Blame my crazy sister. She lives in her own, sheltered world. She graduated from high school in the middle of the pack and has done nothing since then to acquire a genuine education. Instead, she is part of the gullible crowd that is easily snagged by the fraudsters that populate the internet. So this is the message that greeted me this morning.
My question to you is why were you used on national TV to spread lies. I hope you will admit that 911 was an inside job. You still have time to repent.
From My Idiot Sister
Needless to say, I was provoked. My response to her means I have a lot more repenting to do. Anyway, I do have some solid knowledge about what took place on 9-11 at the Pentagon. The deceased General Stubblebine is fundamentally and factually wrong. The dude failed to understand what a concrete/block wall does to a jet airliner traveling over 300 miles per hour.
I was at Washington’s Reagan National Airport on the morning of 11 September 2001 getting ready to board a flight at 10am for La Guardia. I was headed to Long Island to play in a DEA charity golf tournament. I was in standing in front of a urinal at the airport when I first heard a plane had hit the World Trade Center. I quickly finished my business and darted down the hall to see what was on the TV in the bar. Within seconds of arriving at the bar I saw the second plane smash into the South Tower. I knew at that moment that golf was out of the question.
Within minutes my phone went off. It was one of Katie Couric’s producers at the Today Show. She said, “Katie wants you on the air.” I went downstairs to baggage claim and jumped on a hard-wired pay phone (I guess that makes me an antique). The time was 9:34 am eastern daylight time.
Shortly after I hung up the phone a voice over the airport intercom announced the airport was closed and asked everyone to leave asap. I trudged back to the parking garage with my golf bag in tow and looked north towards the Pentagon, a pillar of black smoke was boiling up into the sky and heading south towards National Airport. I picked up two frantic souls who were trying to get a taxi and took them to Bethesda, Maryland.
I will be succinct and to the point — American Airlines flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. How do I know? My partners (both former DEA) and I were at DEA Headquarters the following week for a meeting with the Director of Intelligence. DEA Headquarters sits Southeast of the Pentagon. The Pentagon’s West side is completely visible from the 7th floor of DEA. We spoke with three of the guys who were watching TV while looking towards the Pentagon and they saw the plane fly by them.
So this was never a question for me. Guys I knew and trusted, who had no motive to lie, saw what they saw. But that makes no difference to my dim-witted sister. She’s seen someone on the internet insist there was no plane and it must be true because, you see, it was on the internet.
My next move was to share some photographic evidence of some of the plane’s wreckage:
Nope. Still not good enough for my sister. Maybe a video will do the trick? You can see plane wreckage and get an appreciation of how the plane disintegrated under the force of the impact.
Strike three. Personal testimony, photographic and video evidence, cannot penetrate her occluded noggin. What about the passengers on flight 77 and the actual plane? Her response, “The Government got rid of them!”
Right. The very same U.S. Government that failed to plan for the aftermath of the Iraq invasion in 2003, that failed after 20 years to rein in the Taliban, and is no longer able to supply Ukraine with a minimal number of artillery shells, is able to pull off a massive conspiracy and keep it quiet 22 years later? Sorry, I do not believe in fairy tales. The failure of the United States to stop the terrorist attacks on 9-11 was a combination of incompetence and a sclerotic bureaucracy. The cover up in the wake of the destroyed buildings and dead thousands was quintessential Washington — avoid blame, create more bureaucracy and find a nice shiny object, like invading Iraq, to distract the public. That’s my take.
UPDATE — This was so obvious that I forgot to include it. I-395 runs in a NW to SE direction on the south side of the Pentagon. It is an eight lane highway and filled every morning with at least a thousand commuters. It was bumper to bumper on the morning of 9-11. NOT ONE OF THOSE DRIVERS/COMMUTERS SAW A MISSILE HIT THE PENTAGON. NOT ONE. I CHALLENGE ANY OF YOU CONSPIRACY THEORISTS TO FIND ME ONE NEWS REPORT FROM THE DC AREA THAT AIRED DURING THE SUCCEEDING TWO WEEKS AFTER THE ATTACK THAT CHALLENGED THE REPORT THAT A PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON. JUST ONE. YOU WON’T FIND IT BECAUSE IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
Larry I do believe there’s a good chance our Intel/Fbi and other black ops groups knew these guys (jihadis) meant business. I firmly believe these groups know and perhaps even provoke a lot of mass murder we see play out everyday. Some of the mass shooters come to mind. I would bet for everyone of the Adam Lanza’s there’s a few shadowy characters communicating with them behind the scenes. I didn’t believe my government capable of such atrocities but after covid and Ukraine it would not surprise me at all.
That being said would like to make a suggestion to some on the right. We really shouldn’t make accusing us of nonsensical thought easy for our government. I do not believe the buildings were blown up or there were any missiles involved that day. People talk about controlled demolition and I say to them how long do you think it takes to rig up just one tower for such an event? Now imaging doing it to the other tower and of course infamous #7. Starting to get comical because I know nothing about explosives or that kind of demolition. Now think about having to pull it off in complete secrecy. And that would be impossible!
Sure they could have parked Uhauls all over the parking garage next to all the main supports. Then blow the entire ground floor into non existence but those are not the kind of collapses we saw that fateful day. Truth is it would have taken a small army to plant all of those charges in order to pull that shit off. Again, now imagine the OPSEC involved in something like that.
I can tell you the thought of them actually being able to carry something like that is the ultimate black pill. If we are going people that good we are in a heap of shit. Honestly we shouldn’t give them too much credit. When we have nations like China or men like Elon driving them crazy it should be encouraged; not frowned upon because Musk likes brain chips. I’m a pragmatist and I wince sometimes at the purists and their utter demand for perfection as if they hold all the cards.
So there’s my 9-11 rant. If there are guys who know what they’re talking about (explosion demos), I unlike the left, am not impervious to facts. However I urge you to consider what seems like to me an impossible task.
Have you ever worked in an intelligence organization?
I work in DoD. There is some intelligence in my organization, but it’s not pervasive. We have our fair share of cud-chewers and affirmative action hires. I just know that different skin colors, religions, and sexual preferences (duh-versity) makes us stronger. And someday I will see that strength. Someday….
There’s no fucking way someone could have pulled this off times 3. I have a family member who thinks similarly. When he starts reaching for the tinfoil hat, I give my wife the sign that it’s time to pull the yellow handle. Thank God holidays only come around once a year.
If you work in DOD the level of know how out of there is amateur if Ukraine is any example. Why would anyone heed them after Iraq and Afghanistan. Not to mention the rusty tin cans they have been hurling against the Russians. As long as the paychecks get fatter that’s all they care. Anyway they probably take orders from the State Department psychotics.
No sir I have not. Just going with what I see. I remember the movie from Michael Moore about 911 and didn’t think it made sense then and I just can’t now. It seems like it would be a monumental feat just to keep everyone quiet. I am also assuming it would take a rather large team to pull it off. Way too many loose ends and not enough rope.
I know we have learned so much since then. 20 years ago it was the right that had more trust in our institutions especially in Intel and military. I never will again. I am a bit ashamed at the way I was played. It’s not so funny to hate on the Muslims now that I have become public enemy number one.
It was a monumental feat to keep the JFK crowd quiet but they did.
so a gun or maybe two guns, (and plenty of leaks) is the same thing as a commercial aircraft, 5-10 tons of high explosives, 10-20 tons of fuses. Ukraine can use your logistical genius. Go help them.
I think you’re being harsh on your sister, Larry.
The question I always ask is did anyone ever find any pieces of wing on the streets and buildings below the two towers. Those two buildings had exoskeletons of box girders claimed to withstand the impact of 707s or 727s. The planes allegedly involved were a 757 and a 767, somewhat larger than a 707. The wings did not penetrate the buildings’ exoskeletons. Logically, either the wings ended up on the streets/buildings below or there were no planes.
I am open to the possibility that wing shrapnel was found below. Can you or anyone here say yes it was? To date, no-one has ever answered yes.
The film of the second airplane shows the wings slicing through the exterior structure.
And the towers fell exactly as how a structural engineer would expect, pancaking because the overwhelming force in downwards.
Well, I’m a physicist and not a structural engineer, but what “overwhelming force in downwards” are you talking about? And what force caused the corresponding collapse of WTC7?
I love the part when the wing cuts through the steel carrier und leaves a Wiley Coyote like imprint. Right out of Hollywood.
If you slow down the footage by toggling you will see that the plane or whatever was halfway in before one spark flew. Also if you slow down the footage and observe the sides of the building you will see the squibs exploding at various parts. Could be another coinkydink.
Also FBI Agent John O’Neill started his new job in his new office that day, and by coinkydink he was manning noise about something going down.
Don’t think that the FBI is above depravity. They are violent flying monkeys. Look what they and their hoodlum secret club friends did to Ofr. Terry Yeakey who was figuring out the OKC atrocity. And they still never did figure out whatever happened to JFK even though the rest of us at the very least disbelieve the official alibi even as they keep pushing the LHO cover story. Did they ever hear of Dorothy Kilgallan or Jim Garrison? But they did launch a violent raid on some prolife family in the middle of the night because the father got into a minor scuffle with a counter protester who went after his son. The local police could have just set him up or arrested him for something. Nice to know they have their priorities straight. At least we know for sure they don’t work for us, even though we are stuck issuing their welfare checks while they fabricate stories on political opponents and then stick the taxpayers with more bills. They are a clean disgrace and should be put out to pasture.
If you or I plot to overthrow the government, it’s a conspiracy. If the government does it, it’s just policy, or politics.
All that it takes to make anything happen, are two things.
1. A big pile of money.
2. The ability to bully, manipulate and bribe people into doing whatever you want.
Thus the real conspiracy in the JFK assassination; “Who put Oswald up to it?
The 911 incident was just another possible case of criminal negligence, laxity caused by arrogance and a supercilious attitude towards Muslim insurgents, gross incompetence, or a black propaganda stunt.
Take your pick. Your guess is as good as mine.
wasn’t the airspace over the Pentagon a no fly zone prior to and upto 9/11?
how is it that a Boeing 757, same size a Trump Force One, got into that airspace without being intercepted? We are talking about THE building that runs our national defense!?!
If no one in that bumper to bumper traffic didn’t see a missle are there any interviews of all of those people sitting in those cars giving their account to the media of seeing a 757 flying at a nose dive straight into the Pentagon. I believe those planes have some decent size landing gear. Crazy all of that disintegrated.. tail, wings, engines out of a 155FT long plane..
We see a perfect hole on the side of Pentagon but you’d think then that the wings would have made damage to the building as well or get clipped off outside by the walls of the building..I guess when fully fueled up and at the speed and trajectory it is possible the plane itself was like a missle..the entire plane disappeared in the building..
Intelligence – Yes, Intelligent – No!
Larry have you read this report ? If so how do you explain this study?
A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7
This is a study of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) — a 47-story building that suffered a total collapse at 5:20 PM on September 11, 2001, following the horrible events of that morning. The objective of the study was threefold: (1) Examine the structural response of WTC 7 to fire loads that may have occurred on September 11, 2001; (2) Rule out scenarios that could not have caused the observed collapse; and (3) Identify types of failures and their locations that may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.
The UAF research team utilized three approaches for examining the structural response of WTC 7 to the conditions that may have occurred on September 11, 2001. First, we simulated the local structural response to fire loading that may have occurred below Floor 13, where most of the fires in WTC 7 are reported to have occurred. Second, we supplemented our own simulation by examining the collapse initiation hypothesis developed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Third, we simulated a number of scenarios within the overall structural system in order to determine what types of local failures and their locations may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.
The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.
https://ine.uaf.edu/projects/wtc7/
Did my first comment offend you Larry since you have not posted it?
Larry like my first comment which you have refused to post, I suspect you will not post this one either. Nevertheless, I write this more to yourself than to your audience of readers, with the hope it might make you take a good hard, long-overdue look at yourself in view of your latest post titled ‘I Wasn’t Going to Comment on the 9-11 Attacks, But . . . (UPDATE)’
Your position on 9/11 is truly confounding given the tomes of evidence from top engineers, scientists and retired military pilots and explosive experts in America and around the world that the official story is bunk.
You beliefs about 9/11 are no less disturbing than all those people who for so many years were persuaded to deny their own eye sight of filmed events and to believe the official narrative put forth about JFK assassination that was perpetrated by same Deep State criminal gang, a branch of which you once worked for in your days of blissful ignorance and flag-waving patriotism that you seem unable to have shaken off.
Yet you keep falling back on the fact that having once worked for CIA that somehow confers on you some superior ability to ‘discern and know the truth’; although what you put forth as the truth is pure nonsense with respect to 9/11, which begs a whole lot of other questions I will not labour here but which should be obvious to any thinking person.
I guess one of the prerequisites for being employed by CIA when you were hired is much the same as today in terms of psychological profiles and recruiting only people who can attain such cognitive dissonance as to believe CIA was and still is in the business of promoting and defending freedom and democracy when everything CIA has done in America and around the world, especially in Central America where your attention was focused, was diametrically opposite to what it projected in its PR spin and deceptions.
From American Military News website
Videos: CIA releases more ‘woke’ recruitment ads – see them here
Refer:
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/05/videos-cia-releases-more-woke-recruitment-ads-see-them-here/
But what I find really disturbing is the personal attack on your sister.
Attacking your sister in such an unjustified public way is in my opinion reprehensible, regardless of what you think about 9/11 and how different your views are to your sister’s.
However, your sister is right about 9/11 whereas you are so wrong and deluded in your ‘belief system’, preferring to believe it had to be incompetence as no way could your wonderful CIA be in any way involved with other parties in having perpetrated the 9/11 false flag hoax.
Furthermore, the major theme of your posts have become rather stale as you keep going over the same old ground about Ukraine and merely relaying what many others are saying on the subject with no new insights or wider considerations of global events.
Like so many others you seem to have descended into that state of being more concerned about promoting yourself as the ‘go to ex CIA expert’ on all matters to do with the spread of American totalitarian neoliberal mind-numbing puke rather doing some more in-depth analysis that might shed light on the whys and wherefores.
Well Kudos to you Larry for posting that comment of mine which I never expected. That is deserving of me buying you a few coffees or equivalent dollar contribution.
Which leaves me wondering why you refused to publish my first comment. Perhaps it was due to my first comment being a long one and at position to your first response to the first comment? If that might have been the case then shift it down a little further in the comments.
May I suggest also you give your sister opportunity to make reply post in answer to your post. Or if you and her were willing then you could even set up YouTube discussion with agreement to have strictly observed rules such as 1) no name calling or attributing labels of ‘idiot’ or ‘stupid’ and 2) to allow each other to speak and make your points without interruption. I think that would be huge; and I bet would result in great numbers of views. It could also serve as an example of how people with dramatically opposing positions can at least hear the other side and debate the issues like adults. You could even run online poll on how the audience perceives the truth of the matter – like George Galloway does on his MOATS shows. Perhaps George Galloway might even agree to be host mediator of such a debate on his show?
Coming back to CIA and how it operates – and has always operated, even if many of the mid-tier and lower-level employees have been totally oblivious to the actual inner workings at the top level of CIA and its MK Ultra type mind control deception and Mockingbird MSM control of what is passed off as the truth.
Here is latest revelations coming out about CIA corruption of truth:
CIA tried to pay off analysts to bury findings that COVID lab leak was likely: whistleblower
12 September 2023
Refer:
https://nypost.com/2023/09/12/cia-tried-to-pay-off-analysts-to-bury-covid-lab-leak-findings-whistleblower/
On subject of Covid – I have exhaustively researched its origins (far too much to try and post here) and the links to active involvement in the ‘creation’ of Covid coronavirus by major players inside highest levels of American academic research establishments and government institutions and their active participation and funding of same with partners in Wuhan Lab. The evidence as to the deception propagated by the officially-sanctioned narrative is overwhelmingly undeniable, no less so than is the case with 9/11 events.
Let’s hope the truth comes out and is not brushed over with the usual white wash techniques pretending to be real inquiry / investigation.
I am amazed at how three people that I respect and follow , Larry, Scott R. and Mc Gregor, have this blind spot, may be is due to some secret mode of brain washing that prevents them from seeing the evidence, which is a lot more convincing in NY…
Most of us have not worked for an “intelligence organization”, but that doesn’t mean we are all idiots. But simple logic can reveal much.
1) The steel-and-concrete boxed spine that runs up the middle of most super-skyscrapers including the Twin Towers is like trying to crush a straw or even toilet paper roll from the ends, or crush an egg end-wise. Harder than it seems at first glance, nearly impossible with the egg. But perforate them in rings around the circumference and gee, that’s easy now.
2) No other structure of this type anywhere has ever pancaked into its own basement so completely except BY controlled demolition… this was indeed an “exceptional” incident.
3) Airplane fuel burns at about 1400F, far too low to melt of cut through steel beams. All else in the building would burn at lower temps.
4) Residues of weapons grade thermite was found at the scene.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228660396_Active_Thermitic_Material_Discovered_in_Dust_from_the_911_World_Trade_Center_Catastrophe
I am surprised that the Official Narrative would apply in this case when we all know FOR A FACT that the US gov’t has lied outright on nearly everything else from Climate Change ™ to Covid to the 2008 “Debt Crisis”. Remember the Maine, to the Bay of Tonkin. To WMDs in Iraq and babies thrown from incubators.
And Ukraine.
LIES, all Lies.
But 9/11 was somehow different, there the US gov’t told the truth.
Sorry Larry, not buying it.
Addition: Why would 9/11 be such a BIG deal THIS year? It is not a “milestone” year to routinely mourn on cue (5, 10, 20, etc.) . Could it be a “look, squirrel” attempt, as the NeoCons must know the divisions it would cause in the “alternative” media space.
Just like arguing over Gonzo Lira. To quote a master of misdirection, “what difference does it make?” NONE.
Except to distract from the Ukraine/Biden debacle and the BRICS rising, especially the Saudis jumping off the US$ Reserve PetroDollar System.
The NeoCons are in PANIC mode, pulling out all the stops to get Biden, the Ukie War President, past the 2024 election. Can’t do that if the voting public gets wind of just how corrupt the US gov’t in general and the Biden/Clintons/Obamas and most of the Republican Party equally is, including the “surveillance/judicial community”. Someone has the Epstein Files, and is no doubt using them to their advantage. OH GEE, another “conspiracy theory”.
WMDs…. WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRACTION
https://twitter.com/i/status/1701199173733998724
I believe what Ray McGovern said to judge nap yesterday and I believe what you are saying here Larry , But what difference does it make (Hillary) , If it was a Plane ,Train, or speeding bullet, It was 50 min latter than the first plane hit , nothing should have come close to Washington . Let’s get out of the rabbit hole .
Larry,
I don’t often comment here. What i see is that you simply are giving everyone a piece of satire to chew on. Using your poor sister as a target. You actually do not agree with the official narrative (that Jet hit pentagon) otherwise why use such lame evidence as a few scraps of junk, metal, plywood, water soaked office supplies lined by unburned water etc… You wouldn’t in my experience reading you, use such lame evidence as “my two friends said they saw a jet” as evidence to fulfill your otherwise sharp eye to objectively assess. I think you are giving satire to allow your unthinking sychophants to out themselves. Going to another level is what I have to accept.
What about building 7?
Why did the terrorists choose a plane so early in the morning that the buildings would be largely empty? That was nice of them.
Good job the towers fell so symmetrically at the speed of gravity right into their own footprints.
What about claims of nano thermite and of molten metal?
No idea but once you lose so much trust then you don’t know what to believe.
If somebody different than the alleged perpetrators did it, surely it was not the FBI or the CIA directly involved in executing the act. Too many decent people working there. Somebody would have heard/seen something and leaked. So, I agree with you Larry that was not “an (US) intelligence organization”. That been said, it doesn’t mean the official narrative is true.
I been reading the comments and haven’t seen anything about the dancing Israelis taking pictures from New Jersey. Who upon being arrested commented “now our problems are your problems”. They were arrested all failed polygraphs. Eventually released and sent home. They later gave interviews on Israeli news explaining they were there to document the incident. How about Neten achoos initial glee upon hearing of the attack. How about PNAC. 5 countries in 7 years or was it 7 countries in 5 years. You have to get why people are skeptical. There are so many things not fully explained some of it deliberately. The 911 commission report was creative writing. False weapons of mass destruction. Etc etc. I’m not going to comment on the pentagon attack. But I was down at GZ for the clean up. This was the same MO as Pearl Harbor. Air Force shenanigans no fighters available to intercept. My finger hurts from typing. I read somewhere one man’s conspiracy theory is another’s spoiler alert. I think that’s very aporpos
Believing or knowing that attacks are imminent does not make that an inside job. As I stated quite clearly, there was sufficient info within the bowels of the intel and FBI bureaucracy. Incompetence and jealous protection of turf prevented any action from being taken. That is not conspiracy, that is the reality of a bloated USG.
Mr Johnson,
I tune in daily to read your latest piece. I respect your work.
I have seldom added any comment to your articles, simply because others invariably beat me to the point I had intended to make.
I chime in this time, because as usual, you have little hesitation to use ad hominem insults when you are challenged on some part of your related piece, always with the same little nugget to stand on.
“I am a former spook, so I know things”…
You posture as though we readers are ignorant and couldn’t possibly understand geopolitical nuances.
Because you are ex-company is a net deficit to many of us and not a postive.
That said, we all love you, and always looks forward to what you have to say.
So….echoing so many others this time, with over 340 replies at this point, and counting…
What. Happened. To. Drop. Bldg 7 ???
We’re waiting for your opinion on this as yet mysterious and unanswered question.
Still waiting….
Nothing I will say will persuade anyone who is already convinced that there was no way fire could bring down building 7. I was with a NYFD officer three weeks after 9-11. He was at Building 7 and described the fire that brought it down. It was not an explosion. But again, facts don’t matter to many on this thread.
Here are some facts:
https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
Larry, a greater mystery than what brought down the towers is why your favorite discussion partner, the judge, was so hastily and quietly removed from Fox News. And all we get from you on the topic is “move along, nothing to see here, move along now”…..
It may be a mystery to you, but what’s the point? It was reported in the press. https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/bergen/2021/08/03/judge-andrew-napolitano-fox-news-another-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/5469866001/
Larry,
No, I “HAVE NOT” worked for an intelligence agency. However, it is very well known and documented about what their capabilities are and what it is like to do so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16_6XrPlV-w&t=137s
Therefore, I have no qualms about commenting on matters like this.
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On the SERIOUS SIDE, thanks for your post. I had been tempted at times to wade into this, but I think you and Ray McGovern and VIPS would be the first to call this out if there was something there. I had the same inclination with the JFK assassination, but the amount of stuff out there made think it was intractable, until Ray steered me in the direction of “JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters” by James Douglass.
Keep up your sense of humor !!! 🙂
Yes intelligence organizations use misinformation and disinformation in order to undermine the credibility of individuals, groups and ideas.
Your sister is one example of how effective these means are at undermining people’s credibility. Similar to Dan Rather’s story on George W. Bush’s time in the National Guard. While Rather’s story was essentially on the right track he used questionable evidence which resulted in the loss of his credibility.
Your sister may have fallen for information which is obviously suspect, like Rather did. Her questioning the official narrative doesn’t make her dim witted or a nut job. But a person who questions the official narrative from a government which has a history of lying to the public to hide policies and decision which would cause that same government to lose credibility and the support it needs of the public.
I think you know this. Now the question is does Larry believe the official 9-11 story?
Check out AE911 – they are architects and engineers who have had a lot of questions from the start.
Building 7 is a detail that will never go away. Nothing slammed into it and it just collapsed by coincidence. And in the same way that WTC 1&2 collapsed, also a coincidence. And then there was that weird melted rock in what was called the bathtub. Two fuselages, four wings, six fins, and they were all vaporized. No evidence except a pristine Saudi passport, by coincidence. I remember the real time news footage of firefighters peering down for weeks on end waiting for the massive hole of melted rock to cool down. How hot does a fire have to be to melt rock? There were too many weird things that day far beyond the intelligence of angry jihadi morons. A lot of statements from ordinary people that made no sense. Too many actually, even allowing for those in a traumatized state.
If the Swamp vermin can plan and pull off wars and false flags, if they can take out JFK in broad daylight, they can do anything. It’s not like they have any moral hesitation whatsoever.
100%
Agree. 7 World Trade Center is my canary in the coal mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atbrn4k55lA
I agree with Larry that planes hit the WTC towers and the Pentagon. However, I also think that people up-high knew what was going on and allowed it to happen in the same way that they let Pearl Harbor happen. I am unsure of whether there was any facilitation, but for darn sure there was no interference.
Still, Building 7… makes one start to think and question a lot of things.
Building Nº7. Yes, that’s the dark place no one, not even Brother Larry wants to approach.
I’ll do you one better … they supplied the super-computer modeling that told them hitting the towers at the 80th floor would leave enough loose mass above to pancake everything below. The whole official story is plausible, even if difficult to accept as not being aided by wired explosives. In fact, it likely worked beyond their wildest dreams. Wiring explosives would have been inescapably observed by hundreds of people working in and around the buildings for weeks before hand.
Nope. There was one guard at the tower who was on patrol and accidentally wound up in a stairwell near what was supposed to be a vacant floor and he heard work activities that should not have been there. Lucky for him his instinct told him to back off fast, and the the murder spree happened soon afterwards. He went public with this but then but someone probably tapped him on the shoulder. There were many instances like that.
True they have no moral hesitation to do false flag events like 9/11. I mean let’s use a very famous swamp creature as an example Hillary Clinton and let’s use a hypothetical scenario let’s say she was able to Stage a false flag or a major city in the United States got nuked I can guarantee literally everything I own in fact I would bet my very soul on it that if she could get away with something like that she do it in the heartbeat and we all know it. the swamp creatures might be stupid but they still have enough intelligence to do planning on Wars and assassinations why do you think they murdered JFK and his brother for for s**** and giggles Larry? And frankly Larry Johnson your sister is quite correct in being very distrustful of the official Narrative of 9/11 the fact that you believe the official narrative is honestly rather shocking and it really does really make me scrutinize and really question what you say now on anything.
Do you remember the event at some theater venue afterwards to benefit the firefighters and Hillbilly walked on stage and the firefighters got so ticked off that they carried her offstage in the middle of her yapping? Really gave her the biggest gong show hook of all time. Funniest thing you ever saw but that got wiped from YT real fast.
