentally triggered by the complex mix of ocean background noises throughout the heavily trafficked Baltic Sea—from near and distant ships, underwater drilling, seismic events, waves and even sea creatures. To avoid this, the sonar buoy, once in place, would emit a sequence of unique low frequency tonal sounds—much like those emitted by a flute or a piano—that would be recognized by the timing device and, after a pre-set hours of delay, trigger the explosives. (“You want a signal that is robust enough so that no other signal could accidentally send a pulse that detonated the explosives,” I was told by Dr. Theodore Postol, professor emeritus of science, technology and national security policy at MIT. Postol, who has served as the science adviser to the Pentagon’s Chief of Naval Operations, said the issue facing the group in Norway because of Biden’s delay was one of chance: “The longer the explosives are in the water the greater risk there would be of a random signal that would launch the bombs.”)
On September 26, 2022, a Norwegian Navy P8 surveillance plane made a seemingly routine flight and dropped a sonar buoy. The signal spread underwater, initially to Nord Stream 2 and then on to Nord Stream 1. A few hours later, the high-powered C4 explosives were triggered and three of the four pipelines were put out of commission. Within a few minutes, pools of methane gas that remained in the shuttered pipelines could be seen spreading on the water’s surface and the world learned that something irreversible had taken place.
And here is the Monkey Werx report from September 30th (relevant info starts at the 2 minute mark) tracking that P8 Poseidon:
There still are some people in the intelligence community who are patriots and are alarmed by Biden’s lawless behavior. I imagine that the Biden Administration will launch a witch hunt for the intelligence officers who alerted Sy Hersh to this story. According to the Constitution, only Congress has the power to declare war on another country. Joe Biden has usurped that authority and carried out an act of war against a NATO ally (Germany). The potential ramifications of this act include the heightened risk of the U.S. starting a shooting war with Russia.
If the Monkey Werx (nice name BTW) knows about these planes routes, we can be sure that ALL the intelligence agencies, with a small budget, from around the world, also know about every movement.
Would be interesting to understand why this declaration of war was triggered in September, because the idea of freezing the Germans and destroying the German economy is NOT enough.
For the people who want a deeper understanding of the machinery, I would recommend https://t.me/fred33flint/266 (keep that channel for easy to find interesting articles)
which is a link to the Cynthia Chung for the Saker blog article ” Why Shinzo Abe Was Assassinated: Towards a ‘United States of Europe’ and a League of Nations ”
My sense is that the blowing up of NS pipelines is more UK than US, because I know 1st hand the deep hate UK has towards Russia, and that is hundred of years old …
PFrogs- For the last couple of years due to all the msm disinformation and anti-Russian sentiment so generated, it has been such that the gullible believe the relentless untruths.
Before that I would say ambivilence.
The Brits have the practical ability to perform the pipeline destruction. The Americans have the over engineered technology, backed by money printing.
During the pipeline construction, three subsea habitats were used to tie in different diameter pipes. (lower pressure at the end away from the gas pumps, hence thinner pipe reqd). So it can be repaired.
From memory it took two or three years to get the environ-mental go-ahead.
hello its ralph
if i recall yu on a post ; yu recalled about living in northern siberia; if i am wrong please disregard this and my apologies .
am curious how the people in that area survive the temperatures described in this zerohedge article
https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/siberia-records-minus-80-degrees-talk-polar-vortex-grows
regards,
ralph
Ralph- if your comment was directed at me – yes, Siberia, right up near the Arctic Circle. Like many towns, they don’t appear on any map, as I found out, although nowadays many are ‘appearing’.
Europe, uSA and the softies all want to mess about with no emissions of CO2, and everything wind powered, can you believe? Plus eating bugs and other nonsense.
Nowadays if you want to flare off gas from an oil well in the West, you practically need a Papal Blessing. Not so in Russia. Russian thought, e.g. two sexes (- any fule know that), is not geared towards such constructs, but instead survival in its broadest terms.
Scenario:- it is minus 40 deg outside; it is difficult to deal with gas production (if reinjected, it just pops up again, and again and again . . round and round). People are cold, excess gas, pipe it to the local population for free – nice and warm. Kids skate to school; grannies pull baskets on sledges and on it goes.
The Russians are not softies, many living in a hostile environment have adapted, with neither handouts, nor bleating it is not suitable, government must re-house me – its my ooman right.
An illustration, I have a hat bought in Russia. It is dog skin and kept a (tasty) dog warm in the cold climate, hence kept me warm. Can you imagine the outrage in the West? Use the best adapted clothing or freeze with some man made fibre – not widely available and horribly expensive for the locals. And on it goes.
Hope this is the sort of comment you were looking for.
That’s why when I speak with some civilized friends of mine in Russia, and I tell them that many Russians are so .. like “Americans” (you know, from US) .. they say I’m right.
“Plus eating bugs and other nonsense” … keep it going, neanderthal ,)
thank yu Palamedes for answering my question.
regards,
ralph
“The Brits have the practical ability to perform the pipeline destruction.”
You have been watching too many James Bond movies and are mistaking a fiction for a fact. Britian is a failed state that can’t even handle the basics, but we are led to believe in all these wonder weapons. Like carrying out an act of war and then not having either the character or the honor to admit to it. Or maybe the true culprits don’t have to admit to anything. They can just get the Brits to admit to carrying out an act of war, against an ally (Germany).
With friends like these who needs technology? Who deserves technology?
“The Americans have the over engineered technology . . . .”
I think you are confused as to what “over engineered technology” really is.
Ever been onboard a Russian commercial tanker ship? Everything is designed to military specifications, to withstand and survive combat, maybe even a nuclear blast. Real over engineered technology is a double-expansion-coupling where only one is needed. Real over engineered technology is using thicker, stronger steel everywhere, instead of only where you need to get by. Real over engineered technology are crew quarters located below deck instead of above deck.
Not saying one is better than the other. Just saying.
The Americans have over-profited engineering created with worthless money. The Americans design one piece of razzle dazzle outdated piece of technology and then apply it to every Response for Proposal (RFP) out there. Or try to.
theblamee- James Bond? Rudeness just because you can.
Well got dam boy, the only good xxx is a dead xxx. One shot, one ded, american style films? Lots of snipers killing at six miles distant. And the books.
Try again boatie. I too have been on boats / ships. I’ve been on rust bucket survey ships in gales. Years ago I supervised dive boats, all the newer ones were constructed with stealth shapes and state of the art navigation, helidecks and so on. All very, very reliable.
The Brits have a miniscule Army with specialist branches that make undisciplined, maladapted iron pumping american soldiers look foolish.
How’s that for rudeness because I can? Your turn.
Response for Proposal (RFP) – assume that is Invitation to Tender (ITT)?
I can only assume from your comment that you don’t know what rude is. I will forward your comment to the Daniel Craig department.
I’ve read the USA designs weapons to line pockets while Russia designs weapons to win.
1000 up votes! The chickens are coming home to roost in this country and it won’t be pretty.
There seems to be some confusion as to what “over engineered” means. It is not synonymous with “overbuilt” with an excessive margin of safety. It refers to a system being insufficiently robust to perform adequately under the range of conditions it may be required to operate under.
Followup from MOA:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/02/some-small-corrections-to-seymour-hershs-new-nord-stream-revelations.html#more
Best part: Swedes spent decades chasing Russian subs, alerted to their acoustic signals and in the end, they turned out be fish farts.
The British `do not` have a deep hatred of Russia.
Why Sir, do you propagate this LIE ?
Is it your own deep seated hatred?
Your malice betrays you.
Margeret Thatcher opposed German reunification within NATO because of the potential threat it might pose to a post soviet Russian Federation.
Mrs Thatcher also opposed EU integration as a threat to British soverignty and European democracy.
If the British `hate` anyone or anything it is the pepper-pot Napoleons of Brussels and the treasonous shills in the Palace of Westminster.
Right. I am British and do not hate Russia.
Just as in other countries though, hatred gets whipped up by elites and corporate media who have self interested reasons to do that. We are in such a phase now.
Unfortunately, propaganda works and there is an element of Russophobia in the public discourse. One sees it in comments to newspaper and blog articles. Much of it then gets personalised against President Putin.
We need to push back on it. It is wrong. And I agree there is no deep seated hatred amongst the bulk of the population. Typically, people do not even think about Russia. Even fewer people have been there (I have, albeit briefly) and found border control to be much more friendly than any experience I have had entering the U.S.!
What the British people think of the Russians is irrelevant, it is what the elites and the security state thinks that matters. And they do hate Russia.
You’re spot on with that, but the fact that the vast majority of the British public have been brainwashed over decades to hate or just generally distrust Russia and Putin in particular (personified by their support of the criminal U.S.puppet regime in Ukraine ) greases the plans of the “elites” in their crazed attempts to destroy Russia.
Then perhaps the OP should have made the distinction between the British as a whole, and the Elite/security state.
I’m British and have not heard anyone voice anti Russian sentiment. Ever! Including the cold war years.
Much more common to hear unflattering things about Pakistan, Saudi etc.
However, a Russian friend tells me she has encountered it periodically in the many years she’s lived here in England, so it does exist.
I suspect even Doris Johnson is an admirer of Russian literature.
The Anti Russia hysteria is a relatively new phenomenon that surfaced around the time of Syria, and is linked to a neocon disinformation/smear campaign.
RE: British powers that be:
They hate, they fear, they envy Russia’s material wealth.
Had they first two not been so pronounced, they could have had the very best of relations with Russia, participated in its growth and benefited immensely from it. Russians would be speaking English as a second language en masse and in a sense, as a valued commercial and investment partner – would have accomplished much of what they say they, like wind up dolls, complain about not achieving ad nauseam. I think it was their own failings that made that impossible, the same failings that allowed Germany to become the industrial powerhouse of Europe and Britain the lackluster industrial powermouse. I frankly wouldn’t doubt that the Brits still had a hand in Nord Stream’s destruction, just to spite Germany. It fits their character perfectly.
The Brits consciously and methodically MADE Russia an enemy. May they sleep well in that bed.
(end of rant, thank you for listening)
I’m British, and I certainbly do not hate Russia. If anything, I admire them for having a backbone and standing up to the bully in the playground. When they refer to the British hating the Russsians, I think they mean our ruling elites who do a have a long history of being hostile towards Russia.
As for the current general anti-Russia sentiment (primarily in Europe), I wonder if some it is down a subconcious self-loathing the ‘haters’ have as they are all (in essence) broken woke colonies of the US whereas Russia remains independent and true to itself.
Remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB0YAVF-eOI
Queen makes Nazi salute in video (The Sun, 18 Jul 2015) – YouTube, 0m 16s
As usual, the MSM went with their talking points: “It was Edward, the bastard!”
But examine the footage closely. Edward is the follower, not the leader.
Elizabeth the mother is clearly setting the example. SHE was the Naughty. And she ran the country from 1976 to 2002.
Hardly surprising the country exhibits the traits found in that far-right ideology, is it?
