There are still a number of unanswered questions about the incident that downed the MQ9 Predator off the coast of Crimea on Tuesday. Let us start with the facts:
- The MQ9 drone was conducting an Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance mission in international air space off the coast of Crimea.
- The MQ9 turned off its Identification, Friend or Foe (IFF) transponder.
- Russian air defense systems were tracking the drone.
- Russian jet fighters were scrambled to intercept the drone.
- The United States and NATO have been flying drones along the Crimea coast for more than a year.
- The drone was brought down without a shot being fired by the Russian combat jet fighters.
So far the United States and Russian military are sticking with the same story — i.e, one of the planes clipped the drone’s propeller accidentally, which cause the drone to crash.
We are in full blown Kabuki theater. The United States insists this drone was harmless, just minding its own business, when an incompetent Russian pilot failed to control his plane. Russia insists there was no contact with the drone and claimed the drone turned sharply and fell from the sky.
Russia’s Foreign Minister Lavrov’s comments on the incident makes it clear Russia viewed this drone as a threat to its security:
Our military gave an assessment, which was reproduced by our Ambassador in Washington, Alexander Antonov. He outlined, including to journalists, how we regard this from the point of view of global security. He was invited to the US State Department, where he was presented with completely unfounded claims regarding the violation of the freedom of aeronautics.
You have heard representatives of the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs of Staff say that the United States will continue to fly wherever it pleases “in accordance with international law.”
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/48682
Russia’s Ambassador in Washington reacted sharply to calls by American officials, specifically Senator Lindsey Graham, to shoot down a Russian jet interfering with a U.S. drone:
“ Intentionally attacking a Russian aircraft in neutral airspace is not just a crime under international law, but also an open declaration of war on the largest nuclear power ,” he warned. “ An armed clash between Russia and the United States would be radically different from a proxy war that the Americans wage remotely against us in Ukraine. Is the Capitol ready to expose American citizens and the international community to the risk of all-out nuclear war? Answer, dear senator! “
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/37513
If you look closely at the picture of the MQ9 Reaper above you will see that it is almost impossible for a Russian jet to just “hit” the propeller without causing other damage to the drone. That kind of impact would have caused the drone to start tumbling, probably end over end.
The U.S. claims to have video footage of the incident. Really? Then why has it not been released. If the video supports this U.S. account of the incident this would be a major PR coup. It would expose the Russian Ambassador lying for his country (this would not be unique to Russia, all Ambassadors from all countries are known to lie from time to time). Russia also has video footage from both planes involved in the intercept. Why is that video not being released?
One possible explanation, the Russians used some kind of electronic weapon system that disabled the drone and caused it to crash. Russia does not want to release any footage that would show the drone being disabled.
I am confident this action was planned by Russia in advance. They chose the time and place to bring the drone down because they had their naval recovery vessels already in place to pick up the wreckage. If Russia recovers the intelligence sensors on that bird it will be able to analyze and develop counter measures to hinder future collection.
I think the United States and NATO are going to rethink their use of drones in the Black Sea area of operations. Russia laid down a clear marker that it is not going to allow untrammeled intelligence collection that can be used for planning and operations against Russian forces.
This is not a video game. Russia, from its perspective, is defending its homeland. As I mentioned in my previous piece, how would we react if Russian drones were flying along the Mexican/U.S. border collecting intelligence on the deployment of U.S. border forces and passing that information to the Mexican drug cartels, who in turn would use that information to flood the weak points of our border with illegal migrants? Americans would be rightly outraged. So why do we think we can do what we are doing and expect the Russians to roll over like a beaten dog and do nothing?
That is the reason for the title of this article. We need some adults in Washington, D.C. to quiet all of the belligerent threats and work on defusing this confrontation with Russia. If we do not, this will end badly for the United States.
Sadly, the supposed to be adult in the Hill and the White House turn out to be kids wearing adult skin.
And Lindsay Graham is insane. They must have some real good dirt on him. Maybe they caught him with a dead boy or a live girl.
The psycho Graham likely has a control file on him kept by Israel a mile long. Schiff already has his ass in a slinger exposed in a pedophile ring. Graham is probably next.
Pathetic disgusting vile politicians are the epitome of scum.
In French there is a sentence to explain this kind of person: “bien que n’étant pas une femme , c’est un con”.
There are inoffensive “cons”, he is a very stupid and dangerous one.
I am French and have NEVER heard this sentence. EVER! I think you made it up. It is also very vulgar towards women. Some women read this blog, you know? Now, I do agree that Graham is wacko. There are much better French words for this type of person. Un trou du cul, peut etre? But, but, but……maybe we should stick to English, n’est ce pas?
You just insulted, “scum”. These morons like Graham are on a level much lower than whale excrement.
Offal is awful in the Marianas Trench.
Lindsay Graham, who posed on camera with John McCain giving Libyan Al Qaeda boss Abdelhakim Belhadj an award, is the kind of chicken hawk who is terrified of the sound of gunshots but is always eager to cheer on bloodthirstily from far, far behind the lines.
The odor of Graham is why he did not get even a sniff in the SC primary when he ran for president.
I’d place a bet on it being a young boy. Females aren’t to his taste.
Lady Lindsey agrees!
perhaps he got unhinged when his rumored lover john mccain passed on
You might want to Google either
Lindsey Graham ladybug
or
LadyGraham
It is also said that AIPAC is a major contributor to Graham’s campaigns.
See, e.g.,
https://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/grahams-jewish-cabinet/
where Graham is quoted as saying in 2015:
See also
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lindsey-graham-all-jewish-cabinet-israel
So much for talk of the MIC!
yup keith i have read and heard the rumors lindsay which is also a girls name is an a f turned m. the same for justine castro and even zelensky. i checked out the hashtags and who knows. it is very disgusting if true.
the bottom line is the west especially for the most part become the movie below.no wonder the rest of the world laughs at us. i think this movie really sums up mr. johnsons latest post. Maybe the creator every eon or so after a segment of humanity gets this dumb lets the majority of us destroy ourselves and the strong smart genetics survive to start it all over again like the cycle shown in the matrix movies.
idiocracy 2006
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
i agree with the review below. in some ways it probably applies to all of us.
You can tell this movie is accurate by following the reviews by date
You can tell this movie is accurate by following the reviews by date. The earlier reviews are much more intelligent and well written and lengthy than the more recent reviews. This proves that people are getting stupider and stupider as time goes on as is mentioned in the movie. I can even feel it happening to me.
https://www.bitchute.com/embed/UEQHlsPaJh6T/
Disk-sucking, bunghole-banged Graham is wholly-owned by the MIC.
Lindsay and his good buddy McCain were in Ukraine with their Nazi buddies after Trump was elected. He is deep in sh** with the criminal cabal in Ukraine.
Miss Lindsey wouldn’t be caught dead with a live girl.
The US MQ-9 drone had turned off its Friend or Foe transponder, because it was conducting a Spy mission toward the Russian military base on Crimea, but was detected and intercepted by the Russian Airforce, off the coast of the island.
The Russians may have used its electronic weapon system to disabled the drone and caused it to crash, Just like Russia disabled USS Donald Cook with 2 fighter Jets when it entered the Black Sea in 2021.
No US or NATO vessels have been into the Black Sea since that incident, so maybe the drone incident will make the US and NATO stop using drones in the Black Sea.
The MQ-9 drone landed so close to the port of Crimea, that Russia naval vessels were able to recover the wreckage before the Romanian Navy (Scrambled by the US) was able to arrive on the scene.
Russia now has the intelligence sensors of the drone, and will be able to develop counter measures.
The insistence that the US drone was harmless is the usual childish lies coming from the US, whenever it is caught in military provocations, clandestine terror attacks, or outright theft of foreign assets.
1. How can a Russia military base be “international airspace” for a US spy drone?
2. I have seen no reports regarding the US and NATO having been flying drones along the Crimea coast for more than a year. Show us the reports
3. I have seen no reports that the US and Russian military are giving the same story. On the contrary.
And as expected:
Senator Lindsey Graham now calls for shooting down any Russian jet interfering with US drones.
However, attacking a Russian aircraft is an open declaration of war on a large nuclear power.
Just as the attack on Nordstream was an attack on not only Russia but also against its European allies.
This makes the drone incident a classic US provocation to be used as an excuse to escalate the US proxy war in Ukraine into a World war.
And that is what the Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs in Washington wants.
They are now faced with another economic crash in America and hyperinflation just around the corner, so they need to lock down America in state of war, in order to keep the dementia in office and the uniparty on graft.
When the US puts Boots on the Ground in Europe, don’t expect to be welcomed by other people than Political and real Whores.
Instead Americans Should put Boots on the ground in Washington, and clean house.
Yankee Go Home.
The USAF is perfectly capable of spying in plain sight in international airspace. The reason to turn off IFF is to provoke a response. We don’t need video of this released anymore than we did of J6. We already know the narrative.
Americans today are a different breed. The formerly antiwar left are cheering the slaughter, pushing for more, and the peaceful anti-gun left are calling for the national guard to disarm the citizens with deadly force.
I sad to say that despite the design of an armed populace as a bulwark against tyranny has been a total failure.
The US population has been totally and effectively mind raped. They will do nothing except wave the flag before folding it over their children’s caskets.
Most are completely incapable of recognizing and acknowledging the real enemy.
I don’t know what the future holds for the rest of us, but it doesn’t look good.
How innately intelligent people could be so effectively herded and controlled blows me away. Actual sheep occasionally try to escape the pen, Americans make it a point of pride to be herded and controlled. Not only that but by following some of least impressive people imaginable.
Look at American political figures such as Harris, Graham, McConnell. Would hire any of them for anything?Pennsylvania actually elected a guy who is medically certified as brain damaged!
The danger is not that they are competent but they are insane.
@AT,
Not all Americans, but definitely (and sadly) a majority. Probably in the 70-80% range. The 20-30% of Americans who are disgusted with the corrupt scum in D.C. , our state governments, the WEF, the U.N., etc. see the lies and deceit and corruption for what it is. We know who the real enemy is. How to fight back? That is the question. The good news is that these scum do not have “global” control and therein, hopefully, lies their undoing. Russia, China, Iran, India, many African and South American nations are now engaged in moving away from the USD and the west’s control (BRICS+, etc.). I’ve read where these “break away” nations represent about 70-80% of the world’s population. That means even if the elite scum implement all of their control measures (not likely), they only have about 20-30% of the world under their control. Not very global and not very dangerous (anymore) to the majority of the world. I’m 71 yo, if I were in my 20’s or 30’s, I would move to Russia. Go Putin!!
Pardon my overly pessimistic attitude here. But where I should see outrage I hear crickets.
But you are correct, were we not as armed as we are they would be stacking skulls like Khmer Rouge
That is a positive thing, the world has pretty much had enough of Washington’s bullying, but they are not coming to save us, that responsibility is ours.
Tja Alex , in Deutschland ist es nicht anders…
Ich vermute das gleiche in den meisten Landern. Haben Sie die niederlandischen Wahlen verfolgt?
“The formerly antiwar left are cheering the slaughter …”
The left in the West in every country but Denmark have abandoned their anti-oligarch workerist roots and embraced service to the oligarchy in exchange for fat stacks of cash and the illusion of social status (like the conditioned human cattle that they are). Old school socialists like Jack London would call them lunatic traitors.
“I sad to say that despite the design of an armed populace as a bulwark against tyranny has been a total failure.”