Lots of hocus pocus going on around that time not just on 9/11 but many of the so called terrorist attacks those days months and years.
Anytime there was a political crisis voila there was a terrorist arrest. Not just that terrorists travel with printed copies of Quran and their passports lying in their cars. It’s even happened in India.
I’m a religious muslim regularly attend the mosque. In my many decades of life I have found only one person in life who ever put a copy of Quran on his body or vehicle. That too he does it very rarely.
The so called terrorists are so clever they carry out major operations but so dumb that they travel with passports on their body , they leave it in cars parked nearby so that law enforcement can quickly find their details and trace them and their helpers.
Everything you said is a fact.Not opinion or speculation.I would add one more FACT.Never inthe history of high rise STEEL FRAMED buildings has ONE collapsed due to fire.That day 7 of them did at freefall speed.
The first smoking gun, to contradict the official 9/11 lie is the free fall of WTC building 7.
Building 7 fell onto its own footprint in 9 seconds, without being hit by any airliner, and 9 hours after the Towers fell.
According to Russian nuclear expert Dimitri Khalezov, nukes were used to bring down the towers.
https://rumble.com/vb577f-911-the-third-truth-dmitri-khalazov-part-1of2.html
He claims:
The nukes were places in the lowest basement of each of the 2 towers.
The nuclear blast went up the elevator shaft and the inner Steel core of the towers, and most of the radiation from the blast was contained and absorbed inside the inner 2 layered steel cores of the towers.
The steel cores of the towers were acting as electrical neutral faraday cages, grounded to earth.
The heat in the inner steel core got so intense that it send molten steel flowing down the elevator shaft, and finally evaporated the inner steel construction, while simultaneously turning the inner concrete floors of the towers in to dust.
During the process, the towers outer layer acted as giant chimneys, sending all of the concert dust, evaporated steel, and radiation up in to the atmosphere.
While the nuclear progression was eating the inside of towers, and sending most of the pulverized concrete and evaporates steel into a mega dust cloud, the towers outer layer of Steel beams, was cut near the top of the building to cause a controlled demolition at free fall speed.
His explanation sounds pretty good to me.
After the collapse, cars were found half a mile away, all with the paint burned on the metal sides facing the radiation from the WTC complex.
Geological surveys studying samples from 35 locations in Manhattan discovered elements indicative of the use of nuclear devices – such as barium, strontium, thorium, and uranium, lithium, lanthanum, nitrium, chromium, tridiam.
These tests were stopped 2 days after the attack by the Bush Administration.
Bush also ordered the remaining (radioactive?) steel shipped to China before it could be analysed.
In the aftermath, 70,000 of first responders and residents of the area around WTC have suffered diseases associated with exposure to ionizing radiation, including pancreatic cancer, esophagus cancer, leukemia, and multiple myeloma.
Evidence that the 9/11 attack was made possible by stand down and cover up by the US Gov, has been published by experts from 911 truth org and other experts.
There has been no genuine official forensic investigation.
The hard evidence was deliberately destroyed.
The files on 911 were ordered under lock for 50 years by both Bush and Obama.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/10/05/911-filling-in-the-map-tracing-the-nukes/
Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush, must face trial for Theft, Treason and Crimes against humanity.
Dear Larry.
Maybe your sister isn’t so crazy after all.
Hi sister has more common sense than he does. Plus he must cover his ass here as to not spook the spooks that can cut him out in a New York minute, as they say.
The evidence is overwhelming that this whole operation was staged. See Ron Unz latest where he spends an inordinate amount of time detailing his initial skepticism before hunkering down to look at the evidence. It is very well written and as often as he does with references.
I drop a notch my appreciation of the protagonist here, he may be an experienced intel man with many valuable insights, but this story is over his head.
Sister knows best
Yes, Kazelov was in Bangkok when our leaders pulled off the 911 murder spree, but he and most others were baffled and stunned at events. A nasty sleaze called Mike Harari who was also there and probably up to no good as usual filled him in on the details and also mentioned that he was involved in Col. Nick Rowe’s murder. Don’t bother looking for Harari he croaked.
There are a lot of “Distractors” about this event. Using a Nuke appears to me one of them. There are a lot of sensors detecting radiation levels all over. Unless there was a new time of nuclear device and was very tiny…..
Again, there are more possible explanations to explain what happened. Distractors are naturally occurring or purposely planted to make people bark at the wrong tree. Some are engineered to make the ones repeating them look insane/no credible.
I agree that there are a lot of distractions. But the biggest problem is that most people do not have an engineering background and are left to choose the simple explanations they are spoon feed.
I believe planes were involved in the attack of the WTC Towers.
However neither the impact of the planes nor the fire from the Jet fuel onboard the planes would be able to bring the towers down on its own. The tower were still standing after impact, and the amount of Jet fuel does not burn hot and long enough to weaken or turn concrete and steel into dust.
I also believe that Explosives were used to weaken the outer structure.
However these explosions were not large enough to turn thousands of Tons of Concert and steel into dust and send it up into the atmosphere.
Thus the only logical explanation (seen with my background) is the one given by Demitri Khalezov. According to him it was a Mini Thermonuclear Bomb.
To get an idea of the effect of a nuclear bomb planted down against bedrock spewing radiation upward into a steel Cage, check out the first 2min. of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA_tgIygvNo
Then imagine a process millions of times greater trapped in a cage and out of control.
That is how the inner steel structure and concrete was disintegrated to dust and sent up into the atmosphere.
NB: In this thread I have not commented on the Pentagon Attack, only about the twin towers.
And there was some issue at the time about Geiger counters in NYC, you couldn’t find or use one or something. Almost all the search dogs got sick and or died in about a year.
I read that some kind of nuke was used and it melted the bedrock and created a crater but I never saw one when I was in the bathtub at the bottom.
A Ground Zero crater left by a nuclear explosion is extremely radioactive for 100s of years.
The way to stop the radiation from emitting from the crater is to place a water basin above it, incase it in concrete, or incase it in lead.
That is why the 2 Ground zero basins (Bathtubs) were built above the crater to stop the radiation from constantly being released from the crater and poison the population in New York.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=mM-5DhIhYmQ
Well… trying to portray VT as a source of valuable info about this kind of stuff is nothing short than a shot in the foot. C’on… stop mutilating yourself.
What most civilians don’t understand is that current US military staff is hampered to publicly counter the official narrative. If they do, they are fired and will be treated as traitors for the rest of their life.
However when they have left the Military or intelligence service, most Veterans will speak the truth.
VT (Veterans Today) is a media run by US military veterans with access to current sources within the US military and intelligence agencies.
VT was erected as a Voice in support for military Veterans surviving wars but living miserable lives because of the injuries they sustained during war. VT has a large focus on health issues.
In my experience Military veterans are Honorable people who are Loyal to the people of their Nation.
However, they will no longer tolerate the Lies, and are not afraid of being killed for speaking the truth.
VT has the knowledge and can and will expose facts that could bring down any US Administration.
Thus they are seen as a threat by both isles of the political spectrum in Washington.
As an example of articles, Gordon Duff has made a series of articles regarding the consequences of the current use of mini Nuclear weapons, and his expertise in this field are acknowledged and in line with what are known as fact within Military circles around the world. The article I refer to was written back in 2016.
TC don’t commit harakiri by trying to smear US Veterans.
NB: Only people with military knowledge should read VT, as you will encounter uncomfortable truth and language containing Ridicule, and Sarcasm.
I agree with your take. The General had no clue of Structural Engineering or the construction of the WTC Towers. It was NOT a controlled demolition. It was the floors collapsing around the core after the impact and resulting fires weakened the structure. The cores held the towers and were built very strong to support the floor structures. The outer walls also provided support and the load was carried over longer spans. Once the fires and damage from the impact of the planes took their toll on the floors nearest to them, they could no longer support the weight of the structure above. The result was a chain reaction once the structure failed.
I worked for five years as a structural designer.
I was taking a materials science course at college. The professor used this in the coursework to show us how the heat changed the crystal lattice of the structural steel thus weakening its strength properties.
The sprayed asbestos insulation on the steel skeleton was blown off and allowed the steel to reach its softening temperature. That was all it took. No rocket science, just basic metallurgy.
And I’m NOT a structural engineer….but I like to play one on TV.
That said, a Japanese-American architect, Minoru Yamasaki designed the towers. I’m surprised no one came up with a theory that he purposely designed them to fail as payback for Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
Oops, hope I haven’t started anything.
Only the lower 38 floors of WTC 1 had asbestos insulation on the structural steel. The upper floors and WTC 2 had an inferior fiberglass product. There is a theory that if they had been covered with asbestos the buildings might not have collapsed. But there certainly was a large amount of asbestos released when WTC 1 collapsed.
In the 1990s the EPA declared that asbestos in the Towers had to be removed at an estimated cost of $2,000,000,000; (I suppose followed by a lien against the title?)
In Aug.2001, title passed to Silverstein. Who sued insurance company in exception loophole for damages by ‘Acts of War,’ and settled out for $6,000,000,000 charging Double Indemnity for two Towers.
After which Lloyd’s of London’s “names” declared itself insolvent akin to, but not to say, bankrupt. And after operating for 300(?) years went out of business.
It’s like seeing the karate guy break a stack of bricks – you notice they put nails between each layer so you only really have to break the first brick (top one) and then the impact of it hitting the next breaks it, and so on. When one floor collapses, it crashes onto the next down. The building was designed for stable, steady load, not dynamic shock.
The real back story is why those goons were allowed in and to train as pilots, move around the country easily, etc. when almost all, if not all were known to be suspicious. That’s the part that gets covered up or ignored in the media. And that they seemed to be financed by Saudis at a very high level. We are still prevented from seeing that information. I think the powers that be like having this other speculation as it is easy to debunk and focuses attention away from the real story that it maybe could have been prevented if people would have done their jobs a bit better before the attack.
Same morons responsible for Afghanistan, Ukraine, weaponizing the DOJ, and all brand of other fiascoes own 9-11 too because they should have been able to prevent it given the intelligence they had on the perpetrators long before the event.
Now we’re to believe that the same types who couldn’t get that right will guide us to victory over Russia or China. Sure. Meanwhile you know the story is bad because they continually refuse to release all the info.
The folks who believe that this was a manufactured attack carried out via coordination between the FBI and the CIA never worked with either. I have. The lack of communication and the refusal to share information is staggering. The public at large naively believe that there is some place, some person in the US Government who is integrating all of the information and has a clear picture of the threats coming down the pike. Hogwash. Scott Ritter and I both agree on the incompetence explanation. Of course, in the aftermath, the next phase was cover one’s ass and hold no one accountable. That has been the primary impetus for conspiracy theories. There was enough intelligence scattered about that someone doing all source intel could have put this together and prevented it. But the system itself does not provide any incentive to do so. Once it happened, all of the defense contractors shifted into, “What can we do to make money off of this.”
The “incompetence” explanation is where I was leaning. I don’t believe anybody in the US “deep state” or whatever you may call it organized it at all. There were, however warning flags that were not checked out, and, for all the money spent on “intelligence gathering” nothing was, and probably isn’t now, integrated in any useful way.
It makes me wonder if they really don’t have any clue as to what’s happening in Ukraine. Or at least maybe they don’t have any way of making any information they have “useful” in terms of getting a picture of what’s happening. They didn’t know Afghanistan would fall so quickly, yet any sane, reasonably intelligent person knew it would be quick. As one Taliban prisoner said years ago when asked why he was smiling, “we’ll take over in a week after the US leaves.”
They didn’t plan it, but they sure, through incompetence or whatever, allowed it to happen when they could reasonably have prevented it. That’s the crime that’s being covered up, and as long as they keep hiding these fuck ups they’ll never get around to fixing anything. Afghanistan showed they’re oblivious to the obvious. Or maybe just plain stupid.
And there was some issue at the time about Geiger counters in NYC, you couldn’t find or use one or something. Almost all the search dogs got sick and or died in about a year.
So the” magic bullet” was real und the physics that state, that an asymetric damage will lead to an asymetric collaps is wrong to?
Agree. Everyone who has ever worked in complex overfinanced public institutions will agree: No planning, pure incompetence.
As far as incentive. Not only is there no incentive there is actually the opposite. Nobody every gets fired. They get hailed as “security experts” the rest of their lives. They go on to become managememt directors at investment banks (Tenet) or get promoted twice after which hook up with your buddy Chertoff cashing in on the new security infrastructure spending you helped facilitate. (Hayden)
It is worse than no accountability. Failure is a path to riches in US “leadership” positions.
Bla,bla,bla…….we believe that the spy vs spy racket is very protective of their intel, no argument there. But it has nothing to do with this story. Whatever they may have flagged meant nothing to the Oz that was pulling the leavers of the ideology that constructed this madness. And madness is exactly what it is because it is beyond the grasp of the masses and has and will remain unpunished. It is bleeding the USA and what we are seeing in the utter lunacy of our leaders is a direct result of it.
Conspiracy theory ? Maybe a little better definition of it would be “calling a spade a spade”, in the American vernacular.
Put on a pair American, collectively, maybe you can pull it out after all. Don’t look good from here however.
Stick to Ukraine Johnson, for this 9/11 subject you need to go back to school.
another strawman type of argument Larry. As was the no planes argument designed to divide. I notice how you don’t respond to the obvious controlled demolition of WTC 7. Of course it wasn’t the official CIA and FBI creating this false flag. 9/11 was mainly done by Israeli deep state operatives. Elements of the CIA and the FBI did their part as did elements of the US military. Who made billions of dollars on the insurance of the WTC? Some Muslim? Just that year of 2001 there was a lost court case worth a billion dollars over trying to get insurance to pay for the removal of the asbestos in the towers. On most every day Silverstein and his son and daughter would come to work at the trade center towers but on 9/11, none of them. Where was the US Airforce? It is of course just an amazing coincidence that on 9/11 there was an exercise with simulated hijackings (yes, plural) taking place. Even at the NRO, a subsidiary of the CIA underwent a simuated plane crashing into the building on 9/11. Every aspect of the official conspiracy theory has holes in it.
If somebody at the highest level wanted to organize an attack like 9-11, it would not have used a team of US Government paid employees (FBI, CIA, etc). A very small group, need to know basis, would have organized a bunch/small independent contractors (even unsuspected “terrorists”) to carry the attack.
Knowing from the inside how the system works, the same tiny group would have designed, financed and facilitated the operation.
So, I agreed with Larry that 9/11 was not an institutional FBI/CIA organized event. The bad actors are not stupid. A large part of the FBI/CIA are just decent Americans that believe in the mission statements of their organizations and probably can not believe that sometimes evil is running the show (and they are enabling them without fully understand it).
Who stood NORAD down? There are reports of the countless time fighter jets have been scrambled before and after 9/11, so why were the jets sttod down on the fateful day?
John Lear’s Affidavit, under oath, that no professional pilot on earth could perform those manoeuvres ascribed to the airliners purportedly piloted by rookies who trained how to take off but not how to land, has never been countered by the USG because it is valid.
April Gallup’s testimony that she was directed to leave the section of the Pentagram that was later slammed into by that projectile, when she was going to keep her kid at the creche. Would she risk everything by lying and going to court against the government?
A government that’s still hiding what actually happened at the Daley Plaza over 60 years ago wouldn’t keep ugly secrets?
Webster Tarpley’s book, “Synthetic Terror” made a clear case of the implausibility of the government’s explanation of what happened on 9/11.
The missing billions/trillions of the Pentagon is a qui bono regarding the attacks.
The dancing Israelis. The arrested would-be bombers of the New Jersey bridge/George Washington??? What happened to them?
Larry, don’t be falling your fans’ hands, biko!
And that they seemed to be financed by Saudis at a very high level.
Osama bin Ladin was a member of a very powerful and wealthy family. Think of him as the rough equivalent of a Bush or Kennedy family member. He may well have had high level support. He was a member of the elite.
The plane crash created asymetric damage which would cause an asymetric collapse. But collapse was symetric.
WTC7 was not hit by any plane. It collapsed symetrically (see video evidence).
And building 7?
Doesn’t explain how the solid structure of lower floors, undamaged by collision or fire, gave way so as to facilitate a close to free fall collapse of the lower parts of the buildings. I don’t know what the truth of the cause of collapse is, but I believe that logically, what we have been told is the truth, is a lie.
Wrong. The floors were poured concrete and once the top floors gave way, the incredible weight that began falling in the center of the structure took out each lower floor one at a time. It started slowly and gained momentum; you could hear AND see it happen. I’m a mechanical engineer and the explanation makes perfect sense.
Biff, that scenario would still have left much of the central spine of the building intact, at least partially. The fire wouldn’t have been able to SYMMETRICALLY “weaken” the steel frame or the concrete, if for no other reason, the fire’s “chimney” initially was the side of the building where the “plane” entered. With that strong an updraft, the fire would have had a hard time staying lit in the elevator shafts at lower levels, further reducing the heat available to “weaken” the steel structure DOWN TO THE BASEMENTS.
Assuming the planes were full of fuel (unlikely) at most about 60,000 US gallons of fuel per plane. In a remote controlled crash in 1984, a 707 with 16,000 gallons of fuel burned for an hour in the open desert. The first tower took 1hr 41min to collapse, but the second one hit took only 1hr.
And to have all the lower floors collapse IN SEQUENCE, twice in two buildings is statistically impossible without “help”.
And then there’s Building 7. No plane, no fire, yet exactly the same result.
Someone needs to explain that little detail.
That the US gov’t seamless reaction was simply a CYA exercise to hide the widely known endemic incompetence is a stretch.
Obviously some group with a lot of engineering know-how planned, designed and implemented a very precise demolition. Don’t forget, a bunch of terrorist amateurs tried to blow up one of those building by knocking out the main central supports in the basement… DIDN’T WORK. And yet a impacts which shouldn’t have affected either building’s fundamental integrity and a fire too cool to significantly affect the steel frame brought them both down flawlessly?
If you believe the Official narrative on this, you should never go in a steel-framed skyscraper, as it may collapse at any second.
Spot on!
Lets just take a couple of your words that you believe are so important that you need to ‘shout’ them in caps. Quote ‘SYMMETRICALLY “weaken” the steel frame or the concrete’ – to myself this is irrevelant as assymetrical weakening leads to much greater loads on the other side or other areas of the structure, loads that are unlikely to have been calculated for in the buildings construction. Quote ‘further reducing the heat available to “weaken” the steel structure DOWN TO THE BASEMENTS.’ – again to me it seems you are assuming that this weakening of steel down to the basements is important or essential in order to precipate a collapse as was seen, whereas to it is simply comman sense that this weakening to the basement would not be required – this leads into your final statament that I will comment on -quote’ And to have all the lower floors collapse IN SEQUENCE, twice in two buildings is statistically impossible without “help”. ‘ – again to me this is exactly what one would expect to see as the dynamic force of the floors above (with increasing mass and velocity) successively impact each floor below in turn. Not rocket science and is entirely plausible to those that can think with an open mind. Clearly conspiracies exist and have and are occuring – it’s just that not everything is a conpiracy!
To Selby:
The WTC towers fell SYMMETRICALLY into their basements. That means the lower structures that held the building up since 1973 had to be rendered incapable of holding up the buildings. Despite a massive basement bombing attempt in 1993 that had zero effect. A bomb roughly the same size demolished half a building in Oklahoma City by merely being parked out front.
The WTC buildings didn’t topple or twist, or hesitate once the main drop began. All the supports, even for the top few floors at the impact site, had to fail at the EXACT SAME TIME AND WAY or the top would have toppled, not dropped straight down.
Identically. Nearly simultaneously.
Gee, this should be a model for controlled demolitions from now on:
1) Don’t bother removing any material or weakening critical supports.
2) Knock out a few supports ON ONE SIDE about 1/4 from the top of the building.
3) Simultaneously release an airliner-load of jet fuel at that 1/4-from-top level and ignite it.
4) Let that burn for about an hour or so.
5) Stand back and watch the building fall into its own basement.
Sounds ridiculous when put that way, but that’s EXACTLY what the Official Narrative says.
Or even better for Building 7, merely light a fire in the basement and it falls down on its own.
Get real.
There could perfectly well have been a conspiracy. All it would have taken is to be aware that a less than competent group of terrorists, whether instigated by a third country (which *coincidentally* benefited tremendously from the aftermath) or otherwise, was planning the attack….and to deliberately do nothing and let the attack go ahead anyway. Just hijackings and attempted kamikaze attacks would have been the Pearl Harbour moment the neocons openly yearned for and wanted; the further destruction would be just added bonus.
As for the second plane that hit the WTC, the videos clearly show it almost managed to miss despite flying at a huge, static target dead level. I always laugh when I read people talk about how terrorists who could barely operate a Cessna couldn’t possibly have flown a commercial plane into the WTC. They’re almost right: the pilot, whoever it was, almost managed not to hit it.
Does your sister know you talk about her like that?
same way I talk about you.
LOL
Are your parentheses buttons broke on your keyboard? I don’t see you using the parentheses around the pronoun:
(Them) / ((Them)) / (((Them)))
And you misspelled coincidentally. It’s Cohencidentally, remember?
Take the amateur jew-hating somewhere else, Biswannabepriya.
Hasbarat detected.
There’s none so blind as those who WON’T see, Nahh, these rats have ya ‘ll by the nuts.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2x6fhl
🔯 🕎
I guess his sister knows that he means 90 % of his readers whom he can not tell it this way directly.
By the way Larry, who blew up the train station in Bologna?
If you tell me it was some jihadi I swear I will believe you because you worked for an intelligence agency which I didn’t.
LJ, sad to hear a relative is not comprehending facts. I to have a sister in the same realm of fantasy. We both have been in the shit storm of tactical and and administrative combat, the facts and the truth never seem to be realized. I’ll blame the media first, I’ll then blame stupidity on behalf of those that choose to hear what they want to hear and see vice reality. I appreciate your candor!
LG
Roger brother. No fixing stupid.
@Larry
As stupid as the CIA?! wink,wink.
Nice try.
Poor Larry. Sad case of indoctrination. Been in The Firm too long.
Furthermore, in order to *stay* in The Firm a long time, and on Terra Firma,
one must recite the party line doxology with head bowed and eyes closed in prayer, DENYING all EVIDENCE and witnesses.
Indeed, the very first idea in this is, “wasn’t going to say anything about” Nine-Eleven Op … ‘but sister started it.’
If ever Larry did speak truth accusing The Company, or leak true secrets — even ‘retired’ — his sister would miss her brother.
Consider why someone would say, “have you ever worked in intelligence group?”
Implying:
‘I’m allowed my own facts but not allowed my own opinion.’
And, yes, like nearly every other MIT student I was offered CIA position. But the deal breaker, for me, oath to secrecy in The Co. and my duties.
However, my brother had no qualms about it; my sister covers her ears if politics is spoken.
I did in fact foretell tragedy. Before dawn of 9/10 while outside stargazing I told my son, “there will be an historic fire in the next 24 hours … probably an oil refinery in Houston.’
Problem for many conspiracy theories — including Official Govt 9/11 Conspiracy Theory — is lack of a Motive.
As in: MOM – Means, Opportunity, Motive.
I have a consp. theory which includes a who dunnit and his motive why.
I am a practicing seer.
Pot, Kettle, Black!
One of the reasons people come up with these conspiracy theories is that not one American official was held responsible. Many people should have been fired, impeached or jailed. There’s your conspiracy.
I think a much bigger reason is that every American official lies so blatantly, compulsively, and over even trivial things that many people will automatically assume that everything they say is false, even when it isn’t.
This is not a minor, irritating problem of conspiracies–this is the beginning of a worryingly dire problem of absolute distrust in all of the institutions that are required to hold the fabric of a country together. And even worse, the distrust is very much merited.
Building 7?
Why didn’t the engines make holes in the Pentagram walls? Where did the engines go?
That question does not invalidate the other physical evidence that the plane hit the Pentagon. I can think of several explanations. For example, the plane struck the ground before impacting the building. That impace separated the engines from the wing.
Weak answer I think
Best answer I can come up with is what is the statistical probability that two planes actually did hit the twin towers but were somehow coordinated with something other than a plane hitting the pentagon.
Don’t want to go too deep into that approach though because then I start thinking about statistical probabilities of curious ballot bumps during late night lock downs & I don’t want to end up in jail for having such verboten thoughts.
And the coroner found no bodies not even blood at the Pennsylvania scene. One would think that so much forestry would produce at big fire but nope, not even a small one. Do non flammable woodland trees count as a coinkydink?
Sorry doesn’t follow the official story. They said the wings folding back on impact and following the plane into the tiny hole and then disintegrated. All with out leaving a mark on the outer walls. Remarkable!
Some theorize an aircraft painted with AA colors flew low over the Pentagon and dropped a laser guided bomb or some munition. So people did see an aircraft.
There is lots of proof no airplane hit that I won’t detail here:
No bodies, no engines, no tail, no luggage, just some small chunks of debris that could have been dropped too.
No burn marks from engines on the lawn, and the air-ground effect that would prevent an aircraft from flying level that low.
No security camera footage ever released to prove an aircraft hit it, despite dozens of cameras. Even nearby private footage was seized and disappeared.
The sharp 180 degree diving turn that professional pilots would struggle with.
No engine or wing marks on the Pentagon walls, just a hole.
There are a dozen more things I won’t mention.
Even a CNN reporter at the scene said no airplane hit the Pentagon.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Q6jvUIZRBKMa/
You forgot the exit hole – what made that hole?
OK, so after the impact where did the engines go? Two 3 ton titanium engines traveling at hundreds of miles an hour would leave very visible holes – either embedded in the ground or the building.
What about the wings? I have seen it suggested that they folded and went into the hole – a foolish notion. The wings would have had to lose their forward momentum and traveled fifty odd feet sideways and then continued forward! Really? I would expect to see them either broken up outside the building or embedded within it. Likewise passenger bodies and luggage would probably have been strewn around.
The nice neat hole in your video is not persuasive – I have no idea what caused it but it clearly was not a passenger jet moving at high speed.
No one claimed it struck the ground and there was no impact shown on the lawn. The engines are the most solid element of an aircraft. They didn’t disappear. The would have been seen on video. Some of the debris showed small turbine engine parts and experts said they were not from a commercial engine. The wings and tail would certainly have broken off and bounced back into the lawn, and make gouges in the wall that photos clearly show were not made.