British royals HATE Russia.
Pray that Putin succeeds in de-Naughtifying Europe.
And yet, Terry, we learn in today’s Financial Times that the UK is at the forefront of arming Ukraine.
I ask myself: “What vital national interest is there in the UK, with a delapitated army and not much better airforce and navy, doing supplying (free, presumably) weapons to Ukraine?”
I myself can’t see any justification for this. The idea that we are defending democracy and internationally recognised borders, doesn’t either.
No. I too do not “hate” Russia. It is a wonderful country with flaws just like all others. The Russians I have met are generous and civil. Orks, they are not.
One could go on…
elite
1) A group or class of persons considered to be superior to others because of their intelligence, social standing, or wealth.
2) A member of such a group.
3) The best or most skilled members of a group.
Where do you see an ‘elite’ in your post? ‘Powers that be’ is the only applicable term.
I, like others here, understood the statement as “the British (elite) hate Russia”.
The people don’t hate Russia. They simply don’t think about Russia, like they don’t think about a lot of things that perhaps they should but that’s a different story.
But the hatred of the elite seeps down the classes through the propaganda media and ends up diluted into an unfortunate acceptance of the mainstream discourse.
As I say, the British people don’t hate Russia but the majority also don’t know the country or its people, while being bombarded with idiotic entertainment like the TV series Stranger Things. Which it’s funny, because if the treatment that is applied to Russians in that particular piece of shite was applied to any other ethnic or national group with representation in the US they’d be hell to pay for the creators.
And people don’t see that…well, people don’t see anything.
What?
“Margeret Thatcher opposed German reunification within NATO because of the potential threat it might pose to a post soviet Russian Federation.”
How ridiculous.
You must be really .. to think that Thatcher could worry for anything outside the UK.
Thatcher was afraid of the potential threat that an 80 million Germany would represent for UK, not for Russia.
“Thatcher could worry for anything outside the UK”
or for anything inside the UK:
“I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand ‘I have a problem, it is the Government’s job to cope with it!’ or ‘I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!’ ‘I am homeless, the Government must house me!’ and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first.”Said the milksnatcher.
I always felt it was UK and Norway – both have N Sea pipeline knowledge and experience and it is in their contingency planning – plus UK and Norway and Denmark are very much an item
One big happy EU family.
https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/germany/poland
https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/27/baltic-pipe-norway-poland-gas-pipeline-opens-in-key-move-to-cut-dependency-on-russia
from your 1st source:
Fertility Rate [+] 2020 1.53 chart 1.39 2020 Fertility Rate [+]
Germany & Poland are both f**ked, likewise the whole EU, and from personal experience I have an idea about the engieering qualities of the lately imported work force and their children, hopefully the old white men stay alive for another 30years
My favorite is the we’ll just have Poland send the tanks and gear!
It will become airstrip one and the distribution point for the glorious NATOSTAN expeditionary force?
Honk, honk!
In Orwell’s “1984” the UK’s name is Airstrip One, written in 1947/8 which the 1960 Fitzgibbon’s novel “When the Kissing Had to Stop” also uses.
An old idea, the obvious progression(!?) as from the Greece to Rome idea of Empire passing from Blighty to USA post WWI.
The democrats I know in the US could care less about this. They believe Russia is backward and like a pesky bug on your neck.
Take him between the fingers and squeeze.
They were schooled by their beloved Obama that the Russians are fools- and facts that contradicts that are Trump’s doing. Most of them believe Trump caused border issues, Covid is his fault, and inflation is Trump’s
They will vote democrat in 2024 even if US troops are in Ukraine and dying in the thousands. Some around Putin must realize this and mega deaths on Russian and NATO side are necessary like chemo to flush the cancer off the planet.
that has been my experience – even back in 2016
one of my former best American friends who seems otherwise very nice and wise – could not believe that I would believe anything Russians said. And she knew Obama was a fraud. Still she got very disappointed and shocked with me because I told her something about Russia (as a Serb, a European who knew Russia much better than she ever could). That was the last time I spoke to her.
Another former neighbor from San Francisco (Russian Hill where I lived) erupted into outbursts of hatred when I once told him he should not believe everything he reads about Russia on CNN etc… He told me he had a lot of friends from CIA who told him Russians are the worst scum … he really got angry like a real brainwashed zombie. He was otherwise a nice and kind guy. I can imagine what the other ones think
There is a hatred and it’s deep seated. And this was almost a decade ago before Trump and their fake Russia Russia Russia gaslighting, and before UKI adventure of Jewland and other psychopaths who also control JUSA me(r)dia
The whole country clearly operates as a cult, as does UK (where I also lived) , Denmark etc (a good Danish friend told me everyone there believes it was Russia who bombed their own pipelines)…
The Nordstream pipelines run from Russia to Germany (and were primarily owned by them), plus the gas in the pipelines was undeniably Russian. The attack took place in international waters. If it was an act of war against Germany then it was also an act of war against Russia. An act of war against a nuclear power could become the casus belli in a catastrophic conflict.
Swedish waters. Swedes have conducted an “investigation” but you know the Swedes don’t really have any backbone left. They just do they are told by WEF and US.
In other words, they didn’t share the results of the so called “investigation” with the affected parties.
Did anyone pick up the sonobouy afterwards or is it still floating around somewhere?
Did any other nation had some ships in operation along that stretch of pipeline in the prior months?
Did any other nation have means and motive to plant explosives in less than 300 feet of water and detonate them? (The UK and Poland come to mind).
What is the actual status of the Ukrainian armed forces? From what I have read either they are about to crush the Russians or they are about to get crushed by them. (See your own write ups.) Is there any motive based on that to ‘leak’ such a report as this to:
a) trigger a Russian response thus creating cover for a NATO counter-response? (Just like the neocons have always wanted and Ukraine needs.)
b) create an opening for ‘talks’ that might slow the Russians down rather than see the long anticipated offensive happen?
c) disprupt the narrative in D.C. about Biden’s capabities as president.
The standard US Navy sonobouy used to track ships and submarines is a throw-away that is programmed to sink itself after the battery dies. There are literally hundreds of thousands of them littering the ocean floors. It might be a security risk to recover this particular one, so perhaps it is down there doing a needle in the haystack with all the standard anti-submarine ones. Good luck to anyone trying to find just this particular one.
RoselliM,
How long might that be? According to Sy the Russians have a great naval surveilance of the Baltic. Do they or anyone else know if any other aircraft or helicopter are capable of dropping sonobouys – which sink “after the battery dies” (however long that might be. The one at the bottom of the sea apparently lasted months.)
If so how many other “routine” flights of which navy’s sonobouy launch capable aircraft just coincidentally flew over the same area? I’m sure it’s a needless question, no one keeping records of such things. I did enjoy Sy’s history lesson. Nice to know the CIA and State Department had people questioning the legality of these actions. Apparently no one in the military did, according to the ‘anonymous’ sources. Convenient that.
Based upon an honest evaluation of the current situation in Ukraine, the Ukrainian army is slowly being crushed by superior Russian combined arms forces. The entire front is active and a new flare point has opened around Sumy. Ukrainians are stretched in forces, equipment and ammunition. The Russians are working on 3 to 4 points of contact preparing for a breakthrough in Bakhmut – once they break through all bets are off. Here’s one look at it as of 2/9/22.
https://youtu.be/L5cpMXFCVrg
Take care.
Anyone who did not figure this out immediately must be brain-dead. Who beside the US and UK had the means, motive, and opportunity — and the chutzpah?
BTW, Bernhard at Moon of Alabama has a different version than Hersh.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/02/hersh-how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream-pipeline.html
An ‘Act of War’ without a ‘Declaration of War’ is pretty much the definition of international terrorism.
The US has been supporting and creating terrorist groups for decades, commits them itself routinely (drones, anyone), and is obviously the most important rogue state globally, although it has managed mafia-like to extend its tentacles in the official world to white wash everything.
This twitter shot encapsulates what Larry has been saying about Ukraine.
It shows Ukrainian soldiers in full Nazi regalia burying their dead.
https://twitter.com/doctorgerhard/status/1622676497931677696?s=12
Keep up the good work, Larry!
I hope Jake Sullivan undergoes his demise very soon. He is a demon.
He’s a pencilnecked bureaucrat raised to a position of respective incompetence.. much like that Stoltenberg empty suit.
I agree, and believe the reason for this leak to Hersh is to make sure who ends up under the bus while those at the wheel remains in the shadows. No matter how despicable Nuland and Sullivan are, I do not for a minute believe they were the key instigators. That Biden provided any material input to the operation is preposterous. He is just a walking talking Alzheimer specimen. No, this is a setup by CIA to pin _all_ the blame on the State Department and resident Brandon. Let’s wait for the State Department move against the CIA…
And wherever he demises to, let’s hope he takes the nauseous Fatty Nuland with him.
Detouring congress to declare war is now the norm. Go back to “Killing Hope” from the 90s. Also as you note, the Monkey Werx works are impressive but certainly not news.
It reminds me of all the people saying the 2008 financial crisis was a Black Swan when the blogosphere was calling it at least a year in advance.
My father in law said he quit smoking in 1949 because it was proven then to cause cancer. Meanwhile they fought the evidence for decades saying the science was unproven.
Whoever has the biggest mouth gets heard. The others are just a herd .
IMO, this was really a stupid thing to do. Just think how all this appears to the actual international community – and I don’t mean the EU and other handful of vassals and cucks like Canada, Australia, Japan, etc., who blindly follow and cheerlead the US.
After the destruction of $20-billion dollars of critical civilian infrastructure, still nobody has stood up and said: “Yep. I did it. But so what? Nobody likes Germany. Nobody likes Russia.” Today, the culprit of an act of war, more hideous and more odious than any acts of war that have come before. It is a figure of hulking darkness. Most of the world eagerly waits and wonders where it will strike next. “I shouted out who killed the Kennedys? When after all it was you and me.”
Old, sly ‘limited hangout’ Hersh. He always has the best sources and tells just enough of the truth…
The US has a doctrine.
Implausible Deniability.
It started with Colin Powell and the UN.
. . . . . . . . . . . . .
A line of dots. Nope. Just random dots.
Excellent concept. A line of dots leading to a conclusion. The line and its conclusion obfuscated by peppering the landscape with random dots. You’ve identified a core m.o. worthy of a thesis.
Russia knows from 1st day who destroyed the gas pipelines! Even Scott Ritter spoke right away on P8 on the 2nd day!
Everybody knows, you are right.
You saw also the tweet of that polnish ultra (Radek Sikorski MEP), “Thank you, USA”?
Sure!
Question Larry….
You OK with a Libertarian Anarchist posting here?
Just had a chuckle about all the “constitution” stuff in the article.
Was wondering why your readers and writers still think the whole CONstitution thing is still relevant.
I’d love to debate your “extremely intelligent readers” as you like to say. You guys up for it?
Let me know once you screen this first post.
As long as you argue facts and shy away from personal attacks I have no problem. What is a “Libertarian Anarchist?”