Respectfully, I dissent. It is a matter of degree. If we were unarmed, that Genrikh Yagoda wannabe Alejandro Mayorkas would have already started stacking us into killing pits. The potentiality of effective resistance is there, and they DO fear it. It’s why they are continuing to push to take rifles away from white men when the OVERWHELMING preponderance of gun crime in this country is African men with handguns. The only concern I ever hear about handgun control is when it comes from local Democrat-run cities afflicted with crime, and their concerns are studiously ignored at the country level. The post-American ruling class does not care about dead children in Detroit or crippled women in New York City. They care about removing threats to THEIR prerogatives, not the health and wellbeing of their herds of serfs.
The Virginian gun rights march is down the memory hole for most, but the 40k-110k rifle-armed white men marching in solidarity for our foundational rights sent them into a panic. The chittering rodents in Washington DC have not forgotten, and I think it is highly likely that the march preconditioned them mentally for their insane response to the Jan6 protest against electoral fraud.
Yes you are correct. I wonder if it will be enough. They know confiscation squads will fail in most places.
I hope we have the backbone to stand up when the time comes.
It seems the USS Donald Cook “incident” was in the Baltic Sea, from Wiki…[footnotes omitted]
On 11 and 12 April 2016 a pair of Russian Su-24s performed several low-altitude passes on Donald Cook while the ship was conducting exercises with a Polish helicopter in international waters in the Baltic Sea 70 nautical miles (130 km; 81 mi) off Kaliningrad. A Russian Ka-27 “Helix” anti-submarine helicopter also circled the destroyer seven times. The U.S. Navy released photos and videos of the incident on 14 April, and the U.S. government lodged a complaint with the Russian government. In response to the U.S. Secretary of State commenting on the incident and saying that “under the rules of engagement, that could have been a shoot-down”, the Russian Federation Council’s official Igor Morozov said that the U.S. likewise “ought to know that Donald Cook approached our borders and may already be unable to depart those.”
As regards the Black Sea…
On 23 February 2020, the ship entered the Black Sea, marking the seventh time a U.S. ship had entered the sea in 2020. While in the Black Sea, the ship conducted routine maritime security operations. USS Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) departed Naval Station Norfolk on 26 March, to replace Donald Cook as one of the forward destroyers located Rota, Spain.
You have to go back to 2014 to find the Donald Cook Black Sea incident. The story has been mostly scrubbed from the internet. You can find the story on Thierry Meyssan’s site voltairenet.org in the archives on 8 November 2014.
Forbes says
“It seems the USS Donald Cook “incident” was in the Baltic Sea in 2020”, from Wiki…
I Say.
Wiki my Ass. The USS Donald Cook was showing off in the Black Sea back in 2014, but was towed to the port of Constanta Romania after its meeting with 2 Russian fighter jets. After that experience the staff of Donald Cook resigned. https://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
However the USS Donald Cook tried its luck a second time in the Baltic Sea in 2016, by testing the nautical border of the Russian enclave Kaliningrad.
That didn’t turn out so well either.
Forbes also wrote:
“On 23 February 2020, the ship entered the Black Sea, marking the 7 time a US ship had entered the sea in 2020”.
And I previously wrote:
“No US or NATO vessels have been into the Black Sea since that incident”.
(US) merchant ships were allowed to enter the Black Sea prior to the war in Ukraine.
(USS) military vessels are quite another matter, because of the Treaty of Montreux signed by all Nations washed by the Black Sea.
Maybe Forbes is employed by the Globalist Forbes Magazine,
or Wikipedia has gotten amnesia regarding 2014?
“Sadly, the supposed to be adult in the Hill and the White House turn out to be kids wearing adult skin.”
I’m sure that there are multiple adults there, wearing skins of kids.
Don’t put ideas in their psychopathic heads. They are violently unstable enough as it is.
Late-stage empires in terminal decline are quite the spectacle.
If they made Idiocracy today, nobody would laugh and it would compete in the Documentary Feature category.
War for the US is a game. Just another video game. But the Russians are not playing games. As I write here:
https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/dont-fear-the-reaper?utm_source=twitter&sd=pf
” I am confident this action was planned by Russia in advance. They chose the time and place to bring the drone down because they had their naval recovery vessels already in place to pick up the wreckage.”
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In that area the Black Sea is deep. It goes down to over 2,000 meters (this is why the Sevastopol port is close by). So, without a mini submarine and/or specialized deep diving equipment is not possible to recover anything. So, the only ones able to recover the drone are the Russians.
I hope you don’t expect any Hollywood type of rescue from the American side. US has a base in Romania, but I doubt they have the necessary equipment there, or/and Romania wants to piss off Russia, more than necessary. They’ve done that few times in the past, and it ended bad for the Romanian side.
So, the recovery of the drone is settled, it will be done sooner or later by the Russia.
I believe it may have come down over the continental shelf.
Shallow enough for some pro-Ukrainian scuba divers to grab it for the US. Keep an eye on yacht traffic.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Katerina-Kombiadou/publication/264971949/figure/fig1/AS:392050223665159@1470483465706/Black-Sea-bathymetry-the-location-of-the-3-stations-used-for-the-calibration-of-the.png
Good bathy – knew it was deep, but not that deep.
Not yet seen any info on the location of this incident.
If recovery ship/s were ready, what location? Any-one?
West of Sevastopol, somewhere around that 500 line.
MQ-9 crash site
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/8228077.html
Per
Norway
Let me introduce you to the pride of the Black Sea Fleet, the veteran salvage ship Communa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_salvage_ship_Kommuna
“A double-hulled catamaran, she was laid down at the Putilov Factory (now the Kirov Factory) in St. Petersburg in November 1912 as Volkhov. The ship was launched the following year, and commissioned on 14 July 1915. “
Russuans say the drone turned and dropped sharply.
I can’t shake the image of the Russian pilot flying alongside and doing a V1 intercept-style wingtip flip.
Seems more easily achievable than trying to interfere with the prop.
This is probably what happened. In any case if the drone had been brought down “electronically”, it would not have required any close approach by Russian planes and Russia, in all probability, like the Iranians did a few years ago, would have landed the drone intact instead of crashing it in the sea.
The reports from Pepe Escobar state the satellite link was severed causing it to crash. This is different to taking control and landing it. Still falls under the umbrella of EW, but is an interruption rather than seizing control.
And seems to be the most likely scenario.
More likely the Russians took control of the drone electronically and forced a stall right by the recovery vessel. They planned this. You dont do WW2 type V1 wing flips in a modern jet, thats a ridiculous story, seems like team Biden cant even build a useful lie/cover story anymore.
Consider, an MQ-9 drone weighs about 4900 lbs, has a max takeoff wight of 10,494 lbs. It has a wingspan of 65′ 7″ and a length of 36′ 1″. This things built like a glider, to cruise at lowish speed at high altitude for extended duration. It’s not designed to be particularly manoeuvrable or robust.
An SU-27 weighs in at 36,100 lbs, with a max takeoff weight of 67,100 lbs, and has a pair of beefy jet engines with afterburners when they want to hit the toe. It’s designed to take high loadings and high speeds…
Now consider what happens to a 4,900 lb aircraft with a 65 foot wingspan when it encounters the wake vortex and jet blast of a 36,100 lb aircraft. You don’t need any fancy electronic Wunderwaffen to take this thing down without firing a shot. Just the gonads and skill to get real close and personal.
A sudden roll will likely throw off the drone’s gyroscopes, at which it will likely enter the “uncontrolled flight into the sea” that Russian sources claim.
Wake vortex encounters happen in commercial aviation despite separation distances being regulated, not so good if you’re in a little 737 or A319 when you get too close to a Jumbo or A380, and can be fatal.
Or a Cobra maneuver above the MQ-9. Use Su-27 thrust to damage the drone’s propeller and control surface.
Wake turbulence. Any pilot receives training on wake turbulence as part of his/her training. Heavy aircraft with small wings (typical modern jet fighter aircraft) produce the most wake turbulence. Just fly above your target , slowly passing it, and wait for it to spin out of control. If the target’s autopilot or remote drone pilot recovers, repeat until low enough that when it spins again it hits the water/ground.
“As I mentioned in my previous piece, how would we react if Russian drones were flying along the Mexican/U.S. border collecting intelligence on the deployment of U.S. border forces and passing that information to the Mexican drug cartels, who in turn would use that information to flood the weak points of our border with illegal migrants? Americans would be rightly outraged. So why do we think we can do what we are doing and expect the Russians to roll over like a beaten dog and do nothing”
It is much worse and with malice. What would the US do if Russia overthrew the Mexican Government and armed them to the teeth to the point they started shelling Texas? Saying Texas belongs to them and was illegally seized in 1848. Then when we fight back the Russians start flying drones for intelligence to target and kill our soldiers.
“Mexican drug cartels, who in turn would use that information to flood the weak points of our border with illegal migrants? Americans would be rightly outraged.”
This is exactly what is happening today and I see little general outrage. I have come to the sad conclusion that Americans are frightened poodles, that is the ones that don’t support this whole heartedly.
Agreed. It may be heating up further as per this story this morning:
https://tass.com/emergencies/1589639
Explosion to blame for fire in FSB Border Guards office in Rostov-on-Don
It is reported that one died and two others were injured
MOSCOW, March 16. /TASS/. The fire in the building of the FSB Border Guard office in Rostov-on-Don occurred as a result of an explosion, emergency services told TASS.
“The fire in the Border Guard Directorate’s building was caused by an explosion,” the source said.
One died and two others were injured.
In the afternoon, a fire broke out inside the building of the FSB Border Guard Directorate. Its center is in a storage room on the second floor. The fire is 880 square meters in area. A team of 112 fire-fighters and 33 pieces of equipment are involved in dealing with the blaze.
Larry,
“If Russia recovers the intelligence sensors on that bird it will be able to analyze and develop counter measures to hinder future collection.”
That depends on the effectiveness of any anti-tamper measures that may have been built into the sensors on the aircraft.
https://at.dod.mil/What-Is-Anti-Tamper/
https://acqnotes.com/acqnote/careerfields/anti-tamper
But I’d expect the Russians are as capable as anybody at reverse engineering the technology.
Jet fuel seems to be a good counter-measure
Presumably, if the drone was being shadowed by a Russian jet, it would take evasive maneuvers if it could, which would make it very difficult to impossible and dangerous for the Russian pilot to bring it down by dropping fuel on it or clipping its propeller.
OTH, if communication to US pilots was lost, the drone would fly a straight line, making such maneuvers at least feasible.
IMHO, the cover stories stink.
I think your idea of EW taking control (or GPS spoofing it to drop) are less reminiscent of rotting fish.
As I asked on the prior thread, why now and not last week or next week? My first guess is it relates to the “Odessa Moment” – insertion of US forces into Odessa – and the most dangerous moment in the war, by moving US intel out of the Black Sea.
The Laws of Physics say that It’s impossible to hit that prop in the way they describe. Maybe it was a meteorite, or a gremlin.
The SU 27 is the most maneuveriable airplane in existence and is the only airplane which can do the cobra maneuver. To further also illustrate the skill of Russian pilots, I want to show a video on youtube, which shows how well trained Russian pilots are on this plane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Cgxy7N-V0
To the Fuel dump on the drone, that could be just the afterburner. The fuel would lowered the drag, further combined that the planes fly close enough to the drone and you can provoke a stall. If the control system of the drone, doesn’t have a proper edge case for stalling and getting in a turbelance, then the drone will start to rotate on it’s own axis towards the ground, combine that with a stupid operator who has no clue about aviation and the drone will drop like a stone.
