The horror surrounding the massacre of 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas just got worse with confirmed information that the police waited more than forty minutes before entering the school and killing the 18 year old murderer. One mother who drove to the school from 40 miles away, arrived and was detained and handcuffed for insisting on going inside to rescue her two children. She was then unhandcuffed and moved away from the crowd, jumped the fence and ran inside the school and retrieved her two kids.
This event is more than a black eye for the police. There are three possible explanations–cowardice, incompetence or slaves to doctrine. I think the explanation is “slaves to doctrine” coupled with incompetence. In an ideal world, police confronted with an active shooter will call immediately on a SWAT team. There was no SWAT team in Uvalde, Texas. Instead of improvising and conducting their own assault, the police chose to sit back and wait. Inexcusable.
This is not Monday morning quarterbacking. Police are supposed to be trained in crisis response. Yes, having a SWAT team and/or hostage negotiator is the preferred option. But when SWAT is not available the police have a responsibility to put their lives at risk to stop the shooter and save the children and faculty. That is why they carry pistols. It appears none of the police on scene had a long gun (i.e. an AR-15 or M-4). I doubt that is true. Given the number of local police, Department of Public Security and Border Patrol officers at the seen, at least one of them had a long gun in the trunk of their vehicle.
The School Resource Officer (SRO) on scene failed to stop the shooter and was wounded as the killer entered the school. I am curious to know whether or not this SRO was trained in defensive and tactical shooting. Going to a gun range and shooting at paper targets while standing behind a shooting bench is a waste of time and ammunition in preparing for this type of situation. A SRO must be trained to draw from a holster while under stress and accurately hit a target ten yards away in less than three seconds. The training also should include learning how to move while shooting and landing accurate shots. The SRO also must know how to identify and use cover (i.e, a wall or column or barrier that can stop a bullet). A properly trained SRO should be required to shoot accurately from cover as part of the qualification course of fire.
This kind of training is something every SRO should do at least once a month. If you wait to learn this skills until the first shots are fired, you are likely to wind up wounded or dead. The reality is that the majority of SROs in the country probably have had no such training.
I realize Uvalde is a small town and probably did not allocate much funding to training police much less School Resource Officers. Let me remind you what a trained security officer can do. This incident took place at White Settlement, Texas in December 2019. A guy showed up at a local church and started shooting. Note that barely three seconds pass between the killer’s first shot and the return fire by the security guard at the back of the church. If you focus on the left side of the clip you will see the security guard draw and fire. One shot to the head of the assailant ended the threat.
Eric Newhill says
Same thing happened at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, where a sheriff’s deputy hid outside waiting for overwhelming backup while students were being shot.
I think there is too much LEO doctrine and policy that is designed to first and foremost protect the safety – both physical and legal – of the LEOs and strict adherence to it kicks in during a crisis of this nature. When the stuff hits the fan, you react exactly as, and to the extent, you trained.
Policies and lack of long guns be damned. I’d like to think I’d run in the school and do whatever I could with whatever I had. I know the counter arguments. I just don’t accept them as outweighing the immediate need to intervene and stop the killing.
The policies of Superintendent Runcie and the school system in general was to send violent kids to ‘counceling’ of various kinds and recyle them right back into the school. Disagreeing with that policy would get you fired. Years of that set the stage for what happened. The cop being a coward was just icing on the cake. The union made sure he got his job and retirement back too. Runcie walked away with 3/4 of a million.
Harry Hobbes says
Your point regarding training is well taken. Note that in the video, in all the commotion, the backup security personnel covered many by-standers (and each other) with their pistols, as they advanced toward the threat. And although the shooter was down and not in anyone’s sight picture (except the original defender), pistols were up and covering the innocent.
As laudable as defense of innocence is, this was not good. Training required.
The “standard of performance” is a controlled pair delivered to center-of-mass (at 7.5 yards), presenting the piece from the holster, all within 1.5 seconds. (Reference Gunsite Academy General Pistol Course 250. The General Pistol Course is the entry, or basic course for Joe Citizen; advanced work proceeds from there.)