Beware Jeff Berwick and Anarchapulco – he’s a rip off artist
James Corbett covered anarchist movements a bit in this recent video –
https://youtu.be/tyW1uaLbKiE
but many in the alternative community are still promoting Jeff Berwick – before you do that – please google Jeff Berwick Fraud.
He ripped me off for $50K – because I wanted to move to Mexico and join the anarchist community that he promotes on his videos – the Dollar Vigilante – he’s a scam artist
You know what Tribe he belongs to, right??? Silly you!!! He and that Australian Max Igon, friend of his lost any credibility they might have had 2 years ago. Big time grifters and disinfo tools!! I wouldn’t have bought a BIC pen off him!!!
Well your 50K has certainly set him up in a nice house in Mexico. He always did seem a bit off to me.
Here Larry, this might help explain it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7qT-C-0ajI
Larry,
Anarchists generally fall in 1 of 3 flavors:
1) Ana-Cap – Anarchist Capitalists. Mies Institute
2) Anarchist Socialists – Anti-Fa is perhaps the best known example
3) Minarchists – believe in a minimal state; so called ‘Nightwatchman State’
A Libertarian is a cat – thinks it is 100% independent; actually 100% dependent
A Libertarian Anarchist is an unspayed alley cat
Dunno about that but I think ‘liberal anarchists’ would be a subset of the Democratic Party, that seeks to sow anarchy abroad in pursuit of regime change.
In a Venn diagram, they’d fall into a larger circle labelled ‘anarchists’, where you’d have a Republican subset and a Neocon subset overlapping into both Rep and Dem, then the Libertarian anarchists well off in their own niche.
Or maybe its just the caffeine talking.
I don’t think I would want to waste my time debating with you, Palmetto. It would be like trying to debate with Satan or one of his demon lackeys. And since you have no respect for either our glorious blood-bought U.S. Constitution or the readers and contributors to this site, it would be pointless to quote Scripture to you (which is how Christ vanquished Satan) since you recognize no other lawful authority than your own secular humanist, “libertarian” worldviews.
Extremely minor correction, Monkey Werx is the channel/community and the goodman’s handle is MilSpec Ops Monkey.
The establishment is just patting themselves on the back with this release. They made no secret of destroying Nordsteam prior to its demise and after. They successfully sliced Russia off from Europe and are now filling the energy void.
It is all business as usual. Only the idiots act surprised.
Over @ Gateway Pundit, I saw this: “are they [Germany] the prison bitch”
What a line.
I laughed… seems like it… Yes, Sy Hersh does it again!
What a web we weave when we attempt to deceive.
You know Joe Biden could’ve started World War Three in secret and the American People would’ve never been told…
The American People are the Sovereign … what does that equal out to?
Imagine Scholz’s first day in a US prison. Prison ‘bitch’? Within an hour, tops.
He’d say it’s only a cucking , not a prison bitching.
The British `do not` have a deep hatred of Russia.
Why Sir, do you propagate this LIE ?
Is it your own deep seated hatred?
Your malice betrays you.
Margeret Thatcher opposed German reunification within NATO because of the potential threat it might pose to a post soviet Russian Federation.
Mrs Thatcher also opposed EU integration as a threat to British soverignty and European democracy.
If the British `hate` anyone or anything it is the pepper-pot Napoleons of Brussels and the treasonous shills in the Palace of Westminster.
Well, she was wrong about German reunification.
This is not Germany’s fault.
Weak as he is to be a prison bitch.
Just to state the bleeding obvious: imagine if Trump had done this.
Stevie- well said. But who else would have ordered this except Trump(!)?
From before Trump was Presient, the msm have been regularly saying he was about to be divorced. I’m ignoring the reports about mother running a brothel, father gun running, and the whole family mafia Dons . . . . !
“reports about mother running a brothel,
father gun running, and the whole family mafia Dons . .”
That’s Joe Biden
Or not far off… the real crime family… Joe, Hunter, and brother James Biden.
Makes the Addams Family look warm & cuddly… all American.
My opinion? The German government (Kolonialvetwaltung) has known for a long time who the perpetrators are. But these guys don’t care. They serve the empire. What will happen now from the German side? NICHTS‼️80% of the German population will not know about it. 20% will be persecuted by the EU fascists, because of “Russian disinformation”. Washington’s 5th column is completely stuck in the anus of the empire. Why not? They live like maggots in bacon, while the rabble should eat insects and stop calling themselves mother and father. Only God and Putin can help us.
Germany is done. The government is still thinking they can somehow send weapons and money to Ukraine and still be “friends” with Russia again, because all of this is Russia’s fault. Don’t have to explain here how dumb and naive that mindset really is. They double down every time because they have no other way. As they say it, Russia must not win. Wishful thinking, nothing more.
Everyone smart, hardworking and/or talented will leave Germany in the future. Germany is already a EU ghetto harboring every migrant they can lure into EU. This has catastrophe written all over it. People will realize in time what their country has become. Hence, Germany is done.
The German government was in on it…
My conviction is that they at least knew. We have no government, only a colonial administration. They don’t care about the fate of the population. I have now spent two days discussing with people in Russia. Emotions there are very strong. Tendency to hate the West.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. I don’t see a good future for Germany.
Londonstan is already there. Indigenous whites are now in the minority – official census. And a Londonstan Mayor henceforth will always be muslim.
Dregs of the World encouraged to move in, whites go elsewhere in the World. It’s called White Flight.
indirect rule in Germany.
Little India or Greater Britain ?
What can Britain do, but to return to old behavior, but now EU, ‘the continent’ is a better victim as India, Bärbock ‘studied’ in London, Britain has an ‘indian’ Primeminister and Biden has ancestors who worked for the EIC in India and has still relatives in India.
So if USA has committed an Act of War against Germany, a fellow member of NATO, doesn’t it activate Article 5 where an attack on one is an attack on all? Or it doesn’t apply only if USA is the attacker?
I’ll make a prediction.
This is what is gonna happen with total accuracy from minute 2:02 to 2:30
https://youtu.be/6hX68X66jyw
The “blonde” monkeys are the germans btw.
We must not forget that the terrorist attack on NS also had a media episode. The MSM liars, who convinced us of the existence of the “Ghost of Kiev” and the “Ukrainian old woman who shot down a Russian drone with a jar of tomatoes”, launched several crazy theories that the Russians destroyed their gas pipeline themselves.
The craziest theory was that by destroying NS, the Russians wanted to show Norway that they could also destroy the Norwegian gas pipeline to Poland, which was opened on the day of the attack on NS. In other words, I want to show you that I can set your house on fire by… I set my house on fire. Such media terrorists today declare Hersch “controversial”.
The positive thing is that this story was published in the media at all, because here where I live, people still don’t know that Angela Merkel admitted that the Minsk agreement was a fraud with the aim of buying time to arm Ukraine. That story was not published at all.
Interesting. Where doing you live?
Bosnia and Herzegovina. We are surrounded by three countries that speak the same language, so I can follow their media. Angela Merkel’s recognition was published only in Serbia, but not in Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro. Serbia is the only one that maintains a neutral position, the other three countries are complete vassals of the West
Es posible que algún día sepamos que el Gobierno Alemán (Scholz/Baerbock), dió su consentimiento a la voladura pues, en el fondo, le quitaba de encima el “problema” de seguir conectado energéticamente a Rusia.
Logico y muy possible. Quien sabe?
Alemania lleva conectada energéticamente a Rusia/Unión Soviética desde los años 60… no acabo de ver dónde está el “problema” …
All I can see now is this whole war folly is blowing up everywhere right now. All over you can just sense we are at that point where something big is going to happen. Even at work my colleagues are all talking now , where before conversations like this are not discussed. People are waking up and fast. The media cant hide, the Biden administration can’t hide.
I am British and I have never hated Russians. I used to work with Americans and liked them too. But in the military there was a joke “ the Americans are the problem”. Now I know this feeling has been about for many years even in the military.
“According to the Constitution, only Congress has the power to declare war on another country. Joe Biden has usurped that authority and carried out an act of war against a NATO ally (Germany).”
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Constitution gives the President the authority to order the armed forces into action.
He does not need Congressional approval to exercise that authority as Commander In Chief.
But what the Constitution does require is that when that combat starts it also sets a clock ticking, and the President then has 21 (?) days to seek a declaration of war from Congress.
If he doesn’t get that declaration (or, nowadays, a Congressional Authorization For The Use of Force) then he has to order the armed forces to deconflict.
But that’s all academic: the Nord Stream sabotage was a once-and-done act.
No articles of the US Constitution were violated by it, because once that plane returned to base then the entire armed attack (which, indeed, was what it was) was done and dusted.
I suspect that if Biden is going to get into trouble it will be for reasons of mundane domestic law e.g. his brainiacs convinced him to use US Navy divers rather than Special Operations Command personnel to carry out a covert mission.
The argument will be that his Administration did that precisely to circumvent the legal requirement to inform Congress that a covert operation was taking place.
Which, indeed, was precisely what this operation was, and I will bet good money that to this day Congress has not been let in on that open-secret.
So if he does get in hot water (I doubt it, but you never know) it will be for being too clever by half, and for showing contempt for a co-equal pillar of the US Government.
And, let’s face it, being too clever by half is the hallmark of the neocon and the liberal interventionist.
Pardon me, I made a few mistakes above.
The time limit for a President to seek approval from Congress is not contained within the Constitution, it is mandated by the War Powers Resolution of 1973.
A President can order the Armed Forces to go BANG! on anyone, any time, and for any reason. The WPR then demands that the President inform Congress within 48 hours, and to seek an “authorization” from Congress within 60 days.
If he doesn’t get that authorization then he has a further 30 days to extract the US Armed Forces from the Fine Mess They Have Found Themselves In.
Regardless, I am still convinced that the Biden Administration will arfue (if it has to explain itself, which it probably won’t ) that it didn’t need to tell Congress anything because the “armed conflict” was all over within minutes.
Where they are stuck between a rock and a hard place is that they can’t now admit that this was a covert action (which, obviously, it was) because covert actions are pre-planned.
They can’t admit that, because then there is no excuse for failing to inform the necessary Congressional oversight committees that this was in the works (I almost wrote “in the pipeline” but, hey, that’d be in poor taste).
So Up is Down, Left is Right, and this wasn’t a covert operation even if we did it – which we don’t admit – and it wasn’t a war because, well, it wasn’t even if it was us, which we deny for reasons of…. reasons. Oh, look, a balloon! There! Over there, can’t you see it?
Yeah Right,
While he commands the armed forces they have no obligation to follow illegal orders, which this obviously would be. It is convenient to the narrative in the story that State and CIA managers had concerns but none of the military officers. (who are definitely Not elite as we are told in detail) very convenient. Christopher Steele level convenient.
It is not at all obvious that this was an illegal order under the US military code of conduct, which I believe is the relevant yardstick for determining such things.
I’ve just come across the Reuters article on this, and it points to how the MSM will attempt to bury the story.