I had seen that video before, but very nice to watch again, especially the smooth vertical stall/recovery.
Its the speed differential that is the problem – stall speed (for most loiter time near target) is just 62 mph. Vertical thrust mode is poor for chasing if the drone takes evasive maneuvers, and the drone could attempt a ram, which would send a message too.
https://www.tech-faq.com/us-drones.html
I think that YouTube video is a sim,check the comments
The video of the hovering jet fighters is a fake. How do I know? There is no disturbance whatsoever on the ground beneath them, no dust, no displacement of vegetation. All the stuff on the ground would have been whipped into a frenzy by vectored jet exhaust.
Didn’t the US spend 2 $700 thousand missles to bring down one of the Chinese spy balloons . Russia brought down a 35 million dollar drone without firing a shot . When expensive is far greater the productivity something has to give .
Those are model airplanes, the video was debunked when it came out four years ago.
Unmasked? The radio-controlled model airplane crew is on the grass! The Toys have the colors of the aerobatic team “Russian Knights” from Russian Air Force, for air shows that exist in reality. I saw them live in Paris. With Folcrums and Flankers. In maneuverability they are unbeatable. And there was an ex-US Navy pilot next to me. There is many videos on you tube and no pilot in the world questions the maneuverability of this platform! The MIG-29 was developed with the SU-27 and that’s why they are so similar. But only aesthetically. The Sukhoi is much bigger. It was conceived as a fighter of air superiority and bomber but as multifunctional as the MIG. And both super maneuverable. They hit the platform so well that they are still produced with updates today.
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/commercial-vehicles/168672-sukhoi-su-27-flanker-russias-eagle-killer.html
And saying good things about this platform should not serve to denigrate large American aircraft, namely fighterjets. From the 80’s like the F-14, 15, 16, 18! From great engineers and great companies. The US has always been the vanguard of aeronautics! The problem with the US MIC today is the business model. Made for someone to earn a lot of money and not thinking about the operability of the aircraft in the case of planes. But the same with turbine tanks. All people involved with the F-22 and F-35 for more than 30 years should be arrested. And it’s not worth making up wonders about two Cancers! The F-22 soon left production and the F-35 is going the same way! Models that cost more than the defense budget of many countries. Stealths like the old spy planes to shoot 500 km away from the enemy? There are missiles for that! In the world of weapons, there are also a lot of lost people building weapons today that will be obsolete tomorrow! But in the meantime great fortunes are made.
And then order F-15s from Boieng on a production line in the Middle East! Because structurally no original F-15 or F-18 can continue in active duty? Which is another thing I don’t understand. Russia operates strategic bombers 50 years old! And Russia also has a lot of problems! Especially cash! Otherwise, it would also develop new planes! And the same in the drone industry. This reaper costs more than an SU-27 on the export market! In fact, it costs more than two!
F-22 RAPTOR FRAUD
https://youtu.be/KaoYz90giTk
With respect Arthur
I do not want to be knit-picking but in the interest of the real facts with respect to the link you provided. First that video is of MIG-29 not a Sukhoi.
I too was fooled when I first viewed that same video last year when a friend sent me the link. I also failed to read the notes posted on YouTube video.
NOTES from YouTube below the video as follows:
Now you can fly the Mig-29 OVT and pull amazing aerobatic manoeuvres that even the full size pilots cannot perform.
Record your flight and then play it back while flying your own jet again to see if you can keep tight formation with your first flight!
Filmed action from the Aerofly RC 8 flight simulator. AVAILABLE HERE: https://www.ikarus.net/en/# The realism of the flight model is amazing as is the graphics. Hours of entertainment for the novice and expert RC pilot.
To further confirm these are model jets conduct search using following criteria
“Mig-29 ovt model kit”
Refer: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mig-29+ovt+model+kit&hps=1&atb=v278-1&ia=web
And this video of same model MIGs where at 2min 03sec the film of MIG-29 hovering in the sky and in lower left side of the shot the man is standing watching next to a car park and overhead shelter – that is not a real size MIG jet
Refer: https://youtu.be/uSySd3jpv-g?t=123
However you are not at all wrong about the superiority of the Sukhoi and the MIG jets compared to what the American and NATO forces might hope to compete against them with. The following explains why.
Now for some real Sukhoi flight demonstration and acrobatic manoeuverability – awesome
Sukhoi Su-35S Super-Flanker Extreme Flight Demonstration incl. Insane Kulbit Maneuver!!!
7min YouTube
Refer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCIsLc-rdMo&ab_channel=KNIGHTFLIGHTVIDEO
There are no jet fighters in American or other NATO forces that can come anywhere close to matching the manoeuvrability of the Sukhoi jets.
After pursuing early development of TVC (thrust vector control)) technology, American jet fighter manufacturers decided not to pursue designing their jets to be able to perform such incredible aerobatic control, choosing instead to concentrate on armament advancements and delivery of lethal missiles over much long distances that they figured would eliminate the need for close quarter dog-fighting and the much more acute manoeuvrability required for such close-quarter dog fighting. That decision by the Americans was a really bad one because regardless of distance involved the ability to quickly brake in mid-air and dive in any direction in order to line up on target quickly clearly bestows great advantage.
Following in article below there is a really interesting list of various thrust vectoring technology developments that has been undertaken in many jet fighters including the development back in 1997 of the McDonnel Douglas X-36 which they canned before going into production, along with some other proposed American jets. In the conclusion of this long article on subject of TVC it explains why Russia continued to develop it to the degree that it has, as opposed to American and other western jet fighter manufacturers having preferred not to pursue TVC to the same extent as the Russians have although they do employ more limited and less costly TVC controls to the degree that it enables assistance with aerodynamic control manoeuvrability at high speeds
Why is Russian super-maneuverable thrust vectoring more prevalent than American?
Link to same above
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/33451/why-is-russian-super-maneuverable-thrust-vectoring-more-prevalent-than-american
and for those of you who might be interested as I am in this awesome technology, and the just as awesome skills of the pilots flying these jets, this is a thrilling view into the best of the Russian MIG-29 and Sukhoi fighter jet pilots performing their aerobatic stunts
The Swifts and The Russian Knights. Behind incredible air stunts by MiG-29s & Su-27s
26min YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUcYLxXS6mw&ab_channel=RTDocumentary
and for some wider comparative perspective
The so-called top jet fighter in America, the F35 – after $1,727 trillion dollars wasted over many years now trying to get the F35 fully flight functional it is still encountering problems – but Lockheed Martin executives are laughing all the way to the bank as they have now perfected the art of manufacturing trillion dollar boondoggles that can be dragged on for decades in the singular purpose of stealing more money from the American taxpayers who are being robbed blind by the military industrial / banking complex that has enslaved the land of the free and the home of the brave (sick joke) – and which is clearly intending to enslave the rest of the entire world.
Now let’s compare the F35 rubbish to the MIGs and the Sukhoi jets that the Russians have fully functional in the air.
Is the F-35 Program at a Crossroads?
Refer: https://www.pogo.org/analysis/2021/02/is-the-f-35-program-at-a-crossroads/
from the article:
Pentagon leaders had expected 2020 to be a big year for the $1.727 trillion F-35 program. The long-anticipated full-rate production decision that would have allowed the F-35 to move beyond testing and development and into mass production was scheduled to be made by 2020. Coronavirus-related travel restrictions hindered some development fixes in 2020, but any such impacts were minor compared to the many long-standing issues with the program that predate the pandemic. As the F-35 enters its twentieth year, program officials have delayed the important full-rate production milestone indefinitely because the program still can’t complete the initial operational testing phase.
In the case of the F-35, the developmental testing done to date has already revealed major shortcomings, but the most serious flaws emerged once the F-35 was in the hands of real operators in the field during operational testing.
And if you really want a great laugh this is a report authored by Bill French who is a policy analyst from the National Security Network of America, which details the clear superiority of the Russian MIG-29 and the SU-27 over the American F-35.
Analyst: Russian MiG-29 and Su-27 Top American F-35
https://www.military.com/defensetech/2015/08/12/analyst-russian-mig-29-and-su-27-top-american-f-35
from the article:
according to Bill French, a policy analyst with the National Security Network, a Washington, D.C.-based think tank that favors progressive defense policies. He’s the author of a report released Tuesday by the organization. It’s titled, “Thunder without Lightning: The High Costs and Limited Benefits of the F-35 Program,” a pun on the jet’s official name, Lightning II.
and
Lockheed Martin analysts indicated that the F-35 could be expected to achieve only a 3-to-1 kill ratio against the decades-old MiG-29 and Su-27 despite its advantages in stealth and avionics. The results of other simulations have been far worse. In one simulation subcontracted by the RAND Corporation, the F-35 incurred a loss exchange ratio of 2.4-1 against Chinese Su-35s. That is, more than two F-35s were lost for each Su-35 shot down. While these simulations take into account a host of other factors and include assumptions about the context in which the engagements take place, they nevertheless underscore the need for skepticism regarding the F-35’s air-to-air capabilities.
Unfortunately, there are insufficient data on foreign 5th-generation fighters to allow for meaningful comparisons. Three such fighters are known to be under development: the Russian PAK FA and the Chinese J-20 and J-31.
Here is another less known fact evidencing the superior thinking that Russians apply to the development of their jets and other weapons – and as you read this just consider how elementary this is and think about that fable ‘For want of a nail a shoe was lost – for want of a shoe a horse was lost – for want of a horse a soldier was lost and so on.
How are modern jets modified to takeoff/land on a dirt runway?
Refer: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/19411/how-are-modern-jets-modified-to-takeoff-land-on-a-dirt-runway
from the article:
MiG-29s and similarly-minded Su-27s, and their variants, have special doors to close off the lower intakes normally used in flight, instead drawing in air through the gill-like ports over the top of the wing strakes. This prevents the engine from ingesting dust, rocks, birds, rodents, etc on takeoff and landing.
This feature is an incredible advantage in the heat of battle where bombs and missiles might be landing in airstrip proximity and throwing debris into the air. Most American jets do not have this feature – they chose not to include such basic sensible system due to the extra weight and so they cannot take off on runways that are not meticulously clean as the smallest pebble being sucked into the jets will simple destroy the jet turbines, which means that if runways have not taken direct hits and are still operational but laden with small debris then they require long time for large mechanical sweepers to clean all the small debris away – meanwhile enemy jets are swarming overhead. There are however a few lesser known US military aircraft which have recently provided such protection but there numbers are few. And as the article points out these MIGs have much bigger and tougher tyres than the latest American jets which also enable them to take off and land on much rougher terrain than the very smooth clean runways the American fighter jets need for take-off.
Nothing the Americans or NATO can field is capable of competing with those Russian fighter jets in any aerial combat situation – contrary to the fictional MSM propaganda spiels about how much more advanced America is in all military weaponry.
But this is not anything new – MIG superiority goes back the Korean War when to their shock American pilots were suddenly having to contend with hitherto totally unknown MIG-15
It is a fascinating but little-known history
The Jet that Shocked the West
How the MiG-15 grounded the U.S. bomber fleet in Korea
Refer: https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/the-jet-that-shocked-the-west-180947758/?page=3
@Arthur
The SU-27 is really good, but it isn’t the only aircraft able to do the cobra. It isn’t even the first. The first I knew about that were able to do it were the Swedish Saab 35 Draken, and published publicly accessible knowledge state the same.