The engines aren’t the most solid part – the wing spar and area where the wings attach to the fuselage are the strongest parts. The engines are somewhat fragile as they are highly stressed when running. You see lots of stories about engines blowing up and falling off, but you don’t hear of wings falling off. The question is whether there was a fireball when the plane hit, indicating the fuel tanks, in the wings, burst and ignited when the engines disintegrated. Larry said he could see the smoke from the airport, so it had to be significant.
I’ve heard various theories on the Pentagon, but nobody can answer a very simple question: if that plane didn’t hit the Pentagon, where did it go? It seems people are willing to believe it didn’t hit the Pentagon and burn up, but they do believe it just disappeared. You can’t on the one hand say it didn’t hit the Pentagon and on the other have no explanation as to where it went instead. It couldn’t just disappear without a trace, leaving the Pentagon crash site as the only feasible explanation available to us with the facts at hand.
The Dulles Airport manifest of all scheduled take-offs and landings shows Flt. 77 did not operate that day.
A radar trace of Flt. 77 showed it flew below radar on approach to Frankfort, KY.
After several minutes below radar 77’s signal appears in southern Virginia bearing 45° toward WashDC.
Same choreography as written in “The Turner Diaries.”
So? Where are the engines? Did they vaporize? Did they somehow bounce into the Potomac? Did Scotty beam them up?
Everybody forgets that inside the engines are turbines going maybe 30,000 rpm, and will disintegrate quite easily. A bird can cause one to blow apart, so a brick wall might cause more damage. The other point is that aluminum burns. True, when the outside oxidizes it resists corrosion, but when heated the rest oxidizes quite nicely. Throw in a load of jet A, exploding engines providing the necessary sparks, and much of the plane will burn up and seemingly vanish. Check out what a plane crash site looks like where there’s been a fire. Aluminum burns. Engines disintegrate.
Laary,you did not answer the question,WHERE DID THE ENGINES GO,4 PLANES 8 ENGINES,WHERE?
Where did the passengers go? If you look at the video you will see the aircraft was shredded. Aluminum engines burn. You can’t accept that, fine. Believe what you want.
Jet engines are mostly NOT aluminum. Most notably, forged/hardened steel shafts that concentrically run the length of the engine with hundreds of extremely hard blades. None of this could possibly vaporize on contact with a steel/concrete building, no matter the speed of the plane or the RPM of the engine.
“Nickel Based Super Alloys For Gas turbine Applications
Materials that can be used at the homologous temperature of 0.6 Tm and still remain stable to withstand severe mechanical stress and strains in oxidizing environment are called super alloys. Usually based on Ni, Fe or Co. Super alloys exhibit excellent mechanical strength and creep resistance at high temperature, good surface stability, corrosion and oxidation resistance. They typically have an austenitic face-centered cubic crystal structure with a base-alloying element of nickel, cobalt and nickel-iron. The development of super alloy has primarily been driven by the aerospace industry. Nickel based Waspaloy is an age hardening super alloys with excellent high temperature strength and good corrosion resistance notable to oxidation, at service temperature up to 1200℉ (650℃) for critical rotating applications and up to 1600℉ (870℃) for other less demanding applications. The alloys high temperature strength is derived from its solid solution strengthening element, molybdenum, cobalt a… ”
https://www.academia.edu/4751249/Materials_in_Jet_Engines_Past_Present_and_Future
Ya, all that simply disintegrated in a 1400F max fire. Maybe difficult to pick out of the WTC towers’ rubble, but at the Pentagon?
Sorry, but there would have been all manner of high-temperature-resistant, nearly indestructible engine bits scattered in/around the hole. To say nothing of easily identifiable big bits like the landing gear struts… machined out of monstrous slabs of high-tensile aluminum alloy on huge milling machines. Ya, all that just caught fire and disintegrated… three times.
There is SO much more reliable technical info available now on the internet than there was in 2001, so little facts like the turbine blades being harder and more temperature resistant than any material in the Pentagon building become apparent. The blades would shatter as they are brittle, almost crystalline structures, but harder and more temp resistant that anything in your house or commercial buildings.
Maybe the Pentagon’s wall was made of some super-secret material from the Roswell UFO that could disintegrate turbine blades? Or perhaps Marvin the Martian’s Illudium Q-36 Spance Modulator did it…
The Ukraine War fits one of Marvin’s best lines… “Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!!” The NeoCons are wondering where the earth-shattering kaboom went from all the weapons they sent to Zelensky’s NeoNazi goons.
When asked, “where are remnants of the fuselage?” the official Pentagon spokesman stated, “it all evaporated.”
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Some of the 9/11 Engineers and Architects showed clearly what an airplane of that size and speed would have done to anything below it as it was coming down and for how much distance before. No way it was an airplane.
I would have ravaged anything in its path, all logical.
As far as the planes penetrating the towers, also physically impossible. Just as a example look what flock of birds can do to large commercial jet. Hitting a tree would destroy the plane. No way that a commercial jet plane would have penetrated those towers…..
There is a video (link supplied by another commenter here). You can see what looks like a plane (can’t see the wings clearly). I noticed 2 things:
1- The plane explodes/creates a ball of fire immediately when the nose hit the building. You can see the long body of the plane still intact as it explodes. One could expect the ball of fire when the fuel tanks (wings) hit the building, not before. That been said, a simple explanation could be that the camera’s speed was too low and captured 2 things on a single frame that happened separately. I leave this analysis to people with more knowledge on analyzing videos.
2- You can see the plane coming almost touching the ground, as if is mowing the grass, completely parallel to the ground. This is not easy to accomplish without significant skill. Also, why would the attacker chose this angle of attack when coming down vertically or at 45 degrees would have been easier and carry way more speed/energy?
This does not answer the question. The engines did not go through the walls,. They were not found outside and their wreckage is almost always found after a crash, except on 9/11. Also the next most survivable item, the landing gear were not found AFAIK at any of the four sites either.
I do not know what happened. But it is almost certainly something other than what we were told.
From his Wiki:
**** A key sponsor of the Stargate Project (a remote viewing project) at Fort Meade, Maryland, Stubblebine was convinced of the reality of a wide variety of psychic phenomena. He required that all of his battalion commanders learn how to bend spoons in the manner of celebrity psychic Uri Geller, and he himself attempted several psychic feats, in addition to walking through walls, such as levitation and dispersing distant clouds with his mind. ****
Your poor sister isn’t alone. Many people are working very hard to convince US citizens that alternate realities are just as valid as any! Discarding reason and/or hard science is OK if doing those things is necessary to buy into the BS peddled by the likes of Major General Albert Stubblebine.
Now I know how we got into the mess we have with Ukraine. Stubblebine was definitely not unique.
The snipers of Maidan in 2014 were not Yanks, but paid by Madam Nuland. Azov was really formed in UA, but US-trained and paid.
Someone asked how they rigged the building? It happened on Monday. All weekend the buildings were off limit to every one! I downloaded an NBC news moment, when people in the studio suddenly yelled; “It’s a missile coming” and it came! The TV footage which shows the planes hitting the buildings came from an unknown, anonymous source, probably mossad! It’s not your sister the dim witted here.
Dude,
I have a friend who does building demolition. You need at least two months to wire two towers like the WTC. Get real.
I’ll bet it was those same Ukrainians who blew North Stream.
And how do you know two months were not taken to rig the explosives?
Because you can’t hide it. Not a single person has come forward to describe the demolished walls to expose columns and miles of detcord that would have been attached to those columns. Again, what is your experience with building demolition? I like dealing in facts.
Are you assuming that the charges would have to have been placed at every floor. What if it only required one set of charges on each of the main support columns in the basement. How long would that have taken? Aircraft engines are always more or less intact and identifiable amongst the wreckage. Do you have photos of any engine remains at any of the crash sites. I have seen none. Your sister has good reason to doubt the official narrative. I do. No amount of gas lighting can turn a lie into the truth. You are gas lighting your sister but she is resisting it seems. Good on her.
Hiding the attachement of explosives would be a challenge.
But WTC7 (no plane crash) was obviousely controlled collapsed. They hid the attachement there. This forces us to conclude that it’s possible.
Many people had heard several explosions that had allegedly been caused by explosives and for which the blame was conspiratorially placed on the US government and the CIA. Fact is, that these explosions did take place, not because of explosives, but because the many tons of aluminum (roughly 40 tons) from the destroyed aircraft melted as thinly as water and developed tremendous heat and exploded when they came in contact with the water from the sprinkler systems, because such thinly liquid aluminum is highly explosive when it comes in contact with water. And the immense heat of the aluminum, which is as thin as water, also melted the steel girders, whose protective concrete shells were torn open by the impact of the planes and exposed the steel, which could not withstand the great heat. This made it possible for the steel girders to melt and for them to collapse and also for the towers to collapse.
I believe you like to deal in facts, truly do!
But to return the favour, have you ever been in building construction?
Because if you have, you have to acknowledge the fact that a building can not collapse like that, without being rigged!
In huge buildings like that you can just pretend and work on “maintenance” for months, without anyone really knowing or seeing what you are doing. This is a fact I can personally verify! And i can show you numerous ways to hide the detcord.
But then again, i will not deny your expertise, and say you can keep this quiet!
However, i have never ever seen buildings collapse faster than a freefall on it’s square, when struck in the middle.
I simply can not believe that! With my construction experience, and expertise(without trying being vain).
I know people believe what they want to believe, and i like to deal in facts just like you!
Facts are that there were planes flying into buildings before and after 911, but they never caused a collapse like we have seen, and probably this will not ever be seen again, acknowledging the fact that other buildings have different ways of construction.
But there might be something we both fail to see, blurred by our own way of dealing facts?
none have come forward … and lived for very long.
Thermite is not your typical dynamite used in construction demolition and traces of thermite were found on steel that was tested. Where did it come from? It doesn’t just appear.
Ps. I am very glad I came upon your site a few years ago. I find your analysis of Ukraine very spot on. Can I ask you about Prigozin, was he offed by the west to make undermine Putin before the BRICS meeting? Sorry it’s a bit off topic but……
Thermite is not your typical dynamite used in construction demolition and traces of thermite were found on steel that was tested. Where did it come from? It doesn’t just appear.
Ps. I am very glad I came upon your site a few years ago. I find your analysis of Ukraine very spot on. Can I ask you about Prigozin, was he offed by the west to make undermine Putin before the BRICS meeting? Sorry it’s a bit off topic but……
I posted on that two months ago. Please search the site.
The technology to do this existed at the time, but was as not well-known to the public as it is now.
WIFI/radio linked detonators on thermite/plastic explosive charges. Independent long-life Li-ion battery power for the charges. WIFI-mesh hubs/repeaters would only need to be placed every few floors to ensure good signal coverage, could be installed beside the rest of the building’s electrical/communication devices and who would be the wiser? Addressed like the internet so sequencing could be done to ensure the building falls as planned.
Mining companies routinely use wireless tech these days, but I’m sure some off-book military/DARPA program had all this worked out before it was rolled out for general use in the early 2000’s. Even IEDs in Iraq were often radio/cell-phone triggered. It the terrorists could figure it out, I’m sure the Deep State could do it on a much larger scale.
Could have been in the elevator shafts and other controlled access maintenance areas, hidden/disguised as normal fixtures. Virtually unnoticed by anyone not familiar with the technology.
A process that could have taken months to fully install. The public sure wouldn’t notice some workers doing it, unless they had DEEP STATE-EXPLOSIVES CREW on their backs.
At least that’s how I would have done it if I wanted to leave minimal traces and not raise suspicion.
Perhaps the rush to dig up and dispose of all the rubble was to ensure bits of that tech didn’t get noticed. They sure disposed of those clean-sheared girders quickly, can’t have people noticing they looked more torch-cut than impact/stress-damaged. But conveniently, we may never know unless one of a few people decide to confess. Assuming the actual worker-bees haven’t been eliminated already… dead men tell no tales.
Sorting the real from the unreal
From Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Security Alerts, Disabled Fire Alarms, and Unused Elevators: Suspicious Events at the World Trade Center Before 9/11
Refer:
https://www.ae911truth.org/news/479-security-alerts-disabled-fire-alarms-and-unused-elevators-suspicious-events-at-the-world-trade-center-before-9-11
and
118 Witnesses: The Firefighters’ Testimony to Explosions in the Twin Towers
Refer:
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/technical-articles/articles-in-the-journal-of-9-11-studies/112-118-witnesses-the-firefighters-testimony-to-explosions-in-the-twin-towers
and this exhaustive analysis of the reporting of events
9/11 News Coverage: How 36 Reporters Brought Us the Twin Towers’ Explosive Demolition on 9/11
Refer:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/how-36-reporters-brought-us-twin-towers-explosive-demolition-911/5718119
and
A ‘Power-Down’ Took Place in the World Trade Center Just Days Before 9/11 Attacks
Refer:
https://theeventchronicle.com/a-power-down-took-place-in-the-world-trade-center/
and George Bush’s brother Marvin Bush and the security firm that managed security on the towers
UQ Wire: Security, Secrecy and a Bush Brother
Refer:
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00032/uq-wire-security-secrecy-and-a-bush-brother.htm
Observing Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko watch the freefall collapse WTC 7 for the first time is something everyone ought to do. Left unsaid and hanging in the air—If one of the 3 buildings had been pre-rigged for demolition, then they all had been:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc
Mechanical engineer from architects and engineers for 9/11 truth:
http://www.ae911truth.org/news/396-news-media-events-let-s-start-with-science-not-conspiracies-when-it-comes-to-9-11
Heard of ‘remote wireless detonator system’?
No longer any need to spend two months to wire two towers like the WTC.
No more than half a day to a day max needed for a crew dressed up as building maintenance gang to attach the preprogrammed charges at necessary points; then program the RF base transceiver, set time and bingo – easy as.
Note the dates of patent filing
Remote wireless detonator system
Refer the patent:
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2001059401A1/en
Abstract
A wireless detonator system wherein a blast initiation signal emanating from a programmable controller (12) is broadcast to individual, remote programmable detonators (16) associated with specific explosive charges (14). The controller (18) communicates with a programmable RF base transceiver. Upon interpreting the blast initiation signal, the RF base transceiver broadcasts instructions to the detonators (14). By assigning a single sacrificial detonator to a single charge, a timed blast sequence may be created without the need for time consuming and expensive hand wiring of the charges.
Application PCT/CA2000/001369 events
Priority claimed from US50264800A
2000-11-29
Application filed by Inco Limited
2000-11-29
Priority to AU2001216836A
2001-08-16
Publication of WO2001059401A1
Who would have thought?? Bloody smart Arabs I guess.
Real enough?
“Wire” the building? So 1950’s. If I was designing an event of this type, encrypted radio control would have been the ticket, just set up a private WIFI with transfer nodes on floors as required, on a frequency not allowed to the public/EMS/air traffic/regular military. Then just have bogus/undercover utility workers roam the building doing “repairs” in the nooks and crannies to plant the wireless explosives. Could take months to do it and who would be the wiser? Computerize the sequencing, Bob’s yer uncle. This was obviously a well-funded effort, so the best available tech would have been used.
If I can figure out a way, I’m sure the NeoCon Deep Staters did too.
Are you married? Maybe Larry will fix you up if you ask nice.
9/11/2001 was a Tuesday.
She got the better of you. How about this theory.
She knows you well and she pushed your buttons so you feel guilty and buy her that dinner set she’s been talking about?
Probably not, but worthwhile to cover that angle.
Either way there is a nice Stone Lain Celina in Matt Black for sale on Wayfair, 50% off. It’ll go nicely with her dark theories. Thanks Giving is coming up.
On a serious note thanks for the analysis and sharing. Always top notch.
I’ve been putting off reading about the various revisionist notions about September 11 2001 because the amount of unsubstantiated conjecture swamped my interest.
My best friend is a retired structural engineer and he sees no reason to believe demolition charges were involved, let alone micro-nuclear weapons or “nanothermite” planted precisely where the planes struck.[Really??]
I will stipulate that Israeli spy rings were broken up in the wake of the attacks. I am open to evidence that they were directly involved or had some awareness of the attacks. But I’ve never seen direct evidence.
The “CIA directly attacked American financial and security infrastructure” theory is just implausible. Given the absence of tangible motivation I would expect even stronger evidence. I have no intelligence background, so I’m not even situated to speculate
Having been in WTC at Shearson-Lehman I recall and in The 5-Sided Puzzle Palace I know both as huge concrete structures of different eras
I do wonder about construction of Pentagon which I suspect is more dense than WTC with less axial loading of concrete platforms on vertical ironwork
what about building 7?
“if the floors collapsing” theory is correct…why did the core “melt” too?
Why does it look exactly like a controlled demolition?
Probably was that the City failed to pay up and those mafia-controlled construction workers built the thing with mafia-owned low psi concrete on purpose.
Was a similar thing when Giuliani finally managed to shut down the Fulton Fish Market and folks all over NYC started coming down with scombroid food poisoning.
Not only building 7 but also building 6 blown up from the inside.
Former CIA man in denial. Your organization did this with the Air force.
like alex jones, you might find a lot of truth here… but it still needs to be watched for what they try and slip through
Nah, was those damn Russian lancets. They made really big ones back then.
Gee, that’s strange. I swear I saw two planes hitting the towers. Must’ve been holograms.
Patience, Larry…….it’s family.
I think I now know more people who believe that 9/11 was staged than who believe it was a real terrorist attack.
I really wish that the intel agencies and elected representatives and other bozos could spend two minutes a day and reflect on the long term implications of being caught lying to the public time and time again, with the final result of having absolutely zero credibility with the public at large–even when national emergencies come along that require public support. As it is, I am willing to bet that if something like this happens again in 2031, then images and footage won’t convince anyone because it could all be photoshopped.
I think I now know more people who believe that 9/11 was staged
Yeah, and I know more people that think Ukraine is winning than not. So, there you go.
Vox Populi….. go figure.
Yeah, and I know more people that think Ukraine is winning than not. So, there you go.
Me too. And once they realize that the reality is totally opposite, what little faith they ever had in their officials and media is going to disappear forever, and at huge long term cost.
On the plus side, it’s going to be impossible to get US public support for any war for a very long time.
“On the plus side, it’s going to be impossible to get US public support for any war for a very long time.”
Yea. A week or two.
Karl Rove will set them straight.
For certain! Does anyone actually believe anything they say. But I think I have been lied to since I was born that there are adults in charge of things. We are a strange bunch we humans.
I remember an article about a guy in Soviet Russia who read the paper daily because he knew they lied 100% of the time and the truth was the opposite.
Anymore I assume I am being lied to and ask myself who is making money off of this ____. People will kill some guy behind a cash register for $50. Millions and billions….???
“I think I now know more people who believe …”
“Believe” is the key word here. It’s not a matter of science or technology, but more of religion and ideology. Science is hard, and results in “I don’t know” way too many times. Belief has all the answers.
People believe in things that fit in their worldview. “Facts” can be easily cherry picked or even fabricated to support the narrative. Ukraine is winning, Russia is collapsing, aliens crashed in Roswell, German tanks are die beste (aka. Wehraboo). Material evidence was never a problem to those that want to believe.
And none of it had anything to do with Iran… or Assad,,, or the Libyan guy.. or Vladimir Putin or Saddam..And we have no idea what Zelensky thought about any of all that!
Reading up on my own comment shows 1941 construction of Pentagram involved limited steel which was reserved for arms production and heavy reliance on concrete hence only 5 floors above ground
That a plane could do so much damage shows what absence of steel entails versus WTC abundance of steel support so it is interesting
So an aluminum aircraft is stronger than a concrete wall? Let’s watch a short video of a test. Aircraft at 500mph smashed, and watch the end, concrete wall stood firm, not even a dent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4wDqSnBJ-k
Notice the wings didn’t fall in on themselves. Must be fun being an engineer at a National Lab 🙂
To be fair, this test was at a higher speed than would be expected from a commercial airliner piloted by jihadi terrorists fresh from flight training. Managing the rate of descent to hit exactly at the ground floor, that must’ve taken some practice.
That the effectiveness on the US intelligence agencies was questionable re 9/11, that doesn’t mean they organised it. For the FBI, it seems beyond their skillset and capabilities. For the CIA, it seems unlikely it would be an officially approved op.
Gotta give credit where credit is due, that Obama bin Whatsit fella hanging out in a cave in Afghanistan, getting military units stood down, others on drills, on the day of the op – that took some organising…
Well, there was a scalloped dent but hey…..where are the wings and engine ? I’ll tell you where…most of it up in a cloud of particulates along with the concrete from the dent.
Not sure if what you’re suggesting is that the the pentagon’s walls were as thick as that block of concrete but I’ve got a headache already from reading this thread so, I’m out. Besides that, most of the concrete blocks reside on the heads of the folks IN the pentagon and elsewhere, not around it – so there’s that parting thought I’ll bid adieu with.
Exactly my point in a reply above.
No way a plane can penetrate!!
The plane is destroyed, not the building!!
The whole concept of those planes cutting through the buildings like butter is utter nonsense!
Wake up Amerika, You been had!!!
This is a complete non sequitur — but Rachel Maddow had her first 15 minutes tonight presenting Putin as a murderer. She chose 911. You have to watch this —
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHyWHlU2BTo
p.s. I am without words. Obviously there is a lot of globalist money running this war.
Terrible that he’s off killing those nice people that were just doing the world a favor by killing other Ukrainians that dared believing that they had some high-falootin’ idea of having the right to not be killed.
Sorry Larry not with you on this one. WTC7 wasn’t hit by a plane and collapsed at free fall speed. WTC1 and 2 dropped into their footprint perfectly and were designed to withstand a commercial plane strike. 3 modern steel skyscrapers have suffered a total collapse in history and all on the same day. People who worked in those building did mention hearing construction noises(drilling) weeks leading up the the event and reports of fine dust inside the buildings appearing. 1 blurry video released from the Pentagon while over a hundred security cameras from the surrounding area were confiscated and the footage locked away under the guise of national security. No marks on the Pentagon walls from wings and no ruts dug into the ground from engines. Planes hit mountains made of rock and they still find most of the pieces to reassemble. Is the Pentagon stronger than a mountain?An aeronautical engineer even said the plane shouldn’t have been able to handle the G force to pull up the plane to hit the side of the Pentagon. 911 commission was formed over a year after and all the evidence was already disposed of. Too many holes and unanswered questions to accept the official story as anything but pure BS. I don’t know all that happened that day but I know it didn’t go down like they said. PNAC – New Pearl Harbor
9/11 truthers need to abandon the notion that WTC 7 collapsed at free-fall speed. It damages the 9/11 truth movement. What happened was that one side started to collapse – _not_ at free fall speed – while the other side was left standing for a few moments and then got dragged down. That increased the speed at which the other side collapsed to a degree that made it _appear_ like it fell at free fall speed. The real question to ask is why WTC 7 collapsed symmetrically into its own footprint after sustaining asymmetrical damage to its supporting columns from debris that had come from WTC 1/2.
As for WTC 1/2, structural experts have made the point ad nauseam that the supposed pancaking effect is not possible. It’s not how it would have played out. If the upper portions pancaked into the everything below them, then that should have destroyed what made the pancaking from above just like it destroyed what was being pancaked into down below. It’s the law of action and reaction. The collapse should have petered out with much of these buildings left standing. It should also have been more asymmetric if the sequence was completly uncontrolled. But that was evidently not what happened. The supposed pancaking continued symmetrically all the way down. Besides, the center columns were made of welded-together steel all the way from the bottom to the top. These steel columns were thicker at the bottom than at the top. Due to the tube-in-a-tube design of the main towers, they were also thicker overall than steel columns of a more conventional grid pattern design (as in WTC7, for example). So , how should this centre structure as sturdy as it was have “pancaked” at all?
The Pentagon jet airliner, almost fully loaded, made a difficult turn and then flew into the ground effect at the right height to hit the building just above ground level without the engines leaving a scratch on the lawn in front of the building. Did the Pentagon have a “Do not step on the lawn” sign that the hijacker at the helm was respecting? Irony off. He is supposed to have had incomplete flight training on a propeller-driven Cessna. Yes, it’s all very plausible. Again, irony off. There is a theory is he must have had flight training on a jet airliner and that it was Saudi where he received it.
9/11 truthers need to abandon the notion that WTC 7 collapsed at free-fall speed. It damages the 9/11 truth movement. What happened was that one side started to collapse – _not_ at free fall speed – while the other side was left standing for a few moments and then got dragged down. That increased the speed at which the other side collapsed to a degree that made it _appear_ like it fell at free fall speed. The real question to ask is why WTC 7 collapsed symmetrically into its own footprint after sustaining asymmetrical damage to its supporting columns from debris that had come from WTC 1/2.
As for WTC 1/2, structural experts have made the point ad nauseam that the supposed pancaking effect is not possible. It’s not how it would have played out. If the upper portions pancaked into the everything below them, then that should have destroyed what made the pancaking from above just like it destroyed what was being pancaked into down below. It’s the law of action and reaction. The collapse should have petered out with much of these buildings left standing. It should also have been more asymmetric if the sequence was completely uncontrolled. But that was evidently not what happened. The supposed pancaking continued symmetrically all the way down. Besides, the center columns were made of welded-together steel all the way from the bottom to the top. These steel columns were thicker at the bottom than at the top. Due to the tube-in-a-tube design of the main towers, the steel was also much thicker overall than in steel columns of a more conventional grid pattern design (as in WTC7, for example). So, how should this centre structure as sturdy as it was have “pancaked” at all?
The Pentagon jet airliner, almost fully loaded, made a difficult turn and then flew into the ground effect at the right height to hit the building just above ground level without the engines leaving a scratch on the lawn in front of the building. Did the Pentagon have a “Do not step on the lawn” sign that the hijacker at the helm was respecting? Irony off. Theory – He is supposed to have had incomplete flight training on a propeller-driven Cessna. Theory – He was sitting in the cockpit of a jet airliner for the first time in his life. Fact – It was not a landing sequence but it was a difficult maneuver very close to ground level. Fact – Professional pilots, after thousands of hours of flight time, mostly do not use automatic landing because they still have to exercise their flying skills continually. But the guy who possessed the biggest talent, ever, to become an aerobatic pilot made the wrong career choice and became a terrorist instead. Yes, it’s all very plausible. Again, irony off. There is a theory the hijacker must have had flight training on a jet airliner and that it was Saudi where he received it.
I think Sean M has several important points. And there are many more. I suggest checking out “Peace, War and 9/11” on Rumble, posted 8/11.