This is basic defense doctrine.
Should the controlled pair fail to stop the attack, then the defender executes the “Failure to Stop” action , which is a single, aimed shot to the head, which by definition requires more time and skill. (Therein, the defender just went for the follow-up first.)
Regarding law enforcement “waiting” (for whatever), the lesson of Columbine was to “not wait, but get in there with what you got.” Perhaps someone did not get the memo.
Larry Johnson says
Thanks Harry. You obviously know what you are writing about. Appreciate your insights. You help make the readers smarter.
Sam McGowan says
Larry, as you know, or I think you know, I live in Texas. Uvalde is about 80 miles west of San Antonio in what is essentially ranch land. It sits on US 90, which goes on to Del Rio then on into the Big Bend. I’ve been there or driven through there numerous times. My wife and I would stop there at the local HEB grocery store to buy sandwich fixings before going to a camp on the Fio River north of the town, which is basically in the desert. I’ve flown into Uvalde Airport, which used to be an Army Air Forces base where navigator-bombardiers were trained, including the black airmen who were later with the B-25 group at Freeman Field, Indiana and staged a race riot. Everytime I think of Uvalde, I think of the sign on the highway that read something like “This is our town, don’t drive through it like a bat out of hell.”
Like everyone else, I am saddened by the shooting, just as I was saddened by the shooting a few miles from me at Sante Fe, Texas a few years ago. (That one was caused by a teenage girl who humiliated the boy in class. She knew he was going to kill her. He did, along with several of their classmates.) I don’t know exactly what happened at Uvalde except that an apparently enraged teenager went into the school and murdered 19 kids and two teachers. There have been conflicting reports of what happened. One account from the state says that most of the shooting took place in the first five minutes, which means there’s not a damn thing police could have done. Originally, he was supposed to have wounded the school cop but that has since been discounted. As for the officers waiting an hour to enter the school, that doesn’t appear to be true. It was an hour before a Border Patrolman finally got into the locked room and shot the kid but police had been doing other things in the meantime, such as getting kids out of other classrooms. There seems to have been negotiating going on with the gunman, who had locked the classroom door behind him. He was taking shots at the police.
In short, we don’t really know at this point what went on. Uvalde is a small town and I doubt if there are a dozen cops on the police force. I have no idea how many are with the county sheriff’s department but Uvalde County is a big one. Apparently, there are a lot of Border Patrol officers living in the community and many of them rushed to the school even though they were off duty. I’ve seen a number as high as 80 CBP agents at the school.
I understand about the church. After the church shooting a few years ago, Texas churches started training parishoners to carry pistols. We have armed men at every service at my church. A church and a school are different; churches have large auditoriums while schools are divided into classrooms. I’m all for arming teachers. My wife is a teacher and I bought her a 9 MM. She has yet to even shoot it. By the way, two of my wife’s former teacher friends and associates were murdered earlier this year in San Antonio by their adopted son, who was in college. He apparently had psychological issues but somehow had an AR-15 or something similar. When his parents showed up in attempt to help him, he mowed them down. My wife has had a hard time dealing with it.
As I assume you know, the media NEVER, and I mean NEVER, gets anything right in their initial reporting and usually never after that. The internet is even worse. There are accounts going around that have nothing to do with the reality of the event. In my opinion, the best thing to do is wait until all the facts are known before passing judgement.
Sam McGowan says
I said an hour – I believe the state is saying it was 40 minutes to an hour.
Larry Johnson says
Great comment thanks. On the point of the police delay there is no doubt. What I wrote about the mother is true. Tucker Carlson did a great piece on it tonight. I’ll try to get it posted.
Sam McGowan says
I read the account of the mother who claims she went in and got her kids after police had initially handcuffed her to keep her from going inside. She claimed to have come from 40 miles away, which means she didn’t get there until around the time the gunman was killed. I don’t have cable and don’t get FOX so I don’t watch Tucker. There’s going to be a lot in the media about this for some time and most of it is going to wrong.
