Remember when Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelinsky said in early June that the war in the Donbas hinged on what happens to Severodonetsk?
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Wednesday the “fierce” battle for the city of Severodonetsk was probably one of the most difficult of the war, and its outcome will decide the fate of eastern Ukraine.
Why it matters: Severodonetsk is the last remaining major city in the Luhansk region of the Donbas under Ukrainian control.
Well, Ukraine ordered its forces to retreat and Russia has taken full control of Severodonetsk.
Severodonetsk Mayor Oleksandr Stryuk announced to Ukrainian television on Saturday afternoon that the Russians had taken control of the entire city.
This came two days after the announcement Ukrainian army He withdrew from the city, which had a population of 100,000 before the Russian military operation, with the aim of better defending its neighbor Lyschansk, according to AFP.
Sky News is reporting on the appalling Ukrainian losses. I am surprised by their candor:
If you can imagine losing 80% of the 82nd Airborne or 80% of Delta Force, then you can understand the horrible significance of these losses for Ukraine’s ability to field a competent fighting force. Reinforcing depleted units with untrained men is not a solution. Plugging untrained war bodies into formerly elite units does not translate into a force capable of fighting effectively. The art of unit war includes knowing how to maneuver under fire, how to set ambushes, how to establish fields of fires, how to communicate with headquarters and how to clean and maintain weapons in the midst of combat. Ukrainian men press ganged into the Ukrainian Army during the past 10 weeks cannot be trained in such a short period of time to master these skills.
Some die hard neo-cons continue to manifest their ignorance of military affairs by pointing to Russia’s slow progress in taking Severodonetsk as evidence of Russia’s incompetent, weak army. What they fail to understand is that Russia was trying to avoid killing the civilians still inside Severodonetsk, who were being used as human shields by the Ukrainians. Putin and the Russian commanders are placing a higher value on saving civilians rather than unleashing their full military might in order to show the world what they can really do. This is a remarkably mature military strategy.
How many more good, brave young men are going to fed into this meat grinder to satisfy the neocons war fantasies?
I look forward to the tribunals after all this is finished.
But will the tribunals involve the real masterminds, like Zelensky and the neo cons? If not, then these neo cons and neo libs (collectively neo-turds or new-tards) will continue their cruel actions in some other part of the world.
James Owen says
No they won’t. Those characters are safely holed up in the U.S. Zelensky might be a different matter, since he’s in Europe, and within reach of the various factions that might want his hide.
The Ukrainians will probably deal with Zelensky like the Italians dealt with Mussolini and the Romanians dealt with Ceausescu.
The neocons are America’s burden and our only possible absolution will be for America to deal with them in a similar way.
press ganged ‘young men of ukraine are not the definition of ‘brave’ , majority of young people of ukraine who can pay already escaped ukraine hell hole..
just like when US govt re-enact a military draft to fight a future war with russia AND china , you will see how fast the heroic young people of america who so tough on social media suddenly go to mexico or canada or feign disability
They are not all Nazis in Ukraine. There are plenty of good young men who actually believe they are fighting for their homeland. I pray they soon realize that Russia is liberating their country or trying to at least.
Yes, I see the most belligerent are always the last to step up and put themselves in harms way. Can you imagine Max Boot, The Psychotic Walrus or Lindsay Graham gearing up to take on the Russians or the PLA over Taiwan?
Lindsay Graham has actually put himself in harms way. He is the type to do it. In fact he has done something like 19 combat deployments.
But yeah Max Boot is one of those who speaks tough but wont put himself near a warzone.
Taras 77 says
Indeed! How many more young men will be fed into the meat grinder?
The answer is found in the blood soaked hands (and “minds”) of the neo cons in state dept and cia.
Tribunals? Not a chance! America of the amnesia class does not do accountability. Tragic, outrageous, criminal, murderous does not go far enough.
This is history being written hourly and the neo con ideologues/extremists will skate off to another debacle and disaster.
Under normal conditions you are right but the future in the US is looking pretty bleak. Very soon there will a lot of people looking to assign blame, it will be our job to make sure the people understand who to hold accountable.
We will dig them out of their bunkers.
Many more judging by the level of these G7 idiots. Crass and childish.
We know none of them would actually have the guts to fight Putin – black belt Judo – let alone on front lines. Yet they find it funny as they send others to die
Yeah sure they destroyed a Russian Column and then buried the Russian Soldiers. They don’t even bury their own men cause most of the time they’re running away from the pounding artillery and I’m supposed to believe they bury Russian Soldiers.