@Allan Mountain
The Saab JAS Gripen is also made to be used from public roads, and the road network in Sweden is adapted to be used this way. And the aircraft is made to be serviced by conscripts from mobile service stations. I don’t know how it fares on dirty strips.
The F-35 is a sick joke. And this were evident early in the project phase. Decisions to remove internal fire extinguishers in attempts to curb excessive weight tell something. The support systems were just as bad. And horrendously slow.
The airplane is slow too, and have problems with the paint pealing off if the pilot tries to approach its slow maximum speed. “Thunder without Lightning” is very apt. It is noisy, a single exposure without protection risks permanent hearing disability for people, animals, and birds, anywhere close to the aircraft. Particulary airstrips, but also farms, residental areas, and nature in general.
It’s not for nothing that threats were necessary to force vassals to buy it.
That’s a nice simulation. Here’s the real McCoy in action though.
https://youtu.be/MtlLVexLfrQ
Absolutely right Larry! And continuing with the same reasoning stop the war and the human carnage that should never have started! And with Ukraine falling apart, they are already trying to open a 2nd front again in Georgia! The US should never have deployed missiles in the Black Sea that threaten Moscow, just as they did not accept missiles in Cuba, and that’s fine! And Ukraine should remain neutral as it was committed to in the Treaty of Budapest! This war is 100% the responsibility of the USA and NATO! To disconnect Europe from Russia, overthrow the Govt in Moscow to assault Russia again like in the 90s with Yeltsin’s puppet! And it has been a multiplier of US defeats in the world like now the Saudi agreement with Iran. God willing, stop another horrible war in Yemen that only the US is interested in keeping! And stop threatening China! The world wants peace and is tired of wars and US unilateral sanctions! Who don’t own the world! It would be good if they could stop another bank crash impacting the whole world again!
Few more things about the Black Sea. It’s not a ‘normal’ sea but some sort of private lake shared by the six countries Ukraine, Russia, Georgia, Turkey (Türkiye), Bulgaria, and Romania. Ukraine will probably lose the access to the Black Sea this year, or next one.
So, there are only 5 countries with Black Sea access.
Turkey holds the ‘keys’ to the Black Sea because you go in/out through the Bosporus and the Dardanelles straits into the Aegean Sea > Mediterranean Sea > rest of the world. Russians built some access by Don River channels to get bigger ships into Black Sea.
After hundreds of years of fighting in this little private lake about 100+ years ago the countries bordering the Black Sea, decided, that they had enough and put Turkey in charge what military vessel goes in and out. There is a limit of time, tonnage, weapons, and other little things specified in the protocol. So, is NOT everybody going in and out because there is freedom of navigation, and democracy and other crap.
For sure US can be there ONLY if a bordering country invites them and they are that country’s problem if its guest doesn’t behave as per protocol.
There are those suggesting this is all just part of the plan that the few that own us are going to shut down the financial system, impoverish 99% of the world, start a nuclear war and die.
These folks are this stupid. Hare brains don’t pick a fight with someone that can beat them up unless they want to get beat up. We have far too many that practice this international masochism for profit.
After all these years we are surprised the psycho’s became the government? Like AOC said to Nancy Pelosi, “They aren’t afraid of us anymore”
Maybe our government WANTS to get us all killed.
I don’t think so. The US is clearly out of control! Just remember how not long ago they wanted to control all the Oceans in the world like no Empire had ever managed before! Words from one of the most important think thanks in US foreign policy and which is certainly on everyone’s mind today in the White House. And then look at a world where the US loses soft power every day! With China ensuring every day that the energy it needs and the goods it sells are further and further away from the reach of the US Navy! This conflict in Ukraine was clearly a game changer. A hornet’s nest where the US should never have entered. Worse, only sanctions and the theft of Russian reserves for all the world to see! But Russia’s resources are very attractive and the State itself can no longer do without stealing resources in some part of the world! Just for the health hole, you can’t continue print more debt! Already the oligarchs who run the state is another conversation!
Who control the most responsible for all crises today! MSM completely in the pocket of its shareholders only says what they want. Journalism is dead in the US. What if 90% of Americans don’t know what’s going on in Ukraine? It’s called neoliberalism! Although people like to call it many things. It is simply a phase of neoliberalism that we have never experienced. Normal, it’s been 40 years of neoliberalism! Whoever studies the phenomenon knew perfectly well that he was going to get here. With MSM and even all Universities under control! Mastering all sources of knowledge is one of the ultimate goals of neoliberalism! And just as there are no civilizations without laws, there is also no market economy without regulation! And the US today does not respect any international law and is completely shackled by the financial markets and the big banks completely deregulated! And some might not like to hear it because conservatives tend to be very fond of Reagan but the deregulation of financial markets started with Reagan. Even if he wasn’t aware of it. The Chicago Boys fucked up the US and much of the world. UK is even worse! But if anyone knows a country where the boys from Chicago have achieved good results… It’s only called neoliberalism because after economic liberalism destroyed the whole country in the crash of 1929, the word was so toxic that no one ever used it in economics again. Later, with the financial regulation of the new deal, it re-emerged as neoliberalism. And in the last 40 years, it managed to abolish all types of regulation that hung over the financial markets and banking. And the world only knew so much accumulation of wealth in feudalism! We need another great Revolution! And it should start in the USA!
They can also expect the rest of the world to fully de-dollarize their economy and debt. Which is happening much faster than I imagined. Because with or without another big bank crash, the US today cannot survive alone with Europe as its hostage! Neigther Europe!
the US is preparing to unleash biochem warfare on Russia and China.
again?
I think it is obvious the game is to escalate. The Nazi Neocons want to create direct war with Russia. They think they can win hands down – no contest.
There are no adults in the high offices of Washington or any of its Western vassal states.
This drone issue is once again simply showing how American leaders are doing all they know how to do and that is to continue behaving like spoiled idiot children.
Here is another classic example of the way the leaders of the NATO countries behave and still somehow manage to not only get elected over and over but they continue to manage to have the majority of their citizens believing that they are the only sensible adults in the room.
Get this:
Two African leaders just put the French President and former President of the German Parliament in their proper places and publicly showed them up for the arrogant idiot fools they are.
Here is the 52sec Twitter video of the tense exchange between French President Macron and President of Congo Félix Tshisekedi
refer: https://twitter.com/thefoxposts/status/1632822156286361605
and following link is the 1min 19sec Twitter video of Hage Geingob, President of Namibia, during his meeting with Norbert Lammert, former President of the German Parliament, expressing his opinion about Germany lecturing and warning his country about the Chinese.
refer: https://twitter.com/incontextmedia/status/1631391425135779858
Did you get that?
Nobert Lammert actually telling President of Namibia (quote), “There is in Namibia, for example, the number of Chinese people living here, in the meantime is four times as much for example the German community. And it’s so far not precisely the same as what takes place around the world” at which point Geingob interrupts Lammert and talks to him like a very patient adult dealing with a spoiled child.
Hage Geingob is the grown up adult in contrast to the sulking spoiled whining child Lammert.
It is beautiful the way Hage Geingob replies to Lammert, how he chuckles derisively, addressing Lammert as Mr speaker – not Mr Lammert – as follows: “Mr speaker what is your problem with that? Why does it become a problem? It looks like a European problem more than our problem. You are so sorry for us”. Then Geingob follows on to detail the big difference between how the Germans treat Namibian people and how much better the Chinese treat and deal with them.
As for the history of how Germany treated the Namibian people during the German colonial rule – it was a horror show – much like every other Western colonial domination of all the nations around the world in which they stamped their rule with genocidal viciousness and violence as they went about enslaving the people to mine and extract and give away their own valuable resources under the cruelest of conditions.
Check this
Namibia: A timeline of Germany’s brutal colonial history
refer: https://www.dw.com/en/namibia-a-timeline-of-germanys-brutal-colonial-history/a-57729985
and then to have to suffer an arrogant idiot like Lammert having the gall to tell you in your own country that you are hosting too many Chinese into your country – totally disregarding the fact that the Chinese are going out of their way to be good friends delivering funding and technology to build valuable infrastructure that is lifting your people out of poverty.
The best thing that the Western nations could do now would be to grow up, take a good hard look at themselves and finally wake up to what a bunch of murderous treacherous monsters they have been and how badly they have dealt with all those once extremely weak, impoverished and vulnerable peoples in what they used to refer to as the ‘Third World’; and then ask them for forgiveness for the misery they inflicted on them over decades, and then ask how they might make amends and mend fences and go about working together with them as equal adult partners to develop real freedom and prosperity for all peoples in all nations. But sadly we know the Western nations will never do that – they will continue acting out an absurd black comic tragedy pretending that they are the Aryan super-beings, the master race who have a natural right and supremacy to rule the world and everyone in it.
But back to the big drone issue.
The children want war and they will get it as they continue to act out like spoiled children throwing tantrums and breaking things and forever provoking the adults when they cannot get want they want on demand.
Give the neocons the boot and Save America.
Tar, feathers and railroading them would work too.
http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/tar_feather-e1520530614639.jpg
That might have been a Tory but it’s close enough.
The Russian jets did something clever to this drone without touching it. Russia proved it had enough, and the US bluff that our drones “just watch the seagulls” in Crimea won’t fly.
I’m not a fan of public humiliation, but I think flogging will benefit Graham and Nuland tremendously. Whom to complain about them? Inspector General? Ethics department? They are running amok! We are just lucky that Putin is level-headed enough.
Don’t think it’d be the first flogging for Graham.
Wasn’t Lindsay seen loitering around airport baggage claim with some fine looking young woman but a bit heavy on the lipstick the other week?
Also, incapacitating this drone easily doesn’t do the wonders for its sales.
https://dsm.forecastinternational.com/wordpress/2021/06/30/france-orders-additional-reaper-block-5-uav/
since1990 US start to comme here in Romania! Nothing new for me! We can’t do nothing because they put agents on parlament , army etc! Nobody likes war, only US!
See, you got rid of Ceausescu and found another pestcu.
Whoever put Victoria Nuland in charge of USA foreign policy should be made to walk her around the trenches in Ukraine. One day those poor people of that country will realize that being a proxy for the USA doesn’t pay (unless at the top of the chain). Milley had better hope that the Russians don’t recover, then dangle what’s left of the Reaper from a helicopter, parade it around like a trophy for a photo op ,and then give it the Iranians for analysis. Maybe Xi will give Putin a high five when in Moscow and the conversation turns to weather balloons. If the US had serious opponents, they would be trying to figure out how to wreck the Western banking system by carrying forward the work of our own home grown criminal incompotents. Leadership, what me worry.
The continental shelf drop off is steep around that part of Crimea.
It’s possible that the crash site is just 200m deep.
Or like Mr P Frog says over 2000.
Pretty sure it’ll be Ru finders keepers, US losers weepers.
Remember the furore caused by the “Chinese spy ballon”, not to even mention the kids toy balloon? Maybe intelligent kids will be better than self-important adult politicians.
Lindsey Graham, idiot, called Biden many bad words; he did not demand his resignation, nor promise taking steps to remove the demented gangster/idiot from office.