Larry Johnson says
I understand brother. But the videos posted from families waiting outside show that nothing was done for 40 minutes. The SWAT guys I know say that the lesson of Columbine was get it quick and end the threat. Don’t wait. Still, you’re right that a lot of initial reports may be mistaken. I appreciate your insight.
Eric Newhill says
This article provides new (for me) details that help clarify the situation (a little). The Shooter was barricaded in a classroom and most of the killing was done in that one room. So it was possible for parents and LEOs to enter the building, get children out of the wider environment and yet not be stopping the shooter.
The facts are neither clear enough nor complete enough to do an assessment. It’s starting to look to me like if there was a failure to react properly, it was in the beginning of the incident when the shooter was allegedly taking shots at the school before entering it.
Sam McGowan says
Also, police got into the building while one of the teachers was still alive. They called out asking if anyone needed assistance. One of the teachers called out that she did and Ramos shot her. I would take the accounts of witnesses with a grain of salt. They were outside; they don’t know what was going on in the building, or how many if any police were inside.
Harry Hobbes says
One of the nicest things one may do for their spouse is to take a week’s vacation and train together, as happened here.
Note that the lady wearing hot pink, second row left (next to the local county SWAT Commander, also a “student”), earned the moniker “The Grandmother From Hell” from the instructors. She met that Standard of Performance and graduated the Basic Pistol Course while Hubby graduated the Intermediate Course.
There is one other married couple in the photo.
“after firing shots outside the school for approximately 12 minutes, he entered Robb Elementary armed with a rifle and handgun without encountering any armed resistance. Ramos locked himself inside a classroom, where he killed his victims over the course of an hour, before being killed by a U.S. Border Patrol agent.”
A long gun on site should be mandatory for every SRO. If the above quote is what happened. This guy should have been chased away, dead or disabled before even entering the building. The only person who should have been shot in this incident was the shooter.
A folding stock SBR (short barreled rifle), or a take down AR-15. Easily fits in a light backpack. There’s no reason that an SRO can’t have both a handgun and long gun on them at all times.
You don’t need to have the type of Marine Corp and specops training that I do to be highly effective with these weapons. Particularly an AR, which evens the playing field quickly in these types of incidents.
D.E. Murray says
“after firing shots outside the school for approximately 12 minutes”
Let’s discuss this, because if he had been picked up at that point, none of the rest of the contested timeline would have happened.
The timeline has been changed in the Wiki article to 5 minutes. Current reports now indicate that the SRO was off site and returned before the shooter entered the building. But couldn’t locate the shooter to engage him before he entered the building.
The police were there almost immediately. But the shooter had quickly entered a classroom and was shooting at the police first responders trying to enter. First through an open and then a closed and locked door. Two of whom were lightly injured.
The police could have opened it with a sled hammer or shotgun. But the incident commander ordered them to stand down while victims were being shot and bleeding to death inside. They ended up opening it after an hour with a key and the officer who killed the shooter got shot in the process.
What actually happened is probably somewhat different. But this is what the open source info supports.
i can understand if one cop with pistol hesitant to enter and confront unknown number of shooters with automatic weapons , but there already a lot of LEO personel around the school why no attempt to enter to looksee or asses the situation inside ?
This is a common pattern we have seen with most of these incidents. The coos “gear up” then hide behind their cars until the shooting stops. The people either running out of ammo or shooting himself.
Cops are tough tough he-men when confronting distraught unarmed parents.
No suelo inmiscuirme en las políticas internas de otros países.
Cada cual pinta su historia como quiere.
Pero debo decir, desde un pequeño pueblo de España a 8300 kilómetros de Texas que la situación estadounidense con respecto a las armas se está volviendo demasiado afilada.
Vuestra historia se está afilando y cuando un cuchillo es demasiado afilado termina dañada su hoja.