Interesting to notice the emotional swell behind LJs arguments. Having a background within US intelligence is a factor, but not argument that suddenly makes you “right” in my opinion. It’s still an open case and you can’t buy credibility by complying to the official narrative.
Bravo brother…….
Suppose a missile with a powerful warhead was mounted inside the plane, would this fit the evidence?
Younger me would’ve said that the US government knew an attack was coming and decided to capitalize on the situation rather than stop it.
Older me knows that if the the US government had any idea of the incoming attack, they were simply too stupid to actually do anything about it
They knew it was going to happen the US government pulled the exact same Playbook against Imperial Japan to go them into bombing Pearl Harbor FDR new the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor from intercepted Communications and he allowed it to happen. Same way with the CIA during 9/11. The US government is still more than capable of carrying out false flag operations if anyone needs any historical examples in recent history simply look no further than Nazi Germany when Hitler’s brown shirts burned down the German Parliament building and blamed it on members of an opposition party which never really led to Hitler taking full control of Germany’s political apparatus. If anyone genuinely believes that the US government would not carry out a false flag operation on its own soil and willingly and knowingly murder its own citizens In Cold Blood and I’m serious anyone who genuinely believes that the US government would not do such a thing you live it in a fantasy world they do it without a second thought
But, even in the case of accepting that there were three planes which impacted the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, with all what we know today about the managing and use of “fanatic islamic terrorists” by the US itself everywhere in the world, the inside conspiracy can not be discarded….
In case the question arises on why the conspirators would harm US people, well, after the Covid conspiracy, and the provocation of “war in Ukraine”, I think that the question gets out of place, since harming the US people is not any of the worries of the organizers of all this…as the evidence shows…
After the video on the audio of your intervention in that TV program, it is suggested another one with you present there in between the Twin Towers attack and that of the Pentagon….
This one, you look very young, and at the time working for the CIA….how could you hold any other opinion than the officcial at the time?No way….otherwise you would had ruined your career…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IXDP0oQJAU
Any explanation on why thousand of jewish people who worked at the towers were absent that day from job?
Anyway, nobody expects you to be sincere on this issue, as it happens in other countries with other dirty issues, this must be that your people are not mature enough to know the truth….
and now, children, you know why you must always question what a spook says even if it makes you feel good or validated.
So where were the engines? Those don’t shatter into a million little pieces.
So? Where are the engines? Did they vaporize? Did they somehow bounce into the Potomac? Did Scotty beam them up?
Just wondering? Is this guy possibly married to your sister?
@xcrockery8080
Russia lost the Cold War and is now a middle power with less economic power than Australia and Canada combined.
Russia started a war against Ukraine, and it is losing that war very, very badly.
I have no doubt planes hit and flown by Muslim fanatics. The official storyline doesn’t go deep enough though – buildings were still wired to blow and Mossad played a big part which we are not allowed to talk about.
I reject about 95% of conspiracy theories like for CIA did it to get new powers Bushies for oil because they weren’t arrested cheering that day with explosive residue on them.
Larry, I usually respect your opinions but I’m utterly shocked at your views on 9/11.
It was very likely a joint CIA and Mossad operation. Neocon and Zionist fingerprints are all over 9/11. I’m amazed you can’t see that?
Alan,
What is your experience working with Mossad or the CIA? Serious question. This is not Hollywood. I’m amazed that you believe the CIA is competent to pull this off after we’ve seen their utter incompetence in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria — and Russia as well — over the last twenty years. What info do you have to support your claim?
The 5 dancing Israelis who set up camera locations both the day before, and during the event, and were caught dancing and celebrating before quietly sent back to Mossad in Tel Aviv. Are all those hundreds of pilots and engineers wrong? I still haven’t heard you answer that other commenters question about building #7? Would you please?
Mossad is well versed in this type of operation. And even better in covering it up. I mean what more can you ask for, over 200 Israelis arrested in the aftermath, including the famous five give high fives while filming the mayhem, and a couple of months all released to enjoy themselves with our good friends in Tel Aviv
Larry, I admit I have absolutely no experience of working with either CIA or Mossad but logically that does not necessarily make me incorrect on my views of them. In fact I could argue that I am more independent in my views than you seeing as you are a former employee.
I have read a lot about their exploits (misdeeds) and now refuse to accept anything about them pushed by MSM/Hollywood.
Both very murky organisations with classified budgets but over the years enough has been revealed by ex employees of what they do.
I believe CIA is a branch of the Deep State and is a tool of, and accountable only to, the same interests who control the USG.
I believe ever since JFK no presidential candidate has been allowed who is not either controlled by or have allegiance to them. For example HW Bush was a President who was also a former Director. There have been CIA and Zionist sympathetic Presidents ever since JFK. And surely it is not to be overlooked that the prime suspect as planner for JFK was CIA employee James Jesus Angleton who had DEEP ties to Israel.
Not to mention the next President was LBJ, a crypto Jew who massively increased support for Israel.
I think it is a very top down and compartmentalised organization who will follow orders if instructed. I believe 9/11 was planned and executed principally by CIA, there is no other viable explanation, with “assistance” from Mossad. OBL, just like LHO, was a convenient patsy and had prior CIA connections.
There are many parallels between JFK and 9/11.
Larry, I have read many of your articles over the years but don’t recall you ever, and I apologize if you have already done so, stating;
1. Why you joined the CIA.
2. Why you left the CIA (unless simply retirement)
3. What you currently feel about them.
No trick questions, I’m genuinely curious.
For the record I fully agree with you regarding Ukraine but completely disagree regarding 9/11.
Larry I bet your sister is smiling as she reads these comments, saying whose the crazy one now.
The US government couldn’t do a false flag because of its incompetence, but they went to the moon … Sure.
Think of the Manhattan Project … When the US really want to kill people, they do the impossible.
Of course the standard incompetent and burocratic agencies didn’t do the dirty work. They were ordered to stand by meanwhile an had-hoc task force did it. Probably non-Americans by the way.
Americans are in a multi-layered brain-wash about the nature of their own government since the Civil War.
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US, or any other, government consists of politicians. US space program consisted of rocket scientists imported from Nazi Germany. Wernher von Braun was as competent as one can be.
The only thing politicians need to do is provide money, and let scientists do their thing as they see fit. If they interfere, they get F-35 instead of Su-35.
You can spin it one way or another, but to support the official report is the worst stupidity to say the least, to claim that the plane brought down the VTC tower is idiocy, and that both towers turn into dust, without a single piece of material, in addition to that smaller building. collapsed before it actually imploded. It’s terrible to carry it all in truth like JFK, but the monster of lies has chased away reality and one lives in an unreal life, which is more than horror, life itself is terrifying.
Nicely said. One has to look at that whole covid clown-show to see that something is entirely not ok. I’m not talking about the flu itself, but the so called “vaccine” and how the governments handled that whole thing.
It just speaks for itself. One can be sure there is something horribly wrong about what actually happened on 9/11. And yet, people don’t believe the admin officials when they talk about Ukraine winning the war … talking about dishonesty of US administration.
Guys, did you watch Ray Mcgovern on JudgeNap this am? If not, watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh28XcnpzX4 – this set of live videos show CLEARLY few shots of planes flying and hitting the buildings, especially after 6:50 min
There is, IMO, justified distrust in US ‘official’ explanations. Too much has been covered-up, ignored, lied about. Too much has happened without any accountability. Yes, that justifies deep skepicism of any ‘official’ explanation.
Looking back in time 73 years, outgoing US Presdent Eisenhower gave a prescient warning about the direction the US MIC was going. Seventy years ago, US President JFK was assasinated and the ‘official’ Warren Report was a cover-up, and his nephew, currently running for nomination openly states that it was a CIA hit. In physical reallity, there is no possibility of a magic’ bullet’. That doesn’t mean it was a Dulles, who JFK fired, rogue hit. It does mean that the truth, as was understood at the time, was covered up, and still is. There are other possible explanations, and yes, they may look weak or wrong after 70 years, but may have been more reasonable at the time. Or not. There is no perfection in human affairs.
It is no surprise that 9.11 is distrusted. Escpecially after it was used as a justification for a instituting police state measures, that have been expanded since. However questionable, there is no compelling physical evidence to support alt-theories of demolition or rocket attacks that I have seen. There is other questionable activities, such as some of the terrorist being flagged for suspiciouslly dangerous behaviors, but not arrested. Some may have been approached to work for US intel agencies. Yes, outrageous, but explainable as procedurally prudent in gathering more intel and identify networks, the leaders and target(s). This is unsatisfying to hear, and can be indicted as bureacratic crap, but not out of the ordinary or proof of conspiracy. Or it might be. There is much uncertainty, much incompetance, many mistakes that are overlooked, not noticed, until a big event focuses attention. There is justifiable distrust. Not a good mix, IMO.
Larry, your sister has good reason to distrust ‘official’ explanations. You righly overturn many such ‘official’ explantions daily. Some recent ones being Doofus Maul; pan-celtic moron (Boston, Ireland, Scotland) O’brien (Ceud mìle fàilte – A hundred thousand welcomes, Scots Gaelic, which is related but different from Irish Gaelic. Maul teaches in Scotland, get over it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx2v25PFjaw) and the trio of Winken, Blinken & Nod (nuland, blinken and brandon bidette).
Someone told me a long time ago, “You can pick your friends, you’re stuck with family”! Good Luck at the next holiday! Migh consider bringing a bottle or two of Talisker… just an idea…
Thanks, but I steer clear. She makes Drama Queens appear docile.
Here’s a summary of a scientific paper on dust samples from NYC showing what the authors conclude is thermite. The paper is linked in the summary/Medium article. https://medium.com/@Victronix/explosives-found-in-world-trade-center-dust-cef779fa132f
Yes, and that is exactly why Bldg 7 collapsed too: the airplanes. The accepted account also explains why everything was demolished in the airplanes: luggage, passengers, all personal effects: God miraculously preserved the passports of the two terrorists from destruction and made it easy to discover them on the ground: God added a little dust to make it look good so that people would not be suspicious about how these two documents conveniently survived the fire and explosions the turned everything else into dust. And everyone knows that airplane fuel melted WTC iron into a molten state even though it does not burn hot enough to melt steel and keep it in a molten state for weeks: another miracle from God just to make people suspicious. Brother, these conspiracy nuts can drive one crazy. . .thank goodness someone has all the answers! Nothing here to make one suspicious. And the evidence from engineers and physicists who disagree with the “official story” should be ignored: who is referred to here? Well, those crazies who wrote their findings which are available here (for anyone stupid enough to question anything the government claims): https://www.nist.gov/system/files/documents/2017/04/28/AE911Truth-NIST-Written-Submission12-18-07.pdf TRUE SCIENTISTS NEVER QUESTION ANYTHING: if they do, they clearly demonstrate they are unejumakated.
True. Same as it was with covid. All of the sudden the whole science sphere and decades of empirical experience/knowledge about health and medicine was dead wrong on this one. Now some people a paying for obeying the officials with their lives or their health. Somehow covid is much easier to imagine as some sort of agenda than the blowing up of a building after hitting it with something that looked like a plane. Many things defy reason or simple physics, but whatever. There is literary zero footage of it. Especially after the first hit, when everyone eyes were turned onto the situation. But that is probably just god’s work again.
Mr. Johnson did something very bad today. He opened the lid on something he shouldn’t have. He will have a pretty busy day today 🙂
Plausible deniability.
Humor me. Use the mRNA as an example. Helped some…crippled some… neutral on some…ok?
World Trade Centers…some was terrorist… some was govt…some was dark arts. Remember… the banking records were incinerated…. the Pentagon is still short a trillion or two…
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/92323861088594773/
They cover their tracks. If you attempt the logic train that most of the US govt budgets…especially military budgets are controlled by a mafia…your math will gain function and results.
Mark, I don’t know your background. I spent over 30 years working in an inter-agency environment holding TS clearances, including being read into several SAPS. What the hell is “dark arts?” If the CIA was as competent as you believe the US would be crushing Russia in Ukraine.
You touched on it a bit in another thread – the resources to pull off this stunt would be immense. It would take a small army to do it, and then how do you get the demolition to start at the top and work down? Usually you blow the bottom out first.
As to peripheral buildings, most of these buildings have their own backup power, diesel requiring fuel tanks. You can’t have a major 24/7 financial district running the risk of power outages (remember the blackouts?). Under the circumstances it wouldn’t take much to set those off too.
As to destroyed records/missing gold or money (if any really was missing), well, it’s pretty normal for opportunists to take advantage in these situations. If you want a more plausible conspiracy theory, maybe gold/assets that only existed on paper but had been loaned out as collateral against derivatives conveniently disappeared so it wouldn’t be discovered that it didn’t exist.
Maybe there were those who took advantage of the disaster, maybe not, we don’t know, but those kinds of shenanigans are far more likely and plausible than the demolition theories. How do guys surreptitiously wire up pillars in open offices 60 floors up to start the collapse? And nobody noticed? Really?
People seems to believe that demolitions are now done the old way with long wires. If somebody wants to bring down a huge buildings like the towers, would:
1- Use radio detonators no wired ones.
2- Would need a copy of the structure of the building to study and find the key points to locate the charges.
3- Would use a benign activity to justify their work in the buildings (like “electricians doing maintenance”)
4- Time to do the work. Would 3 months enough or 6 months?
Demolition is not that complicated after all.
Did any government agency do any investigation on all the contractors/employees that did maintenance on the building the prior 5 years?
Did any government agency did any investigation to rule out possible use of explosives to bring down the towers?
i AM TRULY surprised by how closed your mind is on anything not gov narrative concerning 911.Your daily missives of the last 18 months show a willingness to consider alternate conclusions.Not so with 911.Is it the same with JFK?911 commision?Warren commission?I see a pattern here.
But, its is not the same attacking unaware civil people, who will be unable to respond you back, mainly because of the initial shock of unexpecting event, that to attack a superpower armed to the teeth that has been folllowing you all the way while you were building up your offensive in Ukraine´s borders and has a working strong intelligence and military apparatus built over decades of learning and success since WWII….
You can be succesfull at that first endeavour, and not at the second, for obvious reasons of not having opposition at all in the first case, and having all the means of a state monopoly of violence at your hand….
Anyway, they got succesful in starting WOT to be able to steal oil all over the worls while destroying and sending to the stone age the states who possed some opposition to Israel regime in the Middle East where they could, and passing US laws to constrain US liberties necessary for establishing the inability on the part of the US people to stopt unending war, and the current ongoing transfer of wealth from the taxpayers to the MIC corporations, of which a huge bunch gets for sure between the fingers of the enablers at the secret services…
It seems the CIA is competent enough to bring down governments around the world and install puppets in place. JFK’s assassination started to appear to be also one of them. False flags are not that difficult to carry out if you have the resources like CIA has.
I have the impression that the CIA is not one homogeneous organization but more like a little feudal kingdom. The darkest groups may not be known by all the people living in the kingdom.
Larry,
Dark arts is just a catch all phrase for intell agencies of all types… in particular govt clandestine agencies. Maybe just a local dialect phrase we use in the Pacific North West USA>
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DARPA contractors and so forth… just shop talk. What every you do…don’t leave anything on your desk… all that stuff. “Keep it dark” “Lot’s of dark arts on that Navy contract we had”.
You are undoubtedly correct on the CIA bumbling…you had a life time to observe it….. Undoubtedly there was a period of history when they were a sharp edge.
Hopefully the agencies will shape up and reform for the good of the country they serve. It’s not a good time in history to have weak intell agencies.
https://rielpolitik.com/2023/09/11/thr-9-11-psy-opera-how-36-reporters-brought-us-the-twin-towers-explosive-demolition-on-9-11/
A college classmate of mine once told another guy (one none of us liked and generally shunned):
“My brother is crazy. He keeps insisting you are a no-good sonuva, a lying and dishonest piece of scum who wouldn’t hesitate to stab us in the back if you stood to gain something from it.” I try to convince him he is wrong but he prefers to believe those who have the same opinion about you. What can I say? He is crazy.”
I don’t know why he did that.
Show your sister this short and compelling explanation of 9/11:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXYswf3lzU8
There are too many big elephants in the room. So this topic should be discussed seriously and without malice.
Maybe it’s not a room, but a circus tent.
In the news: Israeli Officials Make First Ever Public Visit To Saudi Arabia… on 9/11 of all days, as zerohedge noted.
Maybe a symbolic way of saying without uttering it the caution: “Behave or we’ll get the Americans to trot out again the bit that goes “The Saudis did 9/11.”
You have the sword of Damocles over your heads.
Damocles is a euphemism for “declassified’
I suspect the problem in all of this are the words ‘belief’ or ‘believe’. People feel dislocated because the world comes at them in digital bits; in order to cope with the concomitant psychological vertigo they hunker over their ‘beliefs’ like religious fundamentalists enraptured by a sacred text.
So a theory about this or that event becomes a religion of the mind, an incontestable truth. Anyone who disagrees is a heretic – hence Larry’s sister’s invocation to ‘repent’.
According to her, Larry is a heretic, a sinner who has erred from the sacred text of her truth, her belief.
In many ways she is an example of a greater malaise – the decline in public discourse – wherein debate, and the scepticism it naturally encourages, has been replaced by targeting algorithms that coerce language and ideas into ghettoised echo chambers. Most social forums are inhabited by people who think alike; they swap the same conspiracy creeds and articles of ‘factual’ faith. Anyone who enters these ghettos with an alternative spin or an alternative road map is immediately outed as an ‘unbeliever’.
We see this phenomenon everywhere. From the Wokeist virtue signallers to the conspiracy purists the same temple drum is a-beating: I am right! I am right! I am right!
Of course there are certain principles and ideas that are correct. Gravity exists. Joe Biden is corrupt. The moon isn’t made of cheese (I think). There is nothing wrong with standing your ground when defending fundamental facts.
But theories have to fall under the rubric of scientific methodologies; that is to say, ‘this is my idea, my theory – now let’s test it according to the available facts’.
If the facts are contested and not easily verifiable then we have to keep a relatively open mind – because we all have to endure the agon of debate if we wish to grow emotionally and spiritually.
Believers don’t think like the above. They begin their enquiry with a deep seated psychological need that they fail to identify; when an idea or theory comes along that feeds this subconscious psychological frailty – the ego monster, no less – they latch on to it, holding on for dear life, the proverbial ship wrecked survivor clinging to the detritus of ideological flotsam.
So I say, don’t believe – think.
Think deeply. Listen. Discuss ideas. Climb over the walls of your own prejudices and find out what others think.
Above all, stay rational. Cool minded. Level headed.
Larry’s excellent website is a fine example of this cool minded rationality. He isn’t a believer – he is a thinker. He doesn’t expound the holy book of his own prejudices. If he has a holy mission of any kind it is to spread the gospel of rational debate; he does this admirably – with humour, principle and vigour.
We sorely need this rational spirit in our credulous world, stuffed as it is with tub-thumping digital believers, media zealots and moral Pharisees.
Take heart Larry – you are not alone.
You ought not to badmouth your sister to the world. Poor form. And cruel, as she has no equivalent platform to entertain us with your faults.
Fine. You adopt her. Can’t think of a better outcome. Hang with her for a month and then come tell me what a wonderful person she is.
Of course, she must be (wonderful) she’s your sister.
I have a friend who believes in ALL conspiracies. Obviously he’s a flat earther. There is a point where they’re so crazy that they’re intolerable. Not so psychotic that they have a medical excuse, but just shy of that.
Believe me brother, I fully understand. I’d like to have an adult relationship with my sister, but her obsession with this crazy stuff is beyond the reach of reason.
She probably got the looks, you got the brain cells – or maybe you got both!
Calling someone a dim-witted, because they believe in something different is indeed a tool of the weaker mind. At least when there is equally strong evidence supporting both sides.
People always can agree to disagree. This should then be left like that.
Calm down, will you?
1. Do you know for a fact that Larry’s sister is a real person and not a fictional character used as a rhetorical device?
2. If he does have a sister, do you know for a fact that she harbors conspiratorial opinions on 9/11 that enrage him so much that he feels compelled to call her an idiot publicly?
I give him the benefit of doubt as being a potentially decent brother who is just “jivin’ “.
3. He may have just used the rhetorical device of an imaginary questioner of official dogma to deliver his own (official) conclusions. It’s not exactly an example of Socratic dialog although it is possible that Plato is required read at CIA.
You are all wrong. I did it. With my death ray. Directed at earth from the planet Mongo.
A most interesting thread.
Obviously a great many Americans are more willing to believe that the deep state are evil geniuses capable of first conceiving and then pulling off a massive and extremely complex operation without any leaks and keeping it secret for 20 years than they are that Islamic terrorists could execute a bold, but much simpler, plan to give Uncle Sam a black eye.
… even though the terrorists for years had been specializing in brilliant, suicidal acts to further their cause.
… and no amount of evidence or expert testimony will sway them in their faith
The faith is called American Exceptionalism. Deep state consists of geniuses, because they are Muricans. Foreigners are incompetent by default.
How is it that a large body of construction engineers declare unequivocally that the twin towers could not have collapsed on their own, in situ, by the crashing of one large plane on each of them? The buildings had been designed to withstand such eventuality. How is it that they collapsed vertically, precisely, sequentially, from top to bottom? It is clearly seen on publicly available footage.
How is it that building seven collapsed on its own, several hours later, without being hit by any flying object?
The planes hit the towers alright, but their impact could have not brought them down as they did.
How is it that the JFK’s assassination conspiracy is still believed to have been a lone-man’s job by a vast majority of the unthinking mobs? They pulled that one off, didn’t they?
Overweening arrogance and a sense of impunity lead people to carry our mad, criminal enterprises… repeatedly – as Putin suggested not long ago.
I read your column daily Larry, but with respect you’re out of your depth wrt WTC7.
The uni of fairbanks Alaska phd engineers spent 2 years modeling that building in two separate top engineering software packages.
The only way they could replicate the observed collapse in software was by the simultaneous failure of all the supporting columns.
Intelligence and media are mutable. The laws of physics are not. What cannot happen, dud not happen.
Who, how or why that building was demolished we don’t know. But from an engineering standpoint there is precisely zero chance it dropped as it did from fire, debris impact etc. Perhaps all the supporting columns just gave in to simultaneous grief?
With that firmly established, the question is was it just a coincidence it was demolished the same day as the attacks on WTC1 and 2?
Yes, the Pentagon BS is misdirection. WTC 7 is the real mystery. The NY Post did a story on that. The other mystery, maybe connected, is what happened in Memphis. I know a long time police officer and starting with the death of Dr. Wiley through the death of Ms. Smith – they knew something was off. Then the bizarre thing that happened to O.C. Smith.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/18/us/nation-challenged-suspicious-death-memphis-fraud-case-long-clues-but-short.html
Building 7, end of file.
Yep. No one can TRULY deny that Building 7 was brought down by controlled demolition. The building was still standing for 20 minutes in the background after reporters said – on camera! – “We now have word that Building 7 has collapsed.”
Who gave them their script is the only question that needs to be answered.
Seeing the plane does not mean it hit the Pentagon. Two distinct and different facts.
Those objects in front of the Pentagon, did they have serial numbers on them, which could help determine they came from the plane, not a plane?
In my personal opinion, while teh hit itself was carried out by foreign nationals, at some high instituional level, the amrican intelligence community knew about the hit and allowed it happen.
Why anyone would allow such thing to happen, you may ask? That’s a very good question, and I’m glad you’ve asked.
You see, for everyone who wasn’t living in the US, it was obvious that the american society started to fracture in the mid-90s; I’m pretty sure that the trend didn’t escaped the people in charge of the american IC. And nothing unites a divided nation like an obvious, common external enemy. Furthermore, under the aegis of the military necessity one may pass a lot of restrictive laws (especially if they infract personal freedoms) without much opposition (which, I believe, happened and still happens). And if the population feels insecure and at danger, it may trade a lot of freedoms for false security. Until it’s too late.
I watched the “Loose Change” documentary at the time, and it made some impact. At that time I was living in the Netherlands, and they produced a program to analyze it with experts, and see what made sense and what didn’t. Most of “Loose Change” could be debunked, or at least many affirmations were demonstrated to lack foundation, or at least to be doubtful. But I remember very clearly how a demolition expert explained that the Twin Towers had NOT been demolished by explosives, that what we could see in the video was consistent with the official story. Then they showed him how Building 7 collapsed and he said “See? That is no doubt a real demolition. You can see all the signs. When did this happen?” When they told him it had happened the same day, man, the expression on his face was a poem. He had just explained how such a demolition takes days to plan and execute. He could only conclude that this demolition had been programmed in advance.
So, I don’t pretend to know the truth, and I’m extremely skeptical (especially towards conspiracy theories) and I’m also a fervent believer in Occam’s Razor, but things like this were never explained, and having such unexplained events in the frame of the whole picture strongly fuels conspiracy theories, obviously.
So I have to conclude that the conspiracy theories don’t explain it, but neither does the official version.
That’s an intelligent response. The thing is we don’t know. But we can speculate. The problem with conspiracy theorists is how convinced they are. Then it becomes faith. A religion. And then rational debate is lost. In other words: the internet!
Back in 2006 Danny Jowenco said this about Building 7. https://www.facebook.com/mickmichaels2030/videos/in-memory-of-danny-jowenko-1955-2011-controlled-demolition-expert/783912142558454/
He died in a mysterious car crash in 2011.
RIP Danny.
Tanks for your honesty.
“Blame my crazy sister. She . . . has done nothing . . . to acquire a genuine education.”
I am assuming you are being sarcastic. Assuming of course that one can even get an education other than the one some ideologues want you to have.
Education was supposed to open you up to the world, not shut you down and recoil from it, exclaiming: “What a shit hole.”
“The deceased General Stubblebine is fundamentally and factually wrong. The dude failed to understand what a concrete/block wall does to a jet airliner traveling over 300 miles per hour.”
What kind of fundamentals are you working with, Larry?
The arguments that claim the towers came down because of charges being detonated seems a bit like overkill.
Why go to all the logistical trouble of coordinating multi target attacks to crash planes in to, and then blow up the twin towers. It would have made more planning sense just to blow the towers up and save all the hard work of planning the plane attacks.
All this time after the attacks and it still isn’t clear exactly how all this ended up as a successful mission.
Whilst you’re all here, hows about explaining how all the US security dollars proved to be a waste of money.
At the roulette table it is best practice to place everything on cockup, not conspiracy…_
You simply can’t install that much explosives undetected to bring down those buildings and call it a terrorist attack. Telling people that alloy hitting steal could do it is more plausible. The fire!!! melted everything. Buildings had fires for decades and no buildings have collapsed, but hey … what do people know.