That is step #1, followed by arresting and charging Jake Sullivan, putting him in jail, and allowing him to confess all his crimes, in particular our state terrorism against ally Germany.
That he, smack dab in middle of, among various and sundry perfidy.
Right now US Military is in charge of our foreign policy; and so de-facto Sullivan and Biden are temporarily de-fanged, hand-cuffed from more acts of general human nastiness & terror.
Our media apostles, hiding all these facts.
Jail Sullivan, that is a shot across the bow, and required step getting rid of Juvenile Delinquents from White House, and place educated and mature men and women in their place.
This is simple and obvious first step: lance these boils .
Sullivan is a Maniac, and hasn’t this Lap Dog already done enough damage? Arrest this scum of the earth! Immediately remove Biden the Idiot; we all know he’s gonzo.
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Another false flag:
Just released photo evidence shows that pro-Ukrainian sky-divers in a Cessna landed on the Reaper’s fuselage and took it down.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vJ-iH09QguA/TeTAvnKeegI/AAAAAAAAANc/SOUISAJMP8w/s1600/Gremlin005a.png
LOL!LOL!LOL!!!!!
Haven’t these Reaper spying flights been going on routinely in the same area through the entire SMO? But this time the transponder was off, so the Russians downed it just because of that? Some kind of red line with protocol rather than the spying/targeting/etc. itself? Or maybe it’s just time for some mutual escalation?
Not in the same area. They used to keep their distance. This one came too close and with transponder off, like some kind of gift for Russians to take (down), or maybe a provocation of someone thinking that Russians won’t have balls to take it down, because they don’t really have “red lines”. It seems that neither side is interested in escalation, for now.
The widely reported multiple fuel dump & flying in front of the MQ9 by the Ru pilots, reminded me of an annual event we witnessed in Brisbane.
The RiverFire Festival always got the crowds fired up with a F-111 ‘dump & burn’ finale.
Could this be the petrol head Ru tactic that sent the drone to Davy Jones Locker off Crimea?
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=brisbanr+river+fire&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DD2Vq3EyRI9w
The only adults in the room are the Russians – and their pilots are demonstrably better.
Joe calls VVP: hey Vlad ole buddy, need news cover for our trillion$ gift to dead yankee banking, so, here’s a drone flying close, kill the drone will ya, no worries y’all will look real good & we’ll kiss & make up & say peace maker Xi put in the fix. Ta
They probably want to get intel for Ukraine thus they removed the transponder.
They probably thought Russia is too incompetent to be able to intercept the drone, just as they let a balloon fly across their airspace.
They probably thought Russia would be weak and feeble, and dare not shoot down the drone, which would let them collect enough intel like the so-called China spy balloon.
They probably thought that Russia wont consider to retrieve the downed drone, after all it is US asset. However, when US downed China balloon, they attempted to retrieve it anyway.
Austin talked to Russia’s defense minister, “As I’ve said repeatedly, it’s important that great powers be models of transparency and communication. And the United States will continue to fly and to operate wherever international law allows.”
I really think that Russia should agree to what he said. Its time for Russia to start sending drones near US. As long as its international waters its fine right? Probably can send a few ships with nuclear warheads stationed near there for patrol. Oh, and also ask US to let them look into all the US bases. Transparency right? After all, transparency means both parties can just scan your country, and communication means you can attempt to invade Russia airspace without giving them a heads up. So I am sure US won’t mind!
They probably want to get intel for Ukraine thus they removed the transponder.
Probably?
Then again, maybe they were just counting porpoises.
International law does not allow a non-belligerent power to fly its warplanes or sail its warships into a war zone.
There is no question that there is an armed conflict between Ukraine and Russia, and absolutely no disputing that this armed conflict stretches out over the Black Sea and in the sky above it. Just as the surviving crew of the Moskva if you doubt it.
So the Black Sea is a war zone. A belligerent power is ENTITLED to declare a no-fly-zone in an area of combat, and any “non-involved” country is not entitled to challenge the military authority of that belligerent power by flying its warplanes into that no-fly-zone.
I mean, honestly, why would anyone at the Pentagon refuse to acknowledge that point, as it is so obvious to be self-explanatory?
You can’t fly your warplanes into a war zone AND still pretend that you aren’t a participant in that war.
Those are mutually-exclusive propostions.
Problem with all these adults is not just that they are juvenile, thoughtless, unaware, and lacking discipline.
They are completely un-self-aware.
I fear that is a problem with the population at large in this phase of Western dis-civilization.
A note to the empire of lies, “Ho, ho, ho! Well, if it isn’t fat stinking billy goat Billy Boy in poison! How art thou, thou globby bottle of cheap, stinking chip oil? Come and get one in the yarbles, if ya have any yarbles, you eunuch jelly thou!”
— Alexander DeLarge
Ivan is a big dumb vodka swilling lout and the Moscow Green Zone will be up by July.
The gas station with an economy will run out of ammunition and money any day now.
With the Iran Saudi peace deal brokered by foreign policy genius Brandon, their power is down a notch.
Russian territory? The world belongs to the indispensable hegemon.
Sort of like the United States is a military industrial interventionist complex with a stock market?
When I look at the behavior of the Anglo-Saxon financial oligarchs and their affiliated media and politicians, I think of Roland Emmerich’s independent day movie. I leave it to the imagination of the reader who actually fills which role here in the story.
@ Derek,
Welly welly well, what Bolshy Yarbles!
A Moloko Plus for you.
Hi Larry!
The official Russian position is that Su-27 fighters did not interact with with MQ-9 UAV any way. There was no dumping on fuel on it, no physical contact and no use of weapons.
This drone incident took place in international airspace but inside NOTAM-restricted airspace. NATO aircraft and dromes have avoided entering this NOTAM-restricted area for over a year. This was first entry into it.
Clueless ‘experts’ from the US were saying Russian jet was pissing on the American MQ9 drone. Interesting times.
Likely Dsrv already on site for recovery or detonation, but this assumes that milley cares unlike in afghan junkyard.
I have given some thought to Nuland’s horrific crimes and to what would be a just punishment. Flogging or public execution have been suggested, but neither really fit.
So, I suggest a sentence of ten years, no parole or pardon, no holidays or weekends off, on call 24/7, as an orderly in a Ukrainian public hospital.
A fully public trial outlining details of how one family (all childless, if only all their fellow neocons/liberals/leftists were too) virtually dictated Iraq, Afghan, and Ukraine policy for nearly two decades.
After speedy trial and conviction then yes a tenner at the Ukraine enema facility on the janitorial staff, no pay little food (if still an appetite after such work) to help it lose weight rapidly.
Sorry, but no. Public execution in a particularly brutal and painful way, remains displayed in a gibbet next to those of her neocon buddies. To discourage anyone else from treading the same path in future.
Too easy, put her on corpse detail in Ukraine gathing up all the dead bodies from the battlefields regardless of how long they have been laying there decaying.
We do have to ensure she gets plenty of food, though, lobster thermidor, caviar, chocolate chip cookies, etc. With any luck, we’ll see her continue on her current path…. and she’ll eventually just explode
There was an incident a few years back, two Russian fighter aircraft buzzed a US ship a few times, the ship went DARK, as in zero electronics were working, NONE, nada, zero. The ship turned tail and split the scene. Of course we complained about the “unprofessionalism” of the pilots fling too close to “our ship”, which was a totally harmless WAR SHIP in Russian waters, just minding its own business, thousands of nautical miles from home, exercising its right to go where it pleased in “international” waters, that just happened to be chin shaving distance from Russia!
That was obviously not reported in US news and likely scared the pants off the Us Navy. The Russians have some serious capabilities, some of which we know nothing about. We’ve spent too many years, drone bombing wedding parties and goat herders.
Rammed the propeller, right. Show me the paint damage on the nose of the Russian aircraft and I might believe it. Izzy Stone, famously said “The official story is ALWAYS a lie!” You want the truth? Go to page 17 in the NYT and you might find one column inch of truth. That’s another quote, but not exact, like what, 20 or 30 years ago? He was a guy in wheel chair, starting a newsletter to make a living, BEFORE Substack.
IF Stone was an ideologically inspired operative assisting the KGB.
I’m sure you have reams of evidence for that. But no matter, Stone was an excellent investigative journalist and a brave one. Take a look at his Wikipedia entry. He denounced Stalin’s purges and execution of Soviet citizens and likened them to the Nazi purges in Germany. This was in the 1930’s when the American left was extolling the Soviet Utopia, the new Soviet Man, and of course falling all over themselves to meet Uncle Joe.
OT. Some good news.
Today an article from The Daily Mail about Bakhmut losses appeared in my google feed.
I just looked at the top five and bottom five liked comments.
All the top five were critical of the war, with special mention of the how the public in the UK had been duped.
All the bottom five were of the “We need to send F16’s” variety.
This is heartening news, because The Mail has huge readership and represents Middle England more than any other paper.
The results were the complete opposite of what I found last time I made such a comparison a few months back.
This suggests a major shift in public perception here in the UK, and is something to be cheerful about.
That is a good sign!
You need to send F16 to Ukraine and then all 10 comments will be about the deceived public in the UK.
They are critical of the war because it started to affect their asses. They feel duped because they expected only others to suffer, like in all other recent wars. Nothing heartening about it.
Sort of like the United States is a military industrial interventionist complex with a stock market?
Since 2014 I think, I’ve read the DM comments from time to time. They’ve always seemed like a French mob ready to march on the Bastille.
Can’t figure how the Brits get away with running their foreign adventures like they do with such an angry mob sparking at their heels.
As I posted in the previous article and this passage here “One possible explanation, the Russians used some kind of electronic weapon system that disabled the drone and caused it to crash. Russia does not want to release any footage that would show the drone being disabled.”
The Russians used EW as they did with the USS Donald Cook as was plainly admitted and explained by this Russian English video. This video explains in detail what also happened to the drone by deduction.
https://youtu.be/ZuL6zF2c2BQ
Here are two short videos shot by sailors on the USS Donald Cook of the Russian jets buzzing the ship
https://youtu.be/CftHVYALiUc
https://youtu.be/ylONaw4ODuk
The reason this incident has gotten what appears to be a childish rise from DC or a frightened reaction. may be due to the fact that this incident has proven to the US that Russia has figured out a way to disable the mighty Aegis system as this video explains.
https://youtu.be/5eGwlcz545Q
Another video “…turning of the Aegis system as if with a TV remote control ”
https://youtu.be/8s4sKAMgYsU?list=PLEpr4aa9rk9pLnFwJtq2gsqSVx9WdrxHD
The similarities are the close with the drone. The drone was turned off and captured in a pre-planned operation.
Could it be that the USS Donald Cook caused the US to strengthen the Aegis to where it thought it invulnerable; only to be surprised that the Russians can still turn it off on demand by buzzing the US asset.
This might cause some heads to explode, I am just the messenger.
With regard to Ambassadors, lying is not new!
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(Sorry if this is a double post, I got an error last time, so thought the system might have been doing maintenance.)
“5. The United States and NATO have been flying drones along the Crimea coast for more than a year.”
Larry, are you sure about this? I remembered monkeywerx reporting a couple of weeks ago that the US was upping drone penetration into the Black Sea at that point in time. I found that video again and cued it for you. He was tracking a ‘Q-4’ at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is_Pz1IJhNk&t=823s
This is my theory: The US has recently been pushing the envelope with their drones in the Black Sea, hoping to get intercepted aggressively. Then they downed the drone themselves because the real goal is to get a US Navy recovery vessel in there to somehow escalate further. That could explain the hokey story about a propeller strike and the general faux outrage.