Its headline is: “Russia calls for international probe into Nord Stream blasts after blogger report.”
After. Blogger. Report.
How insulting.
It would be like describing a State of the Union address as, you know, some mumbling from some bumbling politician. Whatever. Nothing of importance. Move along.
Or describing the Superbowl as, well, some backyard game of some sort. Yawn. Who cares.
Sy Hersh is now just a “blogger”, whereas (presumably) the likes of David Axe, Fareed Zakaria or David Ignatius, gosh, those dudes are The Real Deal.
Hersh’s story fills in a lot of blank spots, leaves some, and seems to create some new ones. Nevertheless, his high profile and the colourful details ensure that the world will accept the story as reflecting some significant percentage of the larger truth.
Obviously, the people who told Hersh the story wanted it to get into the public domain, but who they were, what their agendas are, who they’re protecting and how much of it is misdirection remains unknown. Hersh’s Bin Laden murder story had all the earmarks of a limited hangout as it skirted some public facts, got some wrong, “confirmed” the least plausible and I expect that to be the case here (EG: Norwegian P8?) as other details leak into the public domain over the coming months.
Doubtless, both they and Hersh left parts of story and some of the actors out, and emphasized others, but it’s those unspoken agendas that are what is really interesting. To what end(s) was it leaked? Is there anything significant about the timing? How is it that Liz’s “It’s done” text message to Blinken doesn’t merit a mention? Or the Swedish Navy’s suspicious behaviour?
At any rate, according to Hersh, at least 2 founding members of NATO colluded to commit a blatant, unprovoked act of war against their “allies”, and humiliated them before the whole world. Normally, that would shatter any “alliance”. Splitting NATO at the least, and the EU as well.
Much of Europe, whether it knows it yet or not, just joined the Global South. It remains to be seen who (besides the 5 Eyes) peel themselves away. If they haven’t yet started making plans, the question is will they realize it in time to save themselves.
Is it possible it was a Royal Air Force P8. That could explain why Truss knew immediately through her forces. Just a thought but I have no means to check.
This seems an appropriate level of circumspection.
Hersh’s story boils down to a single anonymous source The story is detailed but uncorroborated except for the historical presence of BALTAP 22 and a P8 Orion track. Hersh’s piece is not investigative by any standard and perhaps not journalism. Frankly, reams of detail are meaningless if they can’t be corroborated.
Given the Truss-Blinken communication the US was involved (but it’s worth reflecting upon how that communication became known), and elements of the story seem quite reasonable. The large working group is not one as it violates all kinds of operational security for planning what boils down to an illegal act of war. It’s also all kinds of unnecessary for this particular technical problem. Given that the principles had no objections to an illegal act of war, it seems unlikely they would allow their subordinates’ concerns to be spread. The story that POTUS came up with the idea to delay detonation makes good copy, but also seems unlikely. POTUS being involved at all violates plausible deniability, but perhaps this one hasn’t earned credit for having that much sense.
Allen Dulles is rolling in his grave if this story is true.
As for European nations falling away from Project Russia, if they instead continue to double down it will reinforce my belief that EU/UK leadership are guiltier in all this than commonly believed.
Agreed that Hersh doesn’t name his sources, but one could hardly expect a source to talk about such matters except under absolute anonymity. Having said that, Hersh’s reputation is such that one trusts that he’s recounting the story as told to him and that he didn’t suck it out of his thumb.
Sources, of course, lie when it suits them and that they use investigative reporters to send up trial balloons and/or frame an issue is not news. Sources can also be mistaken and the job of the investigative reporter is to verify as much of the story as he can. Even if his source is a long trusted one, I’d think Hersh would’ve done a lot of background investigation of individual points in the storyline.
At the end of the day, the majority of breaking stories break when somebody with an agenda wants them broken. Hersh’s source lays the blame squarely with the Biden Administration, and assigns a level of agency to Biden himself that almost beggars belief.
Is his story connected to the recent, equally odd “discoveries” of classified documents in garages with Corvettes? To the stories now surfacing about Hunter’s laptop/Burisma/Ukraine biolab connections? Is somebody building a “Watergate 2.0” around Biden and his Administration? If somebody is, who are they and what do they plan post-Biden?
I don’t know, but the important thing is that Hersh’s story has put the US at the heart of the crime. Internationally, the cat has been loosed amongst the pigeons. Though it’s all but been dropped down the memory hole, Nordstream is a landmark event that will colour the foreseeable future. It begs for closer scrutiny and it now might just get it.
I know from personal experience with Sy that he does not take a juicy potential story from a single source without corroboration from at least two other sources. He learned early on he could be burned. There is no one alive in Sy’s league. Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi and Michael Shellenberg are trying to follow in his footsteps (and they do terrific work) but none have broken as many consequential stories as Sy.
“… he does not take a juicy potential story from a single source without corroboration from at least two other sources.”
For a story of this size and import, I wouldn’t be surprised if Hersh talked to dozens of sources, but at the end of the day a reporter can investigate only as far as his sources lead him.
Then there’s the lessons that the parable of the Six Blind Men and the Elephant teaches us. Namely, that much judicious work needs to be done to connect the 6 disparate reports into an approximate description of a living elephant.
Ergo, his story is necessarily an approximation of the whole truth, and the resulting political impact is the vector sum of the agendas of his various sources.
If asked to guess, I’d say that >80% of my correspondents and the alt-media concluded within hours that some combination of the US and its NATO allies were responsible. The “Putin did it” trope never made it past the mainstream, and didn’t get much traction even there.
Their conclusions died on the vine from lack of context. Hersh’s story places the crime in a context, giving it the legs it lacked.
We’ll see where it goes, but it has already done much to augment the US’ reputation as a rogue nation that needs to be brought to heel and it seems that the story is building some momentum. Therein lies its its greatest value.
MilSpec Ops Monkey put up another video last week reiterating that the P8 was US, not Norwegian and that the mechanism was likely an air-dropped torpedo rather than explosives. He also stated fairly directly that he thinks Hersh was fed a script by “the black hats”.
To summarize this brief discussion, it looks as if “Russia blew up her own pipeline” is not the cover story, this is the cover story. To be clear, I don’t doubt this POTUS wouldn’t green-light something like this, but it seems highly unlikely he’s a real decision-maker (this is true even if the senile senior citizen thing is an act).
This easily could have been a unilateral CIA operation, but how does the Truss-Blinken message fit in? A British-crewed Agency bird? Or a Canadian bird? But those violate Ockham’s Razor.
Not a fan of Obama at all, but he did say one thing that has been proven to be accurate time and time again. “Never underestimate the the ability of Joe(Biden) to fuck things up”.
Seems like Larry is putting a lot of blame on that extremely senile old goat Biden. Wasn’t it only 11 Republicans that didn’t vote to fund the proxy war in Ukraine?
Have to ask who wanted the pipe blown. Why does anyone think the Republicans will do anything differently?
State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin has already commented on the Seymour Hirsch investigation of the North Stream I & II explosions.
https://www.rt.com/russia/571210-biden-volodin-nord-stream/
Top Russian lawmaker labels US president a ‘terrorist’
Joe Biden has earned the title by ordering the destruction of Europe’s energy infrastructure, State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin claims
Speaker of the Russian parliament Vyacheslav Volodin has branded US President Joe Biden a “terrorist” after a report by iconic American investigative journalist Seymour Hersh blamed Washington for sabotaging the Nord Stream pipelines last year.
Volodin said on Thursday that Biden’s State of the Union address, in which he claimed that the US was “a nation that stands as a beacon to the world,” reminded him of “statements by the leaders of the Third Reich.”
The ramifications of this “ideology of exceptionalism” were uncovered in the investigation by Hersh, the Russian MP wrote in a post on Telegram.
The State Duma speaker was referring to a report published by the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist on Wednesday, in which he claimed that the US was behind the explosions on the Nord Stream pipelines last September. According to an informed source who talked to Hersh, explosives were planted at the key pipelines in the Baltic Sea back in June 2022 by US Navy divers under the guise of a NATO exercise. They were later detonated remotely.
Nord Stream 1 and 2 had been important routes for the delivery of Russian gas to Europe through Germany.
“If [Harry S.] Truman became a criminal, who used nuclear weapons against civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then Biden became a terrorist, who ordered the destruction of the energy infrastructure of his strategic partners: Germany, France, the Netherlands,” Volodin said.
The sabotage of the pipelines by the Americans was “an act of intimidation of its vassals, who decided to develop their economy in the interests of their own citizens,” he wrote.
The revelations by Hersh should be grounds for an international investigation to “bring Biden and his accomplices to justice,” and to make sure that the nations affected by this “terrorist attack” are paid compensation, Volodin added.
The Biden administration has denied the report by Hersh, with the National Security Council spokeswoman Adrienne Watson calling it “utterly false and complete fiction.”
The Russian authorities have for months been pointing to the fact that the only side that benefited from Nord Stream being rendered inoperable was the US, which saw its supplies of liquified natural gas to Europe increase massively following the sabotage.
As an American citizen, I agree wholeheartedly with everything Volodin said. Justice demands that the whole criminal gang responsible for this get the full Nuremberg treatment… in public this time around.
For the life of me I couldn’t figure out why we gave a shit about that balloon. Larry’s prior write up summed that too…why…we have them and this gives china an open license to shoot ours. Then yesterday I realized that Sy Hersh likely reached out a week or so ago asking for the WH to comment on the impending story and that freaking balloon was them buying a distraction and ways to dilute it. Heck, even a trail derailment now makes all of me a cynic
I think that a Polish Navy special warfare unit planted the charges at the behest of the U.S. government. They did it to hurt Germany, as much as to hurt Russia. The Poles have a long history of antagonism towards both countries. They’re also to some degree beholden to Washington. In the past, the Poles have supported and allied themselves with Napoleonic France, Britain and the U.S. Or anybody that is fundamentally hostile to both Germany and Russia.
This operation gave them a chance to “participate,” without anybody suspecting them. And to cover for the U.S. Yet it fulfilled certain unspoken political objectives for them.
Larry have you read these at the postil?
https://www.thepostil.com/what-ukraine-tells-us-about-the-coming-war/
https://www.thepostil.com/what-ukraine-tells-us-about-the-coming-war-continued/
Interested in your thoughts, thanks
MSM are still in complete denial ; as an African proverb says “He who swallow a coconut have great trust in his anus.” , the MSM are trying to swallow the thing like “Why did Marjory dress like a hoe for the SOTI ? “(Nothing more interesting during that discourse apparently) or “Hellensky fly with Macaron and Scholl in BXL” … this will blow-back like a 737 in a skyscraper.
Press is like money : it’s a trust based industry , if you lost the trust , you’ll loose the job.
PS : I was right about my predictions about the gas thing yesterday : There was some “Ze Russians did it” just this morning .. The prediction game is not even fun anymore 🙂
Los europeos no odiamos a los rusos. No es odio. Es codicia pura y dura.