My point here … it was not perfect and it lead to many people questioning the whole thing, but they stuck with it and that’s it. JFK was shot by Oswald, a commie with a WW2 rifle and several magic bullets. They just make it looks like whatever they want and in the end declare it was as they say. No mention that JFK took money making from FED and printed/issued his own dollars. Only mentioned in one sentence on wikipedia.
It happened before it will happen again. False flag, whatever …
The wreckage was not enough for a whole plane. Sorry, but tons of alloy and metal don’t disintegrate into nothing.
There are a lot of things that don’t add up. People are wise to be suspicious. That is all I’m saying. I personally don’t believe the official story. That is what my gut tells me when I consider all the things I read about 9/11.
Why would people lie about **not** seeing a **plane** crash into that building? Same question goes to people who say they saw a plane go into that building. So why do we have witnesses for both?
Inconveniently the Neocons wrote a white paper and followed through on their plan the dual passport holders rigged drones
The planes were certainly hijacked and flown to a location where the passengers were murdered , and the planes were dumped in one of the vast planes graveyards for former military planes.
Drones were used to attack the towers for theatre , and false special effects footage was supplied to the TV news to show actual size planes.
The towers were demolished.
So called “Israel” working through its mafia connections in the port authority and intrinsic in that state destroyed the towers and high ranking members of the U.S. regime essentially their slaves and agents and paid place-men covered it up.
This is all because of Goering setting the Reichstag on fire. Nobody with or without an education will trust a government entirely again. And they are right.
I think Sean M has several important points. And there are many more. I suggest checking out “Peace, War and 9/11” on Rumble, posted 8/11.
Interesting to notice the emotional swell behind LJs arguments. Having a background within US intelligence is a factor, but not argument that suddenly makes you “right” in my opinion. It’s still an open case and you can’t buy credibility by complying to the official narrative.
Hello Sirs… my first comment , so please don’t bash me too much.
I remember I read a lot of years ago (2007) a book wrote by an English Colonel where he indicated that the supposed arab pilots were trained in a CIA owned flight school…
Military Intelligence Blunders
John Hughes-Wilson
My two cents…
Larry, I can’t comment on what happened at the Pentagon on September 11th because I have not investigated it as much as what transpired at the World Trade Centre due to the fact that I am a New Yorker, I am a certified Civil Engineer who worked as a Civil Engineer in New York in the late 80s before I switched to Information Technology and I have former classmates who were involved in the assessment of the site for insurance purposes. First of all, if you understand the New York City building codes you would know that it is not even in the realm of possibilities for a plane nor for plane fuel to burn hot enough to overcome the asbestos lining nor the steel in which every building at that time was required to have to meet the New York City building codes. Please feel free to look them up yourself, it is not difficult to find copies of the building codes from the 1980s online. Also one of the things which we studied at university were how to do controlled demolitions using thermite. If you watch and listen to the videos of people in lower Manhatten as well as the testimony of first responders you will discover that many of them talk about hearing the popping sound which is distinctive to the use of thermite charges being exploded just before the towers begin to fall as well as the manner in which they fell. I won’t even start on building 7 in which only in a parallel world of fairy tales can one find a “coherent” reason for its collapse. So I can’t speak to the Pentagon but I am happy to discuss with absolute conviction that there was no rational reason for the World Trade Centre to fall on 911
To me there are too many un-explainable events and observations for this to have “just” been a simple terrorist attack – that the “US Govt agencies” knew nothing about in advance.
Any comments on some of the points raised in this article Mr Johnson?
https://expose-news.com/2023/09/11/what-really-happened-on-911/?cmid=af70a6c3-10e3-4d15-909f-e15b0451d73f
If there can be $5bn spent on a regime change aka Orange Color Revolution in the Ukraine in order to eventually start a war with Russia in order to try and topple the Russian Government – I am not sure why the scenario that there may have been “Govt agencies” involved in 9/11 is completely dismissed ?
Regime change operations are too big to hide, at some point there will be sufficient data to connect the points and arrive to explanations.
When dealing with activities bordering unethical and illegality, we must understand we’re dealing with organizations, which have associated incompetence and corruption, after all institutions constraining individual action. And people start talking until truth reach the street.
Larry’s sister is right. He’s controlled opposition. Just another CIA/MIC/whatever you can come up with stooge.
Ah yes, that’s your play? Call names instead of argue facts. Clever.
I suspect Larry has not read David Ray Griffith nor Webster Tarpley and Christopher Bollyn
https://archive.org/details/Solving911TheDeceptionThatChangedTheWorld_20181125
Every time I remind WTC I think at Ayn Rand.
“Who are the government officials to tell me how to build a skyscraper ? ” … then disaster strike.
Karma is a bitch.
It could not have been an inside job as keeping it secrect would be impossible.
USS Liberty? JFK? Covid 19 safe and effective and total immunity for big pharma?
You prove my point. The evidence of the lies surrounding Covid 19 and immunity for big pharma are quite public No secrets there. Ditto for USS Liberty. We know what was done, the USG chose to ignore and give Israel a pass. Thanks for playing.
We know what was done on 9 11 too. All public knowledge. It’s just that you don’t or won’t know. It took 40 years for the Liberty to become ‘public’. Being a former employee of CIA is not a plus.
WTC7 (unhit) and its obviousely controlled colapse?
Observed on 9/11:
– the four planes
– the hit and controlled looking collapse of tower 1
– the hit and controlled looking collapse of tower 2
– the controlled collapse of WTC 7, which did not get hit
– the Pentagon hit
– the crash/hit in Shanksville
Larry took the Pentagon hit off the table.
The following THEORIES are to be discussed:
– all hits real, no controlled collapses (official narrative)
-all hits real, WTC7 controlled collapse
-all hits real, WTC7 and Twin Towers controlled collapse
-all hits made up, towers & pentagon controlled collapse/blown up
(Far fetched:
– some hits made up & controlled collapse/blown up
-hits real but ‘special’ planes, & controlled collapse/blown up)
The cautious theory strongly supported by video evidence is all hits real/WTC7 controlled collapse.
The realistic theory strongly supported by video evidence is all hits real/WTC7 and Twin Towers controlled collapse.
That’s what video looks like to an objective observer.
Agencies:
an assumed perp doesn’t have to use the agencies to plan and execute. Can go off the books/offshore.
Prior knowledge:
my conclusion above implies that SOMEBODY knew of the pending attacks in advance. Namly the one who did the controlled collapse of all three towers (or WTC7). This conclusion is compatible with the ‘agencies incompetent’ assumption.
Conclusion based on video evidence and logic:
SOMEBODY knew that the plane attacks would happen and blew up at least WTC7, likely all three towers that day. This SOMEBODY could be the perps themselves, or a third party.
Systematic ignoring of WTC7 in the investigations tells us that the US government was involved in the attacks in some (unspecified) way.
Many valid points. There was 860,000 tones of concrete in each tower. What energy can pulverize 860,000 tones of concrete into a powder cloud?
That question answers everything. It’s a question of physics.
Simples, strangely the answer is in your question – the energy of hundreds of thousands of tones of falling concrete coming to a complete stop.
This is by far the most sensible analysis to date.
I’m not a conspiracy theories fan, but I think that deep state had knowledge of what was cooking and allow it to happen, to use it as an excuse to unleash the neocon agenda (invasions in foreign countries, sulveillance state etc.). I remind the report that terrorists didn’t care about landing proceedures during training – a report that was send to authorities, to no avail.
It’s more handy to use some useful idiots (like indoctrinated fanatics) to do the job (even by wasting their own lives) than use agents who may hasitate, change their minds or even talk about it some day…
Larry, I resent you lumping us in with your “Crazy Sister,” just so you can tell us not so much how much you know, but how much more than us you know.
We are living in a world where the reign of terror of anonymous sources, the un-named expert, the fully controlled, fully owned, fully manipulated mainstream media bimbo, is at an end. Except it’s probably only started. All you have to do is make a living calling the good bad and the bad good. Stir the pot.
When all else fails, people don’t have to know anything. They can feel the truth. They can taste it. They can touch it with their own hands.
Reading your responses to the comments have one thing in common. They are all fairly typical and routine in that they all exhibit a strikingly patronizing and condescending attitude towards the rest of us — the Hoi Polli.
You must have left your secret decoder ring at home that day. You must have been out playing golf the day they taught: “The observations of all observers are equally valid.”
From where I’m sitting, the Aristos, the scum of the Earth, have taken over. “I’m from FILL IN THE BLANK [the press, the CIA, Deep Throat, one more Kennedy, the Warren Commision, my doctor, my attorney, any health care professional, oxymorons like intelligence experts, any American institution, any professional politician, our militarized police forces]. At this point the list is endless.
Except “[the] public at large naively believes . . . .”
“We’re here to help.” In a world where you will have a job, a house, a home, a car, an income, a job, a family, until somebody doesn’t like you, and then you will not.
Except “[the] public at large naively believes . . . .”
Katie Couric? Katie Couric called?
“Within minutes my phone went off. It was one of Katie Couric’s producers at the Today Show. She said, “Katie wants you on the air.””
In a hundred years who is going to give a shit? Sorry.
“We’ve got to get you on the air.”
Oh please, Larry.
“Within minutes?” And a telephone booth? Superman much?
“[The US Government was] able to pull off a massive conspiracy and keep it quiet 22 years later? Sorry, I do not believe in fairy tales.”
Except “[the] public at large naively believes . . . .”
Larry, I was in Dealey Plaza in 2015, visiting the Texas School Book Depository, on a cold crowded January day, just after an ice storm had come through, along with thousands of people, voices from all over the world, who should have been home celebrating the remains of Christmas and New Years Day with their loved ones and family. Instead they were here in Dallas, paying their respects to one of your “fairy tales.” A fairy tale that took place over 50-years ago. And people still have not gotten over what people like yourself still insist upon telling people like me didn’t take place.
“The public at large naively believes . . . .”
There you go again, Larry.
Here’s what I believe. I believe that you cannot place a people on an endless war footing, with threats of endless war, and actual endless warmongering. They go insane.
I believe that our government needed a Reichstag fire and 9/11 was it. If buildings collapsed as easily as the Twin Towers and Building Seven did nobody would go inside buildings. Still, people still go inside buildings. That is what you object to, Larry.
“The public at large naively believes . . . .”
You would think that if planes fell out of the sky as easily, as they did on 9/11, nobody would fly. And yet, here we are. We have complete system meltdowns like with Southwest Airlines. We have mandatory mask mandates and jab mandates resulting in pilot shortages and flight crew shortages. Still, people go about their business. That is what you object to, Larry.
“The public at large naively believes . . . .”
With attitudes and behavior like this, mainly by crazy people, the end of the world is sure to come. It’s inevitable.
“The public at large naively believes . . . .”
World War 3 will be a gift when it comes. And with the way things are, and the way things are headed, you better pretty well pray that World War 3 comes.
It’s time for review of all buildingstandards now we know that kerosin can evenly weaken a building at the same time and fall like a ball. And the furniture fire inside the building 7 that toke out the receipts for 2 trillion and Enron headache. Wounder what happend with all ponzi scheme Eron was digged into?
Building 7 apparently stored _a lot_ of inconvenient records.
Martin Armstrong has also commented on this quite a bit as some of those records concerned his court case and IMO illegitimate incarceration.
Yes, I’m familiar with Martin’s views. I think he is wrong. The only person I know who personally witnessed the event, who was in the building (a NYFD officer) said it was on fire and scoffed at the controlled demolition claim.
When has a fire brought down a concrete/steel building? What a complete nonsensical assertion. What a ridiculous notion.
I remember from reading a book on architecture in the 1980’s that after the incident during WW2 when a bomber flew into the Empire State Building when it was misty, that New York building regulations required any new buildings could withstand the impact of the biggest aircraft at that time. If WTC1 and 2 would be able to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707, it should be able to handle a 757 which is not that much bigger and likely almost as heavy.
Also, the at the time best demolition expert in the Netherlands Danny Jowenko rejected that WTC1 and 2 were brought down with controlled demolition, as that would blow up the ground floor and let the rest drop on its footprint (which still does not explain why both buildings did and not fall asymetrically). However, WTC7 definitely showed all the signs of controlled demolition (vertical break in the center, followed by vertical desintegration starting on the ground floor). Danny Jowenko made an estimate how many people and how much time would be required to blow up WTC7, and concluded that doing that on the same day would be next to impossible. See for example: http://www1.ae911truth.org/home/550-jowenko.html.
Strange that the guy died a few years later due to a car accident.
Although WTC7 caught fire in the morning and being “pulled” by 6 pm, I will not go there.
Maybe Larry can answer me one question. There was 425,000 cubic yards of concrete or 860,000 tons.
Now, all the Intelligence and how was it done and who done it aside, wait for it, WHAT KIND OF ENERGY PULVERIZED 860,000 TONES OF CONCRETE?
We all have seen the dust cloud, so please don’t even tell me that a kerosene fire or jet fuel pulverized all the concrete up and down two towers, or, Thermite melted the steel. Not interested.
There is only one type of energy that can accomplish the pulverization of such a quantity of concrete in such a short time.
I understand the reluctance to begin to ponder such a fact, it is painful. Facing such evil is scary.
Salient point that “The Pile” at ground zero and Manhattan to Brooklyn was all a pile of dust.
See photos of the 11-story condo collapse in Surfside, FL, which pancaked. Pictures show the distinct edge of concrete slabs, although broken and cracked, of each floor piled like a splay of playing cards. Not dust pile — but broken concrete chunks.
To understand the difference of gravity energy required between broken concrete and concrete dust, do this:
— get a chunk of concrete and a sledge hammer,
— swing the sledge to bust your concrete chunk,
— now keep swinging until you get concrete dust.
Catch your breath. See the difference as measured by your muscles?
Dust piling a Tower with force of gravity is as preposterous (physically impossible) as putting a bucket over a standard red brick with a burning firecracker taped on, >POP< then lifting the bucket to find a pile of red dust.
Needs more firecracker. (Pre-planted exposives.)
Don’t be ridiculous. There is a big difference in the forces generated from the collapse of a 110 story building compared to a 20 story condo. Let me guess, you were a political science major? No STEM for you.
Maybe ponder on the almost unimaginable amount of kinetic energy contained in hundreds of thousands of tones of falling concrete and then released when the same said contrete comes to a dead stop!
Just because conspiracies do occur, it does not mean that everything is a conspiracy.
“SEPTEMBER 12 2001 HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH UKRAINE’S ULTIMATE FATE”
It was on September 12th 2001 that everything changed to such a degree that the process began where twenty one years later Ukraine would be destroyed. On that date the decisions were made which sealed its fate irrevocably. On that date and the days and weeks following the men and women who would ensure Ukraine’s demise were put in place and others removed. Pragmatism died that day as did diplomacy in its truest sense. Warriors replaced peacemakers, hawks replaced doves, bridge-burners replaced those who would build them. Good sense and logical thought were dispensed with. North American foreign policy was altered irrevocably that day. And from that day onward Ukraine was doomed.
https://russianplatform.blogspot.com/2023/09/september-12-2001-has-everything-to-do.html?lr=1
Don’t feed the trolls 🙂
It’s easy to follow some orwelian explanation of reality when we don’t have the facts.
“Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t.” – Mark Twain.
but after a so disappointing performance of the intelligence services, how it can be explained that there were no accountability for the responsabilities of those that didn’t see the elephant in the room? how is possible that a such large organization passed completely unnoticed? one can believe that there are sometimes incompetents in key postion, but that’s too much of incompetence. and the lack of response about this incompetence leads to conspiracy theories
Well said, Larry.
I’ve never understood the conspiracy theory that 9/11 was an inside job. It has never made any sense at all, and as you say the US natsec Swamp wasn’t competent enough to pull it off, anyway.
This outrage was what it was – a very well planned and executed terror attack by AlQaeda against symbolic western and US targets, on American soil.
It followed a series of very well planned and executed attacks by the same group outside the US but also on US soil.
It was a horror of a day, I remember it well. A despicable act of mass murder.
And an embarrassment for the US? Absolutely. The natsec apparatus was outplayed – badly – by these terrorists, and it seems some high level Saudis at the time, as well.
The frightening part is that the very same US natsec state seems to have learned nothing. If anything, they are less competent now, than in 2000/2001.
I don’t remember where I was when I heard Elvis had died, but for me 9/11 is etched in my memory,
it happened while I was at work, we had the radio on all day, at one point I went out and stood in the yard and looked into the sky, we were on one of the flight paths approaching Gatwick and I was wondering how big this event was going to get, would it happen elsewhere, what was happening was completely outside of my frame of reference based on what had happened in my life before,
after work I dropped in at the pub, they had the tv from upstairs set up in the back bar and we all crowded round watching the evening news, they showed video of the second plane going into the towers and the towers going down, over and over,
I distinctly remember a sense of awe, of actually being impressed by the sheer audacity of whoever had pulled off this stunt,
a sense of ‘this is payback’, if you keep dishing it out someone is going to take a pop back at you,
but most of all I felt a sense of dread “what are the Americans going to do in response to this?”
from this day on a rollercoaster of events was started, every vested interest climbed onto his particular hobby horse and started riding it for all it was worth,
claims were made immediately that seemed too soon and too assured to be the honest conclusion of deliberation,
conflicting information emerged that spread doubt,
I’ve never felt 100% sure about anything other than what I saw with my eyes on tv that day,
I think the conspiracy aspect is blowback from the govt. the establishment’s inability to ever be honest and open about anything, since the JFK assasination and probably back to the beginning of time,
the only way to dismiss theories is it be as open and honest as possible, to be sincere, to build up a proven track record of transparency, to be demonstrably honest,
this is something govt’s seem incapable of doing,
most people accept me as being an honest person because I try to be honest with myself and extend that courtesy to the others around me, even telling them the things they don’t want to hear, even though they are true,
the toxic thing about American exceptionalism is the overweening pride that manifests, an inability to be reflective, to admit mistakes, to accept having to eat crow now and them,
I’m British, our illustrious history of cockups, blunders and mistakes goes back centuries if not millennia, 1066 anyone?
it’s only when you can be honest with yourself that you can be liberated from your delusions and move on, if you recognise mistakes you stand a better chance of not making the same mistake again,
after 9/11 I dearly hoped that America would be magnanimous, take it on the chin, take a new foreign policy approach to the world,
but I knew it was a vain hope,
I think we’re at a very similar point today, if the guys that are in Washington could say “what the hell are we doing, this is ridiculous!”
pick up the phone, talk to the other side, concede they have some points of concern, meet up and talk it through, well, we could move into a totally new world era,
but I just don’t think American exceptionalism will let them do it.
I also remember what I was doing…I was at the beach, on holidays, which I was enyoing here at home…
I received a call from my brother telling me they were attacking the Twin Towers at NYC…My first response, from the beach, where I had no internet connection nor access to images, with that ancient mobile phone I had at the time, was that that was a set, like “War of the Worlds” by Orson Wells ti pursue a result from the people…
Since then, I have tested, we have not stopped losing purchasing power and de facto started the huge transfer of wealth from the working classes to the elites we have ongoing witnessed all these decades, one would say without being too misslead that it was “War of Terror on the Peoples” which started then…with that event, it marked a before and an after….for sure, hence its impact….
The second twist was the “Covid pandemic”, which orchestrated the final, open and direct requisitioning and definitive loss of freedoms by the masses….
You shouldn’t forget that what the US can best is creating narratives.
Larry
Your sister may be among the tin foil hat brigade
But surely not the National Institute of Standards & Technology?
Their final Nov. 2008 report on WTC bldg 7 is 130 pages of techno engineer speak presenting the public with a plausible explanation for that collapse.
However, in pgs 86 – 88 they confirm free fall of the top 18 stories.
That’s concrete dropping at the speed of gravity.
Like when one jumps from a plane and there’s nothing under your feet.
For WTC7 there was nothing under the top 18 stories
It’s impossible to explain that without admitting the structure beneath had ceased to exist, in an instant, all over it’s entire footprint.
The only explanation that satisfies the proven physics is a controlled demolition.
No if’s or buts
The report proves fore knowledge which means many months of planning & execution
I can’t comment on the Pentagon except that it was part of the same flawless operation.
Nothing left to chance
Plane or no plane, it was planned well in advance
As was the entire public spectacle
Oh, and the wrong people accused, murdered or in Guantanamo
https://www.nist.gov/el/final-reports-nist-world-trade-center-disaster-investigation
Larry, why do those random pieces of sheet metal lack scorch or burn marks? The Pentagon is one of the most surveiled places on the planet, why have no video’s been shown to the public from that fateful day? I have seen some videos that are no longer available, they have been scrubbed, as a matter of fact Veterans Today posted one labeled “Camera Two Where Have You Been” which has been dissapeared. Did you ever look into who was on the other side of that wall at the Pentagon? Think about the size of a 737 and explain to me how without leaving any plow marks in the soil an aircraft that large can hit so low on that wall and leave no trace in the soil, you owe your sister an apology
Ray McGovern knows NSA Tech. director (ret) Bill Binney who testified that his ThinThread System would have very quickly identified the threat well beforehand. Instead, NSA Director Hayden perverted the system.
Movie : A Good American : How a group of NSA code-breakers had a chance of preventing 9/11.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4065414/
@Larry – A movie for the sister, I submit!
Absolutely first rate discussion. Thanks to everybody especially Larry’s sister. She is clearly extremely irritating just like my sister was. I can understand Larry’s position on this.
Dear Larry,
Is today April 1st? Have you been smoking or drinking something? Where has your critical mind gone?
Or is this a joke on your part?
A passenger airplane, also called big beer can, with 40 m span disappears in a 5m hole?
Where are the two engines?
Why is one engine found inside?
And where are the films of the cameras standing around outside?
With kind regards, willi
Asuncion, Paraguay
If you have ever been on either side of the COIN-OPS street you know one thing. The purpose of terror is not to terrorize. Or to win a war. The purpose of terror is to make an already repressive government more so. And thus, turn more people to your side.
Osama Bin Laden succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. With the Patriot Act, the American sheep traded their freedom for security and now have neither. America was always a Hollywood creation and fantasy. But the “Masters” uses 911 as a breaching tool. And even the premise of freedom is now dead.
The number of people that died on 911 are insignificant. The US kills more in black site torture chambers and drone strikes every year. But America died that day. The Evil Empire is now a dinosaur with a dead brain. It lumbers forward crushing and killing because the slow neural circuits have so many miles of nerves to travel.
Like marriage, it was a good fantasy while it lasted.
I watched an English doco many years back. It was supposed to refute 911 conspiracy theories. Funny thing though, frame by framing the CCTV video from outside the Pentagon showed a pointy nose appear in a single frame. Did the alleged plane have a pointy nose? And doing the math at 25 frames per second with a guess max velocity of 1000kph gives the max length of the plane at 12 metres! It didn’t convince me that this wasn’t an inside job planned by Douglas Feith and co at OSP.
Yeah, the same group of brilliant folks that planned the successes in Iraq and Afghanistan. Give me your address, I have a deal for you on a bridge.
How much for the bridge Larry? I hope it’s not made of steel and concrete though. If a plane crashed into it accidentally it might turn to molten metal like the steel from the WTC. So much molten steel weeks later in the cleanup of the debris. Still not sure how the laws of physics were ignored on that day. I’m sure you have an ‘explaination’.
Thanks Larry for your no nonsense 9/11 summations of your personal experience of what happened to you on that fateful day? I ascribe to the Occam’s Razor explanation & that is that the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one as you have tried to explain to your readers, this wasn’t a Conspiracy theory, it was one massive, incompetent intelligence snafu that failed to connect the dots of a impending Terrorist attack on the Twin Towers which had been attacked previously via Truck bombs. But this I do know, which isn’t a Conspiracy theory & that is, America changed forever after 9/11 & not for the better? This lunatic 22 yr War on Terror has had repercussions that have rippled around the Globe, setting the Middle East on fire & has led America into the disastrous Wars & conflicts in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan & now in Ukraine and America has been on a downward spiral ever since 9/11, more than the Twin Towers collapsed on that day, it was heralding the End of the US Empire & it’s much vaulted exceptionalism & showed us beyond any doubt that superior Military might & power alone has its limits on what it can achieve, the failures in the Middle East attest to that? This yearly navel gazing & rehashing of 9/11 never asks the question on WHY this Terrorist attack happened & how to prevent a event like this from occurring in the Future? Perhaps not invading other Nations & murdering their Citizens would go a long way in preventing a future 9/11 event? The logic of Occam’s Razor can’t be faulted!
Don’t be too hard on your sister. I think we have gotten to the point in the USA where nobody believes the government anymore. The government has cried wolf too often. When a real wolf shows up all cries will be unheeded.
Re the events on 9/11/2001, I am agnostic. Perhaps people believe alternative stories b/c the official story makes no sense. When what you see is physically impossible, there are three possibilities: you are hallucinating, you are seeing an optical illusion produced by Mother Nature, you are seeing an optical illusion produced by illusionists. I don’t know about the Pentagon but the official story about the WTC is physically impossible. So which of the three possibilities is it?
This is the 1st time I’ve seen or heard anything about missiles, not planes.
I have zero doubt there were planes.
The rest is a messy pile of lies. This was a planned event & the deep state, if not the planner, was in on the plan.
Too many unanswered questions. Too many “coincidences” involved.
Eg, Building 7?
Two types of people in this world, those who want to believe and those who want to know. The idea that it would be impossible to keep a conspiracy that the MIC/IC or any other state actors were complicit in 9/11 a secret need look no further then the Manhattan Project. 120,000 people working for several years easily managed this feat. No, the evidence of 9/11 like the JFK killing has been tried in the courts of world public opinion and been found wanting. You yourself should be aware of a CIA form 1035-960. So Larry you can go on believing in box cutters and magic bullets if this is the hill you want to die on, I’ll still be here cuz I like you and this blog, but your sisters right.
Russia noticed instantly when US strategic missile silos were activated with a Defcon alert when Pentagon was hit.
Putin got through to Pres. Bush in time to stand down all weapons. Bush, not the brightest was delighted – so there is hope for all.
Likely why Putin always refers to a war with the Empire of Lies.