Turkey has to agree to ignore the provisions of the Montreux Convention before any US Navy vessel can enter the Black Sea.
Hard to see why the Turks would agree to that, since once they concede that authority they aren’t likely to be able to get it back again.
Anyway, the argument is specious. There are other countries that have a shoreline on the Black Sea, so the Americans could fly a Navy Seal team to that country and hire a boat there.
Best not to linger over any undersea gas pipelines if they do…….
Foreign warships are allowed inti the Black Sea under the Montreux Convention with restrictions, such as 10,000 tons per ship and no more than 15,000 tons total.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits
Unless there is a war going on.
The US said today it is not going to try to retrieve the drone because the waters are too deep where it went down.
America provides money, military equipment, the logistics to move it onto the battlefield, provides intelligence and plans operations using this intelligence.
This generally defines “active participant” in a war against us.
I already expressed an idea yesterday and I will repeat it again: Russia is deliberately drawing the United States into the war in Ukraine, because until the United States is defeated on the battlefield, there will be no peace.
Do you think there is logic in this?
I’m from Russia, by the way. Only the translator for some reason identifies me as a man. And I am a woman from Kazan.
Yes, i think you’re right!
Nuclear powers do not want to engage each other directly on the battlefield because that could escalate quickly to nuclear war (that’s why we have all those proxy wars). The goal of Russia-China “alliance” is to defeat USA-EU “alliance” on the economic and diplomatic battlefield (deindustrialization, dedolarization, decolonization of Africa, etc.). Empires need to collapse from the inside.
Gera, your idea is plausible, but I am not sure it is correct. It would be much easier for Russia to “defeat” the US by sinking the US dollar hegemony. Without that, the US would have a much harder time acting like a global bully. And if Russia can cause a dollar collapse, then they can defeat the US without sending any of their men into harms way against a wounded and dangerous dying empire.
It is NATO in particular who Russia wants to remove.
yOUR COUNTRY IS TOO FAMILIAR with the horrors of war to wantonly instigate full on war.It is the forgetful West that will ,in their ignorance,”Cry Havoc!and LOOSE the DOGS of war”.
Thank you for your opinion. We will soon find out what the Russian leadership is up to.
Gera,
All conflicts are also conflicts of perception and Geta knows yours! One thing is for sure, in the West we have never seen a disinformation campaign like today. But let me tell you one thing. Under international law Russia could bomb Poland today! And more, whatever Western propaganda may say and even eventually some Western court, it was not Russia that started this conflict. And I can give examples of fellow lawyers much more versed in international law than I am! And Russia has been doing everything not to escalate the armed conflict!!
In my opinion, Russia’s big mistake was not having intervened in the coup d’état in 2014 as it did in the attempted coup in Kazakhstan! Enough Yanukovitch ask for peacekeeping assistance. Like Assad. The 100 dead on Maidan Square should have to be an international scandal that nobody talks about because only Russia could have exposed it to the world! And in 2014 was ashamed the entire international community. Namely the US that did it and the EU that legitimized the coup! Like could have intervened after Yanukovitch’s fall? Nato couldn’t be training troops in Ukraine!Much less dump millions into arms since 2014!
Paulo, I’ve saved your little comment as an occasion for a big discussion.
You reason logically, but on the basis of limited facts. I, too, do not know everything, like all of us, I see the tip of the iceberg. But I understand that Putin did everything he could in 2014 and even more than he could count (Crimea).
There are no visitors under this article and even you are unlikely to read my comment. But I think that we will return to this issue when the occasion arises.
Gera, that “Russia is deliberately drawing the United States into the war in Ukraine”.
Whoa! That resonates! A game of chicken. Russia is now in the position where it really can call US on its bullshit. The Russians know this war is going to continue, so choose to have it on their own terms. And to have it sooner rather than later. It’s only the attrition game as the next level. Ahem, “only”.
That makes perfect sense. It means the Russians are counting on the existence of someone in US backing down. I sure hope they are not misjudging that. They have found that being cool and restrained doesn’t work against the madman, so yes, time to up the game.
It’s my sense that some in US are all hot and wet to have a war, that they /enjoy/ the prospect. So maybe the Russians say, “Let’s roll.” How else can it end?
I am a woman from Kazan only the translator for some reason identifies me as a man. .
If it’s the google translator then it’s no wonder why.
To your point: It could very well be. The US looks to weaken Russia. If Russian in turn looks to weaken the US, then I guess that’d be par for the course.
‘Russia in turn’. Damn, I wish there were a pause for correction.
Hi Gerda,
I read it and I believe you are probably right. As I wrote, I am absolutely sure that Russia did everything to avoid conflict! How is doing everything to avoid escalating the conflict to a WWIII. Even one of the Ukrainian propaganda chiefs has come to admit that Russia only entered Ukraine to negotiate. What I also realized on the 24th of February. Maybe it’s still my mind trying to avoid the carnage we all witness on a daily basis. And don’t get me wrong, I hold zero responsibility on Russia! Who did what he had to do in the face of the existential threat! Russia has supported for over a decade the existential threat of missiles in Poland and Romania that the US did not accept in Cuba! And a lot of this has to do with the US dominating all global media platforms.
The people of Ukraine themselves should have done much more to prevent this war. At least go out into the street to protest against your Govt! One of the biggest lies we are told is that the majority of Ukrainian people before Euromaidan wanted to join NATO! It is fake and attached NATO document. On page 32:
https://www.nato-pa.int/document/2011-172-cdsdg-11-e-rev1-ukraine-malan-report
And even after Euromaidan polls in Kiev’s Independent – a thoroughly pro-Maidan newspaper – showed that more than 50% did not agree with Euromaidan! But the US has over 50 years of practice overthrowing Govts and shaping perceptions! It’s almost impossible to beat them in this area! In short, and so that there is no doubt between the two of us, this war was totally provoked by the US! To disconnect Europe from Russia, overthrow the Govt in Moscow and go back to stealing Russia’s resources with a CIA puppet like Navalny. Like Guaidó in Venezuela.
And today’s ICC decision just proves the huge defeat of the US in this war! At all levels! Desperate to open another front in Georgia! Shameful decision that Russia already knew yesterday! Even for Putin’s statements reminding the Ukrainian troops to prepare the final attack on Donbass for which Russia acted and very well art. 51 to prevent the attack. A shameful decision by the ICC that could also turn against the sorcerer like economic sanctions and make many people think of the Yugoslavia Judgment. In fact the first war against Russia after the cold war! And I as a European regret the shameful role of the EU even more!
There are also those who believe that a Khinzal 3 days ago killed 40 NATO officers and they are completely desperate! If it happened, I just want to say that they deserved it since 1949! And I only regret that a monster like Victoria Nuland, responsible for all the deaths in Ukraine, was not also with the NATO officials!
p.s. All the best to Greta. Which, to be honest, I had been thinking that I was also pointing some responsibility to Russia in this conflict. Good thing not!
In the Black Sea in 2014, wasn’t the USS Cook “extinguished” by an SU 24? Who flew over it several times a few meters, without the ship being able to do anything. When the Russian aircraft began the approach phase, this electronic warfare device would have neutralized all radars, control circuits, information transmission systems, etc. boarded the US destroyer. In other words, the all-powerful Aegis system, now incorporated – or in the process of being installed – in the defense systems of the most modern NATO ships, was simply disconnected like a TV set that is turned off with a remote control. https://www.voltairenet.org/article185324.html
It did not “neutralize” its systems. It did jammed most of the frequencies used by those systems making it impossible to use them in a proper way. All they saw was a bunch of garbage on their screens. They still could do something against the Russians. They just needed to do it old style, manually, but I guess they don’t have that anymore on their ships.
The Russians had showed the US back then, they were able to destroy them without being in real danger themselves, if they wanted to. That has in fact spooked the US.
Jean-Pierre … Here are two videos that explain the situation in 2014
https://youtu.be/ZuL6zF2c2BQ
https://youtu.be/8s4sKAMgYsU?list=PLEpr4aa9rk9pLnFwJtq2gsqSVx9WdrxHD
Impressive.
Look! Look! The emperor has no clothes!
Two interesting videos. Merci à vous .
pas de quoi. mon ami.
I see all of this as preliminary stuff typical of cold war techniques and mostly to serve as a warning. However, should the US do something particularly stupid then this all moves from an SMO to declared war maybe only against Ukraine in the beginning. During WWII before the US officially declared war we sent convoys of supplies to Britain and all were openly attacked by Germany. I am actually surprised this hasn’t happened already but it is only because of Russian restraint. The US would have started sinking Russian ships if the situation was reversed. Should the US enter Ukraine officially (they are already there) then all bets are off. At minimum American assets will be attacked with conventional weapons including every potential runway that will be cratered, all US shipping (particularly military transports), the yards in Poland, and probably all LNG tankers. Meanwhile, salvos would be delivered to the Continental US taking out all military bases there and especially the nuclear weapons silos. There is some speculation that the Poseidon drones are in fact to be used to shadow US SBLM submarines when they leave port and take them out should we escalate to a nuclear conflict. This all would result in the US being undefended completely and also having no nuclear weapons systems should they be decapitated early. I am just gaming it out as to how I would go about removing the nuclear option from the US and then nail the country at every military level, especially in Europe, making it impossible to support any military operations anywhere. This is not including any associate actions from allies of Russia such as Iran and China. The US has written too many checks it can’t cash and its hubris and incapability to be trusted at a diplomatic level leave only one solution, to destroy its capabilities to sow havoc anywhere. The US simply must be removed from any capability to mount any armed conflicts permanently in order for the world to have any possibility of peace.
My current thinking is that it is Russia’s plan to “help” the US commit economic suicide which is why I believe the Ukraine war is moving so slowly. It forces a very impatient US government to accelerate its insanity and its own demise. The US debt is a massive problem and a complete lack of confidence in the dollar is causing a slow walk de-dollarization of the world which will result in a default of the US economy. The question is in what order things will progress and what the dying empire will do in its death throes. This is the reason I believe Russia has developed a plan to counter US nuclear aggression. I am certain Russia is fully convinced the US will go nuclear early and needs to take that option out of their hands completely and as early as possible. So far, things are still more or less calm but once Bakhut falls and the Slovansk, and Kramatorsk are captured I believe the US will act.
The incident with the US sub in the China sea (crashing into a seamount on a mapping missions while mapping with sonars, really!), suggests an orbital remote sensing capacity to track subs in waters 100+ m deep. Penicilin also demonstrates significant passive acoustic technology – likely available to Poseidon – thanks for the missing piece of the puzzle WRT the triad.
Alfred McCoy outlined a similar (future) scenario versus China (but China doesn’t have Poseidon), re, Thucydides trap.
“The US simply must be removed from any capability to mount any armed conflicts permanently in order for the world to have any possibility of peace.”
While I totally agree, I don’t think it is possible. If you don’t remove them completely, they just become guerilla warfare, and will tell stories of the golden ages, ruined by Russia and China to incite hatred. If you do a good job, they call it a genocide. Many people may hate them, but there is no way to remove their capabilities to armed conflicts. Its hard to convince them that white supremacy is not a good idea. And given their wokeness they won’t listen to it.