No nos cabe en la cabeza, que nuestros recursos naturales, estén en su territorio.
Por eso, cada vez que juntamos fuerzas, vamos alli a estrellarnos.
El odio, solo es una de las filas de la leva de los incautos.
We Europeans don’t hate Russians. It’s not hate. It is pure and simple greed.
It does not fit in our heads that our natural resources are in their territory.
That’s why every time we join forces, we go there to crash.
Hate is only one of the ranks of the cam of the unwary.
Hey Larry! Sy made Drudgereport last night, the entire Substack story linked. Now, back when Matt owned the site 10 or more years back, that would be no big deal. In this day and age when Deep-State frauds like Krugman and Dowd and that whole 50-strong crowd are the only ones listed on the Drudge roster (Sy Hersh is not, but I could swear he used to be)? It is remarkable to me anyway, that they allowed Sy’s article in, especially one so revealing (if not a surprise to any of us who know what sneaky, deprave shits these folks are).
Next time you tee it up, tell him thanks, from us, the little people.
Be honest, who had Seymour Hersh as Gavrilo Princip on their WW3 bingo card? That was the shot that should be heard around the world, or at the least in Germany…
I’m a money guy. It’s fun to talk about who hates who, but it all comes back to money. NordStream blown up. Europe now has higher energy costs forever. They will be able to get oil and gas (probably Russian) but more expensive after it has been floated around, rerouted, and rebranded. SO European products cost more. Part of Europe’s supply will be American LNG. Which is more expensive also. That is gas that would have been used in America, so now our supply is lower. So, our heating bills will be higher. Forever. Meanwhile, the future war with China progresses. No more cheap shit from China. For either Europe or the US. So, consumer prices go up as you try to make shit made by slave labor with millennials who do not want to work. AS. We have to spend more and more money to make weapons to send Ukraine, and to refill the empty armories. And you can print so much. SO, taxes have to go up. WELCOME to the world of much higher prices. Of price induced shortages. Of the end of plenty. And as discontent grows, they manipulate us to believe the class war is a race war. Or a gender war, or a anything war. To make us hate each other instead of the powers that have destroyed our world. And the sheep graze. On a more personal note, I had been looking at Asia as my escape route. The China war may well envelop all of Asia though, and I have no desire to be a rich expat in an Asian warzone. My Army days were in Germany and South America. The cuck Nazi’s of Germany are definitely out, so it looks like back to the past. I am thinking Uruguay or Chile. God Help me, maybe Nicaragua.
” And the sheep graze. ”
What a perfect insert. It made my day. Thanks for it.
Defense contractors saw this coming years ago and hired a sh*t load of immigrants— naturalized U.S. citizens mostly from Latin America but also from SE Asia— to assemble their weapon systems at plants. American-born need not apply, they can be used to operate them in Ukraine or Taiwan. ‘Thank you for your service!”
Hey Curt…your best chances of contracting a STD are still in Asia…best of luck finding a bug out bunker to retire at/in.
Since I have a bad proclivity toward barebacking, yes Asia could be a problem. I have so many friends and memories in Mexico, but they are hauling ass FROM Mexico due to the cartels. I think the money bet is South America. And I have un poco Espanol. I am not convinced they are going batshit nuclear. But I honestly feel like a stranger in my own country. And people are tense. There is just an oddness in the air here now that is freaking me out. I was in San Jose Costa Rica a while back. And while the CR is not in my plans (too many gringos driving up the prices), it was remarkable how calm it was. Went drinking with some friends several times, and we always ended up at Grandma and Grandpa’s house at 3 in the morning. Where they would gently chide us, and bring some food out, and have another drink or two with us.
Good times…you’ve earned it.
For the time being I’m holed up in Northern MI in a good spot to fend off the impending zombie apocalypse.
Interesting times…
Biden does not have to do any damage control because U.S. State MSM will do it for them. To them, the likes of Sy Hersch and Julian Assange are to be dismissed as enemies of the state.
Agreed…don’t look to Western Political Elites for any kind of response even though Biden’s actions constitute an impeachable offense.
“Biden does not have to do any damage control because U.S. State MSM will do it for them. To them, the likes of Sy Hersch and Julian Assange are to be dismissed as enemies of the state.”
Sy Hersh’s reportage goes back to Vietnam and his expose’ at My Lai. He could NOT be dismissed. He told the whole story. And that was before the entire media was taken over by the Deep State. Enemy of the state indeed. Here’s his article on THAT particular story:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1972/01/22/coverup
Another during that era:
https://www.nytimes.com/1972/03/15/archives/hanoi-makes-use-of-downed-jets-visitor-is-told-the-age-of-aluminum.html
Seriously, where will we ever find men like these going forward? Bob Woodward? Fucking Deep State joke. So are all the rest that are in the club.
Larry, is there ANYONE you didn’t know in DC? That’s likely the shorter list. Thanks for reviving certain memories. My Mom and Dad HATED Vietnam, but I remember she had several of Sy’s books on the shelf. Didn’t get around to them, I guess I was too busy reading arms of Krupp and Theodore White and Making of the President. When I was ten, maybe twelve.
Anyway, thanks.
Duke of Norfolk. A good direction, warlike sovereign.
This found I on my tent this morning.
[He sheweth him a paper]
Richard III (Duke of Gloucester). [Reads]
‘Jockey of Norfolk, be not too bold,
For Dickon thy master is bought and sold.’
A thing devised by the enemy.
Dickon Biden is bought and sold. The neocon clique runs the country. Kagan etc. They have silenced Sy Hersh. From whence comes their incredible power?
Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov makes a salient point: “There aren’t that many countries in the world that are capable of carrying out such sabotage”. https://www.rt.com/russia/571231-kremlin-nord-stream-us/
At this point, the ball is in Russia’s court…the West will do nothing even if Biden admits to approving the Op. If Russia chooses to respond, it will do so in a timely-strategically well thought out manner and it will sting.
The Global Times (China) has come forward with a reaction according to Russian RT.
https://russian.rt.com/world/news/1109180-kitai-ssha-severnyi-potok
Global Times: Investigation into US involvement in Nord Stream bombing can be trusted
Chinese experts believe that the investigation of the American journalist Seymour Hersh on the involvement of the United States in undermining the Nord Stream is credible, writes the Chinese international publication Global Times.
“Chinese experts, given the previous behavior of the United States, believe that the Hersh report deserves great credibility,” the material says .
At the same time, the denial of the arguments cited by Hersh will not prevent Russia from obtaining more evidence based on his investigation, the authors write.
“Washington denied the accusations without further explanation, but the article immediately provoked a bitter verbal confrontation between the United States and Russia and caused a lot of noise in geopolitics,” the publication reports.
An employee of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, Lu Xiang, recalled US President Joe Biden’s threats against the pipeline.
So, if Biden were an ordinary citizen and after these threats “a pipe exploded somewhere in the USA,” then his words would be interpreted by the American prosecutor’s office as a weighty motive, and Biden himself would be legally liable, the expert is sure.
At the same time, Li Haidong, a professor at the Institute of International Relations at the Chinese University of Foreign Affairs, expressed the opinion that the United States is “the genius of a dirty game” that used “washing powder” to accuse Iraq of possessing weapons of mass destruction.
Earlier, an American investigative journalist, Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Hersh, said that US Navy divers planted explosives under Nord Stream .
In his article, he wrote that the pipelines were mined during the NATO exercises Baltops 22 using remotely activated devices.
The White House and the CIA, in response to a request for comment, called this information “lies” and “fiction.”
The Global Times is definitely not credible as a new source.
MonkeyWerx is not credible. It is most unlikely they would not have turned off their transponders BEFORE approaching the damaged NordStream section.
Even the US/Norway military planners would have thought of that.
Coming soon:
https://securityconference.org/en/news/full/announcement/msc2023/
The 59th Munich Security Conference (MSC) will take place from February 17 to 19, 2023, at the Hotel Bayerischer Hof in Munich. For three days, the MSC 2023 will once again offer an unparalleled platform for high-level debates on the key foreign and security policy challenges of our time.
Almost one year after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the MSC 2023 will also provide an opportunity to take stock of alliance cohesion and political commitment to the rules-based international order.
Looking beyond its transatlantic core, the MSC 2023 will place a particular emphasis on diverse perspectives from the Global South.
The MSC 2023 will also provide the German Federal Government with the first opportunity to present and discuss its new National Security Strategy.
I’ve been watching Monkeywerx for a couple of years. Last year he accurately forecast the NATO movements in the build up to the Ukraine conflict by watching the air traffic. He said that saying ‘something is turning hot ‘.
Of course this tracking is only possible when the aircraft in question have their transponders turned on but MWorx is a darned good analyst anyway.
Anyone who was paying attention knew that the U.S. blew up the pipeline. The nonsense that “Russia did it!” never flew with anyone and was quickly dropped in favor of total silence. Kinda like no one really believed that Epstein committed suicide. But, of course, both of these fictions were the Official Story™ so that’s what the MSM pronounced. Case closed.
We’re swimming in an ocean of lies. Virtually everything we are told is a lie. Some will always believe what they are told, either because they’re just not smart enough to figure it our or they’re intelligent but so beholden to the system that they go along and even become true believers. Noam Chomsky said the educated class was the worst:
“One reason that propaganda often works better on the educated than on the uneducated is that educated people read more, so they receive more propaganda. Another is that they have jobs in management, media, and academia and therefore work in some capacity as agents of the propaganda system—and they believe what the system expects them to believe. By and large, they’re part of the privileged elite, and share the interests and perceptions of those in power.”
– Noam Chomsky, Propaganda, American-style
I’m not hearing much from “LawDog” and his theory that the pipelines simply ruptured from shoddy construction and maintenance. I guess he was just a tool of the moment to obscure and distract from the most obvious truth.
I have absolutely no doubt that Russians and Chineses authorities know exactly what happened with the NS pipelines. The technologies of both countries is currently superior than the West.
Larry,
A few corrections to Seymour Hersh’s Nord Stream reporting at this link:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/02/some-small-corrections-to-seymour-hershs-new-nord-stream-revelations.html
“…Hersh’s story is true. That U.S. officials deny it means nothing. Previous revelations by Hersh on domestic spying by the CIA, on the My Lai massacre, on torture at Abu Ghraib, were also denied but eventually all were proven to be true.
The story about the pipelines makes complete sense. Unfortunately there are some details that Hersh, for lack of access to the right information, gets wrong….”
Sy is reporting what sources from the intel community told him. Time will tell if he is right.
Check out my Substack post exploring Putin’s motives for blowing up the pipeline:
https://genefrenkle.substack.com/
I have read that article, and I have a lot of respect for Bernhart.