He knows what a failed Reichstagsbrand looks like,
https://babylonianempire-wordpress-com.translate.goog/2023/08/19/o-diabelskiej-sztuczce-przy-pomocy-ktorej-wyburzono-world-trade-center/?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=pl&_x_tr_pto=wapp
I’d like to know what happened to the black boxes. No , no, don’t want to go there. Is there anything more tedious than a 22 year old argument? That said, first prize for an article that got EVERYONE’S attention, and responses.
The most important thing about 9/11 was the reactions. The 9/11 hysteria was our first glimpse at how immature the 21st century western mind is. A dress rehearsal for the covid freak show.
Then you had the American mind at its worst – the blood lust which followed 9/11. Take the US military and punish someone…anyone!!! Doesn’t matter who, just bombs away! Irresponsible behavior has its consequences. Has every American gotten their money’s worth?
I don’t think what actually happened on 9/11 matters now. We’re never ever going to know for certain nor agree. What happened after matters most. It’s led our society to where we are today. Everyone enjoying the ride so far?
For years after 911 I didn’t research the event, because I didn’t want to have to believe the US government had become the enemy of the American citizen. However, without looking hard at all, there were unexplained aspects of the official story. WTC7 collapse. I clearly recall Larry Silverstein, owner, saying on TV “… something something and we had to pull it.” I suspect this was a panicked attempt to explain the huge elephant in the room of a modern steel frame building, simply falling down. “Pulling” the building is the term that demolition crews use for taking down a building. Then, later, perhaps the realization … “.. these Bozos will believe any incredible thing we tell them!” In PA, the emergency crews all said the same thing, ‘Where’s the plane?” There was a burned spot on the ground. Later they brought in heavy equipment, dug a hole and started lifting out pieces of junk, claiming that of course, the plane buried itself on impact (like they always do). No luggage, no bodies in PA except for one portion of a body. What do we normally see at the site of a plane crash? Bodies, luggage, and enough plane parts to compose an entire plane. Juxtapose the hole in the Pentagon wall with a Boeing 757. It simply does not fit. The Pentagon lawn appeared undisturbed with a few pieces of aluminum scrap scattered around. The *two* passports, picked up off the ground in NYC by the FBI (very reliable organization). “Wait a sec .. what’s this? Hmmmm. Two passports of … terrorists! Wow, I earned my pay today!” Not just one suspicious thing, but many.
The argument that the gov’t is too incompetent to pull this off is a weak one in my opinion and can not outweigh the many suspicious and to some including me, simply unbelievable official stories. Steel frame and concrete buildings simply do not fall down and turn to dust when hit by a plane, and they absolutely, unequivocally do not fall down when hit by “falling debris”. Just because we don’t fully understand what happened does not mean, to me, that we believe the official narrative. In fact they *did* collossally screw up the false flag by so many inexplicable events, but in my opinion, many simply cannot believe the government capable of such a thing and are willing to completely overlook such things as the absense of plane wreckage, luggage or bodies in order to retain some trust in normalcy. Doesn’t our gov’t always lie to justify wars? Yes. Don’t they almost always have a false flag as casus belli? Why, Yes they do. Didn’t they launch the “War on Terra” after 911? Yes, they did.
As for the ability of the civilian to research and understand what is going on. We have an extremely powerful research tool at hand, the Internet. Along with all the junk there are hundreds of thousands of newspapers, journals, books and primary sources. The truth is “out there” and at least partially discernable to the civilian researcher. I had an academic background and had to first find and identify the most reliable sources for research. Later in IT I did exactly the same thing for 30 years, designed IT solutions based on painstaking research. The process is not too different when researching events and people.
All that said, I respect the opinion of other thinking people and I hope I can always keep a mind open to persuasion by facts. I am frequently “off my rocker” but my relatives are pretty tolerant, I have to say. I repeat, having been wrong so many times, I’m happy to be persuaded by evidence, but to me the bulk of evidence points to gov’t involvement and deception throughout 911.
Some reasons and possibilities I doubt the Pentagon story. Cannot say it is a slam dunk, more like following bread crumbs, or cognitive dissonance, yet still very interesting:
Consider the possibility that some cruise missiles once had a classified capability to generate a hologram like image of an airliner. to enhance penetration of enemy territory. I had heard about this from former Air Force buddies. This (if true, I’m in no position to prove it) could explain why many people saw an airliner but no engines or landing gear were found. It is also very interesting that the “plane” penetrated as far as it did and just happened to take out the Navy OSI team that was investigating the Pentagon’s missing trillions. It is also interesting that there were several reports of a fighter aircraft in the area at the time. I have also heard, but cannot verify, that the approach path of the “plane” exceeded the g-force sustainable by either a normal passenger aircraft or an unprotected pilot. It is hilarious to think this path was manually flown by a pilot who had trouble landing a Cessna. To repeat, these things do not constitute proof, but might cause one who had access to look further.
BTW, you follow up on your thrashing of Mail and OBrien with this trope about your sister who’s opinion is shared by arguably billions of people all over the world who have very passionate feelings about these things and are sick of the gaslighting especially from CIA types. Asking for a friend who does that?
Larry,
Was TWA flight 800 mistakenly shot down by a U.S. Navy ship or was the crash caused by a mechanical failure as per the official narrative?
9-11 was in the memory hole for at least 10 years, if memory serves. Why was it pulled out of it now?
Operation Paper clip – lets invite a bunch of good Nazi to populate our alphabet agencies.
Operation HighJump- after talking about a Nuke threat from Antarctica the general just had to jump out the window before taking questions.
JFK magic bullet and in the latest spin the SS agent says he did it.
Iran Contra – incompetence is not a political sin
911 – love it when a PNAC prophesy comes true.
Madien 2014 – this is for my beloved CZAR.
RMS Lusitania was joint war-effort, together with Churchill.
Dear Larry,
please do not blame your sister. I even would go so far to claim, that it is you who made her belief these conspiracies in the first place. Let me explain.
Most people are not able to approach a problem in a purely fact based and rational manner. Most people navigate the world using analogies and social proof. And that is ok, because evolution made people to behave that way. This way of thinking was successful for thousands of generations when no facts where available.
On a regular base, you use facts and methodical analysis to expose the failures of the government. Some people who follow you will understand the facts and the methodology, but most are blind for this. Most people who read you blog will just think “Larry is a trustworthy guy and when he says the government is lying he is probably right”.
If people consume the message “the government is lying” often enough, it will (in the way the brain stores data) become a fact by itself. While you as an analyst think “i could prove in 46 instances, that the government was lying” normal people will just remember “the government is lying”.
So the conspiracybeliefs of 9/11 are a symptom of distrust in government. People do not believe the 9/11 conspiracies based on facts and analysis, but they belief it because they have been confronted to often (by people like you) with the fact that the government lied in certain instances.
Your sister simply lost trust in government and no single data point can bring that trust back. This is the reason why your detailed analysis does not change her mind. Imagine how long it takes to build at least some trust towards a person that has duped you several times. 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? So in order for the government to get the trust back they lost, they should stop lying and messing up for the next 5, 10, 20 years.
I, for one, was deeply moved by your plea in favor of family reconciliation and urging Larry to forgive his sister. I hope Larry finds it in his heart to take your wise counsel and– dare I hope?– even write about it.
Let me put another coin in the slot… what about the Dancing Israelis…?
Or the Israeli ‘ art students’ . Or the ‘moving company’ vans that were stopped by NJ State Troopers at gun point with sniffer dogs going berserk from the whiff of explosive residue inside. Memory holed.
And Odigo messaging sending warning SMS to favoured members of the tribe…..
And the USS Maine in Havana harbor job was Made in Spain. C’est comme ça.
The Trust that once existed as cultural glue is gone. The resulting state of persistent uncertainty and confusion is conducive to social programming by increasing the vulnerability of people to suggestion.
Uncertainty increasing suggestibility is a well known phenomena employed in everything from rapid solider training regimes and interrogations to marketing, PR and casino floor plans.
Dang Larry!
You got my hopes up! The idea of these evil clowns being planted in the ground…
It’s a pity you felt you needed to get personal with this. You could have written this article without mentioning your sister, or you could have treated her with a little more respect, Larry. Rabbit Holes are mysterious things — I’ve been sucked down a few, and you have too. What matters in the end is relationship. That’s true on a family scale just as much as it is on a global scale. You owe her an apology, no matter what she believes.
I saw the movie Scanners some time ago and it’s great. I always imagine a terrorist with psychic/psionic powers intent on destroying the very soul of the US (cause maximum terror by doing the most evil thing possible randomly to affect the greatest number of people and communities, let’s say) would use those powers to telepathically control children to take the guns of their parents and shoot other kids at school.
And the society doesn’t collapse, they just pretend nothing happened, because they are gun sellers and rotten to the core, and deep down, they know and accept it. They value money over children, education or having a future. They have no other industry nor the will to change.
So the psychic terrorist does it again, and again, and again, and nothing happens. I have this image of the guy in an insane asylum, frantic in disgust, talking jibberish. Every time they don’t give the inmates a dessert he likes children die somewhere in the US, without rhyme or reason.
There is no mistery to the 9-11 attacks. Some religious fanatics just really hated the US. But then again, I’m chilean and we associate 9-11 to something else.
Shades of Noam Chomsky! For a moment I thought I had suddenly and mysteriously been transported to Chomsky’s gate-keeper site.
It seems obvious that Larry has done minimal research on the 9/11 tragedy, if he is basing his opinion on a couple of eye witnesses, a few videos and photographs and some difficult to answer questions about passengers. No mention of the huge store of evidence compiled by various groups and individuals like Pilots for 9/11 Truth (their take on the Pentagon hit) and Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth (their take on the impossibility of a steel girded tower to collapse at the speed of gravity simply being hit by a plane and the structural issues involved such a collapse.
As for bureaucratic ineptitude, Larry is correct, but wrong if he thinks that the bureaucracy of either the military or the civilian sectors were involved or knowledgeable of what was going on. They were confronted with multiple and simultaneous military and civilian air exercises that had been scheduled that day for the northeast sector, including the scenario of passenger hijackings and planes hitting skyscrapers, and could not distinguish truth from fiction when the planes had been hijacked. Only a few people – the Israelis who planned it and certain key Government and military people for starters (Hello, neocons. Yes, I am speaking of you!) knew what went down that day.
And has he ever heard of Heinz Pommer who has pieced together over the years a fairly complete picture of what is likely to have happened to cause that collapse?
And by the way, the plane (if there was one – why won’t the Pentagon publish the CCT videos that were everywhere around the Pentagon at that time?) did not hit a concrete wall built specifically absorb a jet plane crashing into it. The video he refers to was likely the one where a specially built concrete wall for a nuclear power plant was tested. No such wall exists for the Pentagon. And read what Pilots for 9/11 Truth say about the possibility of controlling a passenger jet travelling hundreds of miles per hour at almost ground level.
There is no way I could address the vast amount of evidence that has been accumulated over the years since that awful day.
Jesus, Larry. I guess even gifted ex-CIA analysts can be blinkered.
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
William Casey
CIA…..
The CIA’s job is intelligence gathering only as a sideline. Casey indicated the real purpose.
It was caused by the Israeli government, not the US government. See this analysis:
https://www.unz.com/runz/seeking-9-11-truth-after-twenty-years/
All the indications that this was a huge lie did not reveal themselves to me until months and years later.
Physicists, structural engineers, explosives experts, architects, witness statements … several witnesses later mysteriously suddenly died, pilots with decades of professional experience, firefighters and many other impossibilities regarding the official account.
There are so many elephants in the room. A German journalist happened to be in the area where one of the planes hit the ground. I saw the pictures, too. He came with a sheriff first on the scene. What did he see? A “small” hole. No plane debris, no luggage, no bodies. Weren’t there numerous auditors in the hit area of the Pentagon looking for billions of dollars that had disappeared? WTC 7 … it was already pointed out here.
But all this became clear to me only in the course of years.
The moment when an FBI man bent down on the rubble of the World Trade Center, picked up an Arab passport, held it in front of the cameras and said that he had found the passport of a terrorist, that was the moment when the lie became clear to me. Supposedly, the burning kerosene from the plane melted the steel beams and starting with the upper floors, the entire building was pulverized. But the passport flew out of this burning kerosene through the inferno and landed intact on top of the pile of rubble. Do you have to be an expert not to find that strange?
Later, President Bush announced the war against Iraq in the White House garden. He said, “God told me …..” That was the second bizarre moment of lying. How did God communicate with Bush? By fax, by e-mail, or did God use the telephone? I may not be an expert or an intelligence man, but shit I can definitely smell.
By the way, the first victims of the new era were not Afghans and Iraqis. The first victims were US Americans and the entire us people.
Any help on WTC Building 7 would be appreciated . I agree it was at least intelligence failure. Only thing left is was the intelligence failure on purpose. No one has explained building 7 to me .
Stockholm Syndrome still reigns supreme. That’s why nothing was done about JFK, USS Liberty,9 11 and many other outrages up to and including covid/vaxx etc. Anyone shilling for the official 9 11 fairy tale is part of the problem. All these theories and angles are classic muddy the water techniques. 9 11 was a blood sacrifice carried out on a specific date and cosmic alignment by people who have ancient , evil and occult roots. Whoever flew the planes , rigged the towers etc were mere subcontractors.
I forgot to mention, BRAVO for the Major General, he got the fucking point !
‘scuse the French !
Larry you believe to much bullshit from your own agency. Me and 4 friends were arrested for trespassing on 9/14/2001 at the pentagon any mp can verify that. Guess what we saw everything, the impact location all the debris, old goddy office furniture, cabinets, old school big monitors and tvs. The one thing we didn’t see was anything from a plane, not one oxygen mask, puke bag, seat nothing. I guess it could be miracle that they cleaned up within 3 days. Also we were at nvcc Annandale campus when it happened. No way a plane crash was going to shake the ground 10 miles away.
Larry, if it was a plane that hit the Pentagon it would be the first time that the engines disappeared! Same for flight 93 that nose dived into a field. Neither had engines anywhere to be seen. And, engines are indestructable. Your buddies could have been surfering from confirmation bias. E.g one is told it is an elephant that ran past the window but actually it was a zeebra.
At least people in the US and elsewhere are questioning it.
Here in the UK almost nobody ever questioned the frankly absurd Novichock poisonings, and the unhinged narrative of the Salisbury poisonings of the Skripal father and daughter.
I think it would be hard to find a chimpanzee with learning difficulties who believed the official Salisbury story, which the BBC even made a film of. Yet almost everyone in the Uk took it as fact.
https://thinkingaboot.blogspot.com/2011/06/dr-kelly-still-dead.html
🛎 The lies go round and round!!!! 📯
Neither import ban nor price cap works
Germany imports Russian oil via India
https://www-welt-de.translate.goog/wirtschaft/article247420520/Laut-Statistik-Deutschland-importiert-wohl-russisches-Oel-ueber-Indien.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
More and more manipulation and lies about sanctions are coming up.
They lie to themselves every day, the so called EU leaders.
The USA cannot meet the demand with fracking.
The French Total gets more and more problems with their sources in Africa.
I cannot supply any industry sufficiently and sustainably with sun and wind.
The Greens’ solution:
Demolition of the German industry and
Restriction of private consumption.
Not a good energy future for the EU.
Larry, I also think 9/11 was an inside job. Perpetrated by elements within the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia – not incidentally, the coalition in the Middle East and the beneficiaries of the Iraq war.
So let’s separate the plane that hit the Pentagon from the two that hit the towers in NY.
Re DC – I have seen footage from a security camera that shows an object traveling very low and fast on a flat trajectory into the pentagon. The trajectory was the main thing. I don’t think a human pilot with limited flight training could do it. I suspect a cruise missile painted to look like a plane but I’m also open to a remotely controlled plane.
Re NY – That’s a lot easier. Controlled demolition. Look at the near free-fall speed and the collapse within their own footprints. Also WTC7 went down and it was never hit by a plane. See the work done by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth for more detail.
Add to this the numerous peculiarities: from the PNAC manifesto, to the stock market transactions, to the timing of Larry Silverstein’s property and insurance purchases, to the dancing Israelis, to the passport miraculously found in the wreckage, to the military drills on the same day, etc.
There is plenty of reason not to believe the official narrative.
The biggest beneficiary of the Iraq war was Iran. Which is why the next port of call was Iran’s ally, Syria.
The last video ends with a shot of the hole caused by the ‘plane.’ Note the clean walls on the sides of the hole. No wing marks. The bottom of the hole is on ground level. The nose of a plane would have made a much higher hole, or if the nose did make that hole, it would have been via a crash landing, but the grass around the crash site is manicured, untouched. Why did the CIA confiscate every security camera around the site? Why does the Pentagon not provide footage? It has cameras all over the place. Surely they have that ‘plane’ on camera. Have we not seen the footage because ‘national security’ is at stake? Why, after all the videos shown of hits on the towers, do we not have even a photo of the plane on the ground at the Pentagon? ‘Cause there weren’t one.
There are some simple facts. 1) Burning jet fuel and burning furniture cannot get hot enough to melt steel. There was melted steel at the WTC collapses, witnessed at the time and evident during the clean up. 2) If the Pentagon had been hit low on the building by an airliner, there would have to be furrows in the lawn where the engines would have hit. There was no lawn damage. These 2 facts alone discount the official story of what happened on 9-11. Period. We do not know what happened that day, the operative word is KNOW, but we do know that the 3 WTC skyscraper collapses were not caused by damage from 2 airplane strikes, and we do know that the Pentagon damage was not caused by a commercial jet liner strike.
Some observations.
The NAFO crowd has the same mentality as 9/11 truther types.
The reason that the towers (1 and 2) collapsed at near free fall once collapse started is that the vertical support elements had consistent thickness (one thickness above a certain floor, another thickness below said floor, information provided ironically enough by an intellectually serious truther—rare breed—who wanted to disprove certain notions, and on those point was correct…). Once the collapse initiates (floors fall with enough velocity to collapse one 3-story section—every third story haveing horizontal bracing/constraint) by buckling, all sections above thickness transition had to buckle at once (Newton’s third law of motion at work). Ditto when collapse hit lower (thicker) columns. Near free fall is expected if buckling is the mode of failure (buckling is not instantaneous, and a few milliseconds is more than enough to transfer the force before the vertical element fails, thus all three-floor sections with the same thickness must buckle-fail during the same period i.e. beginning of failure of last long before end of failure of first—speed of transmission aka speed of sound in solid ~ 4 times speed of sound in gas iirc).
Building 7: Nothing like a bit of city corruption (big delta-wye or delta-delta i.e. oil cooled substation/transformer set in basement, mechanically damaged by violence of surrounding collapses leading to electric/oil fire). Prolonged fire means insulation will eventually also conduct sufficient heat, aside from mechanical damage from shocks (compare earthquake damage) of surrounding collapses (oh the irony—truthers get their near-free fall speed from seismic data…)
While elements of the US government have repeatedly supported Al Qaeda et alia (Bosnia, Syria, Lebanon et alia), this goes to show infighting rather than common purpose.
Ditto elements of CIA involved in drug trade (see e.g. Gary Webb—see also Clinton as governor), this goes to show the analytic weakness of the “deep state” (originally in reference to a Turkish car crash in which a senior politician, a general, a notorious drug dealer and a Kurdish rebel leader being in one of the vehicles) approach.
A more probable framework is that there are criminal “clans” operating within and across various institutions, and the societal protection against criticism of said institutions on the one hand and loss of morale that arises from internal and external investigations as an inhibitory cause against the execution of such investigations on the other hand, give room for these criminal clans to operate.
Resistere, I am with you.
Never know if temporarily or not, because I dont have any doubts on Larry s moral character and wit.
Still the many many things I ve read on that
dont point to the direction of Larry s take away.
The people who designed the buildings, of course, never dreamed that anyone would deliberately crash an airliner into them/ and they cannot be faulted for not designing the buildings to survive such a collision.
On the other hand, I have always felt that deliberate efforts have always been made to obscure the fact that (unintentionally,of course) the building designs made them particularly vulnerable to that type of attack.
This was not the first time that a building in NYC had been struck by an aircraft. In 1945 a B-25 medium bomber flew into the side of the Empire State Building. The aircraft was completely destroyed, and the building suffered some damage but the damage was repairable.,The building is still in service, 78 years later.
The engineers who designed the World Trade Center buildings, may,in fact, have made some effort to account for an accidental impact, but if they did, they did not anticipate all the consequences of such an impact.
Tall buildings must be designed to resist three types of loads, gravity(i.e. their own weight), wind, and ground motion (i.e. earthquakes)
Each of the World Trade Center Towers was, in simple terms, a cantilevers beam-column.That is it was a straight member, supported only at one end, subjected to some loads (principally the wind) which acted perpendicular to its length, and other loads (gravity) that acted along its length.
Structurally each tower was essentially a long tube having a square cross section.
At the center of the tube was a central core containing the elevators. and probably the stairs, plumbing, and air conditioning ducts as well/
The walls of the tube consisted of a large number of steel columns which, in effect, extended down the entire length of the building. The square shape of the tube was maintained by the horizontal floor structures.
Each floor consisted of a system of steel trusses and a layer of reinforced concrete. Since the concrete formed part of the floor structure, each floor could not support its own weight during construction (i.e, before the concrete set up).
Thus each floor was constructed on the floor below it and then raised several feet into position. At that point the steel trusses were attached to the tube wall with bolted connections.
Note that these connections had to be designed in such a way that the floor structure could move past them as it moved upward into position. There was nothing to prevent the floor structure from moving back downward, therefore, except the bolted joints themselves.
There is no indication that the tube wall suffered significant damage when the aircraft struck the building. On the contrary, the closely spaced columns appear to have shreded the aircraft as it passed through the wall.
The area was doused with jet fuel,however, and the fuel and building contents on that floor quickly caught fire.
Neither building failed immediately,however. One remained standing for 56 minutes, the other for 102 minutes after they were struck by the aircraft.
Eventually, however, the heated bolted connections between the floor trusses and the tube wall began to fail and one floor dropped down onto the floor beneath it. As it did so the air and smoke between the two floors was expelled outward through the tube wall creating “puffs” which can be seen on video clips of the failure.
I don’t know whether the bolted connections holding up the lower floor failed immediately or not, but before long they did, and both floors then fell onto the floor below, causing its bolted connections to fail.
As the floors fell, one after another, the lateral support they provided to the individual columns in the wall was removed, and when the unsupported length of column became great enough the columns buckled under the weight of the undamaged portion of the building that remained above them/
The undamaged upper portion of the building then plunged downward, destroying both itself and everything below it.
Der Alte
An intelligence service whose reconnaissance and counterintelligence could not work out any operational indications in advance is not an intelligence service.
And I cannot imagine that, despite all the problems with the CIA and the NSA, which listens to everything. Snowden-Book!!!!
Especially since the best contacts to the Saudis and Pakistan existed at that time.
Afghanistan was infiltrated by the USA in terms of intelligence.
The Russians were out almost everywhere and the Chinese were not yet in.
So a free hand.
I’m not preparing a thing like that in the rat-holes of Afghanistan.
As well as blowing up Nordstream II with a small “motor sailboat.”
I think the Russians had put enough sensor equipment there and know who did it.
The time just isn’t right yet.
Analog Towers.
U.S. air defenses seemed downright paralyzed at the time.
My first time posting to a site, even as an old man, so please forgive any newbeness.
Larry, have been following you a while, love your work and your courageousness, but with all due respect, you seem too adamant, no? Like there’s nothing here, move along.
A parable: student goes to the Master and asks, “Master, what is the truth?” Master’s reply; “Go, go sit over there in the garden for a while” (a beautiful, beautiful lush garden). Student dutifully complies and after an hour or so goes back to the Master and says; “But Master, I didn’t see the truth” Master says, “Now, go sit over there in the garden” pointing to an entirely different area. Student again dutifully goes off for a while but returns saying, “But Master, I still didn’t see the truth” Master says, “Ahh, but now go sit over there for some time” pointing to yet an entirely new area. Student returns, “But Master, I still didn’t see the truth” This goes, on and…
I’m sure I butchered this from my read of many years ago and can’t recall the written ending moral, apologies, except to say it conveyed, the truth is made up of many different perspectives.
I believe there are an endless amount of very intelligent people who have an endless supply of very serious questions about happened that day.
Like for me, I’ve read, and please correct me if I’m wrong, never in the history of the steel framed skyscraper, before or after, has one been felled by fire. Only on that day. Three of them. Why were the steel girders immediately shipped off for scrap and not analyzed?
The biggest crime of the century? And we don’t care? Goes against every detective movie or TV show we’ve seen.
For me, I think of an old pocket watch. I don’t want to just look at it and see the time and go on, but to pick it apart, piece by piece.
https://images.app.goo.gl/NG6kQeCyTMTEDEWr8
I’ve found you a serious and sober man with an inside track. I see the plane wreckage and video you provide. You have other corroborative eviidences, but I also find this photo with the roof intact. This means the building was struck at ground level, from the side.
I’ve heard experienced airline pilots say they couldn’t do it. It might be possible if the plane landed and settled before it struck, but I see no evidence of that in this photo.
It makes no sense.
“I Wasn’t Going to Comment on the 9-11 Attacks, But . . .”
Hi Larry,
Methinks you would have had a much quieter day had you kept to your intention! 🙂
From afar, and not having investigated the matter in detail, I am a sceptic. That is, I don’t have any specific view of what happened or who was behind it but neither do I accept the standard narrative. Don’t have a reference but I recall a member of the 9-11 commission opining they were “set up to fail.”
It’s a terrible reflection on the state of things that many don’t believe (that is, accept) *anything* proposed by the authorities, or at least, not without compelling and direct evidence (which is frequently absent). It doesn’t matter if “they (the authorities) brought it on themselves” by serial lying and subterfuge for decades. It’s still a scary place to be and, I fear, bodes ill for the stability of the ‘West.’
Best wishes.
Corbett Report making the case in this quick summary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXYswf3lzU8
Am sorry to read this from you. I am not sure what happened in New York other than it was a controlled demolition. Not sure what happened in Pennsylvania either. But I can tell you that it was a missile that hit the Pentagon for sure, and my knowledge of it did not come from the internet. I was close enough to be knocked out of my chair by the force of the BLAST that occurred. Within 3 or 4 seconds I watched the camouflaged C-135 then fly directly over the Pentagon, in the same trajectory as the missile, thru the smoke, and then bank right over the Potomac back toward National Airport. No plane hitting any building at any speed could have created the percussive wave that hit me.
4 commercial planes – where are the 8 black boxes and cockpit recorders?