Creo que estáis afilando demasiado vuestro cuchillo por cuestiones de “seguridad”.
Esta protección es la pescadilla que se muerde la cola.
Vuestra “mayor inseguridad” crece con vuestra “mayor protección”.
A más de una, más de la otra.
La propaganda os está confundiendo y, sois vosotros mismos los que estáis creando este bucle y los que lo estáis afilando cada vez más.
Un opinión desde el respeto y el amor hacia todos los pueblos del mundo.
Un fuerte abrazo a todos.
Se me ocurre un buen ejemplo para esto.
Pongamos el caso de que dos personas nos encontramos en una habitación.
Nadie externo puede entrar en esa habitación.
En esa habitación debemos de convivir, tenemos lo suficiente para ello.
La pregunta es:
¿Sería más seguro que las dos personas que allí nos encontramos y que debemos vivir una vida juntos fuéramos armados?
Alguien podría insinuar; Depende.
– Depende de como fuera el otro tipo-
Esto es ingenuo.
¿Estás seguro de que por el hecho de que el otro tipo fuera una mala persona estarías más seguro si ambos portarais un arma?
¿Le darías un arma a un loco con el que tienes que convivir para siempre a su lado solo por el hecho de creerte más seguro con la tuya?
No sean viscerales en sus conclusiones.
Piensen en esto con calma.
Tengo 38 años.
Jamás vi un arma. (Solo a los cazadores)
Nunca vi a nadie usarla.
Al menos en mil kilómetros a la redonda de mi casa jamás nadie entró armado a ningún colegio o iglesia en toda mi vida.
Aquí las armas sólo están permitidas para cazadores y tiro deportivo.
Andrea Catalano says
Hi. My impression is that this shooting was (another) false-flag operation in order to justify gun-control laws.
Given that a significant percentage of American teenagers are on pharmaceuticals (SSRIs), was this another licensed drug cartel tragedy as so many have been in the past? SSRIs are know to cause homicidal psychosis and suicidal behaviours in teens.
Its even worse when the “doctors ” give them two, three or even more. The interactions of multiple psychotropic are not even studied.
Its also potentially even worse when the kids stop taking them because they often make them feel worse.
There is an excellent documentary called “Making a Killing” that goes into psychotropic overuse in children and the effects.
I think the larger lesson here is that we cannot rely on the government or the police for our protection.
When they will restrain parents to prevent them from trying to resolve yes their children while sitting on their hands doing nothing it shows quite clearly tells us that government is simply incapable of doing the job we pay them to do.
And what is their answer to all this? It is the same thing it always is, take the guns away from the people who didn’t or would never do it.
The state wants to surveil our every move, track our travel, read our internet posts yet this killer has been posting pictures and making threats and nothing was done.
Now they claim the proper response is to take away MY guns?
The other disappointment is the parents literally begging the police to go in, while the fat slobs are in their body hiding behind their cars!
Sorry, if that were my children or grandchildren I’ll not be begging anyone. Have we become so weak as a people that we won’t lift a finger save our own children?
Where the hell is my country?
The government has failed in its most basic responsibility and therefore has forfeited all the authority bestowed upon it by the people.
We henceforth owe them nothing, most especially any loyalty or the obedience they insist on demanding from us.
Not really surprising to see how people of a whole country that takes pleasure in blowing up innocent civilians abroad with their stealth technology really live; if you call that living. Think the Ukrainians are dunces. This is what your kids do for fun huh. Nice place. Philly ain’t looking so bad after all….
Cynical Rex says
First, I get that you’re saying security (or military, for that matter) needs to be trained for battlefield conditions: there’s no substitute for competence under stress.
Second, isn’t the issue of availability of arms to the public a greater issue? I do not know what readers here think of Chris Hedges and his articles, some talking about the Christian Right (for example: https://scheerpost.com/2021/03/22/hedges-the-evil-within-us/).