But I have to say that in the article b appears to be arguing “a distinction without a difference”
Putin’s “deal” in early SMO (comments): has the topic of the supposed deal to stop the SMO with significant concessions from Putin been discussed on Sonar21? I have found it surprising if true. The news comes from Naftali Bennett, former PM of Israel.
https://sputniknews.com/20230206/naftali-bennetts-inconvenient-recollection-1107024858.html
On Russian RT an article was published about foreign firms that have left the Russian market. https://russian.rt.com/business/article/1109116-putin-biznes-ubytki-inostrancy
Already the title: “Leave – all the best” makes it clear that Putin is very satisfied with the present situation where Russian entrepreneurs are successfully continuing and even expanding the businesses that they were able to buy at a discount of about 70%.
From the article:
“It is noteworthy that only about 5% of foreign firms have completely stopped their work in Russia, while other organizations that have announced their departure only limit their activities or sell their assets to local entrepreneurs.”
““Approximately 40-50% of companies made statements about leaving, but, in fact, almost all of them remain. Either they change signs, or formally transfer this business into ownership to someone, but continue their activities. Moreover, almost everyone declares that they will return to Russia after some time, ”Aksakov noted.
According to the latest estimates by the Center for Strategic Research (CSR), approximately 69% of companies that decided to leave Russia sold their local division to a new owner. Moreover, at least 30% of such transactions provide for the possibility of returning assets to the original owner. Under these conditions, for example, Renault and McDonald’s left Russia.
At the same time, foreigners are forced to sell their business in Russia at significant discounts. The average size of such a discount is about 70%, while the largest losses are incurred by enterprises in the oil and gas industry, the banking sector, as well as the automotive and food industries.”
“According to the Center for Strategic Research, the new owners of the former divisions of foreign companies began to act quickly and by the beginning of September 2022, approximately 90% of such enterprises were able to resume work. This made it possible to save about 150 thousand jobs.
Thus, according to the specialists of the Center for Strategic Research, on a national scale, the departure of foreign business did not have a devastating effect on the Russian economy, contrary to the statements of some foreign politicians. A similar point of view in an interview with RT was expressed by the head of the laboratory for the analysis of institutions and financial markets of the Institute for Applied Economic Research of the RANEPA Alexander Abramov.
“There are certain difficulties, but they have not led to a paralysis of the economy. In most cases, a good scheme worked: foreigners sold their businesses cheaply to Russian investors, and they keep the enterprises running and only replace brands. This made it possible not to cut jobs and maintain the production of many goods. Of course, the main question is whether the new owners will be able to further develop this business at the proper level. However, almost a year has passed, and in general, companies are still working with dignity,” Abramov said.
Initially, one of the main fears of the Russian authorities was precisely the possible increase in unemployment against the backdrop of the withdrawal of foreign business. Nevertheless, these risks did not materialize in the end, says Deputy Minister of Economic Development Polina Kryuchkova.
“There was no mass exit of people to the labor exchange. In fact, if you look at the total employment of companies that have harshly announced their resignation, it is, let’s say, large, but not critical for the economy, ”TASS quotes Kryuchkova.
According to her, Russian companies are now taking the place of Western companies. As a result, if at the end of 2021 the unemployment rate in Russia was 4.3%, then by the end of 2022 the figure dropped to 3.7% , the lowest level in the entire post-Soviet period. This is evidenced by the materials of the Federal State Statistics Service.
According to Vyacheslav Volodin, today Russian companies are not only successfully replacing their departed Western competitors, but are also increasing production volumes. For example, the production of clothing in the country grew by 42%, and medicines – by 15%, the speaker of the State Duma noted.
According to Alexander Abramov, today not all industries have the opportunity to completely replace the departed Western brands with Russian products. As a result, free niches in the market are beginning to be occupied by companies from friendly countries. In particular, such a situation can be observed today in the automotive industry , where the presence of Chinese foreign cars is growing.”
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In the past Russia was able to cope with the departure of western firms that dominated the agricultural market. Russia has now become one of the world’s biggest exporters of wheat. President Putin secretly welcomes the sanctions packages from the West, because it means that Russia will have to become an independent & autarkic economy.
On Russian RT an article was published about foreign firms that have left the Russian market. https://russian.rt.com/business/article/1109116-putin-biznes-ubytki-inostrancy
Already the title: “Leave – all the best” makes it clear that Putin is very satisfied with the present situation where Russian entrepreneurs are successfully continuing and even expanding the businesses that they were able to buy at a discount of about 70%.
From the article:
“It is noteworthy that only about 5% of foreign firms have completely stopped their work in Russia, while other organizations that have announced their departure only limit their activities or sell their assets to local entrepreneurs.”
““Approximately 40-50% of companies made statements about leaving, but, in fact, almost all of them remain. Either they change signs, or formally transfer this business into ownership to someone, but continue their activities. Moreover, almost everyone declares that they will return to Russia after some time, ”Aksakov noted.
According to the latest estimates by the Center for Strategic Research (CSR), approximately 69% of companies that decided to leave Russia sold their local division to a new owner. Moreover, at least 30% of such transactions provide for the possibility of returning assets to the original owner. Under these conditions, for example, Renault and McDonald’s left Russia.
At the same time, foreigners are forced to sell their business in Russia at significant discounts. The average size of such a discount is about 70%, while the largest losses are incurred by enterprises in the oil and gas industry, the banking sector, as well as the automotive and food industries.”
“According to the Center for Strategic Research, the new owners of the former divisions of foreign companies began to act quickly and by the beginning of September 2022, approximately 90% of such enterprises were able to resume work. This made it possible to save about 150 thousand jobs.
Thus, according to the specialists of the Center for Strategic Research, on a national scale, the departure of foreign business did not have a devastating effect on the Russian economy, contrary to the statements of some foreign politicians. A similar point of view in an interview with RT was expressed by the head of the laboratory for the analysis of institutions and financial markets of the Institute for Applied Economic Research of the RANEPA Alexander Abramov.
“There are certain difficulties, but they have not led to a paralysis of the economy. In most cases, a good scheme worked: foreigners sold their businesses cheaply to Russian investors, and they keep the enterprises running and only replace brands. This made it possible not to cut jobs and maintain the production of many goods. Of course, the main question is whether the new owners will be able to further develop this business at the proper level. However, almost a year has passed, and in general, companies are still working with dignity,” Abramov said.
Initially, one of the main fears of the Russian authorities was precisely the possible increase in unemployment against the backdrop of the withdrawal of foreign business. Nevertheless, these risks did not materialize in the end, says Deputy Minister of Economic Development Polina Kryuchkova.
“There was no mass exit of people to the labor exchange. In fact, if you look at the total employment of companies that have harshly announced their resignation, it is, let’s say, large, but not critical for the economy, ”TASS quotes Kryuchkova.
According to her, Russian companies are now taking the place of Western companies. As a result, if at the end of 2021 the unemployment rate in Russia was 4.3%, then by the end of 2022 the figure dropped to 3.7% , the lowest level in the entire post-Soviet period. This is evidenced by the materials of the Federal State Statistics Service.
According to Vyacheslav Volodin, today Russian companies are not only successfully replacing their departed Western competitors, but are also increasing production volumes. For example, the production of clothing in the country grew by 42%, and medicines – by 15%, the speaker of the State Duma noted.
According to Alexander Abramov, today not all industries have the opportunity to completely replace the departed Western brands with Russian products. As a result, free niches in the market are beginning to be occupied by companies from friendly countries. In particular, such a situation can be observed today in the automotive industry , where the presence of Chinese foreign cars is growing.”
—–
In the past Russia was able to cope with the departure of western firms that dominated the agricultural market. Russia has now become one of the world’s biggest exporters of wheat. President Putin secretly welcomes the sanctions packages from the West, because it means that Russia will have to become an independent & autarkic economy.
Larry & friends,
On ideology; Libertarians & anarchists both want to do away with the superstructure of a state. Libertarians like private property while anarchists abhor it. Neither has much of a record of creating a stable society in the modern world.
The demolition of Nordstream is likely to be buried, Baudrillard’s fourth order substitution; the signifier no longer has any relation to the original sign. If it isn’t on MSN/BBC/CBC, it didn’t happen. Hey, where are my meds?
The only difference is Hersh claimed it was Norwegian navy P8, whereas monkeywerx said the P8 flew from the US. So unless the Norwegians had a P8 take off from the US it was a US P8.
The Norwegian P8s were delivered in 2022, but weren’t scheduled to be operational until 2023. Maybe one was pulled forward into a black-op, but my guess is that it’s just a bit of misdirection from one of Hersh’s sources.
Another misdirection may be the “Navy divers”. John Mark Dougan reported a whistleblower’s letter that claimed a group of divers appeared during BALTOPS 22 that didn’t look like USN at all, and were met by American civilians who everybody assumed were intelligence.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c0jvJWqf10
Here he compares the letter to Hersh’s article:
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd908X8cuzg
Whatever one thinks of Dougan, using US Navy divers for as black an op as Nordstream struck me as odd, and to this long time recreational diver the whistleblower’s version of what happened “in the water” strikes me as close to what I’d expect this sort of operation to look like.
As many have said, somebody wants this story out in the public domain. It’s bound to contain a few misdirections pointing away from protected persons/means towards persons/means one of the sources wants the finger to point at.
I suspect you, Chris McMorrow, know nothing worth knowing about secular humanism. But let me say this first: although I love secular humanism, I don’t necessarily love many secular humanists. You know, it’s like saying that although I love my country I don’t love many fellow-countrymen. (For instance, I don’t like Tom Flynn, just to give you one example of a prominent secular humanist.)
What tf could be wrong according to you with a philosophy of life that demands that we take care of fellow human beings, rather than of some imaginary gods, thousands of whom have been invented by human morons! Tell me: what could be wrong with this? A bona fide secular humanist is against war, violence, racism and whatever evil humans are capable of. You want to pray to a Flying Spaghetti? Fine, but leave secular humanism alone.
Check out this Monkey Werx post on the Chinese balloon. It’s enlightening.
https://www.youtube.com/live/KwhPPIFHJCg?feature=share
Whatever else one may say about it, Hersh’s article has caught worldwide attention and brought the incident out if the shadows and back into the spotlight. My Inbox says everybody’s suddenly back on the case.
Hersh’s detailed storyline made all the difference. Giving readers a compelling picture of “how it was done” and the roles of some of the prominent personalities involved turns what was an assumption, or at best a hypothesis into a reality that the public can follow and internalize.
Humans live through narratives, and raw facts don’t become part of “reality” until/unless they’re placed within a plausible context. Hersh’s great contribution is to supply such a narrative. The world now “knows” that the US is the guilty party in a way that it did not know it before.
News Flash: The New York Times had a very bad week!
https://bruceohara.substack.com/p/reality-bites-be7
It’s not the first time the USA sabotaged gas pipelines. The only difference is that in the past, people who did it kept their mouths shut for 20 years, but now they’re so proud of their corrupt criminality, they literally burst with pride and want the world to know asap.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2004/02/27/reagan-approved-plan-to-sabotage-soviets/a9184eff-47fd-402e-beb2-63970851e130/
So Larry, help me out here, as I put my credibility on the line linking wider to your article here. According to various reports seismic detection of the explosion occurred at 2:03 (CEST), that is 12:03 (UTC). Yet, the Monkey Wrench video has the P-8 Poseidon it is tracking over the explosion site at 3:45-3:50 in the time stated in green. (I assume either CEST or UTC, not exactly clear which.) Is this discrepancy easily explained? What part of Sy Hersh’s report is confirmed by this plane arriving 2-4 hours after the explosion? Until you answer, I am left hanging.