A friend of mine worked in an office located where the plane struck (between 3rd and 4th corridors). Luckily he was in the C ring, the plane was stopped in the D ring, taking out a whole navy comms office. The impact toppled the cubicles in his work area and he had to dig through the debris to locate his boss and pull him to safety. When his office was finally able to return, there on the ground in the D ring ( there is a space between the D and outer E rings to allow traffic of delivery vehicles) lay the plane’s engine. So, yeah, a plane hit the Pentagon. On a side note, the clean up crew sent to repair the devastation and refurnish the destroyed Navy cell did their research. They obtained pictures of the Navy personnel killed that day and put each picture on the replaced desk where that person had been sitting at the moment of impact. Not many dry eyes when survivors returned to witness the show of respect by the clean up crew. People passing in the halls coming back to work greeted other survivors not with the customary, “Hi,” but with the more pointed, “nice to see you.’
I know that it’s damning that the authorities had well over an hour from the time they were notified the first plane had been hijacked, until the last one allegedly plowed into the Pentagon. I say “allegedly,” because whatever hit the Pentagon, it didn’t leave a hole big enough for Flight 77. It also didn’t really leave any debris outside. But at any rate, during this time, our vaunted multi-trillion-dollar Military Industrial Complex did absolutely nothing. Well, they might have shot down Flight 93 and lied about it. So, give them that. But with the heart of that defense system- the Pentagon- under direct threat, they failed to defend it. Or film whatever hit it. The security cameras just happened to be “turned off” that day. Just like we would see with Sandy Hook and so many other similar incidents.
The CIA made famous the words “Conspiracy Theory” that is used to discredit anyone that has a theory that doesn’t match their own.
I was always suspicious of the crash that hit the pentagon. The reason being there really wasn’t much evidence given to the public. There was a video of an object that crashed into the pentagon, but you couldn’t clearly make out what it was.
Over the years there have been many non-sensical happenings that don’t pass the smell test and this is one of them.
Building 7 is the ultimate in whataboutism. What about Bldg 7? Explain that. It may actually be hard to explain, but what is harder to explain is. If domestic plotters did all this, what would be the point of causing a relatively insignificant bldg to collapse with no casualties half a day after destroying three of the most famous buildings in America while causing 3000 deaths
What was their thinking .. Using airplanes with hundreds of civilians as missiles to destroy the Twin Towers and strike the Pentagon and kill 3000 people wont panic the American public enough for us to achieve our goals.
So here’s what we do. We collapse a much smalker building that no one outside of NYC even knows exists with NO LOSS OF LIFE. Thats the important thing, nobody dies. Thats what will put us over the top!!!
Seriously?
You may have forgotten. Ask the owner of the building complex, Larry Silverstein, who reportedly had just taken out an upgraded insurance policy. He’s the one that told them to “pull it.”
who were the tenants of WTC7, and what did the tenants keep in WTC7? FWIW, Wikipedia’s entry of WTC7 lists notable tenants.
You are getting closer to the mark.
I am sorry, I do not believe the evidence you have suggested outweighs the reality we have observed or the scientific investigation into the cause of the collapse of the building. Physics isn’t malleable. May I suggest you talk with Ray McGovern because he laid out the particulars succinctly.
I grew up watching old casinos being imploded. Dozens of them. The TWC’s came down just like it and the only way you can drop something on its footprint.
And what in the world makes you think that they didn’t have enough people and time to mine the building in the year before it was blown up by implosion? Cheney owned the shadow government and had thousands of toadies. He had a year to do it.
But the most stunning question you don’t seem to want to address is building 3. How did it accidentally implode like the others? The scientists that gave their professional opinions and backed it with facts are the only legitimate arbiters of the situation when the government lies about everything.
Is the CNN story you can find on you tube a fake? Reporter standing in front of the pentagon the next day and no sign of damage or strike of any kind where it was alleged to have happened.. It even looks like a video tape was made from the television picture. The quality of the video was 2000 vintage, no HD and low res picture. None of the photos from cameras in the area of the alleged strike have ever been seen. No security cam footage, nothing.
I never saw the photo’s you showed above about debris. Have these been withheld from the public? Not one of those pictures has any reference point that can be identified. No evidence it was anywhere near the pentagon in the photos.
But there is no path that doesn’t include controlled demolition for 3 buildings.
Where did the rubble pile from the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 go? Why was the seismic footprint of the collapsing 110 story buildings that of a 10 story building? Why can one see, in some videos, 22″ steel girders flung from the collapsing WTC evaporating in mid air? Why was the steel sold to India and China at 1/3 the going rate for scrap steel before any investigation could be done?
I may have missed it with my quick read of the comments… but I don’t think anyone mentioned Dr. Judy Wood, a material’s scientist who was the first to suggest the possibility of the use of directed energy weaponry on 911. Dr Woods avoids speculation and only looks at visible evidence… including the toasted cars.
Her observations would explain the non-existent rubble pile, the evaporation of steel girders while being ejected and the minimal seismic footprint of the collapsing buildings.
Well, I guess I’ll stop taking anything you have to say seriously, Larry. I’ve appreciated your analysis of the Ukraine war, but your sister is right on this one. Your analytical skills must be getting pretty rusty, you couldn’t be more wrong about 911.
Granted, it’s not easy to admit to being wrong, are you up to the task?
You cherry pick a few insignificant pieces of “evidence” like someone you knew said this or that, and ignore the reams of evidence that discount all of your friends’ claims.
Now you’ve dug yourself into a hole. Much easier to fool someone than get them to admit to being fooled etc…
Aside from whether you really do have a sister and you’re using your public platform to try to humiliate her, which would be a disgusting way to go about trying to win an argument with a sibling and therefore reflects very poorly on you…aside from that, you’ve actually embarrassed yourself, not her, by showing yourself to be so gullible, and for years at that.
So General Stubblebine “failed to understand what a concrete/block wall does to a jet airliner traveling over 300 miles per hour”?
I guess you mean the wall vaporizes most of it, because all the “evidence” you have, a few pics of aluminium scrap small enough to easily plant by hand, adds up to less than .1% of an airliner.
Note to Larry: some scraps of the thin aluminium fuselage were apparently “found”, but not the 4 indestructible black boxes or heavy steel engines. Make sense to you?
Question: Did the plane vaporize before or after it punched a hole through 3 rings of reinforced concrete at the Pentagon? Kind of hard to have it both ways.
Question: If a concrete wall makes 99% of an airliner disappear, what do 1/4 inch steel box columns and bullet-stopping 1/4 inch steel plates attached to sections of 4 inch thick reinforced concrete floor do to an airliner? According to all of the video “evidence” from the day, apparently next to nothing, as many shots from multiple angles clearly show the thin aluminium planes slicing into the building like a hot knife through butter and leaving a Wiley-Coyote style hole in the steel/reinforced concrete. Comical yet tragic.
Here’s a vid of the steel building absorbing the aluminium plane, nothing bouncing off & falling, and as the video shows, the plane travels through the steel building at the same speed as it travels through the air – magic! https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7wdn9m
In the actual physical universe we inhabit, the insignificant lightweight mass of an aluminium plane would have broken up, exploded and bounced off the steel, much like a bullet when it hits a piece of 1/4 inch steel at several thousand miles per hour.
But ex-CIA agents just can’t seem to figure that out.
Hmmmn, that seems suspect to me, but maybe you’re just an old guy who’s lost the plot.
Either way, your opinions are serving the evil empire, whether you’re their unwitting (witless) tool, too full of pride to admit you were wrong, or you’re a lying-limited-hang-out ex-intelligence hack. Both reflect equally poorly on you. Redemption lies only in realizing and admitting the error of your ways.
In the meantime, no, I don’t think I’ll be taking anything you have to say seriously anymore, Larry.
Having a closed mind and being unable to weigh facts is a problem for you. You clearly know nothing about the road network around the Pentagon. I should have made this point in my piece. I-395 runs along the south side of the Pentagon. It is one of the major arteries feeding into DC. Gridlock at that time of the morning. Thousands of people sitting in their cars. NOT ONE CAME FORWARD THAT DAY OR IN THE FOLLOWING WEEK CLAIMING THE GOVERNMENT WAS LYING BECAUSE THEY SAW A MISSILE. NOT ONE. Candidly, I prefer that someone like you not read my blog. You lack the mental faculty to grasp the content.
That is soooo freaking funny! “Where’s the beef?” Funny commercial us boomer’s remember. Larry as far as I can remember every well played false flag in history has NEVER EVER been undone by eye witness’s! If they survived the with memories intact after a few days of some seriously intense MK ultra on the airwaves 24/7 they were lucky. If they were a little greedy they took a bribe and said to themselves sucks for those dead folks. If they had robust morals and ethics they may have survived a month of threats and intimidation and propably gave up, because they rightly deduced some serious shit was gonna happen to them or there family if they persisted. Larry, your going to slide into the abyss on a slippery sloped red herring fallacy sled or any other logic’s based argument trying to defend your position on this subject. Best just give up, or just stop reading the comments cuzz you are sounding a little frazzled with this response to Joe.
But the “missile could have been disguised as an airplane” when it flew over I-395:
https://youtu.be/1eA0Uyioqyg?t=208
That is why, before flying, I always check first class for a warhead and the rear lavatory for tailfins.
The CIA is good, but not that good.
Larry Johnson here is far too trusting of his fellow spooks who work in the CIA but hey has the old saying goes once a spook always a spook. And he won’t refute anything that you said he’s either too proud or too arrogant to admit that he’s wrong on 9/11 and is still living in denial that the CIA would ever do such an action on American soil anyone with a functioning brain knows they would they didn’t hesitate to kill RFK and his brother they certainly didn’t hesitate to murder Martin Luther King or Malcolm X what about the multiple American citizens that were killed in drone strikes especially in the Middle East during the Obama Administration. The CIA is responsible for dozens and dozens of violent coup d’etats across the globe they openly support Islamic terrorist organizations from Al Qaeda to Isis to criminal crime syndicates from the mafia down to the cartels given that track record alone for the CIA why should we trust anything that comes out of their mouths
That Daily Motion vid commentary is by someone who’d fail high school physics. Ever heard of inertia? Look back at another comment / vid of what happened to an F-4 crashing into a concrete block. The back end of the plane doesn’t slow down as the front is demolished. It’s simple physics and you and about 90% of the dingbats here cannot grasp reality. Plane bouncing off the tower? A ha ha ha. Right. It’s a tennis ball –who knew? Then you have thousands of gallons of jet fuel still with forward inertial motion bursting forward and catching fire. No mystery here whatsoever.
Then there’s all the dipsticks — oh fuel can’t burn hot enough to weaken steel and deform it. Ever seen a burned-out gas station? Obviously not.
Then there’s dozens of YouTube vids about airliner crashes and investigations over the decades. Ever looked at them? Amazingly little left sometimes, like the Pennsylvania hole in the ground.
I suppose in the Pentagon case, a cast of thousands descended on the lawn immediately after whatever hit the building did so, and littered the lawn with pre-scrapped American Airlines debris? Sure, and I’m a Martian.
I’m actually a mechanical engineer. Nothing I saw surprised me as to the crash outcomes. By chance I saw the second WTC crash live on a brand new Toshiba projection HDTV TV that had been set up, color-corrected and fine-tuned the night before by an expert with all the tools. Cost $300.
So when I read some random nitwit with not th first clue about physics rattling on like he knows something, it only reinforces what I’ve seen throughout my life. Most people do not know what they’re talking about. And you can include yourself in that, JOE. Geezus.
LJ gets it right, and all the numbskulls appear out of the ether to tell him he’s wrong because what they deem as commonsense simply is not in reality. It’s called lack of experience and inability to think straight, understand dynamics. So I get subjected to harebrained ideas from nitwits.
Also, virtually nobody seems to have grasped that the WTC towers were of novel construction, much lighter than the usual skyscraper. The floors were hung on pins welded to the outer shell built-up colums, and had plastic pads that allowed movement to counter wind sway. Anyone can read about the design in Wikipedia. It was designed with the big outer shell of vertical columns so that the central core with elevators could be made much smaller. That way, they got more rentable floor space than any other high rise of equal outside dimensions. Completely UNLIKE a standard skyscraper. My speculation, and it is only that, is that the pins (welded to the outside shell to hold up each relatively lightweight floor with its thin concrete) sheared off as each floor pancaked.
But hey, if you’re Joe Blow, or the other 90% who never bothered to actually investigate the building design, but like the guy down the bar on his third, figures he knows it all anyway, then have at it. I don’t care other than to wonder. Hell the average person doesn’t know the difference between DC and AC electricity, let alone objectdynamics, energy variation with speed, or in fact, anything much more complicated than building a garden shed or stacking cereal boxes.
Can we get back to why similarly inept people called neocons running the US government cannot see the reality that Ukraine has been whomped by Russia, and think sending more fairy tale weapons there will magically change reality?
Larry, you’re sometimes very prideful regarding your CIA expertise. Did you know every single aspect of the agency at its highest levels ? Do you require your readers to be CIA or as expert as you, or do you mind if they’ve also looked for the Truth from other sources too ?
And who ever said the CIA was totally responsible for, or even directed 9-11 ?
Also… your sister might be wrong about the Pentagon, but she is definitely NOT wrong about the Twin Towers being brought down by controlled demolition, nor WTC 7 for that matter. Review ALL the evidence, and know also that there are many folks (engineers, architects, airline pilots, etc.) who have assessed it who also have lots of expertise in their given fields of buildings, demolition, flight physics, etc… at least as much as you do regarding the CIA.
Have you seen where Western reporters were on camera saying “we now have word that WTC 7 has collapsed”… 20 minutes before it came down ? How did they know ? Who gave them their script ? And there are many such anomalies as this that day.
LJ, if we want to be forgiven our sins, we need to forgive others theirs. Forgive your sister and love her anyway. Start by not “talking behind her back” and publicly trying to shame her. Would you want that done to you, in those few intances where you are wrong ?
We love you LJ. But like all of us, you’re not perfect. My God reminds me of this, too, regarding myself.
The OTHER conspiracy theory that drives me crazy, especially the use of selective evidence, is that bombs were responsible for the collapse of the WTCs.
The, aha moment, is pointing out that jet fuel cannot melt steel. That is true but it doesn’t have to ‘melt’ the steel, it only has to weaken it. It loses 50% of its strength at 1100F, Jet fuel can reach 1500F and it is very windy in the upper stories creating a bellows effect.
So we have super heated jet fuel, burning for 40 minutes. That is a plausible explanation to blame the jets and not some other agent.
A childhood friend of mine, Michael Macko, was a fireman in the Great Jones Street firehouse. He was looking up at the towers on Vesey Street and observed all the pops from the controlled demolitions before the buildings fell. He survived by diving underneath his fire truck. It took two days to dig him out. Weeks later, he was interrogated by investigators. If you do a google of Michael Macko NYFD you will see the heavily redacted investigative interview where you will see any comments about controlled demolitions blacked out! Years earlier, Mr. Macko had won a NYFD lotto and been selected to have a much coveted all-paid Las Vegas vacation just to be involved in observing a LV hotel controlled demolition. At the time, it was a teaching tool to NYFD personnel as to what to expect in a building collapse. Afterwards, realizing that his astute observations were all basically meaningless, and a risk to his life, he took his early retirement and disappeared into the Pocono mountain wilderness, living as a hermit off the grid. As the old disco song went…”there but for the grace of God go I”. Godspeed to you MM!
Dude,
There were no controlled pops. Go watch some videos of actual demolitions. The explosives are planted on the lower floors. In each case of the collapse of the two towers, the collapse starts where the plane hit the tower.
Ditto.
For this to be a ‘controlled demolition’ the saboteurs would have to plant explosives on the correct floor of the building where the planes hit. Try doing that twice. The planes would even have to hit one or two stories above the demolition charges to avoid dislodging and deactivating the explosives.
For any interested, see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYUYya6bPGw&t=1155s
It’s just a bunch of science people saying how the Twin Towers starting collapsing.
Watched the first few minutes. If the Jet fuel burned up in tens of seconds, the heat from it would be at the very top end of the spectrum, 1500F, and not 700F as the one guy asserted. Loved how he picked the very lowest possible temperature and asserted it with such confidence. Here was a study of the event. https://www.fireengineering.com/fire-prevention-protection/building-construction/the-world-trade-center-construction-and-collapse-part-4/#gref
They assert that the 10,000 gallons of Jet fuel can take up to 30 minutes to burn. Sure, the secondary fires probably had a lower temperature but that does not negate the burning of the jet fuel.
If it was a controlled demolition, which floor, where were the explosives? (sorry don’t have the patience to watch a 1 hr video to tease out this info)
Larry says:
“I’m amazed that you believe the CIA is competent to pull this off after we’ve seen their utter incompetence in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria — and Russia as well — over the last twenty years. “
Of course! All those debacles are due to CIA’s incompetence. How can anyone imagine that the CIA is more competent than the technologically super-advanced tall genius on dialysis who had his headquarters in a cave in Afghanistan, several stories high (CNN and MSM showed us the renditions in detailed drawings) and fooled NORAD, and his amazing boys with box cutters? Only someone who is an islamophobe is my guess. Not me. I believe that in we messed with a bunch of amazing skills and that 9/11 was “blowback,” as Chomsky explained.
Larry also says:
“If the CIA was as competent as you believe the US would be crushing Russia in Ukraine.”
Another astute argument. If the CIA were competent they would crush Russia’s military because all those Kinzhals, Satans, and conventional artillery, no matter how massive, are powerless when facing “men who stare at goats” (a funny movie that also convinced us that apart from the isolated case of a lone, rogue psycho, the CIA are just a bunch of well-meaning bumbling fools.
What damage would striking 5 streetlamp posts do to the wings of an aircraft traveling over 500 mph? If a missile struck the pentagon instead of a 757 then it says a lot about careful planning and attention to detail to prepare and place 5 severed street lamps in the correct positions including causing damage to a taxi, etc all the while the pentagon continues to burn.
Check it out:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233943739_Flight_AA77_on_911_New_FDR_Analysis_Supports_the_Official_Flight_Path_Leading_to_Impact_with_the_Pentagon#pf3
I may wrong here but I don’t think anyone has yet mentioned that on 9/10 Donald Rumsfeld publicly announced that $2.3 trillion had disappeared from the Pentagon accounts.
And by pure coincidence the plane that hit the Pentagon the very next day flew over Rummy’s office, did a high speed descending corkscrew turn and then hit very office where a bunch of accountants had been assigned the day before to investigate the missing trillions.
Almost all the accountants were killed, files and computers destroyed and the investigation abandoned.
Difficult to see how Osama bin Laden pulled that one off!!
Larry, are you going to block this comment also?
No, no, no…There you go again.
I was going to mention it as an example of how such an event can give rise to silly conspiracy theories.
Rummy did announce the day before that $2.3 trillions were missing from the Pentagon accounts.
That was unfortunate because it let Bin Laden know that the huge theft had been discovered.
Does anyone seriously believe that an outfit like AlQaeda, capable of fooling NORAD and all US intelligence agencies cannot penetrate the Pentagon’s accounting system and suck up funds? You think a complex, sophisticated, multi-level lair in the mountains can be maintained on a fistful of Riyals?
What better way for Bin Laden to erase all traces than to destroy the Pentagon wing where the auditing was being carried out and all documentation was housed? I don’t remember reading about a Saudi passport being found at this location too, but that is easily understandable:
Whereas Bin Laden must have instructed the 19 box cutter terrorists to throw their passports out the plane window before impact as a defying ‘signature,’ in this case he told them: “ Listen carefully boys because I am only going to say it once: Surgical strike: only that wing. No passports, no testaments, no Korans. Let the infidels scratch their heads in confusion.”
Al-Qaeda got its start with Arab Islamists who fought on the side of the US and Saudi Arabia against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. They had significant ties to Pakistani intelligence. Their head of security was a notorious Islamist from the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Supporting Islamists in the first place was a bad idea. Blowback is a bitch.
Real operations are simple in conception and execution.
The buildings were struck by aircraft that were piloted by individuals who had been manipulated into doing it. A large commercial aircraft is more than missile enough, for what they did.
The only real questions are whether they had inside help, or not. And if not, then were the relevant agencies incompetent, or negligent in detecting and stopping this operation, before it occurred? Or were both the case?
If the officiall story is real, the USA must to be very careful with Russia and China.
Someone who can`t prevent an “attack with 3 airplanes, flying with hoppypilots ” is unprotected against any external air attack in war.
If I had a friend, or just an acquaintance, that had lots of interesting things to say, all or most of which were valid in my estimation, but who had just one odd idiosyncrasy: he said he believed his a$$ was made of glass, how would I deal with him?
I can tell you what I would NOT do:
— I would not abandon him and miss out on the interesting stuff he might have to say on issue unrelated to his a$$
— I would NOT lecture him on the biologic impossibility of his claim. Instead I would respect his concerns that his a$$ is at stake.
Endless circular divide and conquer enabling distraction. My bottom line what are all these entities paid to do? Give lame excuses for endless failure and be rewarded with even bigger budgets?
Who made money off of 9/11? Who makes money from the Ukraine mission?
We sit around and lament the disastrous consequences, but what of those who celebrate? Do they ask the question, how can we make this even better for our stake holders? Or do they have a prioritized check sheet printout from AI to guide them?
Bottom line war has always been the most profitable business, it will never be the right way.
No plane crashed into WTC7.
Free-fall for close to ~2.5 seconds. Total, near-symmetrical collapse in ~7 seconds or so.
“Office fires”. Sure. I have read the full final NIST report on the collapse of WTC7. It does not add up.
NIST stated that they hoped that one of the benefits of the study would be to aid in the future development/design of buildings – however they have not released the computer models (source code) that they used to demonstrate how the building collapsed.
Again, does not add up.
Hum… not sure what you mean by “genuine” degree?
In any case, most 911 information available hasn’t required a degree to obtain, anyone can access the FBI, get official or non-official reports, analysis, videos, pics.
I’ve known as many stupid people with “genuine” degrees, even a couple of them (look at the White House/State Dept. —dumber than boxes of rocks), as I have “smart” people without a degree.
Her “position” has nothing to do with education, it has to do with “evidence” examined. And frankly…it was so immediately “politicized” by Bush and Cheney, 2 hours later, that seriously, there was not going to be an outcome of “evidence”, just as things now, that didn’t support the politicized narrative.
ALL the “evidence” no one has actually to this day I don’t think. Maybe one day.
Perhaps the distrust wouldn’t have happened so fiercely and quickly had the Bush folks not politicized the tragedy and decided we needed to run out and kill people, and exactly who, 2 hours later.
Was a bit of a red flag. Now ALL evidence was “tainted” from then on out. Politically they trampled on the crime scene, tainted it all.
Larry you often write that even though you don´t have the same opinion about something it is still possible to be friends. Maybe it is something else with family?
The emotional brain will however always win over the rational brain.
Here is some rational thinking though.
I´ve been in the construction business for 30 years with my own company and I tell you,
no building on this earth comes down in free fall and turns into molten steel unless someone wants it to.
Never before or after 9/11 has any skyscraper fallen due to fires
All 3 buildings came down in free fall, which means all supporting beams are cut at the exact same time and/or right after each other. Traches of Thermite all over ground zero explains this. Firefighters also say they hear Boom Boom Boom in the building.
USA has the most protected air space in the world, that year leading up to 9/11, 60 something commercial airplanes was intercepted due to no contact or change of flight path, on 9/11 the hijacked planes cruise around for an hour before they hit the targets, no interceptions were made, apparently all the jets were off for a military exercises, lucky hijackers!
Pentagon has a hole of 5-10 meters in diameter, a Boing 757 is 57 meters wide and 10 meters tall and all the debris just evaporated? The most protected building in the worlds protective system was down for repair on that day, so once again lucky hijackers.
4 passports were found intact, so it was easy detective work, didn´t have to be in the intelligence industry to figure out who did it then.
I really enjoy reading all your pieces on the geopolitical scene, you do a great work! But no matter how intelligent or rational thinking one is, at the end of the day emotions will always prevail.
The “most protected building in the world?” Where did you get that nonsense? You obviously have never flown into National Airport using the northern approach. It would take any plane only five seconds to divert from the glide path and hit the Pentagon. Ridiculous.
…but it wasn’t landing at National Airport. It was flying off its flight plan for nearly an hour.
Right. And your point is? You seem to believe that FAA Air Controllers had magic powers to control aircraft. The terrorists who took control of AA 77 turned off the transponder. Made it almost impossible to track.
Reminds me of how The Saker absolutely banned the Covid topic after professing to be a true believer in the official narrative. Well suffice to say the truth prevailed from time to time and he only stepped in when it got heated.
I respect the need to protect ones self. Perhaps we should move on.
You got into the chat meat grinder today.
But you took the risk as an ex-intelligence man.
Was it worth it?
What was the sense – who drove you?
But at the same time you have experienced that you have a critically thinking and analyzing following here, which immediately rebels if one suspects deception.
I hope you still have integrity.
US Air Force Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski was actually in the Pentagon (in her office) the day it got hit.
She has written about her views/impressions, including those when she went outside, in the moments after the initial impact, and what she saw on the lawn.
I am glad that Larry has a sister who pesters him. I have two lol!
I attended a conference where someone told this story. A family in need was visited one day by a benefactor, who dropped off a large check, and then every month without fail the man would come with the check. One day they waited at the door and watched in disbelief as the benefactor walked past their door and knocked on the neighbor’s door! Of course, they screamed, shaking their fists, “Where’s my check, you SOB!”
I don’t know a single influential person that I follow on current events that I agree with all the time. Here, there is enlightening content, entertainment, like minded thinkers, and some pretty tolerant moderation which indicates respect for the opinions of others. Being rude to one’s host is never good manners by the way, just my opinion!
Larry,
I invite you and those with a background in basic physics to address David Chandler’s analysis of WTC 7’s collapse. The videos show the building falls at free-fall acceleration initially, which would be incompatible with the building’s situation as officially alleged. If anyone can offer a reasonable counter, I would seriously love to hear it.
At under 10′, it’s worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I&list=PL206C1F5EDFC83824
We don’t need to accuse anyone of anything to accept that something isn’t right.
Charles
If it is of any consolation: I have an idiot sister too. But even her does not believe in the official 9/11 narrative…
This is a better video, but it’s much longer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Zkyf–4-I&t=3s
I totally agree with you on the idea of our three letter agencies coordinating something like this is bizarre at best. Could we have known about this and let it happen? Totally believable. The one thing about 911 that has always made me question the narrative is the incredible speed in which DHS was created, staffed and put into operation. I can’t fathom that job descriptions were created, personnel found, offices leased and equipped and infrastructure in warp speed for the private sector and incredibly fast for the government. Big gov does nothing fast.