Maybe these elite professional soldiers are the decent ones. It is possible that they did bury the enemy soldiers, but unlikely.
the word ‘elite’ and ‘decent’ are not applicable to ukrop military or their nazi militias
Interesting note in that video – when talking about numbers of dead buried in the area, the Ukrainian commander says maybe 40 in the area they buried “Russians”, but 150-200 where the Ukrainian artillery was firing from. That implies a 5:1 kill ratio ru:ua even back in April when presumably this unit was mostly still professionals.
M Droy says
Maybe but I think we were supposed to be told that the artillery had killed 150-200.
(How much artillery would require 150-200 troops?).
One thing is clear from all the subtitles we see out of Ukraine – translating colloquial Russian and Ukrainian is difficult. I speak neither but am fluent in Polish, and despite having lived 20 years in Poland I still find simple statements often unclear. It is as if saying things that can’t be exactly pinned down but friends would understand is the deliberate aim (and it probably was for many decades).
what a bullshit nonsense from sky news interviewing the ukrop commander and spreading his nonsense claim. if the ukrops have hundreds of dead russian soldiers they will instantly on the social media and western MSM showing stacks upon stacks of dead russian soldiers and their mass graves..
i agreed with larry that the notorious sky news cannot hide the ukrop losses anymore , the reality on the ground must be 10x worse for the ukrops.. and they even inject more fake news about burying hundreds of dead russian soldiers instead of photographing them for propaganda purposses
Are we now being prepared for more intense western intervention by cries of “the Russians are massacring Ukraine”?
I do not think that the west is in a position to intervene effectively in conventional terms though. It sounds as though Russia produces more munitions in a week than we collectively do in a year.
However, the stupidity of our “leaders” is so clear, and their desire not to back down so great that I discount nothing.
British Head of Army – prepare for war over Ukrainie.
Full throttle ahead.
Brits current army is a defence force not an army, less than 100k, some great solidiers but cut to the minimum. Only good as supplementing 82 Airborne and limited special forces.
Plus 2 semi not working ships. And out of the javelins.
Its all bluster. The British Head of Army knows better.
Just thinking what I do most of my life LOL.
I’ll start by saying that I don’t have any insider knowledge, I’m just thinking. These thoughts are based on the mass of public and sometimes contradicting information and I try to draw logical conclusions that are never cast in concrete.
What is the main reason for this WW III?
I strongly compress it. More and more countries are refusing foreign control and the dictates of the USA, but also of the West with increasing vehemence. At the same time, the West is in economic and political decline and even the technological lead is melting away more and more. The money – debt system is no longer controllable. Through the initiative of the great powers Russia and above all China, more and more other nations, even small ones, are being encouraged worldwide to oppose the US empire and the rapacious West, and the latter are joining the new organizations around China and Russia.
BRICS is currently becoming BRICS+.
Why is Russia so slow in Ukraine? Will Russia win the local war?
First, the Russian population sees the Ukrainians as brother people. Apart from the Nazis, who were ideologically cultivated over many decades. But Russia has no interest in a mass murder even of ideologically Nazi-zombified Ukrainian civilians. Civilizing worlds lie between the West and Russia. While the West mercilessly murders tens of millions of civilians, Russia tries to spare as many civilians as possible, at the cost of many Russian soldiers with their lives.
The second question was formulated incorrectly by me, which was a provocative answer.
Russia is at war not only against a Ukrainian fascist coup regime, but against the entire fascist West. The West, with the United States leading the way, now has the absolute will to defeat Russia once and for all. Russia and China are standing in the way of the Anglo-Saxon NWO and from the point of view of the oligarchy it must be established now. The world is currently still in the “prelude” to World War III. Russian, Belarusian, Chinese, Iranian and “allied” forces stand ready for an attack by the US, NATO and other vassals in Asia. In the Donbass, the militias of the two Donbass republics are bearing the brunt of the fighting. Supported by Russian special forces, artillery, missile batteries, navy, air force, reconnaissance and Chechen units.———-
Nur mal nachgedacht, was ich die meiste Zeit meines Lebens tue, LOL.
Ich schicke voraus, dass ich über keinerlei Insiderwissen verfüge, sondern mir einfach nur Gedanken mache. Diese Gedanken basieren auf dem Wust an öffentlichen und sich teils widersprechenden Informationen sowie versuche ich logische Schlussfolgerungen zu ziehen, die niemals in Beton gegossen sind.
Was ist der Hauptgrund für diesen WK III?