The time doesn’t add up in the video linked at
https://sonar21.com/independent-evidence-confirms-key-part-of-sy-hershs-report-on-the-attack-on-nord-stream-2/
According to the original source (quoted below) and all Wikipedia entries, the first explosion was at 02:03 local time (Central European Summer Time), which is 00:03 UTC, since in Denmark until October there is summer time (UTC+2). Hence:
2022-09-26 02:03 Europe/Copenhagen (+02:00) = 2022-09-26 00:03 UTC (+00:00)
But in the video the plane enters the area marked with the green rectangle not before 00:48 UTC, which is 45 minutes later.
This rules out the plane in the video as initiating cause unless the sonar buoy mentioned by Seymour Hersh works over large distances or the UTC display is incorrect.
Maybe the plane was there just to check the results.
Others have pointed out the time discrepancy, too. See:
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpBZr9cTlC0, comments by Johan Galician
– https://sonar21.com/independent-evidence-confirms-key-part-of-sy-hershs-report-on-the-attack-on-nord-stream-2/#comment-114110
In an article on German RT, Dagmar Henn points out that sound easily spreads hundreds of kilometers under water.
Then a sonar buoy might have been dropped by this plane long before it entered the area.
Quotes:
“GEUS har registreret rystelser i Østersøen
27-09-2022
Nyhed
GEUS har registreret to rystelser i Østersøen henholdsvis natten til mandag d. 26. september kl. 02.03 og mandag d. 26. september kl. 19.03, begge dansk sommertid. Tidspunkterne og lokationerne passer med gaslækagerne fra Nord Stream 1 og 2.”
https://www.geus.dk/om-geus/nyheder/nyhedsarkiv/2022/sep/seismologi (February 10, 2023)
“Die Zündung der Sprengsätze soll durch eine akustische Boje erfolgt sein, die eine Folge niederfrequenter Töne abgegeben haben soll, die sich von den üblichen Hintergrundgeräuschen klar unterscheiden müssen. Dutzende von Mikrofonen, die in der Ostsee hängen, müssten diese Signale im entsprechenden Zeitraum aufgezeichnet haben, denn Schall breitet sich unter Wasser gut über Hunderte von Kilometern aus. ”
https://de.rt.com/meinung/162451-seymour-hersh-sprengte-grabstein-ueber/ (February 10, 2023)
Thx. I wish these postings and links were better vetted before publication, or at least provided with a warning that the report has not been fact-checked or verified. I made a fool of myself linking to this posting, and haven’t seen any follow-up or corrections yet.
Larry: I’m unable to view videos, so I can’t compare the following — same basic story — from FlightRadar site.
Is this the *same* P-8?:
“US Surveillance Aircraft Monitored Results of Explosions at Nord Stream Pipelines in September”
https://sputniknews.com/20230209/us-surveillance-aircraft-monitored-results-of-explosions-at-nord-stream-pipelines-in-september-1107283974.html
Do you have another link? Sputniknews is blocked in a number of countries.
No alternate link I know of yet, but here’s the text of the article:
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – A US P-8A Poseidon reconnaissance aircraft monitored the aftermath of the explosion at the Nord Stream pipelines in the Baltic Sea in the early hours of September 26, according to Flightradar24.
The Flightradar24 flight archive has no data on the Norwegian aircraft that may have dropped the buoy, as it apparently flew with the turned-off transponder. However, according to the resource, a US P-8A Poseidon reconnaissance aircraft arrived in the area of the incident exactly one hour after the explosion.
According to the source, the US plane flew from the Atlantic to Bornholm Island after passing over Denmark. Then, the aircraft refueled over Poland from the KS-135R refueling plane.
After the refueling, the US aircraft returned to Bornholm and, at about 04:45 Summer European Time (02:45 GMT), made a full circle exactly over the explosion area and started to descend. Turning to the right and moving away from the scene, the plane gradually descended from an altitude of 7,300 meters to 2,200 meters and then disappeared from the radar after switching off the transponder.
Igor Korotchenko, the head of the Centre for Analysis of World Arms Trade, has told Sputnik that the flight path of the aircraft on Flightradar24 supports the investigation of Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh on the blowing up of the Nord Stream pipelines.
“Taking into account that the route of American P-8A Poseidon was calculated with refueling over Poland and it was necessary to synchronize all these moments, we can say that its arrival at the given time — immediately after the attack — indicates the scheduled flight and, therefore, is another confirmation of the version put forward by American journalist Hersh of the reasons and circumstances of the attack,” Korotchenko said.
“This once again proves the involvement of official US government agencies in this sabotage.”
He added that the aircraft recorded the release of gas from the destroyed pipelines and monitored the area for the presence of ships and submarines that could theoretically be there and witness what had happened. …
[The omitted ending paragraphs are just rehash of Sy’s article’s appearance and brief synopsis of its substance.]
Thx. Not a confirmation though of the Monkeywerx report. Remains disappointing the validity inferred.
Donald Trump says “we will have to do something about that pipeline” in NATO meeting:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwkdmwui3k
So doesn’t matter who is in office, Republic or Democrat, cause you still get the same old oligarchs.
This same NATO meeting shows why NATO needs to be abolished, because NATO isn’t there to protect the EU from Russia, it’s there to protect American interest and bully the EU.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpwkdmwui3k
http://johnhelmer.net/whats-wrong-with-the-hersh-report-on-the-nord-stream-attacks/
(…hmm…)
I read John Helmer’s report that Mikhail mentions above. There are more questions than answers in comparing the two reports. I wonder if Hersch is being given more credibility than he deserves? It’s not as if he has always been right, eg the Bin Laden story.
Seems to me we need to be careful here. Helmer says the UK has a lot more to do with it.
Sy’s sourcing is impeccable. He does not do speculation.
Seymour Hersh has a serious problem that stems from the excellence of his journalism: every man and his dog have a vested interest in feeding him some BS.
They do so either to smear the target of their misinformation, or to smear the credibility of Hersh himself.
He wasn’t born yesterday. He knows that people with an axe to grind will attempt to use his credibility as the grindstone.
Hersh uses multiple sources. He is “old school” in that respect. He does not speculate. Where his sources speculate he is careful to point that out. Where his sources speak authoritatively then he likewise points this out.
He is, indeed, a very, very, very good investigative journalist.
But not perfect.
Nobody is perfect. If there is a concerted/organized effort to deceive him then that may, indeed, be successful.
Because – obviously – if there is a concerted effort by an organization to deceive him then he will receive multiple “confirmation” from multiple sources, all BSing him.
In the case of the Bin Laden story you refer to, that is exactly what I believed happened: an organized effort was made to deceive Hersh, with multiple sources ensuring that their misinformation was “confirmed” to him.
But in this case I can’t really see who could have done that.
Who, exactly, has
(a) an axe to grind and
(b) can present themselves to Hersh as credible and reliable source(s)?
It can’t be just one person: Hersh will not publish on the say-so of a single source.
It has to be a number of sources all “independently” confirming the same misinformation.
Unlikely. To the point of stretching credibility to breaking point.
What is your basis for concluding, “UNLIKELY?”
Just speaking hypothetically, I believe it is possible for an American three-letter-agency to stitch up Seymour Hersh.
They could use multiple individuals to “independently” confirm the details of a story to him, and he may not be able to determine that he is being played.
That is possible, but it would require enormous effort to trick someone as experienced as Hersh.
But in *this* situation the story is of a nature that makes it unlikely that a three-letter-agency is involved, for the simple reason that it is not in their interests for this story to appear.
Maybe inter-agency rivalry. Maybe. But that really is stretching credibility.
As for foreign (ahem, Russian) intelligence agencies attempting to feed false information to Hersh, well, that’s just not possible.
His sources are within the US government, so it would involve the mother of all false-flag operations for the Russians to play him in such a matter.
So I am firmly of the opinion that it is “unlikely” that Hersh has his facts wrong.
As in: using “unlikely” as a polite way of saying “bullshit”.
The simplest explanation is much more likely to be the case: important people within this Administration are appalled by the antics of the Clown Car of Biden, Sullivan, Blinken and Nuland and have told Seymour Hersh how that Clown Car went Honk! Honk! and blew up those pipelines.
I think we need to put the brakes on Hersh’s interpretation. Here is another look by John Helmer.
Gas:
https://abeldanger.blogspot.com/2023/02/gas.html
Bullshit. Helmer is talking out of his ass. Sy had multiple sources. I have received independent confirmation from a former colleague.
Yes, the Helmer critique of Sy was lame. For a guy who makes his living writing off events in Russia, he has chutzpah to say that Sy & his supporters were making a good living writing bs reports. Helmer used the same technique against Sy that his critics use against him. Just because Sy may report the opinions or judgements of his sources, or the views of the US or Russia for that matter, doesn’t mean Sy approves or shares those opinions or judgements. What counts is the veracity of his narratives. Who is better at it?
I read Helmer’s article, and he makes a big song and dance about Hersh only using a single source for his article.
That is nonsense. It would require Hersh to make the most elementary of journalistic errors.
It is credible to about the same level as me waking up in the morning and forgetting to put my glasses on, or you putting your running shoes on the wrong feet.
All are theoretically possible, but we’d have to be living in whacky-world for any of them to actually take place.
The problem stems from the way Hersh refers to his source(s).
S/He is introduced as “a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning”, but from there onwards s/he’s referred to only as “the source” (13x). There is never a mention of “a second source” or “another source”, or anything similar.
The natural implication is that all the “the source(s)” is the same person. Helmer is, however, stretching that to mean that everything emanated from a single source and no other, whereas Hersh may simply have left his secondary sources un-cited.
That said, what struck me on reading Hersh’s report is the excess of overly rich detail. As ever, the devil’s in the details and Hersh would have been well advised to limit them to the strictly necessary. As it is, they contain a number of technical and procedural implausibilities, non-sequiturs and contradictions. To the extent that his critics focus on those, they have a case.
Mike Whitney wrote a hair-splitting artcle against Sy’s report. Got called out on it by a lot of comments, too. Mike Whitney seems to be still, a deep-state true believer. Something about Sy Hersh’s report sure put a burr in his saddle.
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/what-hersh-got-wrong/
Independent confirmation makes it impossible to deny the basic facts in Seymour Hersh’s report “How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline” at
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
1. Larry C. Johnson received independent confirmation from a former CIA colleague that the CIA maritime branch located at the site mentioned by Seymour Hersh was involved.