Aren’t private Christian militias, in coordination with sympathetic militarized police (see for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarization_of_police), the most organized revolutionary force now in America? Aren’t they, like the nationalist battalions in Ukraine, the reason why America could become a de-facto dictatorship? The Democrats are as out of touch as the senate of the Roman Republic, and America is just waiting for a modern day Caesar.
Just in case, let me clarify: I’m asking whether it’s more important to have competence in firearms, or the bigger issue is how those firearms will be used politically, especially by the Christian Right?
Final note: One criticism of Hedges article, was that those who are armed and support the Christian Right, are not poor and disenfranchised, but often white, middle-class, who fear being outnumbered by colored people or are worried about their financial future, and blame liberals.
The Christian Right is the threat, is that what you are saying?
“isn’t the issue of availability of arms to the public a greater issue?” — please explain that because the availability or arms to the public is a completely irrelevant factor in mass killings. Can’t get a gun? No problem just run your SUV through a crowd of people.
If the availability of arms to the public was an issue then whole country would be like Chicago- oh I forgot, strict gun control there.
Cynical Rex says
“The Christian Right is the threat, is that what you are saying?”
I am asking whether the Christian Right, or maybe the term Christian nationalism is better, where a fascist govt in the US would arise from. Christian nationalism is a feature of the US armed forces for example (see: https://theanalysis.news/powerful-christian-nationalists-in-military-see-trump-as-vehicle-for-authoritarian-religious-state-mikey-weinstein/).
I understand the US is a diverse country, with many opposing political views, differences based on race, religion, education, wealth, etc. I’m looking at Christian nationalism as a revolutionary force, that under circumstances of extreme stress (for example, economic depression), could enable a fascist govt, not unlike Nazi Germany or what we see in the Ukraine today.
I would not say access to arms is irrelevant: having access to weapons that allow rapid shooting, like automatic or semi-automatic assault rifles is completely relevant. I think it’s fair what you are saying that if a person really wants to do harm, they can use an SUV on a crowd, but that only creates more questions as to why.
The US, and West in general, is a very materialistic, competitive society, and this fact can be isolating and alienating, so it’s not surprising that some people would snap and take out their internalized rage against others.
We know this will happen again and again. Young boys especially are diagnosed (perhaps over-diagnosed) with ADHD disorder from early age and prescribed stimulative drugs that can have an anxiety-inducing effect. Young people are also prescribed powerful drugs for depression. As well, there’s readily-available marijuana. SO, a lot of young, developing brains are exposed to psychoactive drugs and all of the side effects they may cause. It’s no wonder there may be the occasional zombie among them, drugged up – and coupled with other problems in our culture today – devoid of a healthy regard for humankind.
I can hear the TV downstairs which my husband has tuned to CNN. It’s been broadcasting Uvalde 24/7. The exultant MSM seem to relish the story of a white mass murderer and therefore effectively glorify them, helping to assure some other troubled loner with low self esteem will join the ranks eventually.
It’s time to stop diverting resources by promoting gay issues like paying drag queens to read and perform at schools. Seriously though, it really IS time to hire well-trained qualified security guards as suggested. Keep all school doors locked to outsiders (there’s been a silly debate about this on Twitter – apparently some people don’t understand how security doors can function). With all of the usual blathering going on every time this happens, one would think schools and communities would gear up and adequately prepare for these circumstances. Apparently not. Instead, blame is always cast on the Second Amendment and/or insufficient gun laws, as if cultural issues have no bearing on the matter.
Keith Harbaugh says
“as if cultural issues have no bearing on the matter.”
Thank you for this observation!
Cf., as perhaps a side note
also, the apparent absence of a father in the reporting on Ramos’s family background.
SoCal John says
Larry, the fourth possibility is that this is all fake, that no children were killed (even maybe that the ‘killer’ was not killed). The Cabal’s idea is to create fear and ‘need’ for more government, and just faking things, instead of actually killing innocent children, makes it a lot easier for the crisis actors to participate again and again.