Ich komprimiere es stark. Immer mehr Länder verweigern sich der Fremdbestimmung und dem Diktat der USA, aber auch des Westens immer vehementer. Gleichzeitig ist der Westen wirtschaftlich und politisch im Niedergang und sogar der technologische Vorsprung schmilzt immer mehr dahin. Das Geld,- Schuldensystem ist nicht mehr beherrschbar. Durch Initiative der Großmächte Russland und vor allem China werden weltweit auch immer mehr andere, selbst kleine Nationen ermutigt sich dem US-Imperium und dem räuberischen Westen zu widersetzen und letztere schließen sich den neuen Organisationen um China und Russland an.
Zur Zeit wird die BRICS zu BRICS+.
Warum geht Russland in der Ukraine so langsam vor? Wird Russland den lokalen Krieg gewinnen?
Erstens sieht die russische Bevölkerung die ukrainische als Brudervolk an. Mal abgesehen von den über viele Jahrzehnte ideologisch herangezüchteten Nazis. Aber Russland hat an einem Massenmord selbst an ideologisch nazi-zombifizierten ukrainischen Zivilisten kein Interesse. Zwischen dem Westen und Russland liegen zivilisatorische Welten. Während der Westen zig millionen Zivilisten erbarmungslos mordet, versucht Russland so viele Zivilisten wie möglich zu verschonen, was viele russische Soldaten mit ihrem Leben bezahlen.
Die zweite Frage ist von mir an sich schon falsch formuliert, womit ich provokativ schon eine Antwort lieferte.
Russland steht nicht nur im Krieg gegen ein ukrainisches faschistisches Putschregime, sondern gegen den gesamten faschistischen Westen. Der Westen, voran die USA haben den unbedingten Willen jetzt ein für alle Mal Russland zu besiegen. Russland und China stehen der angelsächsischen NWO entscheident im Wege und diese muss aus Sicht der Oligarchie jetzt errichtet werden. Die Welt befindet sich momentan noch im “Vorspiel” des 3. Weltkrieges. Die russischen, weissrussischen, chinesischen, iranischen und “verbündeten” Streitkräfte stehen in Bereitschaft für einen Angriff durch die USA, der NATO und der anderen Vasallen in Asien. Im Donbass tragen die Milizen der beiden Donbassrepubliken die Hauptlast des Kampfes. Unterstützt von russischen Spezialeinheiten, Artillerie, Raketenbatterien, Marine, Luftstreitkräfte, Aufklärung und tschtschenischen Einheiten.
Ich weiss nicht was die USA als Auslöser für die direkte militärische Konfrontation auswählen werden, Kaliningrad, Transnistrien, die norwegische oder finnische Grenze, Taiwan oder was auch immer, aber will das US-Imperium die Weltherrschaft auch die nächsten 100 Jahre behalten und den Planeten auch weiterhin nach Gutdünken ausplündern, dann muss es “jetzt” handeln.
Russland dagegen hofft auf den zwangsläufig erfolgenden totalen wirtschaftlichen Zusammenbruch des Westens. Dazu ist jeder Tag der nicht in eine direkte militärische Konfrontation mit der USNATO mündet wichtig. Denn das wäre das Ende der Spezies Mensch. Der völlig hyperventilierende Westen scheint dieses Risiko eingehen zu wollen.
if you have time to post such a long post , you can translate them before you post in just few seconds.
Just thinking about what I do most of my life, LOL.
I’ll preface this by saying that I don’t have any insider knowledge, I just have thoughts. These thoughts are based on the jumble of public and sometimes contradictory information as well as I try to draw logical conclusions that are never cast in concrete.
What is the main reason for this WK III?
I compress it strongly. More and more countries refuse more and more vehemently the foreign domination and the dictation of the USA, but also of the West. At the same time the West is economically and politically in decline and even the technological lead is melting away more and more. The money, – debt system is no longer controllable. Through the initiative of the great powers Russia and especially China, more and more other nations, even small ones, are being encouraged to resist the US empire and the predatory West, and the latter are joining the new organizations around China and Russia.
At present, BRICS is becoming BRICS+.
Why is Russia going so slowly in Ukraine? Will Russia win the local war?
First of all, Russian population considers Ukrainian as brother nation. Except for the Nazis ideologically bred over many decades. But Russia has no interest in mass murder even of ideologically Nazi-zombified Ukrainian civilians. There are civilizational worlds between the West and Russia. While the West mercilessly murders tens of millions of civilians, Russia tries to spare as many civilians as possible, which many Russian soldiers pay for with their lives.
The second question is in itself wrongly formulated by me, with which I provocatively already provided an answer.