“So far, things are still more or less calm but once Bakhut falls and the Slovansk, and Kramatorsk are captured I believe the US will act.”
I disagree that US will act. It has never act in any way that could bring US a real existential threat, which is why the people cannot comprehend the feeling of being really pushed in a corner. “Volunteers” may join in the war, but not official military. Am more concerned whether they will start giving funny weapons to Ukraine to fire.
Guns -> Tanks -> F16s -> Nukes
Of course, they will say that it was developed by a group of 6 Ukrainian scientists who are geniuses and made a nuke that is very similar to the technology used by US probably using chips from a washing machine. Who wouldn’t believe in the capabilities of the Ukrainians? Whoever doesn’t must be a Putin dog!
Russian Su-30SM fighter attacks NATO’s F-35 over Black Sea
09.12.2021 17:16
INCIDENTS
During another NATO provocation that was staged near the Russian borders, the Su-30SM fighter carried out the first recorded attack on a NATO F-35 fighter. The Russian fighter used the Khibiny airborne complex for the manoeuvre.
The pilot of the F-35 fighter later noted that it was the first time he had to confront a Russian Su-30SM fighter aircraft, Avia.pro reports.
When the F-35 fighter covertly attempted to approach Russia’s western borders, a Russian Su-30SM fighter jet appeared next to the NATO aircraft all of a sudden. After several attempts to drive the fifth-generation aircraft away from the Russian borders, the Su-30SM unexpectedly used the Khibiny onboard complex against the F-35 (the Khibiny is a standard non-lethal weapon of the Russian fighter). This led to a partial loss of control over the NATO aircraft.
The incident did not end with the use of the weapon. Having lost control over the F-35, the pilot of the Russian aircraft began to take dangerous actions against the NATO fighter.
The incident ended as quickly as it started – the Russian fighter jet returned to the airbase, and the NATO fighter was forced to return to the airbase in Estonia.
Noteworthy, after the incident, the Alliance countries stopped using fifth-generation fighters near the Russian borders, not to provoke the Russian Aerospace Forces to a tougher action.
Author`s name Editorial Team
Editor Dmitry Sudakov
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/149835-su_30_f_35/
One should not take the comments of Senator Graham too seriously. He’s been distraught since the passing of Senator McCain, his friend and mentor. Old Lindsey and John were quite the couple, gallivanting around the globe leaving a wake of caranage and human misery. And then, those long lonely nights far away from home where each would turn to the other for comfort and closeness. Nope Lindsey has not been the same since then.
I can only admire how inclusive the federal states is to let emotionally challenged people seat in the congress. 🙂
I’m not even sarcastic … or just a tiny bit 🙂 .
Lady Lindsay Shrieks: “Intentionally attacking a Russian aircraft in neutral airspace is not just a crime under international law, but also an open declaration of war on the largest nuclear power”
Leaving aside the fact – and it is a fact – that the Russian Federation has more nukes than the USA does, Lady Lindsay knows better because he is a lawyer and did serve in the US military as a JAG.
He must know that in an armed conflict the rules regarding the air above and the sea around an area of conflict is governed by International Humanitarian Law a.k.a. The Laws of War.
As such his argument is specious, since it relates to the laws that govern air traffic and sea passage IN TIMES OF PEACE.
There is no question – none whatsover – that the Black Sea and the air space above it is a part of this armed conflict. All you need to do is refresh your memory regarding the fate of the Moskva to understand that.
As such this air space can not be regarded as “neutral” while this armed conflict is raging.
Because – du’oh! – it isn’t “neutral”, it is a theatre of battle.
Two belligerents are duking it out in the territory of Ukraine, and in the waters of the Black Sea, and in the sky above both.
EITHER belligerent is perfectly entitled under those conditions to declare a no-fly-zone in that theatre of conflict, and to declare a blockade of each other’s ports FOR THE DURATION OF THAT ARMED CONFLICT.
Lady Lindsay is an idiot. A certifiable dimwit. A clown blustering his way around the ring while driving his dinky little clown car and honking his ridiculous horn for attention.
The only party that is acting in violation of International Humanitarian Law is the party that *claims* it isn’t involved in the armed conflict but *nonetheless* insists on flying its warplanes into that theatre of combat as a direct challenge to the military authority of one of the belligerents.
Lindsay, m’lady, if the USAF insists on doing that then the Russians are ENTITLED to down that warplane, and Washington has absolutely no legal standing to whimper a limp-wristed complaint about it.
Larry is correct: Washington is infested with children. With small-brained nincompoops.
The Russians want to get their hands on American “high tech” weaponry not to reverse engineer as much as to gauge how far BEHIND the U.S. is.
Well, who’d thunk it. The Russians really did piss on the drone. This is showing-off, virtuoso stuff now.
Here the video from the Pentagon in a Russian article
https://www.vesti.ru/article/3252476
The Pentagon has released the latest footage from an MQ-9 Reaper reconnaissance drone that crashed into neutral waters in the Black Sea.
The footage shows how a Russian Su-27 fighter jet dumps fuel while approaching an American UAV. During the second approach, several propeller blades of the drone, according to experts, were damaged, and he himself lost altitude and collapsed into the water. Reaper is currently at a depth of about one and a half kilometers.
The controversial case occurred on the morning of March 14, with the Russian Defense Ministry insisting that a drone with transponders turned off was moving towards Crimea and violated the borders of the area of the temporary regime for the use of airspace over the Black Sea. The military department noted that “due to sharp maneuvering, the MQ-9 went into uncontrolled flight with a loss of altitude and fell into the water,” and Russian fighters did not come into contact with it and did not use weapons.
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My guess is that the second gulf of fuel blinded the Reaper and choked the engine, while at the same time the strong electronic jamming from very close distance by the Russian jets caused all systems to freeze analogue to the reports of how drones are being jammed by electronic guns carried by soldiers.
The US has released the video from the drone that they lost yesterday. It can be seen that the Russian flanker was approaching the drone while releasing fuel. During the second approach it got very close to the drone and it seems it hit the rotor. After a glitch in the video one can see that one wing of the rotor is bend.
This does not mean the US is right doing those flights. They are in fact already party to the conflict by doing it, even thou they deny it verbally. I guess this is the king of message they will understand now, not to get involved if they say they don’t want to be part of the ongoing conflict.
This is WW3 already. We all now it or at least have a feeling about it. This is just another stage reached. Russia is not bluffing, it will burn Europe and the US if they try something very, very stupid.
That’s not right. A bent screw is just a timing error. Look closely at the spinning propellers of airplanes in any video. They all seem to be crooked. Besides, the MQ-9 propeller is made of carbon fiber. It doesn’t bend, it breaks immediately.
The MQ-9 propeller blades are not crooked. Just watch the clip again. Couldn’t find any info about the blades being made of carbon fiber. They have to withstand crashes with birds. I doubt they would use carbon fiber. To my knowledge this stuff crushes too easy when hitting stuff.
There is no need for Russia to work with the Mexican drug cartels. Our leaders aren’t interested in protecting our nation from invasion. More cheap labor to exploit and more under aged Lolitas for the DC pedophiles. Joe Biden, the perfect poster child for our precious kakistocracy.
Now that we’ve seen the video of the passes and the damaged prop on the drone, will we update this article Larry?!
Look at the video closely, especially when it shows the prop of the drone.
First shot show yellow lines on the prop.
Second shot show no yellow lines on the damaged prop.
DOD deep fake video
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1636307410682884097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1636307410682884097%7Ctwgr%5E6017e13d100fcdaf00051e08dc47deee0a934da0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fmilitary%2Fwatch-russian-fighter-jet-dumps-fuel-us-reaper-drone
I am surprised that Ned Price or Austin did not comment on one revolting aspect of this brutal and unprovoked (of course) Russian attack on our aircraft, namely the crass vulgarity of dumping fuel on it from above, a symbolic, insulting act suggesting micturition.
Instead, with the restraint that always characterizes our official statements about Russia, they just called it “unprofessional.”
They released a video showing the gross act of fuel dumping. It made me cringe with embarrassment and exclaim, ” Where’s the Coanda effect when you need it”
Russia has committed an act of toxic masculinity!
Excellent observation
You can’t just assume gender of a fighter jet. Maybe it identifies as attack helicopter.
Another click on the ratchet to WW III.
From the article, “One possible explanation, the Russians used some kind of electronic weapon system that disabled the drone and caused it to crash. Russia does not want to release any footage that would show the drone being disabled.”
The Russians used EW as they did with the USS Donald Cook as was plainly admitted and explained by this Russian English video. After watching the video we can deduce what happened to the drone.
https://youtu.be/ZuL6zF2c2BQ
Here are a couple of short videos shot by sailors on the USS Donald Cook of the Russian jets buzzing the ship.
https://youtu.be/CftHVYALiUc
https://youtu.be/ylONaw4ODuk
The video below posits that the Russians have figured out a way to disable the mighty Aegis system.
https://youtu.be/5eGwlcz545Q
Another video “…turning of the Aegis system as if with a TV remote control ”
https://youtu.be/8s4sKAMgYsU?list=PLEpr4aa9rk9pLnFwJtq2gsqSVx9WdrxHD
The situation appears to be the same with the drone. The drone was captured in a pre-planned operation.
Could it be that the USS Donald Cook caused the US to strengthen the Aegis to where it thought it invulnerable only to be surprised that the Russians can still turn it off.
Footage of the Clown-World-style collision:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGtZOLJhyKM
Emphasis on the Clown World bit, because, well just watch.
https://sputniknews.com/20230316/ex-pentagon-analyst-reaper-could-be-sent-by-us-to-assist-with-combat-ops-against-russia-1108453125.html
Ex-Pentagon Analyst: Reaper Could be Sent by US to Assist with Combat Ops Against Russia
The MQ-9 Reaper drone’s recovery will be challenging as it sank to a significant depth in the Black Sea, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley has admitted at a Pentagon briefing as the US and Russia both race to retrieve the wreckage.
“The evidence on exactly what happened will be forthcoming, and if this drone is able to be retrieved from the water, we will know what it was actually carrying and its transponder setting,” retired US Air Force Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, a former analyst for the US Department of Defense, told Sputnik.
“We have already see that the US ‘explained’ the incident in the media first, with an attempt to deny that it is related to its Ukraine war effort, and with a curious pro-environment message – as if war and militaries are not already well-known to be environmental destroyers and polluters,” the military expert continued.
On Tuesday, the airspace control of the Russian Aerospace Forces recorded the flight of the US unmanned aerial vehicle MQ-9 Reaper over the Black Sea in the region of the Crimean peninsula.
The drone was flying with its transponders turned off and in the direction of the Russian border. To identify the intruder, Russian fighter jets rushed to the area. The Russian Ministry of Defense clarified that, contrary to US and European Command (EUCOM) claims, the Russian aircraft did not strike the MQ-9, with the latter going into uncontrolled flight with a loss of altitude in the aftermath of a sharp maneuver.
The drone sank in the Black Sea as deep as 1,219 to 1,524 meters (4,000 to 5,000 feet), Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley told the press on Wednesday. US press quoted the Pentagon official as saying that it remotely erased sensitive software from the MQ-9 Reaper drone. For his part, Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of the Russian Security Council, said the Russian military hopes to retrieve the unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). “The Americans keep saying that they are not participating in hostilities. This is yet another confirmation that they are directly involved in these events,” he said, referring to the Russo-Ukrainian conflict.