Lots of papers, which damning photos, showing this was the case with OJ, Charles Manson, MLK, Unabomber, et al. at http://mileswmathis.com/updates.html
I very much appreciate your credible, logical read of things in The Ukraine. Keep up the great work, sir!
Eric Newhill says
A fifth possibility is that you are fake and trying to discredit Larry’s work and readership by proposing ridiculous ideas here in hopes that, if not fully accepted, at least someone will entertain them so the rest can be smeared with a broad brush of “conspiracy theorists” and “kooks”.
Larry does need to at least attempt to purge the obvious trolls.
SoCal John says
The U.S. government is lying about the progress and staying power of the Ukranian armed forces. The U.S. government is supporting self-avowed Nazis in The Ukraine.
So, what makes you think the U.S. government is a force for good stateside?
I lost all confidence in Big Government, Big Medicine, Big Religion, Big Science, etc. beginning in 2004. It was a freeing experience. It is shocking how much we have been manipulated and for how long.
SoCal John says
Huh? The Federal government has lied to us about everything, forever. San Diego is about to remask school kids for a mild disease that affects hardly any kids, so the rot is down at the lowest level, too.
When you read Wiki pages and look at the photos with an open mind, and an experienced hand points out the illogic and inconsistencies and doctoring on the page, it is an mind-blowing experience.
Look at the photos on pages 19 and 20 and read the associated text. MLK was not assassinated, it was a big photo shoot.
Larry Johnson says
Children were murdered. Facilitated in part by the incompetence of the local and state police. Fortunately, Border Patrol and DEA agents finally told them to fuck off and went in and ended the nightmare.
After reading the artical my first reaction is “funny”. I live in Europe and we dont have armed guards at school and churches. American children are raised at schools with the idea of getting shot. This is exactly what I mean that Americans are paranoid that others want to hurt them. Think about it. Children go to school, seeing armed personal to keep them safe from external enemy. Psycoligical this must have impact on these young children. A school with metal detectors is insane. I can not imaging such a school in my country. It’s a choice, 800 billions on military expenses of (mental) healthcare.
Secon problem are their police afficers. I watched a lot of American footage and see police who are not trained probably and acting out of fear. In my country joining the police is a carreer. In the USA most joint the force for a brief amount of years. We give our police a complete training and this takes years. In the USA many leave the force in a few years. So they don’t invest in training. You can see it on tape, they react really bad on situations, more as being scared with violence and yelling. America is going to spend billions to keep their leading position in te world (including military) but neglect the needs of Americans.
When I went to high school we had open campus and could come and go as we pleased during the lunch hour. Hunting season would see at least a half dozen rifles/shotguns in racks in the back of a pickup in the student lot. (Yes even high schoolers owned vechicles then.) A great deal has changed since, beginning with the left’s emasculation of males in general the push for LBGT+++ (the variety of victim groups keeps multiplying by the day). The outright race hatred being taught via CRT is not new, it’s just public. All that feeds into what is happening.
Since Ferguson there’s be a cresendo of noise from the left running the gamut from ACAB (all cops are bastards) to defund the police. That has been successful in most of the deep blue cities of the Republic, especially in California and particularly in NYC. WIth the corresponding rise in violence. Even Barack was bemoaning the failure of George Floyd being remembered, not as the drug addict ex-con he was, but as a “victim” of a cop who followed the MPD protocol – and got convicted of it too. (Chauvin).
I’m not sure which part of Europe you’re in, but we have local control of police here and the training and skill level is going to vary greatly. We have no desire, other than our lefties, to be Europe West with a national police force keeping everyone in line.
I think the answer to your query in the post title is “All of the Above”
Incompetent cowards hiding behind doctrine.
If the cops were actually accomplices they would have done nothing different than what they did. This is not to suggest they were, merely to point out that who needs accomplices when you have the government.
This event proves yet again that :
1) a “Gun Free Zone” just means you are defenseless.