Russia is at war not only against a Ukrainian fascist coup regime, but against the entire fascist West. The West, above all the USA, has the unconditional will to defeat Russia once and for all. Russia and China stand decisively in the way of the Anglo-Saxon NWO and this must be established now from the point of view of the oligarchy. The world is at the moment still in the “prelude” of the 3rd world war. The Russian, Belorussian, Chinese, Iranian and “allied” armed forces are on standby for an attack by the USA, NATO and the other vassals in Asia. In the Donbass, the militias of the two Donbass republics are bearing the brunt of the fight. Supported by Russian special forces, artillery, missile batteries, navy, air force, reconnaissance and Chechen units.
I don’t know what the U.S. will choose as a trigger for direct military confrontation, Kaliningrad, Transnistria, the Norwegian or Finnish border, Taiwan or whatever, but if the U.S. empire wants to retain world domination for the next 100 years and continue to plunder the planet as it sees fit, it must act “now.”
Russia, on the other hand, hopes for the inevitable total economic collapse of the West. For this, every day that does not lead to a direct military confrontation with the USNATO is important. Because that would be the end of the human species. The completely hyperventilating West seems to want to take this risk.
M Droy says
“Putin and the Russian commanders are placing a higher value on saving civilians rather than unleashing their full military might in order to show the world what they can really do. This is a remarkably mature military strategy.”
And the Sky report pretends the opposite.
The west which continues to encourage sending these amateurs into lost battles has definitely loss all moral credibility.
Very surprising from Sky News! The Brits more than anyone are convinced Ukrainie can still win. Their MSM has been the most extreme. Dose of reality will help.
James Owen says
I lived in England for six years. Once an Englishman gets a particular notion in his head, it’s hard to impossible to convince him otherwise, even using undeniable facts and obvious reality. It was very frustrating, to say the least.
Bill Wade says
Some are convinced that Russia will now have to send the current graduating class of the Moscow School for the Blind into the Air Force, others think that if the Ukrainian guys will just retreat enough it will drive the Russians insane and they will give up the fight. Plans for the Great Ukrainian Victory Day celebrations will be revealed any day now.
I remember, and thought it was funny, when the average Soviet citizen would say, “they pretend to pay us to work and, so, we pretend to work. What I didn’t think was funny was when they would say, “They lie to us, we know they are lying to us, they know that we know they lie to us, yet they keep lying”.
“If you can imagine losing 80% of the 82nd Airborne….”
That appears to be just what happened to the Russian Airborne forces early on in the conflict.
Makes you wonder. Is Zekensky just intransigent and heartless in destroying lives. Does he fear his own if he surrenders. Or does he fear / get owned by the West.
Or are they waiting for something bigger to start
Larry Johnson says
I know via friend in the intel community that those numbers came unverified from Ukraine. Turned out not to be true.
i guess material for trolls are diminishing that you keep bringing up the debunked russian paratrooper failure from ukrop propaganda sources. Makes me wonder why you tried to spread FUD and lies here instead of posting in your home the SST blog
Casualty rate of Ukrainian troops is 6x that of US troops in a year in Vietnam. Losses exceed total US Vietnam losses
Chris Chuba says
And just a few weeks ago, I was hearing our celebrity Generals on FOX / CNN call Zelensky was another George Patton. This Gen. was being interviewed about a book that he wrote on ‘what makes a great leader’, he and the host just had to obsess over Russia’s alleged failure in Ukraine.
Larry Johnson says
I don’t recall Patton dressing in drag and wearing high heels.
Chris Chuba says
Zelensky is more like Custer. Putting his own men in a hopeless situation (apologies to Custer who actually had military skills)
Larry Johnson says
I got a big laugh out of that. Very well played.
Just listened to a CNN interview with Antony Blinken. It is difficult to imagine a more deceitful foreign secretary than Blinken is (perhaps former Polish foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski is equally fork-tongued). Asked about the recent military successes of the Russian army in the Donbas region, Blinken said that “strategically” the Russians “have already lost.” (Yes, that’s what he said!). And then he said that “tactically’, the Ukrainians have been fighting the Russians and there have been some “gains”. This, after the official news that Severodonetsk has already fallen. Mariupol and Severodonetsk are the most important cities in eastern Ukraine that have now both been taken over by the Russians. What else will it take for Blinken to acknowledge what is obvious to any intelligent high-school student? Who on earth is Blinken trying to bamboozle?
blinken and many in biden’s staff are practicing what is called vizualizatin technique commonly used by occult magic practicioner. In that if one desires a pn outcome they visualize it in their mind and then keep feeding it day by day by faith , by positive words and by conviction.
sadly this “technique didnt work for this level of conflict , just as hitler’s cohorts of esoteric occultist failed to win the war against russia..