Can’t help it, gotta share this. I got a sister, two actually, with PhDs. They never got Bs. One in particular, absolutely swears to the official narrative about 9/11, and Covid and the Ukraine debacle.
To me the lockstep MSM conspiracy to promote lies for all these stories makes finding any truth a very difficult journey. My natural instinct is to be a patriotic soldier.
Honorably discharged I feel more patriotic than those who willfully do not protect the US from enemies both foreign and Domestic. This dutiful obedience to Psychopathic liars and their sycophants is destroying the US.
If you are ordered to present truth intel to your superiors and you know you will be cancelled if you do, than what is the honorable course?
Having said that I would not trade places with those forced to choose between banishment and all their perks. Our system can only fail under this paradigm. We are in serious trouble.
It’s a lively debate you’ve ignited Larry, and one, like the Kennedy assassinations, where we will ever know the truth with any certainty. Like many people, I ask, “Cui bono?” But there are still too many conflicting pieces of data to come to a definitive conclusion, so I’m one of the many who don’t have a firm opinion either way. In recent days, I’ve seen some of the old video of people on the street during the morning of 9/11, after the first plane had hit, and some after the second plane, but before the two towers had collapsed. There were too many of them, very excited and breathless, trying to tell the news reporters that they had seen the second plane crash into the second tower, for me to believe that it was missiles that hit the building(s). On the other hand, there was also footage, never shown after 9/11, apparently, of interviews with firemen with bloody faces, before the collapses occurred, who were all saying the same thing, that there were large explosions going off on the ground floor of one of the towers that had injured them and seriously injured or killed other people, and they were wondering WTF was happening, since the fires were still up on the 80th floor or above and they had no idea why there should be major explosions occurring on the ground floor. Perhaps there were gas lines in the WTC that somehow ignited 80 floors below the fire? If there were no gas lines in the WTC, then those explosions are, to put it mildly, rather suspicious and have never been mentioned in media coverage since, to my knowledge.
So while it is clear that this attack was exactly what the DS wanted and needed, and they may have even facilitated it, and were certainly evil enough to pull off such a false flag, it seems to me that the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon were clearly done with hijacked airplanes, but beyond that, it is hard to draw any incontrovertible conclusions.
And if 9/11 was a false flag and coverup, the claims of missiles or explosives demolishing the structures most likely would be disinformation promoted by the plotters, to discredit anyone who questioned the official narrative.
BREAKING: LJ refers to a significant portion of his readership as “conspiracy theorists”.
Here’s another beehive for the room, just in case we needed another one:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cia-bribed-analysts-change-lab-leak-conclusions-senior-level-whistleblower
You’re welcome.
Still love ya, LJ !
How can we understand this weird reporting?
A glitch in the matrix?
BBC Reports 911, WTC 7 Collapse BEFORE it Happens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=677i43QfYpQ
There are too many unanswered questions out-there about 9/11 to hyper-focus on just 1 or 2 and believe that the conclusions of 1 or 2 explains everything.
Many people may not have the data or the verbal articulation needed to remove all doubts. However, deep down they sense that the official story is BS and there are darker reasons for what happen than just “incompetence” . I would even argue that is actually their “incompetence” that is allowing us to find items laying around screaming at “foul play” (like the BBC report above).
Some folks may find difficult to believe that they are people in this world that actually care less about other humans and even enjoy hurting others. They are call sociopaths and usually at the highers levels of organizations running the show.
So basically, in bringing up the fact that BBC reported the collapse of building #7 some 23 minutes before it happened as an anomaly, you are just asserting that you don’t believe in precognition.
You deny the possibility that the lady who read the announcement (which I saw myself on TV) or the person who wrote the text that she read could have possibly had such a gift. I do because I have seen lots of movies with characters who have that awesome ability. I think some people in Hollywood have this ability too.
Case dismissed
I dunno what is your opinion on this guy, or whether it would be lega lto post this in a US blog, but, so far, of all what I have read around this “anniversary” during these past days, this is the compilation of unanswered questions that did more sense to me…and that are out there still without response, I fear….
https://www.bitchute.com/video/6lkD1fBl5OOj/
May be your sister feels like she has many, or at least some, of these questions unaswered too…as taxpayer, I mean…
Especially concerning is the correlation of the Pentagon´s lost huge bunch of budget investigation taking place involving Rumself´s management and the happening of this event, which achieved not only to unleash a thick veil over that whole research, displacing it, but also as a way to justify continuing of spending and “losses” of budget over there at other places, as it is currently happening in Ukraine, where also big pieces of “aid” are nowhere to find what they were spent on….
Also the pointed out Osama Bin Laden´s health issues coinciding with late Benazir Butho´s asessment on his impossible longevity are very telling…
“A former US Secret Service agent who was present when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas, is now challenging a crucial theory put forward by the Warren Commission, which investigated the 1963 killing of the then-commander-in-chief.
Paul Landis, who is 88, was given the task of protecting first lady Jackie Kennedy during the two-day, five-city tour of Texas when he was a young agent; however, he was just feet away when the sound of three gun fires rang out on November 22, 1963.”
So… three shots… not a single bullet. Wow! As I read this I was stunned. You couldev dropped me with a feather. When ex-spooks talk, you better listen.
This guy is 88 so not long for this world, which is a shame because we may never get to hear his opinion about water. Is it really wet?
That was the suspicion from the start, fueled by the grassy knoll issue, but in any case a lot of the witnesses were gone in a few years. Another coinkydink of course.
Is this perhaps just a clever nifty trick by Larry to give his blog a big boost!?
I had read quite some books about 9 11 at that time.
To me it is clear. the official version about the 19 arabs can´t be true.
Especially the Pentagon:
I am sure that there are a lot of observation cameras all around the area.
I haven´t seen any footage where you could clearly see that it is a boeing.
I had a discussion at that time, with a relative. He laughed about my doubts on the official version.
But then he said the following.
He was at that time watching the stocks of one of the companies who then became most affected by the terror assault.
And on that tuesday morning in Germany, the share price of this company at the stock market was falling strongly.
And everybody was wondering why, no one had an idea.
It was morning in Germany . In the Us at that time nothing had happened.
April Gallup that morning at the Pentagram;
John Lear’s Affidavit, on oath
Dancing Israelis
George Washington Bridge and white vans
One simple question to anyone who knows a little about physics: what kind of energy was used since ground around WTC1/2 was extremely hot (200-300 C) for months? Thousands of tons of soil… Hint: in the epicentre deep down there were stellar temperatures.
I suspect that a lot of heat was given off by the bending of the steel on the way down.
I am not a physicist or an engineer but that is what i came up with to explain the high heat.
How do you mainatin that temperature for over 100 days? Melted steel beams, dug up by excavators. There are only two possibilities:
1. continuous active source, like volcano;
2. extremely high initial temperature.
Remains option (2). Nuclear device, detonated deep down. Small earthquake just before, registered by some cameras. Soil prevents from direct radiation & EMP. On the other side radioactive vapours caused abnormal death ratio among firemen, suffering cancer or leukemia, typical for radiation sickness. Incredibly large pressure (thousands of atmospheres) accompanying any nuclear explosion, propagated from down upwards of the buildings, crushing in a second any structural bonds, literally turning materials into dust. Metallic and concrete dust, microscopic dust, covering the whole Manhattan… Top parts of the towers remained intact because of fading pressure wave. But everything beneath reminded mud pie. That’s why upper floors fell without any resistance…
Interesting fight in these comments. There is evidence of deep Saudi involvement that the US covered for in the aftermath of 9/11. The political establishment used 9/11 to further solidify their control over the US. I doubt we’d have gotten the lock downs without 9/11. Even the current hysteria over white supremacy mirrors post-9/11 fervor. Now, the one that has no explanation is the Anthrax attacks.
Th is the best compilation of questions on 9/11 that I wanted to post, I posted a wrong link in my previous comment….
https://t.me/CorbettReport/1294
Only one engine was found at Pentagon! They told the another one melted down! First time in the aviation history!
How do you explain that?
I was thinking to file an FOIA requiest with the government, “please document for me the last time what you told me was NOT a lie.”
Of course! 9/11!
Larry has now found out (or confirmed a hunch he already had) what he needs to do to triple the number of comments under an article and quintuple the number of hits: bring up 9/11
Hallo Larry,
you often make the demand here in your counter-comments,
prove that you once worked for an intelligence agency in order to understand my analyses.
Perhaps it is their problem, outside of their acquired intelligence science, to accept other substantive facts.
Intelligence agencies also have the ability to bring blogs into view as flypaper.
People watched (and still rewatch it) “beautifully” executed controlled demolition of 3 high rise buildings (among those one not hit with absolutely anything) with mountain of evidence (and flat out basic common sense and physics) and still buy official narrative alongside – now over 2 decades old – attempts to coverup and gaslight anything and anyone daring to challenge the official version.
Larry I / We value your input greatly whether it’s Ukraine or anything else, but seriously wake up.
You really have no idea of the amount of time and work required to prep one building for controlled demolition, much less THREE. You have zero experience with this. I have some experience obtained while I was the Deputy Director of the Anti Terrorism Assistance Training Program.
I wrote this some time ago and it still makes sense to me. Even assuming a plot by the Hidden Masters, why go to the trouble of dropping the buildings? It adds nothing to the effect and it a tremendous risk.
https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2018/10/10/ockhams-razor-as-a-guide-to-slicing-nonsense-away/
“911 is an illustration. Let’s pretend that our Secret Hidden Masters decide that a “War on Terror” would be good for them and that an attack on some American landmark by Crazy Muslim Fanatics will start it off. Angry Muslims are set up; easy enough: entrapments are done all the time. The Masters figure out a way to control the planes because they can’t be sure the dummies can or will do what what they’re supposed to do. They block communications because passengers phoning to say the hijackers are panicking too would wreck the story. And, on The Day, the planes hit the Twin Towers, they burn out leaving a memorable and exploitable image: lower two-thirds white, black above: “Candles of freedom” “Re-Light Freedom!” “Remember the Candles!”. The slogans write themselves. Chalked on bombs: 9 and two white stripes with black tops! Not too complicated: most of the people who could reveal the conspiracy die and the few others (who aren’t already in “The Club”) can have quiet car accidents off stage. A powerful effect at minimum exposure.
But suppose that one conspirator wants the buildings to come down. But this would be absurdly over-complicated: it takes a long time to openly prepare an empty building for a planned detonation; how much longer when you have to do it in secret? Every night you have to bet that several hundred people will notice nothing; every day you have to bet that several thousand notice nothing. They all know that the buildings were a target before and they will phone security. And if one person does, the plot is blown. Odds of millions to one, risking everything, for no discernible advantage.
Competent conspirators want their conspiracies to be simple, manageable and easy to execute. They want the risk of discovery to be as low as possible. Keep the buildings standing; it will serve the purpose just as well, or even better, and at a fraction of the risk. So, William of Ockham tells you to stop poring over videos: the controlled demolition stuff didn’t happen because it would have added immense and unproductive complication.”
This really upsets me because if you don’t know that 911 was an inside job you don’t realize that the war with Russia is a direct result of our attempting to overthrow seven governments in five years for dollar hegemony and why the whole Mideast and all the Arab countries are alienated from the West.
In a future post, can Mr. Johnson comment on this?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whistleblower-alleges-cia-offered-officials-significant-monetary-incentive-to-change-view-of-covid-origins
This implies CIA analysts earn bonuses if their bosses approve of their work. If they push back and tell the truth, no bonus.
Larry, you are spot on! But send your sister some flowers. Next time just say a “relative” to be a little more ambiguous. Family is family and why alienate any further.
My question is, does the Pentagon have a serious ground to air defense system now? I hope they do.
not one that can stop a Kinzhal
OMG. Witnessing Americans talking to each other about things like 9/11 just puts the fear of god in me. A nuke now? Heavens above. You’re a bunch of loonies. This is is what greed and privilege and an over concern with material goods and money does to people’s brains: turn them to mash.
Since they are preparing another one for the coming autum/ nestyear, just saw this and thought it was good to recall….and going thinking of what are we going to do about it….
https://youtu.be/BMLmnVtCm10?feature=shared
G´night!
American Airlines Boeing 757-200 livery………
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:American_Airlines_Boeing_757-200_Spijkers.jpg
Video of the hit on the Pentagon 9/11/2001……….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SL2PzzOiF8
There is no evidence of multiple colors on the object that hit the Pentagon….. just white.
A Boeing 757-200 could not fly at that altitude with its engines still attached to its wings.
The blast at impact on the Pentagon is consistent with 300Kg to 400Kg of HE explosive, which is also consistent with similar warhead weight detonations you see in videos from the current bombardments of Ukraine.
Chomsky’s simple point always struck me: If it was an inside job, why were the majority of the hikackers Saudis/Egyptians?
if such an elaborate widely viewed event were so successfully planned and then its planning so perfectly concealed, why use Saudi hijackers? are they explanations?
sure, but no explanation works.
That’s a strong argument. Indeed, even those hijackers who later turned out to be alive somewhere in Saudi Arabia or Egypt and complained that their identities had been stolen were Saudis! To me that means Chomsky is right, as always. The Saudis did it!
I think this topic is so easily infused with cognitive biases. As such, it is extremely important to steelman other’s arguments instead of going to straw man reasoning, and to avoid all or nothing thinking. It’s pretty clear to me your sister’s arguments have huge flaws in them, but it’s still important to not put her in the role of a straw man. Just because her arguments are weak doesn’t mean all of the official narrative holds together.
As others have mentioned, the easiest part of the narrative to question is the WTC building 7 that wasn’t hit. Even though there were some engineers justifying it collapsing, those don’t hold water any more than low quality science papers with big pharmaceutical funding behind them; with enough money you can always find experts to prop up a finding. I don’t know what it ‘means’ any more than I do the JFK assassination, but it’s clear that the official narrative is not the full truth.
We will likely be told lies about the reasons for getting into wars until war is no longer so profitable. But war is a huge racket so that won’t happen any time soon. Until then, it’s better to by default question any narrative that is used to justify military actions.
You are ignoring the testimony of a firefighter who was there and did go inside the building.
My whole problem with 911 was the response. Creation of the Department of Homeland Security. The global war on terror. Countless dead in Iraq and Afghanistan. The erosion of civil liberties in the USA. What happened on that day should not have happened. Soon as those planes deviated from their flight path, interceptors should have been airborne. But they weren’t and no one took responsibility. When Payne Stewarts plane went off course it was intercepted in under 30 minutes, iirc. Why weren’t these? Heads should have rolled. Sure benefited the neocons and the Project For A New American Century for the last 22 years. Pogo was right.
I’ve seen many angles for many years regarding 9-11, and for reasons that don’t fit in a post, I’ve come to the conclusion that it was a Mossad job, with US military, FBI, and CIA looking the other way.
At the very least a reasonable person can see that the only parties that “benefited” from this were Israel and the US MIC, since mere blood lust from Bin Laden was not nearly enough to pull this off.
Journalist Christopher Bollyn built a very convincing case that it was a Mossad job in his book Solving 911: The Deception that Changed the World.
Wonder if Larry’s sister has seen this blog. Must be very gratifying for her to see that at least 50% of Larry’s readers are siding with her on this issue.
Bin Laden never had the resources to pull off 9/11 the only way he would ever have quote unquote pulled it off is if he had help from the inside or as the very likely scenario is the US government staged a false flag incident on itself it wouldn’t be the first time such a scenario ever happened if anyone needs a historical event of a false flag operation happening in the past hundred years simply look no further than Germany back in the 1930s when the Nazis burn down the Parliament building and blamed it on their political opposition. he was nothing more than they ex CIA chud who did their dirty work for them back in Afghanistan against the soviets.
He was a convenient fault guy and also as well when that Seal Team supposedly killed bitten one I highly doubt it as far as I’m concerned the dude was dead long before that. And what I call every last member of that Seal Team who took part in the supposed assassination of Bin Laden Liars directly to their faces yes yes I would I would go far as openly question not only their integrity as individuals but they’re very loyalty to the United States to the American people and to the Constitution.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/ten-irrefutable-devastating-911-facts/5637525 i have witnessed planned demolition of tall buildings and they behaved exactly as the WTC twins and WTC building. Israeli “art crews’ were allowed int eh towers on weekends before the controlled demolitions. no pieces of the planes found at the site but a supposed hijacker’s ID was found in tack! Firefighters at the site said they hear the detonation explosions . Larry Summers took out insurance on both towers shortly before 9 11 what a coincidence on asbestos filled towers . the whole thing smelled of inside job
Greetings, Mr Johnson.
I think that you erred by doubling down on this particular blog which I think you wrote based on your emotions, and not the dispassionate and professional attitude that you usually employ in your writings.
That so many people, myself included, have so many questions should, at least, persuade you to have a rethink.
I am far from being a conspiracy theorist or whatever, but I like to be persuaded by superior logic based on unerring facts.
I don’t know what went down in 9/11 but I can’t accept official versions of events that are heavily criticized by Engineers and Architects, not even when sanctioned by analyst of your caliber.
You might want to watch this interview Judge Neapolitan had with Mr MgGovern: https://www.youtube.com/live/KzqHc_unkA0?feature=shared
So you were going to NY for a Culinary Institute of Amurca bakeoff against the DEA?
So, Larry…I can only now consider you controlled opposition.
It is people like you that prevent any serious discussion of issues. Yeah, all of my criticism of the Deep State and the current administration, not to mention by criticism of O’Bama and Bush, makes me controlled opposition? Yeah, that is real smart.
A deputy chief counsel to the 1976 House Select Committee on Assassinations, Robert K. Tanenbaum’s book, Corruption of Blood is the expose on the JFK’s murder and cover-up by the cia, amongst others.
The grassy knoll was very crowded that fateful day.
The issue is not what hit the Pentagon (no videos ever released from a highly surveilled building), but who did it and why.
The shock & awe 9/11 ushered in the Patriot Act, authored months before (that no US Congress member read before supporting) and the Dept. of Homeland Security, formation of the US national “security state” before becoming the “biosecurity state,” both created long before and formally legitimized into official operation through 9/11.
“The banality of evil” is ordinary people following orders that are sinister in origin, looking the other way to wrongdoing from cowardice and preservation of employment. 9/11 as a whopping lie did not survive unnoticed. The documentary “Loose Change” was the first I can recall exposing the contradictions and inconsistencies in the official story. Withing the first hour of live US major TV network coverage the TV actors and actresses were pushing the Osama bin Laden blame game. Nearly 20 minutes before Solomon Bros. Blg. (7WTC) collapsed the BBC announced its collapse on live TV with the building visible in the background. The U. of Alaska at Fairbanks engineering studied and published the building’s, never struck by anything, collapse sequence in precision detail.
Jetliner, missile, whatever, what does it matter? The icons of US commerce and defence (and a rural field in the middle of nowhere) were attacked, none met and dealt with by US military air defence, as if didn’t exist, all amid multiple real-time anti-terrorist hijack simulation USAF drills.
No criminal investigation commenced. 7 of the FBI’s published hijackers found alive and well and most unhappy to be falsely accused, the steel debris hauled away to places like China, and US off to “forever wars” into $30 trillion+ debt, bin Laden never listed on the FBI Most Wanted in association to 9/11.
Your sister may be an idiot, I don’t know, none of my business, and even less why opting to exploit her considering the many thousands of alternative possibilities. But what all this comes down to is maintaining your reputation and good stead as a truth seeker. Anyone can believe a guy in a cave in Tora Bora with a laptop masterminded 9/11, somehow defied all odds and pulled off the unimaginable.
The truth is not always this side or that side or gray zone but the ability to express why one believes what they believe. And basing an argument on “my sister is an idiot” doesn’t cut it.
The matter of what hit the Pentagon is a red herring and basically irrelevant to the basic understanding of what happened on 9/11. The official narrative on 9/11 stands or falls on what happened to the 3 NYC skyscrapers. If those collapses were the result of controlled demolition, then the whole thing was an inside job, irrespective of whether the Pentagon was hit by a plane or a cruise missile.
And since skyscrapers can’t fall AT FREE FALL SPEED because of a couple of office fires or even because of a plane hit, controlled demolition is the only explanation.
Even NIST admitted that Building 7 fell at free fall speed part of the way (for about 2.7 seconds, I believe).
That’s all we need to know to understand whether 9/11 was the handywork of a bunch of incompetent Saudi Arabians or of a much more competent American secret network.
Agreed. Someone needs to pull his head out of his ass.
Thanks for this post.
Some conspiracies are real, but 9/11 ones are egregiously bad.
A year or so after Youtube was founded – roughly 2 years after the 9/11 commission report – the conspiracy theories were particularly loud. I started doing some OSINT investigation to see if there was any fire under all that smoke.
Among the things I found were a video of a ~6 to 10 story building in the Netherlands or Belgium that had an office fire in a low floor – 2nd or 3rd floor. That building had a similar construction to the WTC – i.e. a steel frame from which the floors were suspended, and it collapsed into a heap after the fire weakened the steel structure. Note this is just office furniture and what not burning, not tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel.
Yet 9/11 conspiracy nut jobs still refuse to admit the possibility of WTC steel structure being weakened enough by heat from burning jet fuel – which, should be noted, can be seen from the smoke billowing out of the WTC towers – to collapse. The subsequent collapse of the 100,000 tons of WTC building materials would obviously not leave a lot of large bits intact.
I also saw the construction photos of the WTC plaza: the entire area was built on a 2 story deep hole in the ground. It doesn’t seem the slightest bit impossible for the twin collapses of 100,000 ton buildings in that pit to have damaged the 3rd WTC building.
I also looked at a number of the so-called independent analyses – ranging from cartoonishly simplistic stick structure simulations to nonsense reports from people who weren’t even civil engineers.
That’s the problem with many people who convert from believing the mainstream – they go from one extreme of sheep-like dutiful belief of the mainstream line to another extreme of believing whatever ridiculous nonsense is spewed out elsewhere.
A few, like Alex Jones, can somehow dance on the line while still being able to ferret out some nuggets of truth but what he does is true talent that regular people try to emulate to their consistent failure.
You are funny.
Not side-spliting, on the floor rolling, stomach hurting, leave your day job and get into stand-up funny, but earnest effort funny.
Above all, you are brave, because after all these years the field of defenders of the official tale is jam packed with aspiring comedians and it takes balls to try to elbow your way through the pack to get noticed. If I were auditioning you I’d say: Keep working and come back with some new material.
You are not funny. Don’t come back with new material.
Nobody doubts that the deaths of JUST the entire Pentagon Accounts department & total loss of their records in a meeting to discuss the 8-11 announcement by Rumsfeld of a trillion $ black hole in the Pentagon budget even if they do doubt the General and the video + photo evidence of a precision USN or USAF Cruise missile strike just after a Boeing 757 made a transponder on then off ultra low flypast witnessed by Larry’s buddies. Having seen photos of many airliner crash sites their common feature is generally the massive engines survive unshredded – there never were any images showing a pair of Boeing 757 sized engines at the Pentagon
I am surprised Larry has not applied his usual high standards of cui bono healthy skepticism to 9-11 because we also know that toxic asbestos filled buildings that were scheduled to cost David Rockefeller billions of $ to demolish legally vanished in a cloud of dust . In their place came a double indemnity insurance claim for $7 billion for the terror attack declared by USG.
Everybody in the Haliburton dominated CMIC won on 9-11 and the losers were taxpayers, victims and the traumatized (ie almost the entire population of the West).
Osama bin Laden denied his involvement in the attacks during a Sep. 29, 2001 interview for the Pakistani paper Ummat:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/interview-with-osama-bin-laden-denies-his-involvement-in-9-11/24697
That would make him the first publicity-shy terrorist in history. Besides, as you are well aware, he and Al-Qaeda (“The Base”) are CIA assets so, if anything, he outlived his usefulness and was used as a patsy. In any case he died soon after from kidney desease:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jan/19/afghanistan.oliverburkeman
Look everyone! Osama Bin Laden masterminded this.. and he knew as well as I did that this would provoke the USA into an endless series of wars in the Muslim world.. that would cause the USA to expend huge amounts of resources in blood and treasure for no benefit to itself …and that the USA would weaken itself enormously in doing so.
In case you haven’t already seen it, couple 911 Truth Bombs were dropped by Judge Napolitano & Ray McGovern on Sept 11, 2023.
9/11 Remembered – What We’ve Never Been Told w/Ray McGovern
Mossad agents dancing during the chaos +
Ray said it’s well documented, that Dick Cheney was in the situation room with others & was asked by a Naval Officer on 9/11 – “They’re 15 miles out now… same instructions?” Cheney “Of course! Same instructions”…. ~ same thing 5 mins before impact.
https://www.youtube.com/live/KzqHc_unkA0?si=F1GWffORJ5xIhYe2&t=581
The University of Alaska Fairbanks using public construction records created a virtual WTC 7 and ran failure simulations on it.
Summary conclusion from their study:
“The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.”
Their analysis, unlike NIST’s which has been classified, is in the public domain.
https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
I have no idea what happen at the Pentagon.
I CAN tell you this. The photo of the large hole in the wall was NOT made by any commercial airliner. The hole is WAY too small, there are NO signs of fire except for very little smoke damage on top of the opening which was caused by smoke coming out of the building.
NO aircraft debris. The small quantity of debris is from inside the build. It appears to me that this hole is from an interior blast.
A close up photo of some very small piece of metal proves NOTHING!
A half a pick up load of other unscorched scrap aircraft parts also proves NOTHING!
From day one I’ve asked, where the hell is the airplane?
I’ve seen dozens of airliner crash scenes. There is ALWAYS massive amounts of identifiable debris.
Oh, “they” say it was ALL consumed in the fire. BS!!!!
When asked what the 6″ of liquid on the floor inside was “They” said it was fuel from the airplane. BS !! It would have ignited and burned until it was all consumed.
The entire day stinks of a rat, many rats.
1°) Quelle est la probabilité qu’une tour tombe sans basculer sur le côté ?
2°) Quelle est la probabilité que cela se fasse 3 fois de suite ?
Hmmmm !
1°) What is the probability that a tower will fall without tipping onto its side?
2°) What is the probability that this will happen 3 times in a row?
Hmmmm!