2) shooting back works
3) the sooner you shoot back the better
4) there are even more eunachs out there than there were a decade ago.
5) the media’s first take is usually wrong (often purposefully so) and the the lack of accurate information is going to allow a great deal of b.s. to take hold.
Train and arm the teachers and staff, then you won’t need a ‘school resource officer’.
End all the “Pride” grooming crap.
Tell the CRT crowd to pound sand.
Send the ‘tranz’ kid to someone other than a scalpel wielding, puberty blocker prescribing clown.
This was truly horrific. Bless those poor children and teachers
I don’t think police comes out well.
Democrats will make this entirety about guns but they would defund police, make police paranoid of doing anything wrong and have sent in the social workers.
There probably is a much greater need for psychological and social workers but it’s not during and after a crime. Then you need competent confident police and security personnel. Unfortunately this case had neither
On guns would it lower crime to ban all guns, quite possibly.
But that creates a situation where the people are defenseless against state and general and undermines the concept of right to bear arms. It also ignores the fact it’s not that hard to get guns illegally.
The U.K. has strict gun laws but kids run around with machetes killing each other at frightening rates. Knife crime rampant.
What needs more attention is why only America has this mass school shootings. Other countries even those where kids can get weapons easily don’t.
All of these shooters have mental health issues which seem to be known by officials and others way before the event. If we had a decent healthcare system in this country, these potential shooters with mental health issues might be identified earlier and given treatment and help, hopefully avoiding them going postal. Same with the drug issue, rehab is better than prison for solving the problem. But we’d rather send $40 billion plus ‘to Ukraine’, or ban guns, always ignoring the root of the problem and the inconvenient solutions. Every person who voted to steal that $40 billion from the American people is a traitor, in my view. Imagine what that $40B could do here at home if applied correctly in the right areas.
A good example is the covid pandemic: we must all be locked down and vaccinated due to the lack of critical care beds in hospitals, yet how many beds were added over the years? Zero. Intensive Care beds are huge money losers so no private entity (or our government apparently) is going to fund more of them. More than likely, there are now fewer beds, as closing unprofitable hospitals (mostly in rural and poor areas) seems to be a thing.
Eric Newhill says
You know, RuPaul Jr turned 18 this year and he’s able to purchase a couple ARs, thousands of rounds of ammo, according to local police, sixty 30 round magazines for the rifles and, I read, a new truck. Where did he get the money? Forget the truck for a moment, we’re talking about $7K to $10K. How could he even find the ammo and mags these days? I’m sure you’ve noticed, it’s not been easy to come by – and certainly not cheap – the past couple of years.
He was known to be a bad person according to male peers in town. He had hurt and killed animals and he was known to go to the park and pick fights he thought he could win. Local peers said he was the bully not the bullied.
Apologies for going off topic. Just it seems to me the string of failures goes back even further than the day the shooter showed up at the school. I think there are more questions that definitely need to be answered.
This video is a law enforcement press release that speaks to the number of rounds fired and where, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5APi1XF5mb0
In my community, a smallish but fast growing ski town, police and EMS train together for these situations. Our police and fire/ems chiefs bring in trainers specific to teaching this task every year. Our utility and chief vehicles carry bags of tourniquets, and a few helmets and vests (as do the police, of course.) EMT’s and paramedic’s go in behind the initial ‘assault’, guarded by a cop or cops, to apply tourniquets as quick as possible, even if the shooter is still active. Obviously the trainers, the training of full time staff and volunteers, and all the gear is very expensive and we are fortunate our community can afford it.
Sooo….when are personal arms in the US going to be put to their ultimate purpose, ie. defend the population from an overbearing state? Is there a date yet? 😂😂😂 It cracks me up every time Americans drag up this argument.
The other thing that I find bizarre is how quickly and with what little encouragement concerned folks bring up the subject of homosexuality, homosexual politics, etc., mostly with the barest of relevance to the topic at hand. It’s obsessive, fellows, you really are a self doubting lot!