Reaper: US Air Force Offensive Strike Drone
Earlier, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby asserted to the press that the US only sends intelligence drones for its Black Sea patrols. However, international observers wonder why the Pentagon did not send, for instance, the RQ-4 Global Hawk, a high-altitude, remotely-piloted surveillance aircraft, to the Black Sea coast – opting instead to dispatch the US Air Force’s primary offensive strike drone.
As per the Pentagon’s fact sheet, the Global Hawk provides persistent near-real-time coverage using imagery intelligence (IMINT), signals intelligence (SIGINT) and moving target indicator (MTI) sensors.
Reapers can perform intelligence gathering and surveillance tasks, however, it’s a combat weapon primarily, capable of carrying a maximum load of 3,000 pounds (1,400 kg), having a maximum ceiling of 50,000 feet (15.2 km), and an endurance of around 30 hours. The MQ-9 can employ up to eight laser-guided missiles or Hellfire air-to-ground missiles and was designed in response to the US Department of Defense directive to support initiatives of overseas contingency operations. It is not clear what arms were carried by the US drone which crashed in the Black Sea on Tuesday.
“I don’t believe anything the Pentagon or National Security Council, or any government, says publicly, until and unless it is accompanied by some kind of evidence,” said Kwiatkowski. “A drone like the Reaper, with an anti-ground missile, depending on payload, could be used to assist with combat operations against Russia, or to cause damage to a Russian asset in a way that could be subsequently denied by the US.”
“According to the US military, the Reaper drone is suitable for intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, close air support, combat search and rescue, precision strike, buddy-laser, convoy/raid overwatch, route clearance, target development, and terminal air guidance. Any and all of these functions aid combat operations,” she continued.
‘Risk Seems to Be Increasing’
“The US has used ships, subs, drones and other aircraft for years in the Black Sea, in order to exercise it’s ‘right’ to access international waters and as part of NATO’s long mission of anti-Russian operations, under the guise of Cold War-era containment,” the former Pentagon analyst said.
“The use of the MQ-9 Reapers off a coastline (capable of carrying Hellfire AGM missile, among other armaments) with or without transponders on would be concerning to any country. The Biden admin is likely attempting to probe Russian air defense and measure response and reaction of the Russian Air Force, as well as gather other intelligence, even as the conflict seems to be approaching a stalemate,” Kwiatkowski suggested.
While the US is trying to deny that the deployment of the US combat drone in the Black Sea region is unrelated to its Ukraine proxy war effort, the truth is likely to come out and may further propel the non-aligned world’s efforts to bring a ceasefire and ultimately peace to Ukraine, according to the US Air Force veteran.
Some American lawmakers have already raised the alarm over the Black Sea incident: GOP Representative Matt Gaetz characterized the event as showing “the treacherous reality of [the US] involvement” in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
“It is impossible to ignore the dire risk of total war with Russia as we teeter on the precipice of direct conflict. I am once again calling on Joe Biden to end our involvement in this war before the counting of lost dollars in this conflict becomes the counting of dead Americans in Ukraine,” Gaetz tweeted on March 14.
But that is not all: according to Kwiatkowski, US NATO allies are already concerned with Washington’s conduct in the wake of the Nord Stream sabotage attack and Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh’s allegations that the US and Norway had a hand in it.
“The US leadership continues to publicly oppose any talks of peace, and is reeling from the generally weak state of the Ukrainian military in spite of nearly $100 billion in US aid and promises in a little over a year (…) That world is itself tired of being lectured to by the US, and suffering the trade effects of Washington’s proxy war in Ukraine. Because of this, we may be looking at a danger zone of US policy. Any accident or event that occurs in the coming months may be used by the US government to more aggressively justify its investment into Ukraine since before 2014,” the military expert suggested.
On the other hand, she does not rule out that a “split between Pentagon and political operatives in DC along the lines of strategy may emerge that will allow the US to entertain some sort of peaceful end to the Ukraine situation.”
“Overall, risk seems to be increasing – but sometimes more risk is a wake-up call for sane leadership to assert itself throughout NATO and the US,” Kwiatkowski concluded.
All this noise over a drone is ridiculous and scary. During the Cold War both countries regularly carried out this sort of surveillance with manned reconnaissance aircraft. Given the state of electronics in those days, they were often modified bombers and the like with crews of up to ten or eleven men sometimes. And there were screw ups and deliberate shoot downs by both side with complete loss of all crewmen. But generally, both sides kept it quiet and some of those missions and losses remain classified to this day. They kept it quiet because generally the plane was somewhere it legally shouldn’t be and neither side wanted to create an incident that would needlessly inflame their populations, force political/military responses, and escalate tensions.
In short both sides fucked around and found out fairly regularly during the Cold War but kept it quiet because neither side actually wanted a war. This is a drone. Not a single crewman was lost. It was doing risky things in a war zone. It getting downed was expected. The only reason one would make a big deal about it is if one was actively looking for a reason to escalate. That’s the scary part.
We are not being led by competent and sane adults. They are children who think they can do as they please without consequences. At this point, there is no realistic endgame. Putin isn’t going to be overthrown. Russia isn’t going to be beaten in Ukraine by Ukrainian forces. Direct intervention by the US or NATO will surely result in escalation that could threaten our very existence. And yet, they keep on.
There simply has to be some pushback in the Pentagon and certain circles against this insanity. I think it is more likely that Biden is pushed out than Putin. At some point someone surely will stop this shit.
About time Russia clean up the environment
Guess TOP GUN was replaced by TOP FUEL. lol
Here is the video from the BBC it shows that the camera must have been on the prop because on impact the camera stopped. It must be fact it’s the British Bullshit Cooperation https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
Here is said video.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/military-releases-footage-russian-jet-downs-us-drone
No collision is shown. Where’s the rest of the video?
Where are the yellow stripes on the damaged prop. They were there after the first pass.
Did the Russians remove the yellow paint too?
Idk….wondered that myself? After seeing this I think the fuel was dumped to mess with the cam. Notice the fist pass didn’t knock it out.
WAIT, DID THE RUSSIANS KNOW THAT?????….That the cam didn’t go dark???
Very STRANGE Boys…..then next time around the cam did blank for a short time. When sight restored it had a bent propellor…….WTF????
HOW DO YOU EXPALIN THAT?? ……WHOA 😀
If you look again at both vids you will see that the sun is behind you in the first, perfect for photography, in the second it is right in the camera, look at the detail on the bottom of the fighter and the color of the fuel in the first and then look at the second, nothing visible on the fighter and the fuel blackens where it is concentrated and blocks the light, that’s why you can’t see the stripes. Take your camera and try to shoot into the sun and see if you see any colors or details on objects in front of you. You do see a video glitch from the jetwash impact in the first, the glitch in the second was massive and would most likely be due to impact, that plane was damn close. I’m not swearing on any of it, Martyanov says its located at 800+ feet and will be pulled up soon, the prop should be intact. There was a good vid on youtube where a guy geolocated the land mass in the first vid putting it where the Russians said, there wouldn’t be any land mass if it were where we said. So we lied about that (surprise) and the russians didn’t but maybe they did about the impact although I don’t see why except for a little egg on the pilots face.
Send Senator Graham on a mission over the Black Sea… in a biplane.
Russia ran out of missiles, and shovels, and is now spraying enemy with jet fuel. Western experts estimate that Russia will run out of jet fuel in a week.
Monkey on the two Black Sea drones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pEmPMEgbO0
FSB building blown up in Rostov on Don, RU….. a federal security office:
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/explosion-at-fsb-building-in-rostov-on-don-russia
Way too much analysis has been put into this. Just an easy way to get the bank failures out of the news cycle by someone with political smarts.
Someone in the Biden administration ordered someone in the military to create an incident. Turning off the transponder is the giveaway.
Russia responded with measure. No shoot down, just splash it using airflow. So its not really kinetic, its nature.
The military goes into overdrive to cover its ass with oversight who don’t fully appreciate how things work.
Been going on since the Bay of Pigs, probably longer.
Some are shooting down baloons while some take down fancy baloons….
It seems to me that ordinary people, no matter where they are in areas of the world under great stress, are in “desperation.” Most places cannot compare to Ukraine, where the next minute or seconds could bring destruction of a mortar shell . These situations of stress and desperation are the result of people in power and control who care nothing for peace and contentment. The fates of individuals are under the heavy hands of “leaders” who are out of control. How ironic it is that in a country which is supposed to be a benevolent republic, responding to the public good, that evil has seized control. Elected officials have realized their dreams of looting the public treasury in their own damnable interests, the people be damned.
Russia has a Naval blockade over the drone now, they have a recovery mini sub down at the drone which is at 900m. They may have already recovered it, by now this was the morning.
Use google translate Greek news site.
https://warnews247.gr/rosiko-ypovrychio-robot-entopise-to-amerikaniko-drone-mq-9-reaper-se-vathos-900-metron-megali-kinitopoiisi-tou-rosikou-stolou/
FWIW:
No more red lines, take ’em down, by direct order of Def. Min Shoigu…
https://www.stalkerzone.org/the-rules-have-changed/
If the fly-by footage that was put on Telegram is real, the RQ9 was fitted with a block-2 ‘Gorgon Stare’ pod.
That’s not something the US wants falling into the hands of an adversary. Last time something like that happened was in 2011, when the Iranians hacked a ‘Sentinel’/’Wraith’ (RQ-170) and got it to land in Iran. That ‘technology transfer’ (kek) helped the Iranians develop their drone capability: it should surprise exactly nobody, that the Shahed-class drones – including the much-smaller ‘kamikaze’ “Murder-Dorito” – are ‘flying wing’.
It took less than 5 years for Iran to go from the capture of the ‘Wraith’ to deployment of the Shahed-171 ‘Simorgh’ and Shahed-191 ‘Saegheh-2’; two years after that they debuted the much smaller loitering/kamikaze Shahed 136, which is known as the ‘Geran’ when produced under licence in Russia.
5 years: if it was a US defence procurement program, the senior cadre of the developer wouldn’t even have finished selecting the kitchen benchtops for their new mansion – let alone have produced anything.
The US has long been VERY chary about preventing others from getting hold of their mil-tech: that’s the key difference between the US-mil and ‘export’ versions of everything bigger than a squad weapon.
One wonders what happened to the yellow bands of the propeller but there is an indisputable fact that betrays the coarse manipulation of the video : given the direction of rotation of the propeller, the blade is deformed in the wrong way.
One wonders what happened to the yellow bands of the propeller but there is an indisputable fact that betrays the coarse manipulation of the video : given the direction of rotation of the propeller, the blade is deformed in the wrong way.
What’s up with Austin? Look at his eyes. It looks like he’s been partying with Hunter Biden.
I’ll just leave this here:
https://odysee.com/@Che_Guevara:f/VID_20230319_182609_127:1
Opa!
https://cdn.locals.com/images/chat/originals/2106932/2106932_iwq2dcjcoj3imnv.jpeg
Real story…For whatever reason, by design or accident, that US drone got way too close to Crimea. As per usual the RuAF went up to intercept and waive it off. But as trained aviators RuAF pilots spotted something very interesting. The transponder pod underslung on the US drone was the housing for one of the US’ most advanced EW surveillance package suites. This was an opportunity not to be missed. Step one, bring it down without using live fire, step two, see if can retrieve it and get free access to contents of that EW pod. That is what happened.