So many people in US under impression that their special operations forces are undefeatable supersoldiers , and even news of defeat and loss of these super soldiers swept under the rug while they are busy saluting everything in uniform blindly.
how many americans know the debacle in kandahar 2001 at mullah omar compound ? where a large group of delta force assaulted the compound while rangers provide perimeter security ? the delta force assault was repelled by mere taliban freedom fighters who use heavy weapons and rockets to defeat the D boys. The delta super soldiers have to ran away with wounded guys among them..
A raid led by Delta Force commandos on a Kandahar compound of the Taliban’s leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, ran into heavy resistance, causing serious casualties. One soldier’s foot was blown off.
¿ A simultaneous raid by army rangers on a Kandahar airstrip was carried out only after forward troops had checked that the area was clear. It was mainly for the benefit of the cameras and to boost the rangers’ morale.
¿ The fierce Taliban response to the Delta Force raid led to a review of similar planned operations, and to questioning of the leadership of the war’s US commander, General Tommy Franks.
According to an authoritative and independent source in constant touch with Kandahar, Delta Force commandos, the most elite force in the US army, searched Mullah Omar’s compound but found it had been stripped of anything that might provide useful intelligence. As they emerged they came under intense fire, forcing them to retreat. The Taliban later retrieved “an American foot”, still in its boot.
“There was a lot of blood,” the source said. “The Taliban had expected an attack. They were ready and waiting.”
During the raid a Chinook helicopter was badly damaged. The Taliban later said they had shot it down and showed off a portion of its landing gear.
The account given to the Guardian was consistent with an article in New Yorker magazine yesterday. The author, Seymour Hersh, said 12 Delta commandos were wounded, three seriously. He quoted a US military officer as saying that the team found itself in “a tactical firefight and the Taliban had the advantage”.
The commandos were forced to retreat to helicopters and abandon one of the raid’s objectives – the insertion of an undercover team into the area, the New Yorker said.
Clonal Antibody says
DPR Minister says 50,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed since February, and likely 150,000 wounded.
Russia tried to avoid killing civilians; that’s why it took so long to take the city? They fired missles today into a crowded shopping mall in the middle of the day. Are you completely insane?
Larry Johnson says
If you can’t conduct yourself with some measure of civility you can go elsewhere. You believe the Ukrainian propaganda. Okay. You’re gullible. You’re forgetting that the air defense missiles that Ukraine fires are the ones falling on the civilian centers. And then you ignore the proven fact that Ukrainian troops are using hospitals, schools and shopping centers as defensive positions and preventing civilians from leaving. I think that means the term of insanity may apply to you. Russia has repeatedly avoided incurring civilian casualties. You apparently didn’t learn a thing from Mariupol
Yeah okay pal. Many, many hundreds of non-Ukrainian journalists in that country to report on what’s happening. Many dozens of video clips posted daily from all over the country showing remains of Russian rockets all over the place. Tell us where the Russian missles are landing then, if not slamming into apartment buildings and shopping center? Or maybe that’s all a hoax too which only you have uncovered?
Larry Johnson says
“Many hundreds” of non Ukie journalists? I don’t have time to waste with a retard. You’re done.
I think it would be a mistake to view developments in the Donbass and Ukraine in isolation. Therefore, I ask for your understanding if I digress a bit.
Just thinking. 🤔
What would happen if the US makes peace and ceases hostilities against Russia? The weakness to enforce its imperial interests would be exposed. The loss of face would herald a historic turning point. Massively, the countries of the world would resist the pressure of the U.S. and place themselves under the protective umbrella of the great powers Russia and China, which, moreover, would not interfere in the internal politics of their countries. At least not by blackmail and force, as the West does. For me, this leads to the conclusion that the USA, from its point of view and understanding, must continue the war against Russia and China. No matter what sacrifices (especially Europe) it has to make.
The war, which the USA cannot win, will be fought to the bitter end and Russia and most governments of the world know that.
Since this war will inevitably lead to a direct confrontation with Russia, and you can bet on it, it will extend to other countries and regions, the NATO countries will be directly affected by the acts of war. We can only hope that individual NATO countries will unilaterally stop the war in time before nuclear weapons are used.
I repeat, the U.S. cannot afford to make peace at all. That is simply what logic tells me. Unless a cease-fire to consolodate itself on “Great Reset-Europe” and continue to prevent it from economic cooperation with Russia and China, which would totally cut off Europe from energy and raw materials. The wars in the underdeveloped South to obtain raw materials as an alternative would in turn drive these countries further into the arms of BRICS+ in the short and medium term.
The clammy hopes of European 404 would not work out. They should put aside their arrogance and ignorance in time before the final catastrophe occurs.