– Larry C. Johnson, minute 6:11: https://sonar21.com/my-recent-podcast-interviews-with-el-nino-and-emerald-robinson/
2. A whistleblower involved in the military exercise had reported unusual activities which match the Hersh report (civilian divers with special equipment not fitted for the task officially announced during the military exercise) to John Mark Dougan on Oct. 2, 2022, who forwarded the email to his German colleague Thomas Röper (Anti-Spiegel) on Oct. 4, 2022.
– original video from Oct. 4, 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c0jvJWqf10&t=3009s
– recap on Feb. 9, 2023: https://www.youtube.com/live/sd908X8cuzg?feature=share&t=3416
– German article confirming receipt of forwarded whistleblower email on Oct. 4, 2022: https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2023/was-ein-whistleblower-mir-schon-im-2022-ueber-die-nord-stream-sprengung-mitgeteilt-hat/
– automated English translation: https://www-anti–spiegel-ru.translate.goog/2023/was-ein-whistleblower-mir-schon-im-2022-ueber-die-nord-stream-sprengung-mitgeteilt-hat/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
3. According to those acquainted with Hersh’s methodology, most likely Hersh had multiple sources but obfuscated this in order to protect his sources.
– https://sonar21.com/independent-evidence-confirms-key-part-of-sy-hershs-report-on-the-attack-on-nord-stream-2/#comment-114242
The flight path video confirms Seymour Hersh’s report:
– Larry C. Johnson: https://sonar21.com/independent-evidence-confirms-key-part-of-sy-hershs-report-on-the-attack-on-nord-stream-2/
– YouTube: https://youtu.be/YpBZr9cTlC0
– Odysee backup: https://odysee.com/@geopol:a/nordstream:1c
Although the UTC time stamp shows that this plane arrived only about one hour after the first explosion, the suspicious circumstances strongly suggest that it has some role:
“The Flightradar24 flight archive has no data on the Norwegian aircraft that may have dropped the buoy, as it apparently flew with the turned-off transponder. However, according to the resource, a US P-8A Poseidon reconnaissance aircraft arrived in the area of the incident exactly one hour after the explosion.
[…]
Igor Korotchenko, the head of the Centre for Analysis of World Arms Trade, has told Sputnik that the flight path of the aircraft on Flightradar24 supports the investigation of Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh on the blowing up of the Nord Stream pipelines.
“Taking into account that the route of American P-8A Poseidon was calculated with refueling over Poland and it was necessary to synchronize all these moments, we can say that its arrival at the given time — immediately after the attack — indicates the scheduled flight and, therefore, is another confirmation of the version put forward by American journalist Hersh of the reasons and circumstances of the attack,” Korotchenko said.”
(Full text below.)
In any case it is obvious that the U.S. are behind this.
Only a state actor is capable of doing this.
Germany and Russia have no interest in sabotaging their own project benefitting themselves, any third party (outside of NATO, for example India or China) has no interest in an act of war against Germany and Russia, leaving NATO as the only possibility meaning that the sabotage act was at least greenlighted by Washington, which therefore carries full responsibility.
Some further interesting webpages on this:
The Duran: Did you order the Code Red? You’re damn right I did! (Jan. 27, 2023)
https://youtu.be/o6jHVsA3pw8?t=2110
Douglas Macgregor: The Russians did not do this (Sep. 29, 2022)
https://www.youtube.com/live/6ZSfz4N9GMM?t=814
Moon of Alabama: Some Small Corrections To Seymour Hersh’s New Nord Stream Revelations (Feb. 9, 2023)
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/02/some-small-corrections-to-seymour-hershs-new-nord-stream-revelations.html
Mathias Broeckers: Pipelinesprengen unter Freunden … das geht gar nicht (Blowing up pipelines among friends … is unacceptable) (29.09.2022)
https://www.broeckers.com/2022/09/29/notizen-vom-ende-der-unipolaren-welt-52/
Garland Nixon speculates that there is a group in the Pentagon that opposes the current neocon policy and therefore leaked the information to Seymour Hersh, and believes that further strikes from this Pentagon group against the neocon group around Biden are to be expected: https://www.youtube.com/live/5gk0bWZK1eU?t=2510
The rest of the world will be disgusted by this U.S. action.
The interesting question is how the reactions within the USA and Germany will look like.
Larry C. Johnson is fascinated by Europe’s silence (“complete shutdown of this story in Europe, in particularly in Germany”) about this sabotage act, comparing it with the old Soviet Union’s complete control on media, “we reversed roles”: https://sonar21.com/my-recent-podcast-interviews-with-el-nino-and-emerald-robinson/ (7:56)
Larry C. Johnson: “The corporate control of media is probably one of the biggest threats to this republic in our lifetimes.”
Nevertheless, they still have to maintain the democratic facade, and in the times of internet censorship is technologically very difficult.
So there will be a delay only.
Garland Nixon: “because of the nature of their grip on the media […] it’s going to be a while before maybe we see the outcome of this”: https://www.youtube.com/live/5gk0bWZK1eU?t=2827
In Germany mainstream media (ARD, ZDF, Spiegel, Deutschlandfunk, FAZ, SZ, etc.) are, as expected, in full denial mode, but they cannot suppress the name Seymour Hersh completely.
It’s just a matter of time until the story will be accepted worldwide (rather weeks or months than years) and find their way back to Europe/USA.
The current German government’s record is already very bad, with not only a blasted pipeline where it has to look away and being trapped by its neighboring countries and USA into delivering tanks against Russia, but also industry being taken away by the U.S.
In the U.S. the question is whether democracy is strong enough to draw the consequences from the unconstitutional act of committing an act of war while bypassing the congress.
The malfunction of U.S. and NATO corporate media might be compensated by the internet.
From https://sputniknews.com/20230209/us-surveillance-aircraft-monitored-results-of-explosions-at-nord-stream-pipelines-in-september-1107283974.html (February 12, 2023):
US Surveillance Aircraft Monitored Results of Explosions at Nord Stream Pipelines in September
23:48 GMT 09.02.2023
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – A US P-8A Poseidon reconnaissance aircraft monitored the aftermath of the explosion at the Nord Stream pipelines in the Baltic Sea in the early hours of September 26, according to Flightradar24.
The Flightradar24 flight archive has no data on the Norwegian aircraft that may have dropped the buoy, as it apparently flew with the turned-off transponder. However, according to the resource, a US P-8A Poseidon reconnaissance aircraft arrived in the area of the incident exactly one hour after the explosion.
According to the source, the US plane flew from the Atlantic to Bornholm Island after passing over Denmark. Then, the aircraft refueled over Poland from the KS-135R refueling plane.
After the refueling, the US aircraft returned to Bornholm and, at about 04:45 Summer European Time (02:45 GMT), made a full circle exactly over the explosion area and started to descend. Turning to the right and moving away from the scene, the plane gradually descended from an altitude of 7,300 meters to 2,200 meters and then disappeared from the radar after switching off the transponder.
Igor Korotchenko, the head of the Centre for Analysis of World Arms Trade, has told Sputnik that the flight path of the aircraft on Flightradar24 supports the investigation of Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh on the blowing up of the Nord Stream pipelines.
“Taking into account that the route of American P-8A Poseidon was calculated with refueling over Poland and it was necessary to synchronize all these moments, we can say that its arrival at the given time — immediately after the attack — indicates the scheduled flight and, therefore, is another confirmation of the version put forward by American journalist Hersh of the reasons and circumstances of the attack,” Korotchenko said.
“This once again proves the involvement of official US government agencies in this sabotage.”
He added that the aircraft recorded the release of gas from the destroyed pipelines and monitored the area for the presence of ships and submarines that could theoretically be there and witness what had happened.
On Wednesday, Hersh wrote an investigative piece describing in detail how US deep-water divers planted explosives under three of Russia’s four Nord Stream pipelines. Hersh wrote, based on insider information from sources in the know, that the US detonated the explosives remotely on September 26, 2022, on the order of President Joe Biden.
Hersh reported that the explosives were planted during a NATO Baltic Sea exercise last summer and cited a source with direct knowledge of the US operational planning as saying that Norway played a key role in helping the United States organize the attack and keep the Swedish and Danish navies in the dark.
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I see almost every point you make as an alternative to, rather than corroborative of corresponding points in Hersh’s story. That some combination of the US and NATO allies did it had been assumed by almost every alt-media pundit and analyst since the first gas bubble photos showed up on the internet. Since then, the only interesting questions have been “How?” and “Who, exactly?”. Hersh’s title claims that the article will answer those questions.
The problem is that it doesn’t. Beyond confirming that the US was the prime mover and fingering Norway as the accomplice, the entirety of Hersh’s answer to “How?” makes little sense and/or flies in the face of other evidence.
EG: Your point 2.
I also cited Dougan’s whistleblower account (above), but in support of the opposite view. The whistleblower explicitly says that the divers looked like “terrorists”, and were managed by a group of civilians, arriving/departing on 2 separate helicopters on their own schedule. USN & NATO divers were all over BALTOPS 22, and these guys’ appearance, behaviour and mission stood out as having nothing to do with any official military or the exercise.
IOW, the whistleblower’s account speaks to a “Black Op”, planned and executed by “off the books” operatives rather than anything planned in official circles and executed by US official personnel.
A comprehensive critique of Hersh’s article is inappropriate here, but there’s many other points like the one above that don’t quite fit. Taken all-in-all, Hersh’s answer to “How?” reads more like a “what didn’t happen”.
That said, somebody wants Hersh’s answer out there. Obviously, the leaker(s) wanted to bring the event back into the spotlight and to frame the ensuing debate. The question now is “To what end(s)?”.
You can ask the Swedish government.
They have investigated the area and have the answer, but have chosen to close the lid on the grounds that this is about so-called “national security”.
The video does not *confirm* or refute Hersh’s source. The time in the video is UTC.
First explosion was at 00:03 UTC = 02:03 CEST
The video started after explosion at 00:46 UTC = 02:46 CEST and over NS at 01:08 UTC = 03:08 CEST
Oh, ah, the time, that’s the point. have to check what you are writing. But if the airplane was at crime site 1 after the explosion, the story is a very different one !
but how do you know about UTC & CEST ?
OK, this was the most impotant commernt.
” 12 February 2023 at 12:58
The video does not *confirm* or refute Hersh’s source. The time in the video is UTC.
First explosion was at 00:03 UTC = 02:03 CEST
The video started after explosion at 00:46 UTC = 02:46 CEST and over NS at 01:08 UTC = 03:08 CEST ”
but the video shows 2:08 UTC = 4:08 CEST, two hours late.
The airplane’s mission was, to verify explosion 1 of team Biden and to start terror act 2 of team 2 to destroy NS-1 as well. Team Biden did not destray NS-1. And here is the bigger picture:
https://zivilist.substack.com/p/hershs-mising-half-of-northstream
This P-8 is not coming from Narvik, but from Lossiemouth in Scotland, so it’s british !
we were all idiots, it’s so clear !
https://zivilist.substack.com/p/northstream-1-was-destroyed-by-a
we were all idiots, it’s so simple
https://zivilist.substack.com/p/northstream-1-was-destroyed-by-a